Peddlers to be banned from Wrigley Field area?
There is a push by alderman Tom Tunney to create a 2 block radius "no peddling zone". Peddlers aren't allowed on the grounds of Wrigley Field, but many brick and mortar businesses are losing their revenues to the peddlers.
Peddler licenses require peddlers to constantly move, but from my experience, they mostly stand in 1 place with their huge t-shirt sticks. On top of that, in my view at least half of the t-shirts are of an offensive nature (Take it in the Pujols, Ozzie Guillen mows my lawn, Green Bay Packer symbol as a handicapped emblem, etc.) but I'm sure they are the top sellers...
The other peddling issues are the "bucket boys" and other musical/entertainment acts (like the tap dancer on Clark and Cornelia). Many of the businesses and residents have been complaining about these acts. "How would you like someone banging a bucket on your head for 8 hours..." was one quote.
Wondering about people's thoughts, experiences, etc. with peddlers. Do you find them annoying? Should Tunney just enforce the laws making peddlers move or expand the no-peddling zone away from an already crowded Wrigleyville area? Anyone on BCB a peddler and have a viewpoint? Also, where to draw the line? Move the peanut vendors?
Fox News story about this here. The survey is 45% yes, 55% no, but I'm curious to hear from the real Cubs fans on BCB.
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This is pretty easy to decipher
The brick-and-mortar businesses are able to lobby Ald. Tunney. Street vendors are not. “Peddlers” will be banned.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 15, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tough call
if you live there, I can see how it’s annoying
if you come in for the game, it past of the experience
by socalbob on Jul 15, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would love to not be able to hear
the bucket boys playing out on sheffield throughout the entire game while i sat down the first base line. i have never had an issue with the t-shirt vendors in the neighborhood, but the banging of the buckets can be a bit much. that being said, it is obviously a tremendously difficult situation to tell certain groups to move 2 blocks away while allowing others to stay near wrigley. i don’t know, i voted for the ‘yes’ option
by murphymj on Jul 15, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could it be they don't like the peddlers because...
…they are worried no taxes are being collected?
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by cubswynn on Jul 15, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When i saw this on fox news last night
I knew right away this a move to get rid of the bucket boys.
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by xene on Jul 15, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous....
A blatant cash grab by the tenants, and borderline racist in the reasoning that they’re giving. Two blocks out moves them south of Addison, and further east past the El. You might as well just ask the city to revoke their licenses; it’s the same result, and a lot less insulting.
And just for the record, the vendors are a part of the Wrigley experience. If you’re asking “real” fans, I think most will tell you they’re a non-issue; even the bucket boys.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 15, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind the bucket boys
The offensive t-shirts are, well, offensive. If it cuts down on the Horry Cow, etc. crap, I’d have a hard time being against it.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 15, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Wouldn’t mind cutting down on the offensive shirts, but I think the bucket boys actually add to the excitement of being down there. As for the people living nearby not liking the noise-well duh-what did you expect? It’s like when I used to live near the airport and people would complain about the noise of the planes. Hello. Anybody home?
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by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, don't get me started about people near airports!
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 16, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhat shaky analogy
Planes and airports go together – if you have an airport, you have planes (well, except for peotone…). Whereas bucket boys have not always been part of the Wrigley Field noise experience. They are a fairly recent phenomena, and have taken the noise issue to a new level.
A better analogy would be if all of a sudden a new kind of really loud jet started using the airport, putting the decibel level well above previously established norms. Folks living near the airport might have a case on that.
Or closer to your home, wherever you may be… what if some ‘retired’ Hells Angels moved in down the street from you. Sure their law-breaking days are (hopefully) over, but they still have their choppers. Their very loud choppers. And they like to tinker with them, tune them and rev them up for hours at a time. Would you invite them over for milk & cookies?
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by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got a point.
But it’s crazy not to expect a lot of noise around Wrigley around game time.
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by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough.
The bucket boys noise is an interesting case. If they’re even half a block away, you probably don’t notice it so much. Just a rat-tat-tat in the background. Doesn’t really blend in with the other noise (crowd, PA, traffic), just sort of keeps a steady beat to it. But if they’re in close proximity (100 ft or less), the noise can be quite jarring, intense, and of the headache-causing variety.
Maybe if they used brushes instead of sticks… ;-)
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by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just haven't been that close
for it to bother me. Do they bang away throughout the whole game? Or just for a little while after? I so I could see that people in those stands right in that area would be annoyed by them. Also, are they doing this right by the Capt. Morgan Club? Would they be a nuissance to people there?
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by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few bang away before & during the game, but it's mostly after
Towards the end of the game, the ones with vendor licenses set up at the good spots – right outside the bleacher entrance, over by Gate K (firehouse), and corner of Sheffield & Addison. That last spot is fairly close to Capt Morgan Club but I haven’t seen any signs of extra vigilance this year because of that.
The non-license boys will set up shop wherever they can – mostly along Sheffield & Waveland – until the cops come by and roust them. It’s actually kind of funny sometimes to see them play ‘hide-n-seek’ with the cops by running around & behind all the buses lined up there. Of course the real comedy occurs when they have to do some serious running – kinda tough to move fast when you have to pull up your pants at the same time…
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by ballhawk on Jul 16, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you that...
… since they often set up behind the LF bleachers in the second inning, it can get REAL annoying.
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by Al on Jul 16, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then you've convinced me.
The less bucket boys and the less offensive t-shirt sales people, the better.
Oh, but I do like that one blue t-shirt with the skeleton design and the Cub’s bear face as the heart. Like Nigel Tufnel in Spinal Tap would say “This is my exact inner structure done in a t-shirt.” I don’t think they sell those at the regular stands. Do they? I have to get one of those.
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by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion, the problem with the congestion is that people are allowed to loiter outside of the bars.
You literally cannot walk down the sidewalk on Clark Street even on non-game days on the weekends.
I’m not sure if the smoking ban has increased the number of people just standing around outside of the bars but it is definitely a nuisance to anyone wanting to walk down the sidewalk.
Personally, I think the street peddlers have very little to do with the congestion.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 15, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There has been a noticable difference in the crowding on Clark...
… since the smoking ban went in to effect. I mean, at any given time there are a dozen or more people in front of every bar… and those sidewalks aren’t wide.
Totally worth it to not wake up smelling like you made out with the marlboro cowboy though.
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 15, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vendors are not a problem
And this is all about power and who has it. The vendors do not have it.
I can see why Tunney is doing this. The brick and mortar stores are part of his constituency. He doees need to support them, but, please, don’t insult anyone. This has nothing to do with safety or the Wrigley experience. Has anyone ever said “I’m not going to Wrigley anymore because of the street vendors”? Has there ever been any reported incident where the positioning of a street vendor caused any sort of injury or damage?
Puh-lease. Tunney is protecting his businesses.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 15, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They should stay.
In my opinion, this is a waste of the alderman’s time. The vendors don’t take up an inordinate amount of space or cause a lot of distraction (sure there are guys yelling “PEANUTS!,” but that is part of going to a baseball game). As someone mentioned, many of the shirts the vendors sell are a bit profane; I doubt you will find many brick and mortar stores selling the same ones. What I mean to say is that the vendors may not be competing directly with the other stores/establishments in the area based on what they are selling.
Another point. I would much rather have the vendors immediately around the stadium that have them on side streets ~2 blocks away (whatever vendors are left, that is). I think they are part of the experience, and the ordinate amount of noise they do make should be pretty tolerable around a stadium with 40,000 people. For people who live directly around Wrigley, they must reasonably assume there will be some less than ideal conditions associated with living immediately around the stadium. People living a few blocks away may not be as easilty pacified.
The bucket boys are pretty loud, but I can not say that they have ever influenced my enjoyment of watching a game. It kind of seems like a ploy to get them out of there. Chicago politics.
by northside9 on Jul 15, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still say.....
they should block off all 4 streets around Wrigley starting 2 hours before the game until an hour or so after, something similar to Fenway. Those sidewalks are just too small with the huge crowds and the vendors dont have anything to do with it.
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by AndHart120 on Jul 15, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what the alderman had to say in his e-newsletter
STREET PEDDLER AND PERFORMER ORDINANCE
At the June 29th City Council meeting, Alderman Tunney introduced an ordinance intended to limit the area around Wrigley Field that can be used by street peddlers and street performers during games and events. The ordinance is intended to address the public safety, congestion and noise issues that have magnified in recent years.
The proposal would begin two hours before and end two hours after baseball games or concerts and expand the prohibition zone to include both sides of Addison and Waveland between Wilton and Racine Avenues, and both sides of Clark and Sheffield between Newport Avenue and Grace Street.
We appreciate your feedback. Please email our service office at ward44@cityofchicago.org.
Here’s what I have to say… PUH-TOOEY!!!
I fail to see how the peddlers are a public safety or congestion issue. They carry everything with them and they’re supposed to keep moving. Exception being after the game where they apparently are allowed to stand in one place across street outside of gates. I see several of them lined up on the curb next to firehouse on Waveland across from Gate K after games.
The big plywood souvenir stand monstrosities are more of a public safety and congestion issue. Yes, they’re on private property but they’re almost always right on the property line so all the fans looking at the souvenirs bunch up in front and folks that just want to walk by have to go out into the street.
Same thing for the licensed ticket broker/scalpers. They legally can’t sell them on the sidewalk (you’re supposed to step inside their door, go up to their second floor office, etc.) but they all have off-duty cops protecting their operations so they pretty much do what they want. They have ‘barkers’ out in front yelling “Tickets! Tickets!” holding fistfuls of tickets. Again, those that are interested gather around in front, and folks who just want to walk by have to spill out into the street.
As for the bucket boys… yeah, they are loud and obnoxious. So if noise level really is an issue then I could see trying to do something about it. But I think doing so would smack of selective enforcement and border on racism, and I think the city has enough things to worry about (like parking meters) – they don’t need the Reverends Jackson and Pfleger making noise in front of City Hall and Wrigley. Besides they’re supposed to be licensed and I’ve seen cops shut down the ones that don’t have have their licenses. One cop breaks their drumsticks and drops them down the sewer.
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by ballhawk on Jul 15, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother...
Time and time again, the worst offenders are the brick-and-mortar businesses, and their customers.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 15, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know its a can of worms around these parts
but the 1st amendment has something to say about this.
I’ll put it very politely…you can trust me that I’ve played at levels much higher than you might otherwise believe. You may not like my criticism but you cannot question my resume. I suggest you leave it at that.
by krummy12 on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
by joeschmitt on Jul 15, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
these people are engaged in commerce, not political speech.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st amendment protects commercial speech
not just political speech
I work for the Cubs so I am really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies.
by joeschmitt on Jul 15, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um.
I’m not entirely sure I agree with you on that; furthermore (as with the second) there’s nothing about regulation, or more specifically, that you cannot regulate “commercial speech” (whatever the heck that is).
I don’t think the peddlers should be kicked out, but I don’t pretend to think this is about first amendment rights either.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it doesnt matter whether you agree with me on that
that’s the way it is. The Central Hudson case is probably still the seminal case on “commercial speech” (i.e., “expression related solely to the economic interests of the speaker and its audience”).
Of course you are correct that the 1st amendment is not absolute and allows for reasonable regulation of speech. My original comment was to the OP who was talking about an outright ban of peddlers, presumably from the public sidewalks around Wrigley. I don’t think an outright ban would be upheld under Central Hudson. Reasonable regulations such as the aforementioned permits are fine.
drew i am skeptical of all government attemptsto limit our political or economic freedom. i’m not “pretending” that its about the 1st amendment, that just happens to be the way that SCOTUS has decided commercial speech is protected.
I work for the Cubs so I am really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies.
by joeschmitt on Jul 15, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would suggest
after a quick reading, that blocking off 2 blocks of the area around wrigley doesn’t even come close to being equivalent to a “ban on advertising” by a utility company.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of these shirts already aren't protected by the first ammendment.
They’re often wrought with trademark violations, or use players’ likenesses and names without consent.
The notion that this is a first amendment issue is pretty laughable.
by Wreckard on Jul 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because some (or "most") of the shirts
may infringe others’ marks, you support a total ban of all shirts, musical performances, etc.? why is the solution always broader than the problem?
I work for the Cubs so I am really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies.
by joeschmitt on Jul 17, 2009 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did he say that?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're severely missing the point.
I’m just pointing out that your 1st amendment defense is as worthless as the shirts these guys are selling. You’re not free to sell anything on a shirt you want, and you’re not free to engage in commerce wherever you please.
by Wreckard on Jul 17, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on another note
do you believe that artistic expression is protected by the 1st amendment?
I work for the Cubs so I am really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies.
by joeschmitt on Jul 15, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but not the right to see it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"sell" not "see"
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess - just finished your first year of law school, right?
Sorry to condescend, but your comment contains that unique blend of overwhelming confidence and overwhelming innacuracy that is usually found only amongst 1Ls, whose knowledge of long-settled doctrine is in the, er, what’s the word, “formative”(?) stage.
#1, contrary to what you say, commercial speech gets a lot less protection than political speech. People disagree on the wisdom of that doctrine, but like it or not the Supreme Court has clearly drawn a line between the two, and as a result most commercial speech is still subject to rational basis review unless the regulation is specifically targeted at the content of the speech as opposed to the time, place and manner. Even if this proposal was a restriction on commercial speech (and it isn’t, see #2 below), it would clearly be a regulation on the time, place or manner of that speech. The city council has a rational basis for acting — public safety, congestion, noise complaints, perhaps even protecting a tax base from brick and mortar institutions — so the regulation is not susceptible to challenge.
But #2, Drew’s reaction of “huh? these people are engaged in commerce, not … speech” is dead on. Sure, commercial SPEECH is covered by the first amendment. Selling wares is not commercial speech, however, its commerce, and there is a sharp difference between the two. Commercial speech consists of things like advertising and promotion — the right to tell the public about your product and its claimed benefits so that they can make decisions on whether to buy it. The classic case involves pharmaceuticals – are governments allowed to deny pharma companies the right to tell consumers that their product exists and may have benefits for them. This is not that. Its a regulation on the manner in which vendors may engage in commerce, and it falls directly within the police powers of any city or state government.
by Orval Overall on Jul 17, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn't bother me
If I’m interested in something, I check on it. A couple weeks ago (7/2) after the game, my out-of-town guests wanted to get some stuff. We stopped at a bunch of the vendors nearby. It didn’t even dawn on my what exactly they were selling.
Before every game (unless it’s a rooftop game), I’m sure to get 1 or 2 of the 1lb bag of peanuts.
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by blackhawk24 on Jul 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My theory: getting rid of the Bucket Boys will solve the recent late inning bird problem
I think the buckets are what the birds cue on. Seems like they start swarming right when the buckets kick in – right around the 7th inning.
by Wreckard on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't thought of that.
Interesting idea. I’m all for getting rid of both.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I could take credit for it
My wife and I were at a game and speculating wildly as to how the hell the birds know what inning it is. She came up with the idea, which was the best one either of us could think of.
It was better than my theory, which is that they get text message alerts from MLB.com.
by Wreckard on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, guess I sort of did take credit for it above.
by Wreckard on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, go ahead and take credit.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of that Urban Legend about the Harvard-Yale Prank
Where the Harvard students went to the Yale football field all summer dressed in referee shirts and blew a whistle and spread around birdseed. After 30 days of this the birds were trained. Guess what happened during the first kickoff of the Yale football season?
Yep, you guessed it, DeSean Hoover returned it to the 32 yard line but there was a holding penalty.
Just kidding. But I’m quite sure it’s an urban legend.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Jul 16, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember the birds for years
before the bucket-boys.
My guess is they cue off of the time of day.
So what’s interesting would be what happens on off-days. They around at all? Anyone near the ballpark that can confirm?
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by blackhawk24 on Jul 19, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to work
I just want to bang on the drum all day
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by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
But of questionable accuracy — those kids are definitely working hard on the drums. I wouldn’t last 10 minutes at the pace they maintain for hours on end.
by Orval Overall on Jul 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a ban put into effect this season is different than one starting next season
the vendors and bucket boys deserve at least a few months (i.e. the off season) to decide if they want to continue their vending or banging two blocks away and/or if its time to find a new job – implementing the ban now seems like raising the ticket prices in mid-season
by doofus cubs guy on Jul 17, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with this.
Perhaps during the offseason, some sort of agreement can be hammered out that would be acceptable to all parties concerned.
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by Al on Jul 18, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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