The Second Half: A New Beginning And Hope - Cubs vs. Nationals Preview, Thursday 7/16, 6:05 CT
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:00 PM CDT
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WASHINGTON -- Finally arrived early this afternoon in the nation's capital, or more correctly, in suburban Virginia where I'm staying with friends. By the time you see this post, I should be on my way to Nationals Park; it's my first visit there. Email me if you are going to be at any of the four games and I'll try to meet up with you. I know there are a ton of expatriate Chicagoans in Washington and also there are quite a few people I know who have headed east for this series. With the Nats doing poorly and not drawing well (averaging 23,413, 24th in the majors), I expect the entire weekend to be filled with Cub-centric crowds.
At this writing the Cubs have made no roster moves, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they had made a deal, or more, or signed B.J. Ryan to a minor league contract, before they take the field tonight.
Paul Sullivan details five things the Cubs must do to improve in the second half and reports that Milton Bradley swears, yes, swears, he'll be better:
"When I tell you I'm back, I'm back," he said. "You can mark it down. I'm going to be hitting for the rest of the year."
All I can say is this: I sure hope he's right. If he can put together a second half even close to what we all expected when he was signed to the big-money deal last winter, the Cubs' offense will be markedly improved.
Bruce Miles has a similar take on the second half. So does Gordon Wittenmyer in the Sun-Times.
Update on the Cubs' sale: Tribune Co. is going to file for bankruptcy for the Cubs, as first predicted a couple of days ago. This procedural move will make it easier for the sale to be completed to the Ricketts group and will apparently help protect the new owners from Tribune Co. creditors after the sale is done:
In the Cubs' case, a Chapter 11 filing says nothing about the team's solvency or its ability to pay player contracts. But it could prevent Tribune creditors from chasing a new Cubs owner for partial satisfaction on Tribune debts.
The tactic for the Cubs "would deliver as clear a title as possible to the new owner of the team," said a source close to the talks. "It's a way in some respects of inoculating the team."
Soon. Very soon, maybe as soon as next month, we'll have new owners. In the meantime, there are games to be played. And won.
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Ross Detwiler was supposed to start this game, but he was sent to Triple-A Syracuse right as the break began. Instead, we get John Lannan, an actual good pitcher. I'd love to see the Cubs try to get him someday -- he's a lefty sinkerballer who would do very well at Wrigley. He is 2-0, 3.38 lifetime vs. the Cubs; the last start he made vs. the Cubs was August 22, 2008 at Wrigley. In that game, the Cubs actually hit him pretty well (5 ER in 6.1 IP), but the Nats teed off on three Cubs relievers, pounding Chad Gaudin for six runs including a grand slam by Willie Harris. Obviously, that won't happen tonight. Derrek Lee is 2-for-5 vs. Lannan with a HR.
If only the Rich Harden who threw seven two-hit, one-run, no-walk, eleven-strikeout innings vs. the Nationals on August 24, 2008 at Wrigley Field would show up tonight, we'd have no problems. The only Nat who has more than one hit off him is ex-Pirate Nyjer Morgan (3-for-4). This might be a real good game to get Harden back on track.
The Cubs are back on cable today -- CSN Chicago and MASN, the Washington/Baltimore area cable sports outlet. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Overflow comment threads will post today at 7 pm, 8 pm and 8:45 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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No kidding.
This has been one hec of a long week. Makes me wonder how I make it through the winter.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
answer:
football
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yucky
I may try college basketball though. My daughter will be starting at Marquette in the fall. My husband went to DePaul and is a big Blue Demon fan. It will be fun to start a rivalry with him.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
College basketball is fun.
But I love football most of all.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not more than baseball though...?
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like football
and basketball better than baseball.
by sue369 on Jul 16, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re killin me here, Sue.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 6:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Way more
Swimming > football > baseball > basketball > other sports.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live for baseball.
Beyond absolute basics, I don’t even know the rules for most other sports. I just never was interested.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swam for 15 years
and my first living memory is of dancing around my grandad’s study wearing my older brother’s Payton jersey singing the “Super Bowl Shuffle”
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have that song in vinyl.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on video cassette
and theres a polaroid of me in mid dance somewhere.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swimming 15 yrs
you must be very good.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty good
I blew out my shoulder while training for the paralympic trials.
Now, I’m just a fan and might coach someday.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry about your shoulder :(
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 17, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"When I tell you I'm back, I'm back..."
To show you
I can really
SHAKE ’EM DOWN!!!
♪ ♫ Do ya love me?! (do ya love me) Do ya love me?! (do ya love me) Do ya love me?! Now that I can dance. ♪ ♫
WATCH ME NOW!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We had issues with this team last season
Hopefully that won’t continue.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineup!
RJ
Theriot
Bradley
DLee
Aramis
Soriano
Baker
Hill
Harden.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
guess Lou
didn’t hear all the talk around here about hitting Milton in the two hole.
by elgato on Jul 16, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I assume Milton will be batting right-handed vs. the LHP Hannan.
So I like him batting third. His numbers from the right side are pretty impressive – .918 OPS, though in only 67 PAs.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also like putting him
in the 3 hole—it’s a nice show of confidence by Lou. Also, with Milton announcing he’s back—what better way than hitting 3 for us the remainder of the year?
by socalbob on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes BJ
Just got a tweet from ESPNChicago saying he signed a one-year deal.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
link
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summarize for me? MU rulz??
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
1 year
minor league deal.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Harden starting?
Lilly, Z, and Wells could all be on normal rest periods.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because there isn't a better way to start the second half
than throwing your worst pitcher.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get his start
out of the way?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ensure his start...
is against the worst team in baseball?
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BINGO.
Confidence builder.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But doesn't it line him up to face the Phillies?
Rich Harden + power hitters + hitters park= disaster.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time I see that W on the Washington hat
I think of the Walgreens logo.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope the Nationals...
…are like medicine for what ails the Cubs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 16, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have a sickness...
…and the prescription is more Washington Nationals.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cure for what ails you?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer,
Ales what cures you.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a big series
A perfect opprtunity to get things started out heading in the right direction by taking at least 3 of 4.
Need Harden to pitch well. Hopefully he is well rested.
by Ryanocm1 on Jul 16, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Ryan...
start in AAA or come straight to the club?
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would tend
to believe that he would make an appearance or two down at Iowa, but I don’t know that for sure.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Article said he was heading to Mesa to build arm strength
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jul 16, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's good. Arm strength is good.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean... to inject arm strength...
j/k
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is the backup Catcher?
Are the Cubs going to trade for a veteran, or call up someone from Iowa? Or go with Fox?
by tripdenten on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As of now,
still Fox.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This 2nd half especially...
…I think it is crucial for the Cubs to come out like it is opening day and run off a good record for the first 6-7 games. If they don’t, I fear the funk will continue and you could see some guys underachieve for the duration. If that happens, they have no chance.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SWL get the Jays symbol off and the Cubs symbol on
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to reverse the image so he's left-handed.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a disgrace to The Chosen One.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
EXPELLIARMUS!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "Z" function is not working for me
I’ve e-mailed SBN about it and they told me it would be fixed by now, but it’s still happening: every time I press “z” to go to the next unread comment, the page jumps to the top, but it un-highlights comments.
Anybody else having this issue? I’m on Safari 4.0.2.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have it occasionally
But I have google chrome.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Chrome for Mac just yet
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by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same issue last night on my laptop
No problems today at work though.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with all apologies to the White Sox
… my pick to click tonight: Milton Bradley
by elgato on Jul 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Milton is that you?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 16, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can put it on the (message) booooooooooard...........aw hell yes!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
The reference is lost to me.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk and Stone
always select a “pick to click” at the start of every game.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
Guess I didn’t need to know that after all.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a very old Sox tradition
Going back, at least, to the days when some guy named Wimpy did games with Hawk.
by elgato on Jul 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Vote here
Who is more likely to come out and have a good 2nd half
Bradley or Soriano?
I think both are. We’re not talking about bad hitters here.
But if I had to pick one I have more confidence in Soriano.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 16, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Milton, but let's hope they both do.
Why did you have to delete your Twitter account?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a long story but basically I was spammed. Long story I will be reestablishing a new one soon.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 16, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I get tons of spam followers, too.
I just choose not to follow them, so I never receive any of their tweets.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I block the spammers on mine.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i block 'em too
spammers… and anyone i don’t like.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They usually get banned within a week anyway
I just let them go.
Im glad you didnt block me Allie.
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by jkobus on Jul 16, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would i not like you?
you haven’t blocked me for talking about the cubs too much. :-)
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to pick one it would be Milton.
Milton does not swing at balls and unhittable pitches like Soriano does.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pick one?
I’d say Milton-he gets on base much more frequently
"You can't win a dobleheader if you don't win the first game" Bob Brenly
by cubswgnrocks on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameboard
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Milton
sure feels good to have baseball back again. Hopefully our second season goes better than our first.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-4 Cubs tonight.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll vote for that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you're in a democratic mood
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, why not?
I’m in the nation’s capital!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lobby to bring Joe Mauer to Chicago...
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by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree
more with this statement
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 16, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dream on, my friends.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we give Soriano's money to Mauer?
Surely there’s a way you can lobby for that!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 16, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Soriano’s money will be enough for Mauer if he ever leaves the Twins
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 16, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are many Chicago people in D.C. nowadays
I’m sure at least one or two have some sort of power to draft a bill that decrees Joe Mauer will sign for life with the Cubs.
Too bad most of them people are Sux fans…
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer would play third, first, or catcher. I don’t see a big need at those spots. But if I were starting a team my top 3 would be Mauer, Hanley, and Pujols.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 5:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Mine would be Mauer, Pujols, and Longoria
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 16, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably
take Mauer, Pujols, and Lincecum (or Harren)
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 16, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t take a pitcher to start a team. And I’d pick Johan over Lincecum any and every dAy.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Haren is really good
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, Albert is, uh, stiff.
@JoeStrauss: Albert arrived at clubhouse around noon today. Exhausted from A-S frenzy. Did not come on field. Experiencing “mild stiffness.”
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pray to god the home run derby f'd up his swing
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 16, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and Fielder both
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by chilango2 on Jul 16, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't want to tempt the Baseball Gods by wishing for injuries...
…but let’s just say it’s worth keeping an eye on. In other Cards news, DeRo swung a bat with no wrist pain today and may be activated over the weekend. Should be interesting to see whether his power is all there still.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prescribe a full body cast
At least until Oct. 10.
by elgato on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy that for a dollar.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spending the rest of the day in the car, on my way to Wisconsin for my ninth straight year of 2 days of DMB @ Alpine Valley.
My Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Bradley is forthcoming.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
See ya there dan! Sorry you have so far to drive!
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jul 16, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to see DMB in KC...
in September Dan.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we’ll meet up? That’s the 2nd to last show of the tour, which essentially started in February.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 5:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good.
We’ll talk on down the road.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al ...
is the trade you alluded to not happening?
by elgato on Jul 16, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently not right now.
I’ll see if I can find out any more information.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lannan
Light em up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 16, 2009 5:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna watch the game on delay
because I can’t miss people watching over at Wrigley and to catch the first song
I’m going to the concert Tuesday. Thanks to my fiancé, if she’s lurking, for the tickets
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 16, 2009 5:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lannan's numbers are interesting.
He has a decent ERA (3.70) – and he had a good one last season, too (3.91 in 31 starts). But he’s really hittable, and he doesn’t strike guys out much (4.09 K/9, 1.28 K:BB so far this season). In fact, he’s a good example of why it’s good to look at a starter’s FIP. Lannan’s is 4.77 thus far – compare that with his ERA.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 16, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lannan's ERA has been significantly better than his FIP for his whole career.
About a run lower, in fact. His strand rate is fairly high and his BABIP quite low, which usually indicate luck, but if he keeps it up for the rest of this year it might be something like a trend. Hard to say after basically a season and a half. As Al’s summary suggests, he’s an extreme ground-ball pitcher. Maybe his pitch selection (the Internets say he has five pitches: FB, CB, SL, CH, and a cutter) makes his ground balls especially prone to becoming outs, for some reason. Or maybe he’s just lucky. There are a few pitchers whose ERA is routinely different from their FIP (IIRC Javier Vasquez is the typical example of a guy who underperforms his rate stats).
by aldimond on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Lannan stuff.
He outperformed his FIP considerably at every level he pitched at in 2007 also (he had 8 starts at A+, 5 at AA, 6 at AAA, 6 in the majors that year). Not so in 2006, where he struck out a lot more batters but had a high BABIP and low strand rate. He struck out fewer and fewer batters as he moved up the ranks (one can say that with some confidence, as K rate stabilizes very quickly). I don’t have a source for GB/FB stats in the minors, but he was ridiculously good at HR prevention there. In the bigs his HR/FB rate is pretty normal, but it’s hard to imagine a guy giving up few enough fly balls to have a HR/9 around .5 with a normal HR/FB. If it’s not just luck keeping his BABIP down it might be the same thing that kept his minor-league BABIP and (presumably) HR/FB down.
by aldimond on Jul 16, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the additional info.
Colin Wyers recommended FIP in one of his posts here a season or two ago and it makes for an interesting comparison to ERA. I find it gives a little more insight into a pitcher’s performance.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 17, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there.
FIP? Haven’t come across that one yet. Quick summary?
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by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to google
it is Feline infectious peritonitis or the Federation of International Polo.
I don’t think thats right though.
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by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
thanks for the effort tho
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by Kansas25 on Jul 16, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it wasn't just for you
I was really curious, myself.
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by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIP stands for Fielding-Independent Pitching
The idea behind it is that pitchers have a fair amount of control over their K, BB, and HR rates but not over much else. FIP is a formula that predicts ERA based on K, BB, and HR rates. In practice it predicts a pitcher’s future ERA better than past ERA does, but there are some caveats. First, some pitchers’ ERAs routinely over- or underperform their FIP. Second, another study found that pure fly-ball rate is a better predictor of HR rate than is past HR rate, so an “expected HR rate” might be a better input to the formula than true HR rate (well… most ML pitchers have a very similar HR/FB rate but there are, again, exceptions to this).
by aldimond on Jul 16, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think most fly ball pitchers gave up many home runs
Or have I been not doing enough math?
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by Allie on Jul 16, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've only read the articles, not crunched the numbers personally.
They say that for most ML-quality pitchers the rate of home runs allowed per fly ball is sort of like BABIP (batting average on balls in play): all pitchers are about the same, but the value fluctuates wildly over time. The tradeoff of being a fly ball pitcher is that you usually give up more homers and extra-base hits and fewer singles — this isn’t a great tradeoff on the face, and so most fly-ball pitchers that make it in the majors strike out a lot of batters, too.
There are a handful of pitchers that seem to give up fewer homers per fly ball. I don’t remember who they are. I think a typical number is about 10-12% of fly balls. Carlos Zambrano, who’s given up about 32% fly balls in his career, is at 9.1% HR/FB; Ted Lilly, who gives up about 50% fly balls, is at 11%. So Lilly, as a fly-ball pitcher that gives up lots of home runs, has to limit baserunners to be effective. With the Blue Jays his walk rate was pretty bad, and he gave up lots of runs as a result. Since coming to the Cubs he’s cut down on the walks while continuing to strike out lots of hitters — this means fewer baserunners which minimizes the impact of those home runs.
by aldimond on Jul 16, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielding Independent Pitching
idk what that means though
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 16, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden on the road
04/10 @MIL 6.0 innings 2 runs
04/26 @STL 6.0 innings 2 runs
05/06 @HOU 7.0 innings 3 runs
06/24 @DET 5.1 innings 4 runs
06/29 @PIT 7.0 innings 1 run
Hopefully this is a trend that will continue tonight!! Let’s get this second half started on a good note!!
by Freddyd on Jul 16, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So in other words you're saying
pitch Harden all you want as long as it’s not in Wrigley.
by JFCubFan on Jul 16, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said Harden…and long…(snickers).
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by dtpollitt on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Some pitchers
Have these years where they pitch better at home than on the road and vice verca. Same as day games vs. night games.
Hopefully we’re seeing a trend where Harden is having one of those road warrior years which would be a bonus for the Cubs because we need to improve that road record
by Freddyd on Jul 16, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is randy wells injured?
i ask only because he’s not listed as being sunday’s starter
by John T. Unger on Jul 16, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess is because kevin hart will probably start that game sunday.
that way hart won’t start vs phillies and wells can start game one of the phillies series.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately it does.
nothing SHOULD make sense when it involves Kevin Hart starting a major league game. Early line on Kevin Hart’s total walks. Ill set the line at 6.5 over or under?
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 16, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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