Cubs Minor League Wrap -- July 15
Everyone wins (who played) edition.
Iowa Cubs
The International League All-Stars defeated the Pacific Coast League All-Stars, 6-5.
Iowa Cub catcher Chris Robinson was 1 for 2 with a run scored. They took him out when a knuckleball pitcher took the mound.
Tennessee Smokies
The Smokies eclipsed the Jacksonville Suns 6-4.
Starter Andrew Cashner went four innings and gave up two runs on four hits. He walked two and struck out five. He threw 83 pitches tonight.
Casey Lambert got the win with two shutout innings of relief. Lambert allowed only one hit, didn't walk anyone and struck out three.
Brian Schlitter gave up a run in the ninth, but still picked up his 13th save. Schlitter allowed two hits. He didn't walk a batter and struck out three.
Center fielder James Adduci hit his second homer of the year in a 3 for 5 game. He also doubled and was a triple short of the cycle. Adduci had two RBI and scored three times.
Shortstop Jonathan Mota was 3 for 4 with a walk. He scored once and knocked on in. Right fielder Tyler Colvin was 2 for 5 with a triple and an RBI. Left fielder Ty Wright was also 2 for 5 with an RBI. Second baseman Tony Thomas was 2 for 3 with a double and walk. Thomas scored once.
Daytona Cubs
Daytona trounced the Tampa Yankees, 8-2.
Ryan Searle was strong tonight with five shutout innings. Searle allowed three hits and walked two. He struck out one. Searle improved his record to 6-7.
The Daytona "Futures" stars returned and led the Cubs hitting attack. Shortstop Starlin Castro was 4 for 4 with a double and a stolen base. Castro scored twice and had one RBI. Third baseman Josh Vitters wasn't quite as good, but also doubled in a 2 for 4 game. Vitters had two RBI.
Center fielder Tony Campana was 2 for 4 with a triple and a walk. Campana stole two bases and scored three times. He now has 32 steals on the year. Jake Opitz was 2 for 4 with a run scored and an RBI.
Peoria ChiefsThe Chiefs broke the West Michigan White Caps 4-2.
Aaron Shafer improved his record to 7-5 by allowing only one run over five innings. He surrendered five hits. He walked only one and fanned three.
Chris Huseby pitched a perfect ninth for his 11th save. He struck out one.
DH Derrick Fitzgerald was 3 for 4 with a run scored. Shortstop Junior Lake was 2 for 4 with a run scored.
Boise Hawks
The Hawks stole the Yakima Bears' honey, 9-8.
Corey Martin recorded his first professional win tonight, although he did give up a run on three hits over 1.1 innings. He didn't walk anyone and struck out two. Daniel Keefe threw two shutout innings to collect his second save. Keefe allowed only one hit and didn't have a walk or a strikeout.
Second baseman Logan Watkins busted out tonight. He was 4 four 5, scoring twice and knocking one in.
Shortstop Hak-Ju Lee was 2 for 4 with two stolen bases and two runs scored. Right fielder Jae-Hoon Ha hit two doubles in a 2 for 5 game. Ha scored twice
Center fielder Brett Jackson was 2 for 4 with a walk. He scored once and knocked two in.
AZL Cubs
Did not play.
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Unfortunately for Lambert
He’s one of those guys who has to move around to accommodate the needs of other players.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He was never slated to be a starter
Yes, happened when Cashner came up, I believe. it happened as an emergency situation, they needed another guy at the start of the year due to Mateo’s injury. His future is still in the pen where the high 80’s fastball and the plus curve could work quite well. Take the splits this year with a grain of salt.
so is tony campana
good enough to make a legit run at the bigs? he’s fast.
i’m not optimistic about the cubs prospects at the corner outfield/first base prospects. but between jackson and campana, we might at least have someone that can play for us in 2012 or so as at least a fourth or fifth outfielder. an upgrade over fuld when dome’s contract is finished.
1B is VERY thin in the minors. Most of the prospects are old for their league and not exactly lighting it up.
Jackson and Campana seem legit but don’t count out Guyer just yet and I still think we shouldn’t completely forget about Colvin or Burke either. Burke is still just 21 and Colvin is playing better in AA.
I still love Guyer
he was promoted to AA too fast. Since his demotion to Daytona, he’s been tearing it up. My only concern down there is the lack of home runs. But if Guyer had just gone to Daytona and hit like this rather than bust out in AA like he did this season, we’d all be very excited about him.
Guyer’s failure at AA though indicates that his possible arrival at Wrigley is going to be later rather than sooner though. Which is fine, since Fukudome and Bradley aren’t going anywhere next season and Soriano’s never going anywhere.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 16, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
How old is Guyer now?
Would that push him back too far to be a starting player.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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not the end of the world for him to be struggling, but the timeline is crunched right now, if you buy ARL as a factor to judge by. There’s very little chance he would head back to Tennessee this year, meaning he’ll start next year as a 24 year old in Tennessee, not too old, but older then desired.
One thing that should be noted about Guyer is his bad luck (same goes for Welington Castillo). The adjusted park/luck line is still not good, but there’s a chance they would’ve let him figure it out in AA rather than demote him. Certainly, just minor league numbers, so take it with a grain of salt when major league statistical analysis is still evolving, but it is something to note.
In saying all that, while I really liked Guyer last year and entering this year, some things always hung out in the back of the mind:
a) He rode one hot month last year to make that line look really good, instead of just solid (for MWL standards)
b) He didn’t show, last year, the propensity to consistently get on base.
c) Guyer has some swing issues he needs to work on. For all the raw tools he has, he’s still at his best when he cuts down on his swing and sprays the ball around. Otherwise, he’ll be hit and miss. The FB rate at Tennessee was too high for my tastes for Guyer.
Certainly, different leagues, different environments, but what is noticeable since he went back to Tennessee is that
a) He’s shown better discipline. Is this a Jake Fox like development? Here’s hoping.
b) The FB rate has come down a lot.
I still like him quite a bit, and he still cracks the top 15 of my Cubs midseason prospect list. The demotion doesn’t kill him, and ARL is a bit overrated by minor league fans. If he stays consistent to what he is doing in Daytona right now, and carries it Tennessee next year, he’ll be primed for a good run there and put him back on 2011’s radar.
ARL = age relative to league
Thanks for these details, toonsterwu
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
He pretty much has only one plus tool: he’s really fast.
Considering how much teams like to have pinch runner types on their rosters, he has a decent chance of making the bigs as a 4th or 5th OF/pinch runner type. Don’t expect anything more out of him, though.
by Outshined_One on Jul 16, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's right
although you never know—Juan Pierre really only has one tool too.
Still, as prospects, Juan Pierre was a few miles ahead of where Tony Campana is. Still, I’m starting to warm to him.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
1B is definitely the weakspot in the organization
I can’t name one decent prospect for that position. Every other position there is at least one guy who could be a back up at the mlb level but not first.
C- Clevenger, Cerda, Robinson, W Castillo
1B- R Ridling (the best?)
2B- Watkins, Lake, Flaherty, Harrison, T Thomas
SS- Castro, Lee
3B- Vitters (no one beyond him except maybe Rosa)
OF- Jackson, Colvin, Burke, Guyer, Fuld, Campana,
Depends on how you view the ability of everyone else to stick at their current positions. The Cubs haven’t drafted many DH/1B types in recent years, but I’m guessing that’s because they figure they can move someone from C or 3B to 1B if needed.
by Outshined_One on Jul 16, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You're forgetting
Marquez Smith at 3rd, he’s better than Rosa. Also don’t be surprised if Vitters moves to first eventually, he is below average in the field and probably will never be more than average.
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Forgot about Smith
but he probably only projects as a backup 3B or utility infielder as well. Not enough power to be a starter at 3rd on a good club.
Vitters’ defense has improved this year and he’s still young. From what I’m reading, he has the athletic tools to play 3B at an above average level, but he needs more time and coaching to get to that point.
From what I’ve been reading about Smith, he could end up being a supersub kind of guy at 2B/3B and possibly in the OF. He’s hitting pretty well this season (.283/.326/.493 with 12 HRs in 300 ABs between Daytona and Tennessee), so it’s possible he could end up being a Mark DeRosa type.
by Outshined_One on Jul 16, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree on Marquez
his versatility will be what gets him a shot. I could see him put up Jeff Baker like numbers from last year, making a Clemson-Clemson connection. Who would’ve thunk it at the start of the year that come midseason, a case could be made that two Clemson guys hold more intriguing futures for our squad than Colvin.
I don't think you want
a lot of strong 1B prospects in your organization. A lot of top first basemen (Pujols, Teixeira, Youkilis) played other positions in the minors. You can usually move a catcher, third baseman or outfielder to first base if necessary.
The reason why we don’t have any 1B prospects in the minors is that Hoffpauir and Fox are sitting on our bench.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 16, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Rosa
Has had a disappointing season. When he’s on, that’s a a beautiful swing, but it’s been a mess this year. Anyhow, his future is more at first base. Also, Castillo should be higher on that list. He’s still the best defensive player and that will get him a shot. Cerda’s a big unknown. At 2nd base, hard to put Watkins at the top when he is so far away. I’d probably sitll top the list with Flaherty.
I’ll put my minor league post up in a few days with something similar on my take of the “depth chart”. 1st base is a weakness, but it’s not one you really worry about. 3rd is really weak. The way I look at our major weakness in our system, though, is to say that we lack power hitting prospects and not by position. Btw, OF ranking, I’d go Guyer first, then Jackson, then a cluster.
I would like to point out that I wasn't really ranking
guys at each position just listing the ones off the top of my head who I could think of. I would say I think Jackson is higher in my book but it is still early so hard to say.
I will have to say I think the system has improved over last year. There are several guys who have really stepped up their games (like Lee and Huseby).
I would really like to see the cubs sign their #2 and #3 picks to add even more depth. The 6th rounder from Texas A&M also had a great season but really fell off his last 2 or 3 starts. Makes you wonder if it was injury related. Maybe they are scouting him in the summer leagues prior to trying to sign him.
Agreed
Was going to start off my post with this, but there’s three things that can be said about the Cubs system right now:
1) It’s not good. No need to sugarcoat it. You can like the system, like I do, but it’s not a good system yet. …
but
2) The top shelf of the system is good. Not great, not elite, but good. A case can be made, as of right now, that the Cubs may have 4 top 100 guys by year’s end – a top 30/40 guy in Josh Vitters, a top 75-80 guy in Jay Jackson, and in Castro/Cashner, two guys that may slot in the 80-120 area
and
3) The Cubs system is improving. Our ranking may actually go down, but there’s a better diversity of talent than in year’s past. There’s more upside. The arm depth is good. Whereas our overall system may be ranked near the bottom, I’d argue that our pitching depth is in the middle tier of systems, if not close to the top 3rd (goes to show how shaky the positional depth is).
In the end, rankings and everything are mainly for discussion purposes. Huseby’s a nice arm, and I’m very glad the kid has settled down after the huge problems last year. That said, hard to see him profiling as a late inning pen arm, well, at least, a consistent late inning pen arm. As a pen arm, best case is a Jon Rauch type, I think. I’d like to see him, if he’s confident enough, give a starting twirl again. It was the right move to “pen” him this year after last year. Btw, Lee is doing fine in Boise, but let’s not go to calling him a guy that has stepped up just yet. This certainly isn’t Starlin Castro’s breakout performance … yet.
I’m hopeful we’ll sign LeMahieu/Kirk/Raley. We need lefty arms. Raley actually intrigues me a lot more than some of the early round guys. I know Raley can hit, but I prefer him as an arm and he fits the mold of guys Wilken started taking last year. I have to believe that, with Hendry-Maineri’s relationship, that Hendry has an idea of what it might take to sign DJ LeMahieu, and that’s the reason why he agreed to draft him. That said, if we don’t net him, we do get a pick next year, so it wouldn’t be the worst thing.
There’s some really intriguing arms at Boise this year. That club isn’t getting the pub like last year’s “name” team, but I have a hunch that this Boise squad might end up producing more talent. There’s some good, big, sturdy arms, a couple intriguing lefties, and some positional talent to look at down there.
I disagree with your comment that the cubs may actually go down in ranking.
I tend to think they are near the middle (around 15-20) of the pack. The knock for them is they lack top end “can’t miss” talent. I don’t deny that but they have a lot of depth and I personally like it that way. BA and many of the other cites really want toolsy players and the Cubs just don’t have many of them.
I'll be surprised
if we are rated near the middle of the pack. Problem is, after our top tier, things drop off really, really, really fast. I’m high on Dan McDaniel, but he’s struggled. Maybe a workload issue there (just a guess). There’s others – Ryan Searle is intriguing, but he hasn’t put it together. Again, rankings are simply for discussion purposes. Doesn’t mean there won’t be talent that produces in the bigs. But after our top tier, we drop off really fast, and the upside in the system, while improved, is still lacking.
My hunch is that we’ll still be in the 3rd tier of system rankings. It could be higher than 27, it could be lower. The Astros, the worst system entering the year, have improved with the developed of Jordan Lyle and some other guys. The last time I pondered a midseason system ranking (about a month ago), I placed us 23rd.
doesn't everyone
fall off after their top tier. i mean, that’s kinda the way tiers work, isn’t it?
by circuitclout on Jul 17, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
no, not really everyone
some teams have a strong 2nd tier, a bunch of solid B, B- prospects. Depending on who’s ranking and how they rank, a case could be made that after our top 4 guys, we don’t have another B/B- level talent. That’s probably a bit pessimistic, but the 2nd tier of talent for the Cubs isn’t there right now. Doesn’t mean there won’t be productive players – rankings are simply for discussion purporses after all. Furthermore, some guys will develop. But put it this way, the 2nd tier or our system right now would probably involve a guy who should have dominated the MWL considering his arsenal and college experience (Carpenter), a guy coming off Tommy John (Dae-Eun Rhee), a raw, toolsy talent in Shortseason (Hak-ju Lee), and some others. All three are immensely talented guys, but all three certainly have some questions and some warts.
one of the more under the radar picks got a start tonight
in Chris Rusin. Granted, it was only AZL, so it may skip by the wire, but the 4th rounder is an intriguing enough lefty. Your “typical” lefty arsenal in that, he’s not going to overpower you, but with two solid looking breaking balls, he might be able to chew you up. An interesting arm to follow, but for the near future, worth also checking out his health status. I would like to see him in Boise, if not Peoria, by summer’s end (and that should happen). He was a senior after all, AZL should just be used as a way to get him wet unless there’s a problem that comes up.
I saw that as well.
Good to see him in a game finally. He probably won’t pitch much this year so it will be hard to tell what he may become until next year.
Also saw that Wes Darvill also played his first game tonight.
Good to have you back toonsterwu- you disappeared for a while from BCB. If you are like me when the mlb team is doing poorly I tend to follow the minors more closely. Gotta have something to look forward to…
Oh
You really should stick Darwin Barney in a depth chart at shortstop.
thanks all
when does patton’s ‘rehab stint’ (translation: get some people out or you’re outtahere) begin? and do we have a legit link for what the official rule is regarding ‘30 days max on dl’ or ’90 days on roster (and is that 25-man roster, or does september count)?
BLou, i think you’re correct on the ‘30 days max on dl’, but i’ve seen too many conflicting comments, including on brew crew ball.
Depth at SS
Does seem to be a theme. And they are young. That could create some very nice trade possiblitities down the road. I don’t know that having any corner outfield prospects matters since Hendry has boxed himself in with Soriano, Bradley, and Fukudome.
It would be nice to see some more arms come up, but I don’t think you can argue that the Cubs haven’t brought up some good arms the last few years to the majors. That has been the brightest spot for the organization to me. I’ll be interested to see if any catcher grows up this year so they can challenge for a back-up role next year assuming Soto comes back healthy and regains his ability to hit.
C, SS, and SP
C – Clevenger has a chance to challenge for the role. He doesn’t have the great upside, and he’ll never be great defensively, but he’s solid and consistent.
SS – The depth at shortstop is okay, with a but, though. Lee is a big boy for the position, so let’s see how he fills in, and Ryan Flaherty and Junior Lake’s future may be at other spots.
P – I’ve made the case before, but I love our pitching depth. I believe this year’s pitching depth is our best since 2003, and for those that forget, we were considered to have one of the top systems back then, and definitely one of the top pitching systems. Now, we’re talking value here, and I don’t think we are that good yet, but there’s a lot of promise. Still some holes – would like to see more power arms, and we could use lefty starters. Still many guys that need to polish up or develop another pitch to really step forward: Casey Coleman, Dan McDaniel, Ryan Searle, Justin Bristow, Jon Nagel, and others all fit into that mix. But it’s a strong collection of righty SP talent, and a solid collection of pen guys.
I was at the game
And am glad to hear that was a knuckleball pitcher. From my angle it looked like he was lobbing curveballs over the heart of the plate.
Well there was
a curveball specialist who threw a 49 mph curveball over the plate for a called strike. Two different pitchers.
Haegar was the knuckleballer who gave up the two runs in the sixth inning. Swindle was the guy who replaced him and he can throw a sub 50 mph curveball over the plate for a strike. That pitch is so jarring that it’s tough to swing at. Still, you’d think you could probably get fooled and still have time to make an adjustment. except the AAA hitters weren’t doing it.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 16, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If Robinson was good enough to play
in the AAA All-Star game, he wasn’t equal to the task of backing up Hill behind the plate?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 17, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
Good question
He’s not on the 40-man, but there’s room there to add him easily enough. I think it’s more a matter that Lou has joined the cult of Sam Fuld. I think it’s silly that we’re going around with Jake Fox as our backup catcher—who has caught three games over the past two seasons and 16 over the past three. If Robinson is that bad, why do we even have him in Iowa? At least call up Clevenger if you won’t call up Robinson.
Al said the Cubs were going to make a trade for a catcher, but that was a week ago and Fox is still the backups.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 17, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
my guess
bj ryan will be 39 on the 40 man. robinson would be 40. if we have injuries beyond that, we’d have to do something else we don’t want to.
Except I see
Chad Fox still sitting on the 15 man DL. Easy enough to put him on the 60 day since apparently he’s been guaranteed a job for life with the Cubs.
It’s like Phil Wrigley never died.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 18, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
i've been trying to figure out when he
hits the ten year mark. then we’ll move him to the sixty day, and he’ll get his pension increase.
There was a deal in the works for a catcher.
It’s apparently on hold for now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm fine with the current plan
I imagine that Robinson, Clevenger, and even Castillo are all on speed dial if something should happen during a game. I figured that this would be what the Cubs do – hold Jake Fox as the backup and see how long you can stick while exploring the trade market, which the Cubs have been rumored heavily with. I think they’ve said to themselves that Fox can finish off a game for them if Hill gets hurt. Robinson’s offense was likely PCL inflated and Clevenger, while someone I like, really needs more time. I guess it’s fair to ask who the third catcher is right now, in case Lou wants to use Jake as a pinch hitter, and I would have no clue.
This allows Sam Fuld to get PT, which is the more important move at this juncture, as he could fit a critical role for what the team needs. Granted, if Fuld doesn’t get PT, then you sort of wonder what the purporse is. That said, the Cubs probably don’t want to make a 40 man move if they don’t have to, particularly since Hendry seems to be sticking his nose in a lot of places, including Lugo.
Flaherty as SS
I don’t think he’ll be there long. Big framed kid.
I agree
long run, 2nd base seems likely, as the power doesnt’ seem there for 3rd (and here’s hoping 3rd isn’t a consideration). That said, he hasn’t been bad enough at SS to move him fully off it, so I imagine the split time will continue next year, perhaps with Junior Lake still.

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