Derrek Lee's Three Hits, Homer And A Sharp Rich Harden Lead Cubs Past Nationals 6-2
WASHINGTON -- I was going to put the word "hapless" in the headline before "Nationals" but that would have just been too easy, don't you think?
The Cubs did nearly everything right in last night's 6-2 win over the Nats. Even Alfonso Soriano's baserunning blunder in the fourth inning, in which he ran a bit too far off first base, getting caught in a rundown (and apparently jamming a finger sliding back into first base as a result, likely the reason he was finally pulled from the game in the ninth inning) didn't matter.
It spoiled the Washington managerial debut of ex-Cub manager Jim Riggleman, who is making a career out of becoming the interim boss of teams headed for 100-loss seasons (he did it last year in Seattle, "guiding" the Mariners to a 36-54 mark as they lost 101 games overall). The Nationals aren't going to be lucky enough to lose "only" 101 games; with a 26-65 record after last night's game they are on pace to lose 114 and win only 48. That would be the third-worst record in the expansion era; only the 1962 Mets (40-120) and 2003 Tigers (43-119) lost more.
The Nationals made two errors, making three of the Cubs' six runs unearned, and that was with their best starting pitcher, John Lannan, on the mound. Lannan's a lefty sinkerballer and those guys often tie Cubs bats in knots. Lannan made it into the seventh inning and pitched pretty well, giving up seven hits and leaving to a round of polite applause from the mostly bored Nats fans (who were nearly outnumbered by Cubs fans last night and I expect they will be outnumbered the rest of the weekend). Derrek Lee had two of those hits off Lannan and another off Jason Bergmann, including his 18th homer of the season.
The other real good story of the game was Rich Harden, who looked like the Harden we had the second half of 2008 -- he threw strikes (61 in 99 pitches), walking no one and striking out seven and giving up only an unearned run due to Koyie Hill's overthrow and error when Nyjer Morgan tried to steal second after bunting his way on in the sixth. Two groundouts later, he scored, and apart from a meaningless Ryan Zimmerman homer in the ninth off Kevin Gregg, that was it for any excitement for the Nats fans, most of whom had left by the time Zimmerman homered. I was a bit surprised, after the Cubs scored three runs in the ninth off what seemed like 15 Nats relievers that someone like Aaron Heilman didn't get up and start throwing, because once the save situation was removed, I figured Gregg wouldn't be as sharp as usual. It may be that he was working on some pitches, spring-training style, when he left a ball in the zone for Zimmerman.
(Yes, I know it was only three Nats bullpen pitchers, in reality, including ex-Cub Julian Tavarez, who reminded Cubs fans why we were glad he left after he had some histrionics in the dugout after Riggleman pulled him.)
Last night I was the guest of SB Nation, headquartered here in Washington, at the game (and thanks to Frank, a BCB reader, and his son, for taking the two extra tickets I had and also for the ride into DC -- glad you enjoyed the game!), got to meet some of the people in charge and also the tech team who are responsible for the great SBN platform that you all use every day. We got stuck in traffic coming to the game so arrived too late for me to take the usual walk-around I make of a ballpark I haven't been to before; I'll try to do that today. The impressions I got were decent, at first glance, though the park does seem a bit shopping-mall-like and from my seat in the Diamond Club seats behind the plate looking out toward the massive Jumbotron (I'll try to get a photo I took of that posted later today as a FanShot), you have absolutely no sense that you're in the nation's capital. The park felt so generic, I might as well have been in Cleveland. (No slam meant on Cleveland, either, in fact I enjoyed my trip to what was then the Jake in 1997.) I will say that the Nats employees working the area were very conscientious; they wiped down the seats not just with a cloth, but also with a bottle of some sort of spray cleaner, and made sure they stayed clean by asking a few people who attempted to put their feet on the empty seats in front of them to take them down.
So all told, this game was a really nice start to the first half; the ten hits got contributions from nearly everyone. I'm still a bit worried about Aramis Ramirez, who you can tell is still very tentative about really going all-out with his swing. But with the Cubs facing lesser pitchers than Lannan the rest of the weekend, good things can definitely happen by Sunday.
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I'd prefer we wait until AFTER the four game series ends before we use the term "hapless".
Just our luck, they’d WIN the next three and the CUBS would look hapless…
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Amen.
You're SUPPOSED to beat the Nationals
Having said that… it was good to start off the second half with a win. And clearly, if we pitch Harden at night against last-place teams, he’ll be great
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How many more times can we do that? Can he go tonite????
A quick rubdown, a sandwich and he’s “good to go” Lou!
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Amen.
I was surprised to see Harden's road/home era splits last nite.
2.59 on the road (before the game)
7.59 at Wrigley
A FIVE run difference? What the heck’s going on with him this year?
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Amen.
Good question.
In 2008, he had a 1.80 ERA at Wrigley (in seven starts).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The papers are reporting
That Harden likes the cool weather, so he prefers night games, which usually means road games.
Couple of issues with that.
1) It’s been freaking cold in Chicago. Even here downstate, it’s supposed to be 71 degrees on Saturday. (The wife announced that we should clean out the garage, since we can’t get in the pool! DAMN YOU FOR A FICKLE BITCH, MOTHER NATURE!)
2) He had a 1.80 ERA at Wrigley last year.
The sooner this clown is in our rear view mirror, the better. Wring whatever liquid we can get from his soggy arm and send him on his way.
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Does Rich need a 24 hour notice if the weather is going to change to?
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Amen.
to=too (also)
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Amen.
On the flip side...
I wouldn’t say it was a ‘“cool” evening here last night. Yesterday was the hottest it’s been in weeks.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope those numbers don't matter
In the second half. Very encouraging pitching last night!
Ok so we have to fix it so he only pitches on the road
and Ted only pitches at home. Works for me
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
The Nats beat the Yankees
twice in NYC. Their line-up isn’t terrible….but they cannot field. They beat theirself more times than not. That’s the difference between the Nats and the Padres. SD cannot hit at all. Their defense isn’t horrible.
The Nats, when they swing the bats and don’t make 3 errors a game can beat any given team on any given night. John Lanham pitched a decent game last night.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 17, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree 100%
Nyjer Morgan was at least a step in the right direction. Jim Bowden really put together a hodge-podge roster of headcases, bad defenders and a crappy bullpen. Lannan and Jordan Zimmerman are promosing young pitchers.
Also Al, the Nats tout their park as very eco-friendly (green),
so I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you see in that area once you get the full “Nats” ballpark experience…
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Amen.
Have the Nats brought Corey Patterson back up yet?
How much does it suck to have the Nationals send you down to AAA because you’re not playing very well.
by daeviant on Jul 17, 2009 7:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Lugnuts are looking for a CFer...
The prodigal son could return to the (for the moment-named) Oldsmobile Park…the site of some of his glory moments…
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Amen.
I had totally lost track of him
I thought he was still in the Reds system.
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I saw him play in the AAA all-star game
wednesday night in Portland. It was a great game. Even though the Int. League won. Score was 6-5 with a two run rally by PCL in the 9th.
by 100yearitch on Jul 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Besides Zimmerman, how do they decides who stays in the majors?
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 17, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How’s the Nats right fielder look?!
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by dtpollitt on Jul 17, 2009 7:19 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He K'd 3 times
but I’d still rather have him than Bradley.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 17, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice, if slightly warm evening last night...
I went to the game as part of a friend’s company party, replacing her husband, who’s had family health issues. (Her company is Lou and Kosuke’s representation…hence why they picked the evening.) We sat far higher than we ever have in the stadium before.
Her comment of the night to me, when gazing across at all the empty seats: ’Where are all of your people?"
I’ll be to the yard in time for BP this evening, however.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 7:29 AM CDT reply actions
Question about ballpark
They have a concession stand with food from visiting cities including a Chicago Dog. I’m going Saturday and well I can’t get a Chicago Dog in the NY area of course.
Has anyone tried it in Nationals Park? Do they use a poppy seed bun, Vienna Beef, etc. No joke this is probably one of the most important thing I need to know in regards to going to the game tomorrow.
If you find out, let me know....since I'll be at the game also :-)
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 17, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Harden
Just finished watching the highlights of Harden’s outing . . . wow did his stuff look nasty last night. His fastball seemed to have a lot more zip on it than it has in his last few starts. I supposed that is what a few extra days off will do for you.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
How does playing the Nat'ls give your fastball more zip?
You’ve made your point, yes the Natl’s are a bad team. Is it necessary to keep making this point? They play the schedule, good teams and bad. Harden looked good and it was a fairly easy win. Gwood’s comment was regarding Harden’s stuff last night, that has nothing to do with what team he was pitching against.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jul 17, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Harden
did make Adam Dunn, who is generally a good hitter, look pretty silly last night; striking him out all three times he faced Dunn. Twice on perfectly placed fastballs and the third time on a nasty changeup.
Maybe Lou’s plan for the second half of the season should be skipping Harden’s turn in the rotation every chance he gets to give Harden more rest. He seems to pitch a whole lot better when he has more rest.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
Sorry
striking out Adam Dunn is not a major accomplishment
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The fact that his fastball hit 95, 96 is though...
Along with the 86-88 mph change with location. He was good last night. Nats or not.
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The 23 pitchers he's hit Homers off of would disagree....
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 17, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
and his 190 strikeout pace this year would suggest
that it isn’t a very hard thing to do.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Why must you constantly piss in our cereal?
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 17, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm happy with the win
I refuse to believe Harden is back. One start against the Nationals does not a reliable pitcher make.
Wring what we can out of his arm and send him on his merry way.
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+1 million
He has a date with Ryan Howard and Chase Utley coming up.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Don't you think it was encouraging though...
That his fastball was topping out at 95-96 and not 91-92? He’s got a long way but it was nice to see that fastball fast. Makes that change that much better.
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Sure thats a good thing to see
But keep in mind its a road game against the worst team in baseball. He was coming off a nice long rest. Basically everything game together perfectly for him.
Lets see what happens when he has to pitch on regular rest against a better team.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I hear you...
Nats or no Nats. 95-96 with location and a 86-88 change with movement would be tough for anyone to hit.
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Well I really hope he keeps it up
Hopefully Lou’s plan to get him mostly road starts helps
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
The Nationals
hitters didn’t increase Harden’s velocity or improve the location of his pitches. Harden had his good stuff again last night.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
Not the worst offense, though
Give Harden some due. The Nats may be the worst team but they do not have the worst offense. They rank 5th in the NL in OPS and 8th in runs. It’s their pitching that is truly awful.
So, you ignore the evidence?
The fact that in spite of facing a less than stellar team, his fastball was FAST and his changer looked great?
The fact that, as has been discussed in this very thread, his troubles may have something to do with not playing well in Wrigley and that Lou is going to do his best to keep him pitching more on the road?
Find the silver lining man. The cubs won and a starting pitcher looked good.
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 17, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
And if we can wring a few more good starts out of him the rest of the season, so much the better.
But I have no interest in this guy long-term.
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They are still ML players
Some really bad…but still ML players. So any good outing is a good outing and hopefully he can build on it.
Rich Harden would hardly have to change much to be back
The main problems he had in the first half: walks and pitch count. He gave up an unusual number of home runs and an unusual number of balls dropped for hits against him — in stat geek terms, he had very high BABIP and HR/FB. For most ML pitchers, Harden included, those numbers fluctuate wildly month-to-month around the league average. From the numbers, and from what I’ve watched of his pitching, he’s been the subject of lots of flukey bad luck. He’ll be fine in the second half, and if he can throw strikes as he did today (doesn’t even have to be as good as today, just at his career average) he’ll be good!
three times in a row?
I think that’s worth noting.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure there are guys
working construction or selling cars right now who have struck out Adam Dunn three times in a row.
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No
But there are a LOT of major league pitchers who didn’t amount to anything that could.
The man is a strikeout machine.
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it is a positive thing that he struck him out. i don't understand your logic.
sure Dunn strikes out way too much, always has. but he is a professional major league hitter, and i would be thrilled if every one of our starters could strike him out 3x a game. i don’t think it is going to happen. Dunn can hit, and hit a long ways. it seems like you want to wake up a sleeping demon with all your comments about him not being able to hit construction workers fasballs
I realize that I was a bit esoteric there..so
There are likely former big leaguers who are now in menial jobs that can claim to have struck out Adam Dunn three times in a row.
I don’t consider striking out Adam Dunn to be the mark of a wondrous pitcher.
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i'm saying if he struck out 3x a game, he would strike out
450+ times a year, i just don’t see it as an everyday occurance as you seem to be implying. Harden looked damn good, if you don’t like him, you can just be glad his trade value went up. it means he isn’t “done”. i don’t care what team he was pitching against. i hope he pitches like that against the Phills, obviously they are better, but if he hits his spots you have seen what he can do in the past (last year)
I don't think he's saying it's a bad thing that Harden fanned Dunn 3X
I think the point is, that doesn’t mean that Hardnen’s back to 2008 form just yet.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
i am not saying he is. i am hoping he is rounding out and
becoming what he was last year….what is sounds like he saying is that anyone could strike Dunn out, which although Dunn does strike out a lot, doesn’t give credit to what Harden WAS able to do.
I see
you woke up cranky today.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
Upon waking, is there really a right side of the bed?
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by Clutch16 on Jul 17, 2009 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The changeup
Harden threw to strike Dunn out the third time was nasty and Harden had set Dunn up perfectly for that pitch with the previous two strike outs. It was a beautiful thing to watch.
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where did you get that
i didnt read anywhere in his post about it being because of the nats. it seems he was crediting the ASB more thanthe nats….
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
From the limited amount I saw online, his pitches seemed to have much more movement...
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Amen.
They had better movement and he kept the ball down.
93 at the knees if far tougher to hit than 93 mid-thigh. If Harden keeps the ball down in the second half, those homeruns will probaby come down and his numbers will improve.
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Works for me!
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Amen.
If we lost/lose to the Nats I *really* would've stuck a fork in the season
glad to see there’s still some life left . (Now I’ve gone and used up my cliche quota for the day!)
That's right, it ain't over till it's over. Never say die. If at first you don't succeed, try and try again....
Just sayin’ …
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 17, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Very odd quote from Lou after the game
Makes me wonder what they aren’t telling us
Harden had allowed 11 runs in his last two starts, causing concern about his lack of consistency. But pitching on the road and at night seemed to help.
“There are reasons for it,” Piniella said. "I’m not going to specifically talk about it, but if we can get him as much as we can on the road, you’ll see good performances.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Wow. That IS a strange quote. Lots of room for speculation.
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Amen.
Care to begin with your theories?
Mine is that he has a “steady” in Chicago who nags him and enjoys the “road meat.”
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Harden's day/night splits are as wide as his home/road splits
Day: 9 starts, 1-5, 1.76 WHIP, 7.38 ERA
Night: 6 starts, 5-1, 1.13 WHIP, 2.41 ERA
It wasn’t as severe last year, but he pitched better during night games in 2008, too:
Day: 12 starts, 3-1, 1.26 WHIP, 2.53 ERA
Night: 13 starts, 7-1, 0.90 WHIP, 1.68 ERA
Career wise he has a 3.83 ERA in day games, 3.16 in night games.
Clearly, there’s something about Harden where perhaps his pitches are more visible/hittable during day games than night games, and it’s worse this year. Maybe try to get him to avoid day games as much as possible.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
what do the MLB
numbers reflect?
I think all MLB hitters in total have better numbers day versus night. I wouldn’t know where to find that data.
This year hitters are doing about the same day vs. night league-wide
thank you
Good catch, Al
if the OPS for MLB hitters are virtually identical, then let’s keep Harden pitching at night.
Maybe day games take away 6-8 hours of extra body rest for him? Probably at the park by 11 am for the 1 PM games. And probably 5 PM for the night games. Who knows?
maybe the light
hurts his eyes? No, with the electric lights, it’s just as bright.
I did notice he wasn’t wearing his chain last night. Has that been gone long?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
In an effort to avoid work at all costs...I'll go first
1) Can’t keep mind off of losing Marshall Fields, much less the Sears Tower.
2) Siderodromophobia (Would have to check Minute Maid stats as well)
3) Walks guys in silent protest of the treatment of Yosh
4) Only pitches well after “turn-down” service
5) Cuts back in hard economic times by limiting PED spending to just his road per diem
6) Shares his Chicago condo with Kate Gosslin
7) Moonlighting at home by working nights at Burr Oaks
8) Had committed a lot of time to representing Bruce Wolfe and getting him a fill-in radio gig (27:30 here)
9) Has been working on his demo tape to leave for Elton
10) HWSNBN travels less these days
Loved that Burr Oaks one. LOL :-)
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Is that near Three Oaks (MI)?
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Amen.
oh Lou, why even say anything?
jesus christ his act is wearing thin for me.
Not talking about it, actually means not mentioning it as well.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that it is interesting he even comments on it...
It’s like that person in your office who comes to work in the morning and, unprompted, tells you that she’s really hung over (or that they didn’t get any sleep last night or ’don’t you just hate in-laws’ or whatever), all but begging you to ask……..so, against your better judgment, you ask, only to have her tell you that she can’t explain.
If you don’t want to get into it, why bring it up? Aren’t you bringing more attention to it and even fueling speculation?
are you assuming
that he just said that out of thin air? Obviously he was asked about it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I assume he was asked about why RH's splits are so different
But he could just say, “Yeah, we have to figure that out”. Or “Isn’t that odd.” Or “We’re working on that.”
Don’t have to say that there are “reasons for it” unless you want to explain the reasons.
ok, I guess. Except then people would complain about Lou not talking about why Harden struggles at home.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
he's STILL not talking about it
he’s saying he won’t talk about it, and being dickish about it to boot.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
well, alright. That’s an opinion.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you're making more of a deal out if it than Piniella is
I really don’t get the angst over this
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no angst over the situation
I just don’t like the way Lou handles issues dealing with the team in general, he seems to fan the flame when he doesn’t need to.
This is a symptom of that, hence why I said his act is wearing thin
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure, I can think of a few examples where that applies
I just don’t think this is one of them.
Seems that your frustration over his style in general is influencing your perception of this one (non) event.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
nope
his style in general is why this is an issue. I’ll grant it’s not a big one, as I said, it’s more a symptom than the actual disease, but claiming you’re not going to talk about it, then making cryptic comments (which is talking about it) is par for the course with him.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call it 'angst' for me, nor a pattern of behavior over his time here.
I just find it odd that he answered this particular question using those particular words. It was proposed that that was a curious response and I agreed that it was curious.
A standard answer would be protect the payer and say that this is just one of those quirky baseball things or maybe deflect and say that he’s actually pitched better of late.
Lou’s answer makes it sound as if he knows what the reasons are, he wouldn’t reveal them and they aren’t going to change, so we have to minimize his home starts….which would seem to me to bring up a whole mess o’ questions. Almost as if he is protecting Harden from what may be a damaging announcement. If he was, he’d be much better served to go with the ‘play dumb’ route.
I agree
And in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary I tend to believe it’s just a fluke. It’s certainly possible that there’s something about Wrigley, or day baseball, that gives Harden problems, but the extreme split this year looks pretty flukey to me.
especially in light of his numbers last year involving the same park
Again, probably getting too detailed, but Lou’s answer was to play him more on the road, not during the day…
Also adds to the ‘fluke’ thing IMO
well
it’s not like the answer is going to fool anyone anyway. During the game, Harden’s home/away splits were the topic of discussion for a while, including discussion of other pitchers who have such divergent splits that they were platooned.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
"Fooling" anyone?
Harden was awesome at Wrigley last year. Unless something tangible has changed WRT Harden’s ability to pitch at Wrigley or during the day or whatever, I believe it’s a fluke. I wouldn’t expect Lou to divulge whether there’s a reason or what that reason is, as it would only benefit the Cubs’ opponents, but since he hasn’t demonstrated a reason Harden can’t pitch at Wrigley Field I’m willing to bet he’d be just fine going forwards.
I'm just saying
that his answer wasn’t going to get people to say “oh, ok” and stop talking about it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The Ballpark
Al, perhaps you know this, but the park was designed by shopping mall developers. The Lerners own several malls in the DC region and that his how they see this facility. A entertainment experience for their upscale mall clientele.
It does make for a strange ballpark experience.
Yes, that was mentioned to me last night.
It definitely shows in the design — mall-like.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hmmm...
That really explains why my mom liked it so much when she visited last month, and why my brother was unimpressed!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I HATE the video arcade in the outfield bleachers. Kids should be watchin' the ball game and...
not playing video games.
My 10-year old likes the pitching thing to test your velocity, but geez, he should also be watching the game.
A lot of the bar people in the outfield don’t seem to watch the games either. Look, I dig going to bars and watching (and in the old days) hitting on women, but there’s a freakin’ ball game going on…pay attention sometimes! :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
BINGO
It doesn’t teach children good baseball-watching habits. The scoreboard bar even has televisions that are frequently turned to non-baseball events.
With the price of tickets at Nats Park, it really is throwing money away if you go to a game and spend your time not watching it.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Nationals Park
is no different than just about every new park in MLB. There are diversions (“Extra Value”) everywhere. Cubs fans sometimes take Wrigley Field and the experience for granted. It’s a carnival at most ball parks now. This is now the norm.
Wrigley is the exception.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 17, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed...
The Trop in St. Pete takes it to new levels. It seems like they add something different every year.
That doesn’t make it right, however.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
At some point this weekend, Al...
I’ll to show you the view of the Capitol Building they were constantly bragging about in the Season Ticket Info Packages and how they’ve completely ruined it.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
*have to
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, watching a game in the old Olympic Stadium in Montreal was like watching it in an airport hanger...
so I guess watching a game in a shopping mall is the next logical step in ballpark evolution.
Not. :P
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
you missed a step
watching a game at Miller Park when the roof is closed is like watching a game in a convention center.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
watching a game in 3 rivers was like
watching a game in riverfront.
Agreed
On the other side though, that stadium would be so much more attractive if it was downtown. You’d at least get a decent view of something when the roof is open.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 17, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
My wife and I saw the Cubs-Brewers game at Miller Park on Easter Sunday night
and we both liked the park. It would be nicer if it were downtown or closer to Lake Michigan, but as cold as it was that night, we appreciated the environment. And my wife got a web-kinz bunny as a handout, so we had that going for us too…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
I really wish Lou would stop using Gregg in non-save situations,
We already know he doesn’t fare well in those situations and it seems like he’s logging un-needed innings. I agree with Al, He had more than enough time to get someone else ready to pitch the 9th. Other than that nice start to the 2nd half!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
That was a situation that screamed for Samardzija
But as we all know Lou doesn’t use his bullpen like that. He gets into thinking that he has to throw his closer out to make sure they win the game, rather than trust that even somebody who is as bad as Shark can get three outs before giving up 5 runs.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Totally agree...
I know Lou would probably say, “Look, Gregg was up, he was ready, let’s leave it at that.”
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I watched Gregg as that inning went on.
The top of the ninth must have lasted 20 minutes. Once the Cubs started scoring and Riggleman went through two pitching changes, Gregg stood in the pen, tossing a ball up and down as if to say, “Aren’t you going to get someone else up?”
Heilman or Samardzija would have had plenty of time to get ready.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wondering why Gregg was being used...
Was it because he hasn’t pitched in a few days? I get that but should you really run one of the other guys in these no pressure situations?
The sun will shine in '69
I have to believe Gregg was being used
Because he needed to get work. But as Al said, it might have been overkill.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
And maybe he is unavailable for tonight...
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I'm pretty sure a closer can work two days in a row
especially when he’s had three days off.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
I know... It totally kills me when Lou does this to Gregg and Marmol.
It’s unnecessary.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
+1
I was thinking the same thing. There was no way Gregg should have pitched that inning. We may need him in the next couple of games and last night’s outing was totally unneeded.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 17, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Kevin Gregg is junk. I'm officially sick of him.
I told everyone watching with me that he was gonna give up a dinger. Well… first batter = warning track in deep left. Second batter = opposite field HR. This guy sucks. He’s given up 7 HRs in 41.2 innings now… and if there was a stat for near HRs on the warning track in the 9th inning, I’m sure he’d lead the league. Garbage. Total garbage.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
um...what?
i think he has pitched well out of the bullpen. he seems to get the job done, which is all you want in the 9th inning. he may give up a couple dingers, but he had a 5 run lead in the 9th, he was just trying to pitch strikes and get out of there
There IS a stat for near HRs on the warning track in the 9th innning
It’s called “outs recorded”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
wow
he’s doing pretty well at his job, which is save games. He had a four run lead. I’d rather he give up that HR last night then a closer game.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
With a 5 run lead, pitchers do
let the batters try to get themselves out. You do understand that, right? They let the batter put the ball in play.
The only problem last night was that Gregg shouldn’t have been out there with a 5-run lead.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 17, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed on the different outlook on an outing w a big lead
I was saying that to my wife from the time he came in:
“He just needs to throw strikes here”
That's fine and dandy
But…. in my observation, the guy gets hit hard… regardless of the outcome.
In two of his 3 blown saves, he’s allowed HRs. (vs Detroit and Atlanta).
In a game vs Houston at home, he entered the 9th with a 4-0 lead, and he allowed 4 runs on 2 HRs and didn’t record an out. Thankfully, we won it in the bottom half.
I just don’t care for the guy… and there’s been way too many times where he’s had saves that were aided by the wind blowing in at Wrigley, when someone has t’d off on him… to the wall or warning track. And similar occasions on the road, in bigger outfields. That doesn’t show up on the stat sheet.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
so u just said....he had 3 blown saves, right? the whole year?
who would you rather have as our closer?
Here read this
In two of his 3 blown saves, he’s allowed HRs
Does that sound anywhere near as awful as you’re making it?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
HOME RUNS!
in TWO of them! Out of THREE!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I am crawling out on the ledge now...
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
been a while since we've seen this guy

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have my closer
get a few pitches in to shake off the rust then put in a reliever who really should be back in AAA.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Can we please stop the trade DLee talk now? It's obvious that he is back to his old form
and he will possibly carry this team for a good while. He’s getting very little help from this lineup now. I hope that Aram regains his stroke soon. The Cubs have a lot of winnable games coming up and they could salvage the season in the next couple of weeks.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 17, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions
Now that he is hitting again...
Let’s but him on the market! I bet we could get a 6th starter for him (Doug Davis or someone of his ilk)? Maybe we can trade him for a utlity guy that we can cut in a month, you know as a salary dump or something
The sun will shine in '69
I don't think anyone has seriously talked about trading D Lee
In a while. I mean, there was that one clown who talked about dumping him and signing Carl Crawford, but no one credible.
Aramis talked today in the Sun-Times how he might be a singles hitter the rest of the season.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Well then it's time to trade him too!
If he can’t hit the long ball, he is no use to the Cubbies! “Chicks dig the long ball”!
The sun will shine in '69
Sure...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1670771,CST-SPT-gordo17.article
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I read that article too but...
took it more as. I’m not coming back TRYING to hit homers. I’m 80-85% and just trying to get my timing and strength back right now.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
uh
that’s not what Rami said. He said that he can’t make himself hit homeruns, and his power is less then he thought it might be.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
SBN still has problems with the "z" function
I just got an e-mail saying it’s isolated to Safari and that they are “working on it.” So if you’re suffering through this, you’re not alone.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I have been...
but it’s on an off. not all the time. When it doesn’t work, I’ve been taking it as, probably should get back to work.
Thanks for the update!
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I blame IE6 for any problems on the internet.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I blame IE6 for ALL problems on the internet
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Why stop at IE6
when you can just as easily blame Microsoft for everything that’s wrong with IT?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Cause we cant do anything about that
They are structurally better than anything else really. But IE6 can rot in hell and I am glad to hear sites like youtube are not going to support it anymore.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Youtube, owned by Google, maker of Chrome
I do love me some Google though. Fantastic designers. Good at social/technical policy change as well.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I love how Google's new OS
Has already been claimed as the greatest thing ever when all there is are a few screenshots. But I do love google so i really cant wait for it.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Firefox ftw
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
+1
Firefox with the AdBlock Pro plugin… i haven’t seen an ad on this here internet in over a year and a half.
(Sorry Al…)
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 17, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
But... but...
how are you gonna “cartoonize” yourself? How are you gonna find a mate?
:: brain exploding ::
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
How anyone goes online without adblock
I used someone else’s machine a few weeks ago to check my email. All they had was IE… it made my eyes itch.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Another key hit for Fuld
Actually his first off the bench. Can he please F(&^%%ing get ANOTHER start in place of
any of our subpar outfielders ? Yes I know small sample size so far but impressive so how bout letting him start two game in a row ? Johnson was OK last night but not good for leadoff. I think he saw two pitches in the first inning.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not totally sold on Fuld yet...
However, when he plays, something good usually happens.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
+1 But if he is hot, you have to take advantage
and when he is in the field, he always seems to make a damn good catch that our lazy outfielders would have given up on
It almost seems as if when Fuld plays great
Lou benches him because how dare he show up the 18 million dollar man
or the other underperforming outfielders.
Like I have said before I never saw him a regular starter but he is playing his ass off now and
we should indeed play the hot hand. You never know what might happen.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe Lou doesn't want another Fontenot
Players like Reed Johnson and Mike Fontenot were used selectively last year. They were played in situations where they had the best chance of performing. I.E., Lou actually used some players correctly.
So it’s possible that Lou doesn’t want to overexpose Fuld as the AAA player that he really is.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
That is silly
We are DESPERATE for a good lead off hitter. The Cubs could care less if the “ruin” Fuld
if they can get enough out of him NOW. He is not high on any prospect list so like I said
play him while he is hot. He is far more effective as a starter than off the bench and he should be getting a couple of starts per week.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You missed my point
Fontenot in 2008 was used primarily against RHP and had an OPS of .900.
Fontenot in 2009 was deemed the starting 2B and has an OPS of .665
Notice that Fuld has:
18 plate appearances versus RHP (7 for 15 with 3 BB)
2 plate appearances versus LHP (0 for 2)
So again, what I am saying is that Lou is using Fuld in situations where he can best succeed without being overexposed.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really
Ok if you only want to use him against RHP but Lou has not used him that much period.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
OK Jessica
Here’s my suggestion for you: next time Lou sits Bradley against a righty (because, apparently he can’t hit left handed anymore), then start Fuld in CF, and Dome in RF.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
That is one use
but Soriano is the one in need of sitting down more. So far Fuld has played for him
not Bradley but hey they both work for me.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
no doubt...i am with you....nobody thought Theriot was a starter a couple of years ago
i don’t think he is a world beater, but he gets the job done, and isn’t that what really matters?
Theriot is above average at a position (SS) that is in extreme demand
Makes our minor league development system look pretty bad.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
how does it look bad? he came up through our system....
a lot of our role players have. maybe we aren’t producing the stars, but Wells, Marshall, Theriot, Zambrano, Last year’s rookie of the year, Fuld, fonty (spent time in our system), Blanco, Fox, and the Hoff came up with us. i am not looking at stats, but some of them could have come over from other teams (Fontenot) but it seems like our system is underrated, we usually don’t have openings for everyday rookies to come up and prove themselves because we are trying to win now
It makes our development system look bad because they wrote of players like Theriot, Fontenot, and Wells
Theriot and Fontenot have both mentioned that since they didn’t look like ballplayers, they were somewhat written off.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
hmmmmm....i am not sure if they were ever written off.
what makes you think that? they continued to be promoted and made it to the show. was it slow? probably, but when Theriot first came up for a cup of coffee at the end of the season (05 i think) i didn’t think anything of him. he got some pt the next year, and i was a little impressed. i am not sure about Wells, but i think Theriot was like 24-25, which may be a little old, but some players develop later. I know Wells was left off our roster (40 man) last year, but Toronto didn’t seem to think enough to keep him. We obviously wanted to trade for Fontenot, so i dont’ think he was ever written off
I think Theriot also spent some development time trying to be a switch-hitter
I don’t remember whether that was his idea or someone else’s, but that was mentioned by Len and Bob a couple years ago. He never exactly lit up the minor leagues at any rate. He hit well in a 2006 call-up, then hit badly (above Cedeño level but not by a lot) as the starting SS in 2007. It wasn’t until 2008, his age-28 season, that he was a good Major League hitter.
I have to say I think the Cubs farm system gets a bad rap.
When the Cubs were affiliated with the Lansing Lugnuts, I saw a BUNCH of players that made it to the majors. Granted, not every one of them were stars, but they weren’t junk either. I’m talking about players like:
Corey Patterson
Carlos Zambrano
Juan Cruz
Francis Beltran
Steve Smyth
Hee Seop Choi
Todd Wellemeyer
David Kelton
Sergio Mitre
Felix Sanchez
Mike Wuertz
Jason Dubois
Jon Leicester
Brendan Harris
Ronny Cedeno
Rich Hill
Adam Greenberg
Jermaine Van Buren
Ryan Theriot
Sean Marshall
Angel Guzman
Jae-Kuk Ryu
Renyel Pinto
Carlos Marmol
Juan Mateo
Ryan O’Malley
Buck Coats
Jose Reyes
Felix Pie
Rocky Cherry
Clay Rapada
Billy Petrick
Jake Fox
Carmen Pignatiello
Casey McGehee
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
uh, no.
Lou isn’t benching Fuld. Fuld is a bench PLAYER. Cmon.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
the organization
wanted to give Fonty a shot. His numbers from last year supported that. I’m not sure that he’s been proven to NOT be a starter, given the difficulties he’s had to deal with, learning a new position on the fly.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not a starter
because he can’t hit a pitch from a lefty. That has nothing to do with what position he was playing.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
well, I understand that
and Miles was hired to platoon with Fonty against Lefties, I suspect. But Miles is a black-hole, and then Fonty had to go be the third-baseman.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
it all kind of goes back to the organization not putting Fox at third
That was a giant mistake that might have cost us a game or two.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I agree with that.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
also thinking Fontenot is a major league second baseman
or starting level position player of any kind
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
hindsight
is a lot of fun, don’t you think?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
except that I never thought Fontenot was a major league starter
caliber player, so it isn’t hindsight
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a starting 2B if you find a good platoon
I’ll take his .900 OPS last year against RHP.
I think people will be pleasantly surprised about the Baker/Fontenot platoon by the end of the year.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Baker will be somewhere else by the end of the month
He’s . . . well, he’s not very good.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be pleasantly surprised if we cut bait with both of them
otherwise they’re both going to continue to perform at a sub-par level
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
So Aaron Miles is your starting 2B?
Cutting Fontenot is asinine. Hard to take you seriously when you suggest things like that.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
should have been more specific
in cutting bait after the season. They will both be subpar this year, as they already have been.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Fontenot is a servicible utlity player
I was very pleasantly surprised at how adequate he was at 3B. Not good, certainly. Adequate, though.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 17, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
right
so you cut Baker and Fonty, leaving you with… Blanco, who is great but has no bat, or Miles.
Or is this a plot to get Soriano to 2b so Fox can play left?
Fonty did a pretty good job at third, and as a platoon player with Baker, has a chance to really get things going.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Soooo, Blanco has no bat
but Baker at .175, and Fontenot at .230 do?
Interesting
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
once again
it’s about upside. Baker and Fontenot both project as being able to hit better then they currently are (as is Fukudome and Sori and Bradley, and…)
Blanco is hitting about as well as he can. Like Hill, he’s not here for his bat. We KNOW Fontenot can hit better. And Baker is 4 for 12 in the last 7 days.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't KNOW Fontenot can hit better
nor, do I KNOW Baker will be better, his last four games aside. (I could swear when it goes against your argument you’re always the one screaming small sample size)
Perhaps this is what Fontenot is. you THINK Fontenot will hit better, because he did better last year. There are plenty of players who have one good season, and then bottom out.
For the record, I don’t think Blanco is the long term solution, but I find it funny when your argument against Blanco is a lack of offense, when you’re fully behind two guys who are combining to hit .222
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
no
my argument against Blanco is lack of potential. Even with Fontenot’s low production this year, he’s still a .270 hitter.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Drew
Fuld certainly projects as a bench player but right now he is playing like a starter while Soriano is DREADFUL. He should be playing for him for two starts a week UNTIL Fuld starts to cool and or Soriano starts to actually HIT. I don’t think Fuld overuns first like Sori
did last night.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano is trying too hard
At least that’s my guess. I’m not on the coaching staff and I can only speculate.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Soriano is too important to this team
Bench the Fuku-slide if you want, but the only way this team wins anything is if Soriano gets back on track. He can’t get back on track from the bench.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Sori didn't overrun first
he failed to see where the ball was going to be caught. Sori won’t get better on the bench.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
he's not getting better in the field
Not in any significant way, anyway.
it's not even that Soriano isn't hitting well
it’s the fact that right now, he’s pretty abysmal in all aspects of the game.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Aging Out?
In the “olden days” (pre PEDs) a lot of players careers really declined in their early 30’s. I’m wondering now that there is testing whether we are starting to see that with Fonzie? Here is a guy who was 40/40 just three years ago and was the fricking MVP of the All-Star game back in 2002 (or was it 2003?). And now a .230 hitter? Of course this also begs the question whether was another DR juicer too “back in the day”. I really hope I’m wrong and that this is some kind of mental slump.
I want my Macias!
My money stays on a knee injury
if he’s changing his stride at the plate, its probably changing his eye level. Which is why he’s getting fooled even more than ever.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
In the interest of accuracy
Johnson saw 4 pitches in his first at bat of the night, which resulted in an out. For the night, he saw 15 pitches in 5 at bats. When he was more aggressive, he picked up his two hits, singling in the 5th on the second pitch he saw; in the 7th, he had an RBI single on the first pitch he saw.
That said, Fuld did have a good at bat last night, and it was good to see Lou eschew the bunt for a hit-and-run. I don’t know that I’m ready to see him lead off, though.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
4 pitches is at least one more than Sori would have seen
but Fuld is clearly the best option for lead off. When you start him at lead off and he is not great then
we can talk. Right now he is great at leadoff so again TAKE ADVANTAGE.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you his splits look great right now.
Just take a look at how he has hit when leading off.
That said, with a decent lefty starting in John Lanaan, that’s probably why we didn’t see Fuld starting the game and leading off.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok if he goes tonight
Johnson is decent lead off. I just NEVER want to see Soriano there again.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be amenable to that
at least until Soriano enters one of those red-hot streaks, then I could envision moving him back to the leadoff spot.
With a righty starting tonight, it wouldn’t be too crazy for Lou to start Fuld, but my guess is that Fukudome gets the start instead.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
really
cause Sori walked in at least one at bat.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
In general, I thought Soriano's at bats were better last night
At least he was going deeper into counts and taking pitches, instead of hacking away.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
he's going oppo too
even with the baserunning mistake — he saw the ball sail over the head of the cutoff man but didn’t realize the catcher was right there — it was still not a terrible game for him.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Not terrible.
Maybe a building block game for him. I liked to see him running on the hit-and-run, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jul 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
the ball was thrown to home plate...
….how could he “not realize the catcher was right there”?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
he didn't see
where the catch specifically was. Maybe the catcher was bowled over by the runner. Maybe he had his back turned. Fonzie didn’t see him, and that was a mistake.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Lee was running and didn't even fake that he was trying to score...
He may have been 2 steps from third when the catcher got the ball. Total lack of awareness on that play by Fonzie.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
cmon, he didn't wander into right field and order a hot dog
so we’re all supposed to be encouraged that his base running blunder was only SLIGHTLY moronic
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Then, he made the mistake of...
running right back to the bag, instead of creating a game of pickle, so DLee could score.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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that I agree with.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 17, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Blanco is a superior defender
Although I’m not sure what you’re asking here…
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Has Fonty been seen in the last 4 games ?
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 17, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
no thoughts because Blanco was used earlier in the game last night, so Fonty was the only other 2b available.
I think Lou saw the opportunity to Score more runs and pinch it Fox for him in the 9th.
That’s why Fonty played in the 9th.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
He's awesome
I hope the Brewers pick him up.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
In other news,
it’s great to hear Dempster is healing quicker than thought. Sounds like he’ll be back sooner, rather than later.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
dang
now that song is going through my head. It’s actually a pretty good video. I’m surprised I liked it because I generally think more along these lines about bands like Backstreet. The end of the video is great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmeYOHmhxAk
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 17, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
ps
sorry if I creeped you out
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
you make me long for Rick
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh thank you!
I wasn’t gonna look for it.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Surprising as it may seem coming from a huge Alice Cooper fan,
but YES!
That song just makes me smile. My son got me so many times with faux Cub’s news that I now use it as my ringtone for him.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting news from MLB daily dish
1. Pirates Approach Jack Wilson and Freddy Sanchez About Contract Extensions
2. Did Selig Dictate All-Star Pitching Schedule?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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of course Bud set the ASG pitching rotation
The whole thing is a damn joke. That was two days of epic fail on all levels. Crap home run derby, crap game, the fans all went to sleep after Pujols left the game.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I really wish the used car salesman would just retire already
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Bud sucks
And so did the All-Star game. What a complete joke.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Selig thing is disturbing...
Furthers the argument that “this time it counts” is incredibly ridiculous from all angles. Each little thing like this moves me closer and closer to the camp that says NL fans should stuff the ballot to create the worst possible AL team and vice versa.
Also, from the same LA Times article, I enjoyed reading about Figgins and how he was honored to be invited and couldn’t be upset about not playing. Sounds like a good guy.
Wow, that Selig thing is very wrong.
If, indeed it does turn out that he has some say in who plays/does not play, it essentially makes the ASG worthless, something of a money-show for his office.
And if that is true, it should not count for anything because Selig, not the fans, say who’s playing in the game.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
what do you mean it MAKES it worthless
It’s been worthless for quite a long time. It makes it POINTLESS
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I meant to say.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 17, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
when will patton's 'rehab' begin?
have the cubs signed any draft picks this month? none listed on the cubs site.
he's off to the minors
to get over his ‘injury’
When rosters expand in September
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions

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