Comprehensive Jim Hendry Trade List

by ManBearPigMBP on Jul 18, 2009 8:39 PM CDT Comment 79 comments

Here is a comprehensive list of all the trades that Jim Hendry has made as the Chicago Cubs' GM. I found it on MLBTradeRumors.com but had to update it since the last version available was from July 7, 2008, and as you can tell, Hendry as been pretty busy since then. They got just about all the GM's in baseball if you are interested in looking at what other GMs have done. I mean, this is the man that got us Aramis Ramirezfor peanuts and Derrek Lee for Hee-Seop Choi!

Date	Traded	Received
7/31/2002	Darren Lewis	Chad Hermansen
8/22/2002	Tom Gordon	Ross Rohlicek and 2 PTBNL: Travis Anderson and Mike Nannini
8/25/2002	Jeff Fassero	2 PTBNL: Jared Nlasdell and Jason Karnuth
9/4/2002	Bill Mueller and cash	Jeff Verplancke
11/13/2002	Dave Noyce and Gary Johnson	Damian Miller
11/26/2002	PTBNL: Ryan Gripp	Paul Bako
12/4/2002	Todd Hundley and Chad Hermansen	Mark Grudzielanek and Eric Karros
12/16/2002	Derek Thompson	Cash
5/2/2003	Nate Teut	Cash
5/9/2003	Alan Benes	PTBNL
5/29/2003	Derrin Ebert	Chris Donnels
6/20/2003	Mark Bellhorn	Jose Hernandez
7/6/2003	Chris Donnels	Cash
7/23/2003	Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and a PTBNL: Bobby Hill	Aramis Ramirez, Kenny Lofton and cash
7/30/2003	Jason Fransz and cash	Doug Glanville
8/17/2003	Ray Sadler	Randall Simon
8/19/2003	Enmanuel Ramires	Tony Womack
8/22/2003	Tom Evans	Cash
8/25/2003	Phil Norton	John Koronka
11/25/2003	Hee-Seop Choi	Derrek Lee
12/15/2003	Damian Miller and cash	Michael Barrett
12/19/2003	Wilton Chavez	Jose Macias
3/25/2004	Juan Cruz and Steve Smyth	Andy Pratt and Richard Lewis
4/1/2004	Santiago Perez	PTBNL
4/1/2004	PTBNL	Kevin Tolar
4/3/2004	Todd Dunwoody	PTBNL
4/29/2004	Felix Sanchez	Joe Connolly and a PTBNL: Eric Eckenstahler
5/31/2004	Damian Jackson	Travis Dawkins
7/2/2004	Jimmy Anderson	Andrew Shipman
7/21/2004	Ricky Gutierrez	PTBNL
7/31/2004	Brendan Harris, Alex Gonzalez and Francis Beltran (Expos), Justin Jones (Twins)	Nomar Garciaparra and Matt Murton (Red Sox)
8/31/2004	PTBNL	Mike DiFelice
8/31/2004	Cash and a PTBNL: Andy Pratt	Ben Grieve
1/10/2005	PTBNL	Steve Randolph
2/2/2005	Sammy Sosa and cash	Jerry Hairston, Mike Fontenot and Dave Crouthers
2/9/2005	Kyle Farnsworth	Roberto Novoa, Scott Moore and Bo Flowers
3/26/2005	Travis Ezi	Mark Johnson
3/29/2005	Ronald Bay	Cliff Bartosh
3/30/2005	Cody Ransom	Cash
4/1/2005	Danny Klassen	PTBNL
5/16/2005	Mike Moriarty	PTBNL
5/28/2005	LaTroy Hawkins and cash	Jerome Williams and David Aardsma
7/18/2005	Jason Dubois	Jody Gerut
7/31/2005	Jody Gerut and cash	Matt Lawton
8/9/2005	Mike Remlinger and cash	Olivio Astacio
8/27/2005	Matt Lawton	Justin Berg
8/29/2005	Todd Hollandsworth	Todd Blackford and Angelo Burrows
11/16/2005	Jon Leicester	Cash
12/1/2005	Jermaine Van Buren	Cash
12/7/2005	Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto	Juan Pierre
1/9/2006	Corey Patterson	Nate Spears and Carlos Perez
1/25/2006	Cash	Angel Pagan
3/28/2006	Todd Wellemeyer	Zach McCormack and Lincoln Holdzkom
3/31/2006	John Koronka and cash (Rangers)	Freddie Bynum (A's)
5/31/2006	Jerry Hairston	Phil Nevin and cash
6/26/2006	Mark Watson	PTBNL
7/22/2006	Scott Williamson	Fabian Jimenez Angulo and Joel Santo
7/31/2006	Todd Walker	Jose Ceda
7/31/2006	Greg Maddux	Cesar Izturis
8/20/2006	Neifi Perez	Chris Robinson
8/31/2006	Phil Nevin and cash	PTBNL: Adam Harben
11/16/2006	David Aardsma and Carlos Vasquez	Neal Cotts
12/6/2006	Freddie Bynum	PTBNL: Kevin Hart
12/7/2006	Josh Hamilton	Cash
2/13/2007	Jae Kuk Ryu	Andrew Lopez and Greg Reinhard
3/29/2007	Tomas Perez	PTBNL
6/20/2007	Michael Barrett and cash	Rob Bowen and Kyler Burke
7/4/2007	John Nelson	PTBNL
7/15/2007	Bo Hart	PTBNL
7/16/2007	Rob Bowen and Jerry Blevins	Jason Kendall and cash
7/19/2007	Cesar Izturis	Cash
8/23/2007	PTBNL: Clay Rapada	Craig Monroe and cash
8/30/2007	Buck Coats	PTBNL: Marcus Mateo
8/31/2007	Rocky Cherry and Scott Moore	Steve Trachsel
11/12/2007	Jacque Jones	Omar Infante
11/13/2007	Craig Monroe	PTBNL
12/4/2007	Will Ohman and Omar Infante	Jose Ascanio
1/5/2008	Angel Pagan	Ryan Meyers and Corey Coles
7/8/2008	Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson and Josh Donaldson	Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
11/13/2008	Jose Ceda	Kevin Gregg
12/11/2008	Cash	David Patton
12/31/2008	Mark DeRosa	Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer and John Gaub
1/6/2008	Jason Marquis	Luis Vizcaino
1/18/2009	Felix Pie	Garrett Olson and Henry Williamson
1/30/2009	Garrett Olson and Ronny Cedeno	Aaron Heilman
2/2/2009	Rich Hill	PTBNL
2/2/2009	Michael Wuertz	Richie Robnett and Justin Sellers
5/8/2009	Joey Gathright and Cash	Ryan Freel
6/2/2009	Alberto Alburquerque	Jeff Baker
6/8/2009	Ryan Freel and Cash	PTBNL

Poll

What was the better trade?

Aramis Ramirez for Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and a PTBNL: Bobby Hill

381 votes

Derrek Lee for Hee-Seop Choi

145 votes

Tie

161 votes

Other

12 votes

699 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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thanks dude

this is straight up ca$h!

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 18, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

what about the earth-shattering

rocky roquet to oakland for (yet to be named) PTBNL? late spring training 2009 iirc.

by tim815 on Jul 18, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fontenot for Sosa, awesome

great list, impressive work.

no clue that’s where mike fontenot came from. so that got my vote of “other”. getting rid of Sos’a contract and cancerous attitude for a player of the like of what Mike has turned out has been, well, awesome.

by sunshine31 on Jul 18, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately...

…the Cubs did eat a big chunk of Sosa’s contract in that deal.

"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko

by LaddieRenfroe on Jul 19, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually know David Crouthers

real nice guy

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by Worf on Jul 19, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As awesome as the Ramirez and Lee deals were,

the most impressive was unloading Hundley and getting Grudz and Karros in return. That’s addition by subtraction (Hundley) while at the same time getting two good players and outstanding teammates. I remember hearing about it and thinking, “Man, the guy’s a wizard!”

"Any old kind of run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by MannyTrilloFlipsTo1B on Jul 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Grudz

is Polish for “Mark DeRosa”

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by Worf on Jul 19, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didnt I post this earlier, without some of the trash moves

ahh yes I did….

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/3/6/783335/best-trade-of-the-decade-f

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 18, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

feel better now?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 19, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The "trash moves" are what makes this post worthwhile...

…because reading the name “Jermaine Van Buren” made me smile.

Still, the poll is essentially the same, as well as the results (if you give Lee a bit of credit for the “tie” option). I wonder if the Ramirez/Lofton trade would get more votes had the question been asked in late April, before Lee started hitting and before Aramis went on the DL…

"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko

by LaddieRenfroe on Jul 19, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was being a smart ass

as I said in the other posts where people were moaning about the Ryan signing or Lugo DFA, I do not care if the same thing is posted numerous times, and I figured BCBers would get the irony of my comment and laugh, not take it serious..

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if only we would have kept josh hamilton...

before the reds swiped him up in the rule 5 draft then dealt to tx for edinson volquez. we would not be having any arguments over BOTH kfuk and milt. perhaps only one of them

by ryno23hof05 on Jul 19, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have to post this every time Josh Hamilton's name is mentioned.

Maybe THIS time I can put it to rest forever. There was NO way Hamilton was to become a Cub. Teams do this all the time in the Rule 5 draft — pick players as courtesies to other teams. Hamilton’s history was well known and he had played only a handful of games above A ball. The Reds took him because they employed Johnny Narron, a family friend of Hamilton’s who was going to keep an eye on him.

If teams reneged on gentlemen’s agreements like this one, no one would want to deal with a GM who did such things. I repeat, THE CUBS WERE NEVER GOING TO PICK JOSH HAMILTON FOR THEMSELVES.

Incidentally, David Patton became a Cub in much the same way. Guess who picked him for the Cubs? That’s right, the Reds, probably returning the Hamilton favor.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why do teams do that for each other?

yeah, it’s courtesy, but was someone going to swoop in and snag patton before the cubs had a chance? when the cash swap is made, is there a ‘little extra’ in it for the team doing the friendly? i get the premise, but why are the cubs and reds helping division rivals?

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

… I think the Cubs did it that year because their pick was so low that pretty much guaranteed the Reds they’d get him. Further, so few Rule 5 picks actually make it, much less succeed in the way Hamilton did, that teams figure it’s no big deal.

I suspect if you had asked baseball people after that draft if Hamilton would stick around a whole year on the Reds roster, the number of people who would have said “yes” would have been zero.

About Patton — same thing, the Cubs drafted low because of their 97-win season last year and asking the Reds to take him first was a “return the favor” courtesy.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On that Reds team, I think it was a given he'd stick.

They were going to bury Hamilton on their roster one way or another. By mid-March, it was pretty clear he was going to be a Red.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right.

But on the 2007 Cubs? No way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 22, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did Angel Pagan break camp with that team?

They had Soriano allegedly in center, paired with a couple of mediocre (Jacque Jones), and oft injured (Cliff Floyd) corner outfielders, and the backups were nothing special. (Murton, Pagan, sometimes Theriot, Daryl Ward)

I can guarantee that if Hamilton had the same 2007 camp he had for Cincy, he would have gotten Pagan’s roster spot, or if the team had any vision whatsoever, the 13th pitcher’s spot. You tend to find places for former #1 picks who hit .400 with huge power in the spring.

Especially because it was becoming abundantly clear at that point that Alfonso Soriano was never going to hack it as a CF, and Hamilton could play the position better than anyone who wound up on the roster.

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by D98 on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if that cash

we got for hamilton bought hendry something nice

by Frozen Toews on Jul 19, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

aaron miles' stint

in iowa on rehab

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hendry

hits and misses. the biggest miss?? selling josh hamilton to the reds. i know it was a prearranged deal but picture that bad boy playing half his games at wrigley.

by NOMAR on Jul 19, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUGH!!

I give up. See above about Hamilton.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

deep breaths al

deep breaths

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right.

Still….

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if nothing else

It wouldve been nice if Hendry had enough foresight or bravado to take that risk himself

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No clue

The Cubs were trying to contend. The Reds were a last place team so they had nothing to lose. The Reds had one of the family friend Narrons already ready working in the organization. It was a perfect situation.

by rlpete on Jul 19, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know that

but they can risk on a guy like Patton in a season full of playoff hopes, one can wonder why they didnt try the same on a former number one overall pick.

Im not arguing it wasnt the best move for Hamilton, obviously it was, just curious as to why the Cubs didnt take the risk themselves.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well given Hamilton's past,

and the lack of a close, personal friend of his within the organization, do you really think the story would have turned out as well as it did?

I know Hendry is viewed as a player’s GM and the Cubs have rolled the dice before on checkered pasts, but I don’t really see anything special within the Cubs organization that tells me Hamilton would have had the special support and guidance he needed. And although certainly not in the Cubs’ employ, can you imagine what Mariotti, Rogers, et al, would have written? Ay caramba!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 19, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Given Hamiltons convictions, Id say yes

I think youre underselling his personal strength/conviction by saying he couldnt succeed w/o family friends w/i the organization. You dont comeback from what he did and in the fashion he has w/o a wealth of personal conviction/will power, and yes it always helps to have friends, but we’l never know how he couldve done here and I dont think its fair to assume he couldnt have b/c of the personnel in the Front Office, or lack thereof.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one could have known

he had that kind of strength/conviction or whatever.

I’ll never blame Hendry for not taking a crackhead.

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by Worf on Jul 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

Whats the risk, if he was a distraction or couldnt hack it, you send him back to TB for whatever that charge is, 500K or something like that? Id say it wouldve been worth the risk for a guy of his talent who was only 26 or so at the time.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy to say in retrospect

2007 was Piniella’s first season. There were numerous other things to be worried about. Adding an ex-drug user was not a good move then.

by rlpete on Jul 19, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree.

By 2007, Hamilton had been drug and alcohol-free for about 2 years, and was pretty fanatical about his religion/clean living regimen.

It wasn’t a secret – he’d been on “Flip This House” talking about his born-again lifestyle and dreams of getting back into baseball. He publicly discussed how he was taking 3 drug tests a week and how he looked forward to them as an affirmation of his commitment to sobriety and Christian living.

He was widely regarded as the biggest name in the Rule 5 draft in years – and the Cubs had the opportunity to take him, but gave him away for $50K.

I know we like to talk about the Narron connection, as though that were the only thing keeping Josh on the straight and narrow. It’s just not true. In fact, after about 6 months in the Reds organization, he was off to Texas, which was Narron-free, but where he really blossomed.

Hendry had a golden opportunity, and he passed. I don’t think it’s out of bounds to point out how much of a missed opportunity it was to sell our pick to the Reds for $50K with Josh Hamilton on the board.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I won't dispute any of what you wrote...

…but if all these signs were readily apparent, why didn’t Tampa just keep him? Granted their farm system was pretty loaded with young talent and they were on the cusp of being a really good team, but if Josh Part II was such a golden opportunity, I’m confused why Tampa just didn’t keep him and become that much of a better team.

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by ballhawk on Jul 21, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few reasons.

First, and probably foremost, I’m assuming that there were some players and/or coaches in the Tampa organization who’d been directly burned by Hamilton’s actions, and probably a lot of anger and hurt feelings.

Secondly, I suppose that the Rays just thought that they were loaded with young outfielders, with Crawford, Delmon Young, Rocco Baldelli, BJ Upton, Jonny Gomes, and Elijah Dukes on the 40-man, and that it was too much of a risk to have him around all their volatile young guys like Elijah.

Also, was he approaching 6-year minor league free agent status? He would have been, unless being on the MLB restricted list tolled that deadline.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

take it a step further

when the cubs are sub .500 in june of 2007,
with hamilton on the bench, doing nothing because we have other guys playing in front of him,
would you have said “suck it up, hendry. keep him on the 25-man roster. he’s gonna be great.”

hamilton would not have broken camp with the team in 2007. the reds would have snagged him.

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or, had the Cubs kept him and taken him to camp...

… he would have been returned to the Rays.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He hit over .400 in that camp.

He would have made the 2007 Cubs. And with Jacque Jones and Cliff Floyd holding down OF spots, Hamilton would have gotten plenty of PT, and would have been very easy to keep on the 25-man roster. Especially if he got hurt, as he did in 2007.

Don’t you guys remember all the OFs we played in 2007? Pie got into 87 games. Murton. Pagan. The big trade for Craig Monroe.

The Cubs would have been well-served to tell the Reds that they were declining the offer for a gentleman’s agreement, and were going to see if Hamilton could turn it around in their organization.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they Cubs were sub .500, wouldnt that be more incentive to see what the Kids got?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sam fuld gets shipped to

the minors while soriano swings at junk. you tell me.

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's 137 Million Dollars of player you are talking about

And, he stays.

Again, the influence of Fantasy Baseball.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sam Fuld isnt in the same Universe as Josh Hamilton

so theres no real parallel

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jul 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and

two game winning home runs. But, you know. Whatever.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 19, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Too bad the Cubs didn’t draft Halladay, Pujols, Roberts, Beltran, Reyes . . . .

It’s easy to say after someone succeeds that a team should’ve gotten him. How many other teams had a chance to pick up Hamilton and didn’t do it?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only two other teams passed.

The Cubs had the #3 pick in the Rule 5 draft, which they sold to the Reds for $50K.

The reason why this is a particularly galling missed opportunity is that we weren’t dealing with a “unknown quantity”. Hamilton was a super-super prospect, who was a former drug user.

We passed, despite the fact that we were absolutely CF-less, and were expecting Cliff Floyd, Angel Pagan, Jacque Jones and later Craig Monroe to play our OF.

There was room for Josh Hamilton. Hendry should have taken the risk.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you could make

a link on the main page. “Why Josh Hamilton Went to the Reds.”

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 19, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I might have to, someday.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jul 19, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sad

just sad. People seem to forget the history that surrounds a move when the move didnt go theri way.

I dont haer Philly fans talking about Sandberg being traded and how it hurt them (for example)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 20, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think people are making 2 different points here.

Al continues to note that the Cubs had a pre-draft deal to sell our pick, if Hamilton was available, for $50K. That is, of course, true.

Others are saying “why accept that deal?” That’s also a valid point! Why, going into 2007, would the Cubs be unwilling to accept a windfall like Josh Hamilton falling into their laps in a no-downside situation?

We all know what happened – he tore the cover off the ball in spring training 2007, and that was that. The Cubs’ 2007 OF was a mess – we were expecting Alfonso Soriano to play CF, remember! We were employing Jacque Jones and Cliff Floyd as our pre-season corner OFs, for crying out loud.

Why not throw Hamilton, who the Cubs knew had been straight-edge sober since 2005, into the mix, when the opportunity presented itself? Getting both Vitters and Hamilton with the amateur and Rule 5 #3 draft picks would have made up for the 2006 nuclear winter of a season that earned us that draft position.

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how about

because if you break an agreement with another team, no one will deal with you again?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AND...

he’s a stinking crackhead

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by Worf on Jul 21, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for adding that insight to the argument. It was really helpful.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No problem

I like to keep it real

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by Worf on Jul 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that you're following.

Obviously, once you’ve agreed to trade the pick for $50K, you can’t renege on the deal.

I’m saying – why make the deal in the first place? Why not take the opportunity for yourself?

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by D98 on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, I see

Well, I don’t know. Has anyone in the Cubs organization ever talked about it in those terms?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that's a valid question.

I don’t know what the answer is.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not long ago

it was Dontrell Willis who was the one who got away (so to speak), people forget when these two were shipped out they were nothing special in our minors, and happened to catch on elsewhere.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that Clement and Alfonseca were key parts of the 2003 run

Well, Alfonseca was the key to something anyway

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by Worf on Jul 19, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yuppers

each time a “stuck in the minors, going no where with the Cubs” type of player is moved, he has the chance to be a good player elsewhere and the next “we gave up to soon” topic

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is the worst of all...

The Cubs drafted Lincecum in 03 in the 48th round, and never signed him.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some other interesting tidbits we drafted and didn’t sign Khalil Greene, Taylor Teagarden, Matt LaPorta, and Micah Owings. We drafted Andrew Cashner twice and also used fairly decent draft picks on future NFL draft picks Quincy Carter, Antwaan Randel El, and Matt Mauck.

I wish baseball used the draft like hockey does.

Draft guru in training.

by tj.hendricks on Jul 19, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball used to have a draft and follow rule

for players that went to Junior College but that rule was gotten rid of in the last contract.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, well, the biggest mistake was that Hamilton guy....ROFL

by DudeVf11 on Jul 21, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the Reds really made out like bandits on that one.

/facepalm

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

head

desk.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 19, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dumb question.

So where are the names of the PTBNL?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

we have 3 still due.

orioles (hill)
a’s (roquet) unlisted
royals (freel)

all are supposed to be named within 6 months. the o’s one should be due within a month, if i understand protocol.

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the spots listed above with PTBNL

just haven’t been updated?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if a PTBNL isn't named

cash is exchanged and it’s final.

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've tried finding

guys who are PTBNL but just can’t find any, most of those trades still just say “as part of conditional deal” with no player named, i tried the cubs site and baseball-reference.com and neither have who was named

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by ManBearPigMBP on Jul 19, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if nobody is named,

there is a ‘prior agreed to amount of cash’ sent. the amount is not made public.

f’r’instance. if for ryan freel, the royals offered four player options, they would have involved a potential ‘cash amount’.

a. 3B prospect from low A ball
b. OF prospect from middle A ball
c. Catcher in instructional league in venezuela
d. setup man on team at club’s training facility rookie league locale.
e. $ 8,000

the cubs would have six months to choose between the five options. if no selection is made, the cash option is selected. in the history books, it would go down as PTBNL, not $8000.

no link. that’s how i undserstand it.

by tim815 on Jul 20, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For instance, if we traded Miles

the options would be:

1) an 80-year-old ball “boy”
2) Recycling money from all the cans used in Section 481 from the April 17 game
3) Oreo Cookie Blizzards for all the secretaries
4) 20 seconds of a lap dance at Scores (30 seconds if you let the other team pick the girl)
5) $17.91

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 20, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What ever happened to Adam Harben?

Wasn’t he on our 40-man roster for awhile??

by sheamcmurray on Jul 19, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he was released late in 2008 when we

added a person to the 40 man requiring it. coulda been casey mcgahee.

by tim815 on Jul 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe he had Tommy John surgery

after the Cubs acquired him. Not sure where he is now.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 21, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember when I thought the only downside of the Nomar trade

was whether Francis Beltran would be a stud reliever

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the ramirez deal is better than the lee one

because we also got Kenny Lofton who was a stud in 03 and was a bigger reason than a-ram that we almost made the world series

by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jul 19, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hendry is really one of the better GM's

when it comes to trades. Juan Pierre and the Derosa trades being the exceptions, but still a solid track record. When it comes to free agents signings, I really feel his is one of the bottom 5 GM’s.

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by MJMars on Jul 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Aardsma for Cotts

At the time, I thought this was one of Hendry’s better deals.. Doesn’t look very good now.

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by sweetswinger on Jul 24, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs