Biggest Cub Killer?
by Andre Fonseca on Jul 2, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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During lunch the other day a self important fan who i will call 'Steve Hagino' was drooling all over Albert Pujols and how great he was. I mentioned that Albert has not been that terrible to the Cubs over the years and that Carlos Zambrano actually has held him to a low batting average.
As a cheap shot to my friend: even though Steve has been a fan for a long time he only recently visited Fenway to see a game. Anyway I digress; this lead to a discussion as to who the biggest Cub Killer was today. The names Fielder, Carlos Lee, Albert Pujols, and Corey Patterson all came into the mix. just kidding about the last one.
I personally thought Carlos Lee probably has the career Cub Killer numbers but that Fielder has the more recently better numbers. So for discussion purposes I am going to define Cub Killer as that guy who puts the dagger in a certain game, who puts the L in the L flag, not necessarily the guy with a statistical advantage but the guy who just terrorizes our already torturedfanbase :-) Vote early and often....
Yes i purposely left off: Milton Bradley and the Gatorade Machine- technically that would be a Cub suicide.
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Stats to save you the time
06-09 numbers vs cubs
AB_____ H____HR____ RBI____ SO____ BA____ OPS
Alberto:
184___ 52____13____ 39 ____ 23____ .283____ .900
Fatty McBocaBurger
172____52____13____ 33____ 42_____.302____ 1.014
El Gordo
148____49____13____ 28____ 17_____ .331____ 1.040
Now i don’t believe in stats (unless they back up my point) so this is still open to discussion. The biggest number here is Als Ks which he has more against Cubs pitching than any other team the last 3 years.
Definitive Answers to Impossible Questions What baseball team did A. Lincoln support?
by Andre Fonseca on Jul 2, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which ones Fatty and which is El Gordo?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Jul 2, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is....
Adam Dunn?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here.
Lifetime stats vs. Cubs:
.260/.398/.614; 38 HR in 373 AB
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 2, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
I know you and i were in the same boat on this one but look at his stats AT wrigley:
.286/.419/.664 23 HRs in 217 ABs.
Dont forget and OPS of 1.083.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 2, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
There is no doubt in my mind that Dunn, who never misses a game, could have had a monster season in the Cubs lineup this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 2, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone knows Dunn
is a clubhouse cancer- why take a risk on a guy who bounces around from team (cincy) to team (az, nats). I’d rather have the rock solid Milton ‘no regrets’ Bradley!
Definitive Answers to Impossible Questions What baseball team did A. Lincoln support?
by Andre Fonseca on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm tag removed by SBN
FYI
Definitive Answers to Impossible Questions What baseball team did A. Lincoln support?
by Andre Fonseca on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, let me help.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you say that...
Back in 06, before a game, like hours before, Dunn was out playing catch with a football. Him and another player were running routes and having a blast. When i talked to Dunn he seemed about as laid back of a guy as could be. I would have guessed he was perfect for the clubhouse.
(i did note your sarcasm, so i wasnt going against what you were saying, i was in the support role for you)
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 2, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is Adam Dunn
I Clubhouse Cancer? He played with Cincinnati his whole career, he gets traded at the deadline and then AZ doesn’t want to resign him, so Dunn signs as a FA with the Nats. I believe you have Milton and Adam confused considering Milton has been on about as many teams as the Cubs have won games this year
by Frozen Toews on Jul 2, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was being sarcastic
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee...
No doubt about it. Pujols is obviously the best player, but he hasn’t really killed us like you’d expect.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 2, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee...
but since he left the pale hoes, Jermaine Dye has taken over as the Cubs Killer.
by jselinger24 on Jul 2, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Alexei Ramirez
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 2, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson
If we can bring pitchers into this I think he’s dominated Cubs more than anyone else.
by ak123 on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean 13-0
Against a team is good? Or a 1.84 ERA.
:- )
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 2, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt haven even known this
Had one of their last meetings not been on ESPN. You know those kind of telecasts….the ones where they mention one fact over and over and over again.
by ak123 on Jul 2, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
They do that, really?
I am sure at some point Joe Morgan said he either got a hit off Randy Johnson, or that he taught Randy everything he knows.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I also Rec'd
Mostly because I like when people reply to my posts :)
by ak123 on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck
by kentmeister on Jul 2, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Randy would always
seemingly send the Cubs into a week long slump- it was like he hypnotized the entire lineup. I think this is why Lou sat the starters vs Lincecum earlier this year… no post-stud psychological slump…
Definitive Answers to Impossible Questions What baseball team did A. Lincoln support?
by Andre Fonseca on Jul 2, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That worked like a charm, didn't it?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cub killers in recent history
I was glad to see Biggio and Bagwell retire (Berkman is still a Cub killer) and for Mike Lowell and Nate McLouth (emerging Cub killer) to leave the division.
by rgonzale on Jul 2, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When was Mike Lowell in the NL Central?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think ever
florida and boston are the only teams of his that come to mind. maybe another team before florida? i don’t think so, though
by murphymj on Jul 2, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops!
Meant Lowell to leave the NL, McLouth the Division.
by rgonzale on Jul 2, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clarifying.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Finley
not sure of his stats against us but I always remember him killing us one way or another.
1993 maybe? a game vs the giants and Rick Wilkins was the batter… he hits what would have been a home run if Finley didn’t rob it. (I was 9…. and that’s my first impression of Steve Finley)
I also remember him killing us when he was on the DBacks just a few seasons ago… it seemed like facing the Cubs turned his season around.
by FloridaCubsFan on Jul 2, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee - but Freddy Sanchez
is starting that trend as well…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 2, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now the dreaded "Cub Killer" is whoever is on the opposing mound.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Going Into the Wayback Machine
I would say Bobby Bonilla and before him Mike Schmidt.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 2, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Walk
Uh, I know, he’s not exactly someone who had to be worry about having a plaque in Cooperstown. The Cubs seemed to have all kinds of trouble with him for some reason.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 2, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Walk, best name ever for a pitcher.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 2, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
Grant Balfour better.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good but I like David Riske better
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one, Jessica. At least his first name isn't Homer.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know The Cubs only have to face him 6 times a year but
Could we give Paul Konerko a dishonorable mention in this list?
54 Games 57 Hits 14 HR 38RBI .294AVG .567SLG .913 OPS
by Galvan316 on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rusty Staub
or Andre Dawson when he was with the Expos.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
by copes006 on Jul 2, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawk's (2) 3-Run HR's in Same Inning
It was back in 1985 that Andre hit two 3-run HR’s in the same inning for the Expos against the Cubs at Wrigley Field.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk
Do you know if there is any footage of this on the ’net somewhere?
by TheHawkRules on Jul 2, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
September 24, 1985
This is the box score. Dawson hit 3 HR’s in the game altogether, but hit two 3-run HR’s as part of a 12-run Expo fifth inning.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 on Rusty Staub. That's the first name that came to mind when I saw this post.
Some additional former players include Gary Carter and of course the ultimate Cub killer Steve Garvey.
"I'm just giving the fireworks guy time to re-load".
~ Former Pitching Coach Billy Connors
by Bears31765 on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daily Double
Luis Gonzalez and Jeff Blauser for their efforts against and as Cubs.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jul 2, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carl Everett
He killed the Cubs: .369/.421/.671/1.092, with 10 HRs and 41 RBI in a mere 165 PAs.
"You know, you should be a lot more careful crossing the street like that, otherwise you could die - if that bothers you."
by gauchodirk on Jul 2, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he pounded us into Dinosaur times
but for that to happen, he’d have to believe in Dinosaurs first.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Jul 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Braun
and hopefully Dempster gets a little pay back tonight for that little jog he made at Miller Park few months ago. I hate the guy with a passion even more after the other night playing the Mets, running home after he came all the way around to score on a few errors on the play and takes his helmet off before he even touches home. But he is still a damn good player.
by Eric16 on Jul 2, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not yet
But I have feeling as years go by…Braun will be the biggest Cubbie killer ever.
by ak123 on Jul 2, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is one thing we can agree on
Everyone in the NL Central hates Ryan Braun. Even Brewer fans hate him deep inside, even if they will not admit it.
by Salti Cracker on Jul 2, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love him on the Cubs
Only because he’s going to be around for a very long time.
by ak123 on Jul 2, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quinn of the spiders
always seemed to hit for the cycle against us.
by tim815 on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny Sanguillen.....
…on the Pirates in the 70’s. I think he got his strike zone judgment from watching tapes of Yogi Berra and then bequeathed it to Vladimir Guerrero.
by roost66 on Jul 2, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he learnt a bit from clemente
who could triple on an intentional walk attempt. not a rip, clemente was it.
by tim815 on Jul 3, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Abreu...
used to kill the Cubs.
In 57 games against the Cubs, he hit .332, with an OPS of 1.115, 16 HRs and 56 RBI.
Glad he’s in the AL.
by Wildpitch on Jul 2, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Jim Hendry count as a Cub killer?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 2, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay
i would have traded for this guy instead of signing soriano.
by hoppy91 on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The Brewers have Braun and Fielder, the Astros have Lee and Berkman, and the Pirates have Sanchez. I’m not sure about who all on the White Sox could be termed “Cub killers,” but I guess Ramirez, AJ, and Dye could compete for that spot, as well.
by Pre on Jul 2, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Schmidt
is the biggest Cub Killer of ALL TIME. These 3 jokers don’t even compare to the Hall Of Famer, who demolished the Cubs singlehandly even when the Phillies were brutal.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 2, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why did boudreau
mispronounce his name? it wasn’t smith.
by tim815 on Jul 3, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Boudreau's pronunciation sounded more like "Smit".
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like
Craig Counsell and his cockamamie swing seems to always come up with big hits against the Cubs. I may bo over-noticing it because I think he’s an asshole though.
Quick Counsell story. I have a friend who was waiting tables at a mexican restaurant near Miller Park. Counsell and some buddies came in, stayed for hours, had a huge bill, acted like jerks while they were there. The friend was nice the whole time and took their abuse. When it came time to pay the bill, he paid it but left no tip. He told her, and I am not makiing it up, that her tip was the priveledge of serving him, Craig Counsell.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet.
I now have justification for my previously irrational hatred of Craig Counsell.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols because he is the best player the Cubs face by a wide margin
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But he doesn't particularly kill us like the others do
by Pre on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, have you actually looked at their numbers vs the Cubs?
I did not look at their respective numbers before my earlier reply, but I did look them up fater your post. You should, I bet you will be surprised.
As for the original question, I looked at the question another way: if the Cubs were one out away from a WS berth, which guy would you least like to see in the batter’s box: Fielder, CLee or Pujols? I don’t really care what the career numbers of each guy is against the Cubs, I would MUCH rather pitch to either Fielder or CLee than Sir Albert.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 3, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One question about this scenario...
Is first base open? If so, then my answer is none of the above.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jul 3, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one
How about Josh Beckett when he was with the Marlins. How many games did he pitch in the 03 NLCS? 3 or 4? It honestly feels like 4 because it’s hard to imagine the Cubs completely folding to another pitcher like Josh Beckett. Sure there’s Randy Johnson, but in what could have been our finest hour as Cubs fans, it was Beckett who stood in the way.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Jul 19, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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