First Pitch Thread: Cubs vs. Phillies, Monday 7/20, 6:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2009 6:00 PM CDT
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GO CUBS GO!
Let’s take out the Phils!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
Toast
Cubs are toast tonight unfortunately. Ted just doesn’t have it. We will get them tomorrow.
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 20, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Phillies come back from huge defecits routinely especially at their place.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 20, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Step 1: Get the Phillies in a huge deficit
Step 2: Do no allow them to come back from said deficit.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 20, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers Pirates game is delayed....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
Eschewing ESPNHD
for Len and Bob on EI…only because Comcrap’s ESPN feed has been weird today.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
vitorino runs down everything. remember last year?
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 20, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
fukudome does that quite a bit
his linedrives are up quite a bit this year, but his BABIP is down (last i checked, a few days ago). time for that luck to turn around
I wish Pedro had started this game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Soriano: hot? or not...
Soriano is a bottom feeder. His current “hot” streak correlates with facing poor pitching. Sort of the mirror image of a Derek Jeter or Manny Ramirez. He might fatten his individual numbers, but he’s not gonna help the Cubbies win the big ones.
I don't get this argument.
Aren’t the majority of MLB hitters bottom feeders? This is the reason why aces are aces.
Give me specific examples with numbers to back it up.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Did they really just compare Lopez to Maddux?
And poorly at that?
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
They need to make that...
a separate category on the scoreboard for Phils games…R H E RBV (Robbed by Victorino)
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you, Victorino!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions
::holds breath::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Victorino steals 2 bases from us....
and gives them to his team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
Lilly doesn't look so good so far, obviously.
C’mon Teddy!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Got lucky that hit his glove
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Um...Lee is a Gold Glove 1st Baseman....
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing against his prowess
But he flung the glove out there and it happened to fall in the pocket. It was a reaction play that could have gone quite badly.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
whatever....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
3U
Runners hold
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That was smoked! Nice job DLee!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
There are no "Road Caps"
This season, they got rid of those god-awful red bills. You’d think we got Cleveland’s rejected order from American Needle.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Do you want me to call your mommy?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude...mind your own business!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
someone's a little bitchy this evening
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
at least i'm not peeing my pants over the oppositions lineup....
yeah, I’m I little grouchy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like the fear was deserved
a single a double and a home run from the guy Hendry passed up for freaking Milton freaking Bradley
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still not scared.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I see you're taking Drew's spot as the guy who refuses to see reality tonight
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying I'm not concerned about a 5 run deficit...
but let’s at least be reasonable and not say we’ve already lost in the 2nd inning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
they were talking about the cubs players slicking their hair across on the radio
did any of you guys see the hairdo’s on tv?
Len was talking about
all the comb overs in the club house today. He mentioned Demp and Hill. Most of the guys have their hats on so can’t really see their hair.
K's Howard
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions
I get that vibe too...
only because it was grey and overcast and not ridiculously hot here in DC today.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You did it!
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
This is gonna be a long night
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Oh yeah Hendry
See what he can do? I bet you feel like a genius for signing Bradley now.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
and this guy's a lefty! Nice choice, Hendry, you puddinhead!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
We could have signed him instead of Bradley.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
Right
Strangely enough, Kevin Gregg may actually save Hendry’s job.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
why would Kevin Gregg save his job?
one decent move this offseason in a sea of terrible ones?
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Or not
I don’t think one bad offseason should get a GM canned. He missed on Bradley, but got it right on Gregg.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
He also missed on
DeRosa and Miles…
But I agree he shouldn’t be canned.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
I;m not saying he SHOULD be canned
but I don’t know how Gregg erases a plethora of bad moves. I guess I am saying he should be canned……
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
he got it wrong on Derosa, he got it wrong on Miles, he got it wrong on Bradley
he signed Dome to an insane contract he signed Dempster to an insane contract. He’s made a lot of baaaad decisions the last two years, how does Gregg save his job?
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
By getting the save in Game 7 this year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Imagine what that bullpen would be without Gregg
Marmol closing? I hope you have a lifetime supply of antacids.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Are you under the impression Gregg has been lights out?
and caused no stress? Cuz I would have to argue vigorously against that.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been pretty good outside of the first month of the season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you watched lately?
Gregg has more than proven why he won the closer role in Spring Training.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The Cubs can get three runs back
At least I’d hope they could tonight
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Unrelated to current action
But I keep seeing mlbtraderumors.com put up that the Reds may move Arthur Rhodes. Any chance the Cubs would be interested/have the goods to make a deal for him? Seems like the kind of piece that we could actually afford to add payroll-wise that could actually help us.
Raul Ibanez could have...
…dressed like a chicken instead of hitting the homer.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
With a WS Trophy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
They still let the wrong team leave Philly
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Their fans...
really piss me off.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
terrible pitch by lilly
why does he continue to think he can blow his fastball by hitter?! He throws one before that for 2-2 so Raul can gauge it, then he throws another one right down the middle?! duh…it’s the same thing he does for Chris Young of the Dbacks.
Sorry, I'm trying to forget that he's been our best pitcher for the last 3 years....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember two games last year where lilly did the same thing
let the first couple of guys on, got the next two out without giving up a run and then gave up a three run jack.
Against Colordo I think Helton hit the homerun.
Against Atlanta I think Norton hit the home run…anyone else remeber that.
Oh please.
If we can’t hit Rodrigo Lopez we’re in more trouble than a 3 run homer in the first.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
we should be able to hit the guy
but that was a very deflating top of the first.
You really think Lopez is going to throw a no-no?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
all he has to do is not allow 3 runs
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
All it takes is one
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
You didn't even comment on my Ibanez dressing like a chicken post
That was more fun.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Well, this game could be better
but I’m okay. Packing for California. How are you?
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
That's so 2008,
but I still enjoyed it.
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
TWHS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This game isn't really fair and should be played under protest.
The Philadelphia team is using a SS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
Lou would probably agree
I hear he has petitioned MLB to add a 4th outfielder. He saw a softball game and thought it was a good idea.
God I Hate ESPN
"No enemy is more dangerous, than the enemy that has nothing to lose." Mark Grace
by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Jul 20, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
Oh, you're just too grateful
It’s annoying. Of course, I’m just kidding.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Didn't take them long to talk about the curses
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Lou is wearing a mic tonight?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you're being stupid.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And if the Cubs won this game 6-5?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
we scored 11 runs yesterday.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The mighty Phillie pitching staff?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington isn't an expansion team either
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically, they are
If you still consider them the Montreal Expos…
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The Phillies have the 13th worst ERA in the NL
and the 12th worst WHIP and have given up the most HR in the NL
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Though I will say
We’ve seen this offense go to sleep quite often when they score a lot of runs on the previous day.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
You sure it wasn't...
…that I would be demanding money for you to swear? You’ve been doing that by yourself.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I curse a lot
I’ve got a major potty mouth, but I don’t use it here at Al’s request.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
That really sounds like fun
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Yeah!
I’m game for it.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
for YEARS they've done that
another one of those weird things that have spanned multiple administrations
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly's ERA is gonna take a big hit here
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Seriously you guys
This is a whole lot more fun than the game.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
+10000
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus possible knee problems?
Yeah. Never a good combination. He might be taking one for the team tonight.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Perhaps Ted wasn't healthy enough to start tonight's game....
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
When did we, as Cub fans, just flippin' GIVE UP this easily? It only the 2nd farking inning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions
I haven't given up either.
But I’m sort of glad I’ll have to follow the later innings in my car.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
and it's already 5-0
we’ve all seen this movie, and it rarely ends well
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly... I wonder what the percentage chance of winning is here...
it’s definitely possible, but the odds are very bad.
http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?gameid=290720122
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 20, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
8%
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 20, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
watch
We will score 6+ tonight. The only question is if we can hold them down the rest of the way
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2009 6:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I may go play NCAA Football 10 later
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
did he make you a deal?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly
Fly ball pitcher in this phone booth of a ballpark. If they faked lillys injury to have him pitch here…
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2009 6:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Why would they fake it?
They know Lilly is a fly ball pitcher. I’m sure Lou would have preferred to use him in Washington.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Yo, Ted
The idea is to get the other batters OUT. Just in case you forgot.
Also
Try not to throw thirty pitches every inning.
Lilly gave up plenty of HRs before this knee things was brought up
I have a hard time blaming it on that. More like he is facing a good team that is hot in small ballpark
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
That's a big part of it
Now just imagine if they were still playing in the old Baker Bowl. That place made Chuck Klein look like a god.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Just think
Our 10 Million dollar RF is sitting on the bench taking hitting lessons after 10 seasons in the majors!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
nope, the guy we didn't get because we got Bradley is playing a large part though
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's BS
The reason the Cubs didn’t sign Ibanez is that he cannot play RF. Period. No arm, no range, would have been ugly. Bradley, for all his warts, has been a RF for most of his career. End of discussion.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
it's not the end of the discussion
because Ibanez has played right, and Bradley has not been a rightfielder his entire career.
Just because you act like you know what you’re talking about doesn’t mean you do
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 20, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Ibanez in RF
You can argue all you want, but the stats say you are wrong.
In his career, Ibanez has played a total of 152 games in RF, none since 2005 and only 11 since 2003. His arm and range are not satisfactory in RF. He was not going to be a Cub unless Soriano changed positions or was traded.
As for Bradley, since leaving the Dodgers in 2005 he has primarily played LF, with the exception of 2007 when he played LF for 40 games for the Padres.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
bench strength
Because if this hypothetical player was on the bench instead of Bradley, Ted obviously wouldn’t be giving up gopher balls.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2009 6:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Once again, I point to Tiger Woods
Your mechanics get messed up sometimes – Milton needs help and is getting it. Tiger Woods pays his coach a lot of money to help him keep his swing perfect.
forget it...
… the whiners are rolling.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
As Arnold would say
“Stop whining!”
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Wyatt
I am rolling
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 20, 2009 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
bah. ridiculous.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 20, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's looking like a short outing for Lilly tonight...
already 5 runs, and closing in on 60 pitches through two innings. Hopefully he can settle down and at least get through 5
You're out, Victorino!
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Victorino == Cedeno
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
As much as I truly despise his performance in a baseball field,
Aaron Heilman could be serviceable in long relief if needed.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
As president of the Aaron Heilman Sucks Fanclub,
I don’t ever want to see him pitch. But if it’s a blowout, I believe he could hold the bullpen out for at least three innings, thusly not wasting good arms.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
That would be a really long 3 innings
and against this club? I’m betting it would be 12-14 runs later…
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
At least 20-1 before putting Heilman in
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Please don't tell me that
It makes me muy triste to have made you suffer.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Heilman against the Phillies
is conceding. Really. They will annihilate him (when he isn’t walking them).
The Phillies can really hit
and are hot. It’s not a team you can get away with an “off night” on, as a pitcher.
That was a lucky break there...
CSN’s angle wasn’t really clear if Riot actually tagged him. But the ump gave us the call, so I’ll take it.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
The ump called Victorino out of the baseline...
not a tag out.
Yep...
Len and Bob confirm it. Zigzagging will get you once in awhile.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 20, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice dopey play by Victorino, tho
You have the big guns up — why steal? Let them mash, put the game way out of reach.
Hit it where they ain't
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I think Orel is right about the Victorino play...
I don’t think he was “out of the baseline.” but we’ll take it.
it was bad call I think
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
This season
The umps apparently will call you out on any close SB plays , like that one.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Did the ball beat him to the bag?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It looked like it did
But Riot didn’t get the tag down in time
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Milton Bradley
Can’t be called out because he’s sitting on the bench making 10 million
Go Cubs Go!!!!
be a good time for a homerun.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
Here's our chance to get back in the game
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Single and a walk
1st and 2nd, 2 out, D-Lee up
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Single White Leadoffman?
j/k
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
He does that all the time...
when he’s playing SS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
work calls me away for 15 minutes and it gets reallllllly unpleasant in here :-(
It never gets to be easy
Right down the pipe!
Thought he was gonna crush it.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Well, crap
A new thread might help: JUMP!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
man, i hate to hear them talk about how many homeruns this place gives up.
we’ll get shut out.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
What was Hill doing in his last AB?
The pitcher is due up next and he didn’t swing at a single pitch… what is he hoping to accomplish? The coaching staff needs to tell him that he swings at the first good pitch and there were 3 4 seamers in a row right down the middle of the plate that he watched go by!
Soriano
Hey Soriano,
I guess Lou didn’t tell you…you were supposed to play last night!
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