Carlos vs. The Old Man: Cubs vs. Phillies Preview, Wednesday 7/22, 12:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 22, 2009 10:30 AM CDT
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PHILADELPHIA -- They put the scoreboard in the wrong place at Citizens Bank Park. It's behind the left field stands -- which means that not only is it not visible from large swaths of seats, but it blocks what would have been a really nice view of the Philadelphia skyline that you can see in the photo I took before last night's game. Granted, there were low clouds blocking the view, but on a sunny day, that would have been a really nice vista. From my seat in the LF corner, you have to crane your neck to see the board. They put some of the information available there on other boards, but it's scattered around and hard to fix your eye on one place to find it all.
The board should have been placed in center field, where more people could see it.
Now, on to this afternoon's game, which the Cubs really need to win to complete a successful road trip. (It'd be nice to see the bats get going today, for one thing.)
When Jamie Moyer made his major league debut as a starter for the Cubs on June 16, 1986, coincidentally against the Phillies, the Cubs' leadoff hitter was Davey Lopes... who is now the Phillies' first base coach, and who turned 64 years old a couple of months ago. A couple of Moyer's current Phillies teammates, Cole Hamels and John Mayberry Jr., were not quite three years old when Moyer pitched in that game, a 7-5 win... against Hall of Famer Steve Carlton, who is four months older than Lopes.
Site note: I will be leaving to drive back home to Chicago (stopping overnight near Pittsburgh) right after today's game ends... thus this afternoon's recap will be delayed until I can get to my hotel room.
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Jamie Moyer has been around long enough to have a hitter -- Alfonso Soriano -- have 50 career AB against him (.220, 4 HR). Derrek Lee has three doubles against him in eight AB, and today would be a good day to get Milton Bradley back in the lineup -- Bradley is 7-for-20 (.350) vs. Moyer with a double, a triple and 2 HR.
Carlos Zambrano is 3-3, 3.38 in seven career starts vs. the Phillies. Players currently on the Phils' active roster are hitting only .202 against Z (19-for-94) and none of them has homered off him. Z has kept his HR down this year -- only seven allowed -- and as I have often written, Z seems to be most successful when he has his heavy sinker working and gets more ground balls. Hopefully, that will be the case this afternoon.
The Cubs are again on WGN this afternoon. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Phillies site The Good Phight.
Overflow comment threads will post today at 1 pm, 2 pm and 2:45 pm CDT. Apologies for the third overflow yesterday -- it was supposed to post at 8:45 pm CDT, but I accidentally scheduled it an hour later. Thanks to clutch16 for posting the overflow-3 fanshot.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Moyer
Light en up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that old guy is way too serious.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Like to see
Baker, Fox, Johnson and Bradley in the lineup
Soriano will be lost, Bradley will force Moyer to pitch him. Zambrano might jack one as well.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I'd rather not see Bradley
but I know he will be
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
This mentality is getting old.
He is struggling, but we’ve got him and we’ve got a lot invested in him. He isn’t going away, so we may as well put him in against somebody he’s .350 against and see if he can get it going.
I’d rather not see players doing poorly as well. I’d love to field a team full of .300 hitting guys who play perfect defense and help old ladies cross Addison after the game. That isn’t what we’ve got. Hoping to NOT see somebody who the cubs are stuck paying a lot of money to for quite some time on a day where he may be able to contribute is redic.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
by that logic
we should keep playing Miles
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really...
… the team pays Miles $2.2 million in 2009 and $2.7 million in 2010.
The team pays Bradley $5 million this year, in 2010: $9 million, and in 2011: $12 million.
We are 6x more invested in Bradley, and for a greater period of time. Bradley shows promise and has a history of, at times, pretty incredible play. There is a difference and you know it. One is worth trying to salvage (i cringe saying that, as he’s been not NEARLY as bad as many haters on here would like to claim) while the other could never been heard from again and nobody would notice.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
don't forget the bonus we've already paid. $4M I think?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
here's to a 5-2 road trip...
go get ’em Z!!!
here is some good news from Gordo
Dempster threw sim game couple days earlier than planned, could start sunday if thurs x-ray good.
I missed this morning's festivities
Who’s ready to slit their throats? Who’s saying “I told you so”? Who’s optimistic? Meh, I already know… Never mind.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
It is getting pretty crowded on the ledge.
I’m worried we may lose a few to bad footing. Such a shame, considering we are smack dab in the middle of a very winnable division.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Without looking:
BLou: “This is a 79-win team. I’ve given up and so should you. Lou’s an idiot.”
dewishdewid: “I know better than you. This team will go all the way and if you don’t agree with me, leave because this is baseball. I am a true fan and you’re not for saying [such and such about a certain player].”
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
with all respect
I’ve never said any of that.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
he was obviously paraphrasing
but he got the sentiment right
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
of course
you think that.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
It always is
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
you mean because you actually accused me of being a non-fan
because I wasn’t happy about the loss? Yep. I have first hand knowledge
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
no
you’re a non-fan because you predict failure and root for it.
I’m on to your game. You’ll deny it, but there it is.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
yep, I’ve followed the Cubs for 30 years as a non-fan
sweet sweet pollyannas
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
uh-huh
BLou has “followed” the cubs for 30 years too.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
people like you crack me up
if we don’t root for the team in the exact same way as you, we’re not fans. Luckily I don’t base my fanhood as how you see it.
Believe me or not, it matters very little to me.
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
you don't "root" at all
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
it's interesting that your side is always the one who claims others aren't fans
I on the other hand, understand that there are different ways of being a fan
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect
I went back and read those game threads, and you and the other guy were predicting the Cubs to lose, and actually telling Drew he would be wrong. The other guy then went on to request that Drew admit he (the other guy) was right that the Cubs would lose. Honestly, I think for a fan to out and out want the team to lose just so they can be right is pretty tacky, and reeks of someone being on the bandwagon at one point and now jumping off.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
mas⋅och⋅ism - [mas-uh-kiz-uhm, maz-] - noun
Gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one’s own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Drew got sick of pointing out how right he was and wrong BLou was so I guess your next WW. B/c you can’t be a fan if you wonder about how they’ve struggled.
B/c in his 10 years of fandom he knows more about how to cheer for them better than us
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
if people were
cheering, it wouldn’t be a problem.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I love Soto
Serously last summer I was going to start a webpage for my fandom. This season I still love him. I refer to him as my boy. But he has struggled in the first half. I said he did. Just like I would watching a friend play softball in real life.
That is my idea of being a fan. For you to question how much I love the Cubs…….. is one of the reasons the board isn’t as much fun as it use to be.
When I want to state my opinion about someone struggling I am a hater. In my 20 plus years of being a Cubs fan…. besides you no besides you has ever question my fanhood in real life or on a message board.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
not at all.
there’s a big difference between saying “someone is struggling” and “this team sucks, they can’t win, there’s no way they can contend, Lou is an idiot, Bradley is garbage”, etc, etc, etc.
Tell me where I’ve questioned your fanhood. Show me. I haven’t done it, because you don’t DO the things that people who really don’t give a darn about this team do.
The game threads on this board when the team is losing are Lord of the Flies. It makes me physically ill. And I resent the fact that a place that was created to CELEBRATE the Cubs has turned into a place to HATE the Cubs.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
'bradley is garbage'
is not much removed from ‘bradley is struggling’. a bit more expressive perhaps, but that’s it. the vile fanpost from last night is a different level. but the cubs have been struggling, have been stinking up the joint, and have been sucking.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
And yet somehow remain only a breath from the division lead.
See? Gray area. You don’t have to be on the ledge, calling everyone garbage and lobbying for Ricketts to bulldoze the Cubs and everyone involved.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
but if one really thinks the best method
of repairing the club would be to dismantle it, then that certainly doesn’t make him or her less of a fan.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes him or her ill informed, though.
$100 million dollar teams are not “dismantled”. NTC clauses and un-tradable contracts aside, you just don’t see teams like the Yanks or Red Sox rebuilding after a “bad” year (by their standards). They try to plug the holes and win again next year.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
it wouldn't happen all at once.
the farm system and scouting certainly needs to be improved, and i don’t think calling for an overhaul there is a bad idea; furthermore, the philosophy behind the big league club is also proving to be incredibly inefficient and i would argue that it also needs to be revised.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!
See, now that sort of comment is insightful and well thought out. You are right… we have a tiny scouting department, and the cubs minor league system needs work. Well put.
Now, consider the average BLou “fire everyone, they are all garbage” comment and note the difference. That is what is annoying.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
the message is the same; the rhetoric is
different.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
… one is worth everyone’s time, the other isn’t.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to bulldoze them
But I think they are damn lucky they aren’t in west or east. B/c here they have a chance to get hot in September and make a run.
But in my heart of hearts did I think they’d pull it out. I hoped so, but with RISP I seriously had doubts. I wish I didn’t. Really I do.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
the “true fans” are the ones who are never find fault with anything the Cubs do and continue to mindlessly cheer.
Losses don’t phase the “true fan”.
The rest of us are obviously not "true fans’ because we’re bummed out when the Cubs lose.
I’ve been living and dying with the Cubs since 1971 but, since I don’t mindlessly cheer for everything the Cubs do, I’m obviously not a “true fan”.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a true fan because I hate Ryan Theriot.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
You can’t be a “true fan” you love all Cubs-they should be like your children.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
sue-ish.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
and we have to be reminded of it EVERY SINGLE TIME the Cubs lose
It was cute at first. But it’s gotton old,
My cousin has a 4 year old and if you don’t play right with her dollies.. .she stomps off b/c you aren’t playing right. Her mom is teaching her to be more tolerent. So that when she goes to school next year she doesn’t get into fights.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
There are shades of gray...
… and it doesn’t seem like Drew is lashing out at anybody who sees them.
Its the black and white “either the team wins every game, leads the division, and sweeps through the playoffs or they suck and should be blown up” posters that get his wrath. BLou, posting the same 15 sound bites about the failures of this team repeatedly for the better part of this season will wear on anybody.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess it's all in how you look at it
I understand that constant negativity can be a little wearying but, at the same, time, I find it equally annoying when people bend over backwards to never point out any flaws-and many of these same people have an annoying tendency to hold themselves up as better fans because they’re not critical.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But i don’t think he’s ever pretended to be a better fan of anybody who seems to legit care if the cubs win or lose.
Without naming names, we all know who only shows up after a loss. We all know who won’t acknowledge a good game or series. At least Drew is here win or lose, contributing new thoughts and ideas, rather than just lamenting the poor showing this season. Everyone is far to hard on him for his positivity.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
sure he does. he thinks he's a real fan because he has faith.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And he's wrong?
I’m not saying ANYBODY here isn’t a real fan. I’m not even trying to have the “who is a fan” debate. I’m not sure what your point even is, in fact.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i was simply addressing your first claim.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think that's accurate.
he gets on anybody with a pessimistic attitude.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not from what i've seen.
He gets on anybody with a pessimistic attitude who neglects to back up their pessimism with facts, who refuses to see the positive when its there, who only shows up when things are bad.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
guess it depends on what facts you're looking for
He claimed we battled the Phillies to a standstill, and should then be happy about last night. We didn’t actually do that, we lost. Is that backing up his opinion with facts?
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not say that
I said:
While it stunk on ice to lose last night
we fought the hottest team in baseball to a standstill last night. Sure, we didn’t find a way to win, but neither did they, till Spellcheck made one mistake.
We’ll get ’em today.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yes. but they did find a way to win.
and it was on a rocket.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the part where I say
but neither did they, till Spellcheck made one mistake.
I’m not happy about yesterday’s game. But to deny that we played better yesterday then we did the day before is wrong. I think it’s better to take SOMETHING positive away from a loss then it is to wallow in the depression.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
SHADES OF GRAY.
There was a silver lining in last nights loss. Ignoring it is irresponsible as a fan.
If the team wins, and one aspect of the team fails during that win, it is discussed. Why should the opposite not be true as well?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
last night was emblematic of the season.
the pitching was very good; the offense was very bad, and lou was again suspect. run of the mill.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This
or those who are pessimistic right out of the gate. A better example is the crowd who thinks the Cubs can’t win before the game even starts, or if the opposing team scores a run in the first inning.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 22, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I still get a chuckle thinking about the..
… “this game is OVAH” game thread. I don’t even remember the game or the opponent or the score, i just remember several proclamations of the games ovah-ness in the early innings, and those proclaiming it failing to be around come the 8th inning as the cubs rallied to win.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not necessarily pointing at any one person here
But, at the same time, it’s not up to any one person here to make the the call on who’s being “Too pessimistic”, etc.
As long as people don’t resort to persoanl attacks, I say all opinions should be respected.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 22, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not worried if we lose a few.
More beer for the rest of us!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I was told there would be no math.
But lemme at that beer…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Save some Shipyard for me.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jul 22, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
If it means more beer...
… i’m willing to start pushing.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Just how far (and who) are you willing to push?
Is that your hand I see on the right, going for her knee? Sweep the leg, Andy! Sweep the leg!!! ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I HAVE to get up to that thing.
All the photos look incredible.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
A day game.... huzzzzah!!!
As the resident old-country fan, I support 6pm games compared to midnight or later!
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
Days better in Germany too
Ah, a 7:05PM start here in Germany. Sehr gut!
OTOH, sometimes I can listen/see the last part of some games between 6 and 7 AM while I get ready for work.
Funny bit with Moyer
Last night Phillies scoreboard ran a little thing with players being asked who should play them in a movie, some chose guys who looked like them others guys they would like to look like ( Charlie Manual wanted Gary Cooper to play him) but Moyer’s choice got the biggest laugh, the late Jim Varney aka Ernest and there really was a resemblance.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
I hope "Ernest does something stupid" today
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Like give up 11 runs in the top of the first.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
The Cubs can go on a 5-2 road trip with a win today
Not bad at all. Maybe some of us overreacted yesterday.
People overreact after every loss
But it’s never good to lose a series.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Last night had some "special" overreactions
I assume at least one poster is no longer with us.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, we only play the Nationals 3 more times.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Wittenmeyer
Mark it down: Bradley back … In the lineup. Cubs vs. Moyer: ReJo, Riot, Lee, Rami, Milty, Sori, Baker, Hill, Z.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
no fox again.
he would be good against Moyer. Soriano is going to be mystified.
fox likes fastballs, i just don't know if he likes 80 mph fastballs
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano likes fastballs too
but WE knowhe doesnt like soft tossing crafty pitchers. Hope Im wrong, I think we need to see Fox’s bat more.
yeah, likely to be an ugly day for soriano.
he doesn’t do well against crafty.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Fox likes facing righties.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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don't like it at all.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
At least Koyie Hill's legs probably aren't tired.
And don’t they always say that as the legs go, so goes the swing?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jul 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
There was really...
No swing to “go”.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
He had a couple decent swings late night, I'll grant him that.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Hill going to have any knees left?
Starting 14 hours after catching for 13 innings. Sheesh.
I can see not wanting to use Fox unless necessary, but I’d consider a day game after an extra-inning night game “necessary”.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
definitely.
lou continues to baffle me.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hill's offense leaves a bit to be desired...
but I got to give him credit for all these innings and still calling a good game last night
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't baffle me, he's not a good manager
bad managers make bad decisions
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I was reminded the other day
That not only did Lou not get a 97 win to the playoffs… that he didn’t a 103 win team either.
I really had hope for him especially last year.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, yeah, Lou did get a 97-win team to the playoffs.....
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
true he got them there
Which I was excited about, but neither of them made the WS….
which I hadn’t thought about.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed MCF
I really thought last year would be the year. I was over confident when DeRo hit that bomb the first game.
Heartbreaking….
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I was overly confident that we would win at least one game
boy did I feel stupid
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
I actually thought they’d win the series. NLCS would be the test. I really thought it was the year. I spent my whole day each game just waiting for the game to start.
But they suck? Yes and I was so disappointed. But I guess the disappointment of 89, 03 were worse than that. BUt I’ve kept watching them this year, haven’t given up on that.
But just b/c we have lived thro that and stayed watching them isn’t enough. Nor is spending time on a board talking about them.
So I guess if that makes both of us non-fans on bcb my real life everone knows I am and that is what counts.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Maddie
I have never said that, and I’m saddened that you think I think that.
the sweep last year was crushing. It’s the one time I’ve taken my “believe” wristband off in three years.
Once again. Show me where I’ve ever questioned your fan-hood. The difference between you and others is that you don’t relish when we lose. You don’t call players names. We all recognize that the Cubs are struggling. Some of us decide that means that there’s no hope at all. I think that’s wrong.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I took all my Cubs stuff down into my storage closet
and was totally bummed out. This season I just CANT have the same optism. I’d like to really…. I would. I have tried.
But I sometimes need to just state that they are sucking and that good decisions aren’t being made.
I want nothing more than to be wrong and them to get hot and have a fun October.
But I can’t stand being questioned on why I think that for example a series against the worst team in the in the league isn’t a good measuring stick for how they are doing.
Most Triple A teams could be the Nats. How their offense did good during the Nats series. Not looking at the whole picture of the season. The Cubs rate almost LAST in almost all offense categories. That makes me thinks the Cubs will continue to struggle on offense. Just like after 90 games last year I thought they’d continue kicking ass on offense
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say this
and I’m guilty of it too, but it really feels like grasping at straws when you talk about how well the Cubs played against the Nats. I would have liked that to mean more than it did, and I think I made that series sweep out to mean more than it did. If they did that against someone contending for the WC or even a 2nd or 3rd place team, then it would be something to be really happy about.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
when I say “you”, I don’t mean you directly, Madison.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 22, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
eh, i didn't really feel very good, but then i always feel
like we’re going to blow it.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 22, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure everyone thought the Cubs would win at least one game
in the series. Most thought we should’ve won the NLDS.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF...
No Fox?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
We're saving his bat for the playoffs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That line was almost as dumb
as Dusty’s clogging the bases line.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Adam LaRoche has been traded to Boston
so the Pittsburgh sell-off continues. From the Post-Gazette.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
with Jack Wilson according to a blogger for Brad Penny, wtf ?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 22, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If that's the deal.
wow.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jul 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah but that makes no sense, why would the bucs want 31 year old pitcher for 2 pretty good players
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 22, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
lol nevermind it's gonna be for 2 prospects i think
how dumb am i to believe penny LOL
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Al's driving back? He's not flying back on the charter with the rest of the team?
I heard Heliman was saving a seat for him… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
"Sit and spin, blogger-man!"
“Oh, yeah? Nibble on this!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Zzzzzzz
Cubs need to wake up today! Z needs a strong outing after last night’s run through the bullpen. I’m thinking 7 Ks, 1 BB, 4 H, 2 R, while going 2-4, HR, RBI would be nice.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
If Z can go 7, I assume Lou will have Marshall throw the 8th and Mr Goggles in the 9th
…I just hope we get Z some run support. That has been a pretty rare event for him (and just about every other starter this year).
Go Cubs. Score early and often!!
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Z gives his own run support.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 22, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
it makes me mad when pitchers get game winning hits
it’s just like hitters are being paid to hit and pitchers are not. I don’t care when they win but it bothers me for some reason.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
didn't Z get the go ahead hit in his last two starts?
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
yeah i know
it just makes me mad because the pitchers can hit but the actual hitters can’t
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 22, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
look at the bright side...
at least Harden didn’t “pull something” legging out that bunt last night. Because many here think pitchers are supposed to “dog it” down to first and not risk injuries.
In the end, RJ hit into a DP anyway, so his hustle didn’t help the cause.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Cmon Z
Give us a good performace today. Bats…please wake up. Let’s go home with a 5-2 trip
"You can't win a dobleheader if you don't win the first game" Bob Brenly
Why hasn't there been a FanPost about....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
oh lord
more EA tragedy … i wonder why no athletes feel wronged when she walks into the locker room after the game with their dongs hanging out while she interviews them.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
FanShot is up.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
that might be the dumbest comment of the day
You really don’t see a difference? She isn’t sneaking into the locker room. They know she’s coming, they can cover up. She had no idea someone was taking her picture
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
or so she says.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
think about it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i see your point
and i was kidding. i’m just saying … it’s an invasion of privacy and it’s a bad thing. BUT the media reposting stills, re-running blurred out portions of the video, etc. is not doing her any favors.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
We need a W today, and by the looks of the starting pitchers
we should get it. I know that’s just on paper, but I feel confident today.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
While
While people on the post about the Sun Times garbage this morning are throwing in the towel on this season I haven’t yet.
That thing about Moyer’s major league debut made me feel old. I remember watching that game at my high school graduation party.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
I was 6 years old when Moyer made his debut
but i remember getting his baseball cards when I’d buy a couple backs of Topps and being really excited.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Cue Van Halen
and Jump!
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Hemmingwayesqe Title
You missed an opportunity to use a Hemmingwayesqe title for the post.
“The Old Man and The Z”. Maybe next time.
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