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Don't you know?
By posting this, you are responsible for every single bad thing that happens in the world. You will be responsible for the next terrorist attack. You will be responsible for the perversion of our youth.
People will FIND this video now. They will find it and look at it and do unseemly things and giggle and snarf.
Or at least, that’s how it was put to me by sue213150811 or whatever her name is. She might have a different reaction to you.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Worf, if you have half the Klingon brain I think you do...
…then you ought to know it’s not always what is said, but how it’s said. That’s just how us puny Earthlings are. And I’m sure you also realize that you and SWL have differing styles.
That being said, I still fail to see how this (the EA peeping tom thing) relates to baseball in any way, and I don’t know what good can come from giving it any additional exposure (no pun intended) by posting something here. So, as a demonstration of my moral consistency, let me say in my best Ronald Reaganesque voice…
“Mr. Santoswoodenlegs, tear down this post!”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 22, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so it's HOW it was said...
Yes, of course.
I actually trusted you to be morally consistent. I notice sue is nowhere to be found.
Doesn’t she know CHILDREN are just now finding out about this video now, because of SWL?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed the excitement.
What happened? Game thread?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a nutshell
I posted this thing about Erin Andrews on Saturday, without a link. In fact, I refused to provide one, because some sites were still linking to the video.
I stated that I thought it was vile, reprehensible and disgusting.
ballhawk objected on “non-baseball grounds” but her Sueness basically said I was causing the downfall of civilization just by posting it. I deleted the thread.
Meanwhile, someone was on there bragging about seeing the video and Sue kind of mildly castigated him, yet treated me like I was scum for posting it.
Now, that one of her buddies has posted it, I’m anxious to see how she reacts. My guess is that we will find out the issue wasn’t the topic, but the poster.
In other words, we’ll find out she’s a hypocritical fraud with a bone to pick with me.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting . . .
Thanks for filling me in on the details.
I am a bit surprised that ballhawk objected; OT posts aren’t uncommon around here.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Given the sheer volume of EA pics posted, its actually pretty ON TOPIC for BCB.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my argument
I also think this is relevant to any man whose wife, daughter, sister, girlfriend or other female loved one has to stay in hotel rooms.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True and Creepy
But seriously, I doubt you get any response from her “Sueness”. You’ve already been tried and convicted in that court.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's expecting anything different.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does someone now have to take a candid hotel vid
Of Nekkid Geo to make up for it?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just didn't/don't see a need for it.
Yes, it’s OT and was clearly labeled as such. That’s not the issue. And I share Worf’s view that it was vile reprehensible and disgusting. But because it was such a v/r/d act, I saw no reason to promote its existence. And I appreciate that Worf did not post a link, but c’mon – anyone with half a google for a brain could easily find such a link once they knew the video existed.
Without getting political, I guess I drew parallels to the whole Valerie Plame undercover spy controversy when columnist Robert Novak ‘outed’ her in his column, thereby blowing her cover. What possible good could come from that? Obviously covert operations differs greatly from hotel room undressings, so you may not see that as a good comparison, but that’s how I felt. And that’s why I objected.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 22, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I can see that
I can’t see it on the basis of non-baseball – but then, I never did see the original post , so I don’t know what you actually said.
At the risk of getting into a fight that I have no dog in, I’d have to agree with Worf that it shouldn’t matter how it was presented.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only crime may have been posting it too soon
But most of the sports blogs had it Friday. (Some had the video earlier, but weren’t sure it was her) Andrews’ lawyers confirmed it was her Saturday morning.
I just refuse to take responsibility for people who search for it. At some point, I can’t control people’s fingers, computer mice and keyboards.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I can honestly say that I’ve not searched for the video, nor do I think I would have had I seen your post.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that analogy is quite flawed
in that Valerie Plame was about as much of a spy as Jake Fox is a major league catcher.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 22, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, you need to
get over yourself. I see you like to make up shit too. Good for you.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 22, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
POOP!
Just bringing it to your level, babe
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a step up for you.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 22, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(grabs both buy the collar, lifts up in the air, face to face)
Ugh, can’t you two just get along?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I tried to make the peace a long time ago.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cage match!
Two posters enter, but only ONE WILL LEAVE! You’ll pay for the whole seat but you’ll ONLY NEED THE EDGE!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, or that.
Hey, nobody’s perfect.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No cussing!!! I'm going to report you!!!
Oh wait, that’d be incredibly childish of me and a complete waste of my time.
Wayta be a complete hypocrite though!
by kanderber on Jul 22, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it would be
a waste of your time since Al says it is ok to use a few curse words.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 23, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Video is a yawner
All I learned was that she takes a long long time to fix her hair.
And she likes looking at her butt in the mirror.
by salparadise23 on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And she does weird little squats
But it was still kinda awesome, come on, its Erin Andrews!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Jul 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ew
That is disgusting. Can’t beleive you’re giving yourself a pass for this because “Come on, its Erin Andrews”.
She’s a woman who was violated. Completely disgusting.
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're right
I was kind of joking on the matter, but I definitely see the point that it is a strong violation of a person’s right to privacy. And that’s really no joking matter
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Jul 22, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allie's right - that's pretty weak
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allie had my back Saturday night
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its relevant to the site
and you called posted to inform not advertise it.
And to say it was your fault as the poster that some people searched for it was ridiculous.
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to tell everyone that there is porn on the internet....
will it be my fault if they search and find some?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, apparently for Worf
Big difference. It’s not what was said. It was who said it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for porn
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's porn on the internet?
Can I get porn quotes too?
by LT on Jul 22, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean like
"Everybody got it wrong. I said I was into porn again, not born again.""
Billy Idol
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of some on-stage banter during a Mr. Blotto show
During one of their jams in the middle of a “Domino” cover, the lead singer talks about how they’re all excited to be in DeKalb, playing at PornFest. Then they found out it was CornFest… and they were very bummed…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Cornfest.
I saw Survivor there one year – the band, not the show.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 23, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's vile and creepy
And I truly hope that male members of Erin Andrews’ family and friends get a chance to take a tire iron to the scumbag who filmed it.
And I hope THEY film it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd download that...
Just a heads-up, there are a ton of copies of this “video” circulating around that have a video player included with them or that require you to download a video player… if you’re one of the creeps that is actively searching for this, and it tells you to download a new player or codec, I wouldn’t do that… you’re infecting your machine with some pretty heavy stuff. Just a warning.
by lswaidz on Jul 22, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The video is pretty boring
but the last 5 seconds are pretty hilarious.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Jul 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
have not seen it
have not searched it, heard about it yesterday.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just bought my copy on the red line
"It’s up to Miles to keep the Cubs alive"
by xene on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope the hotel gets sued into hell.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if it was someone who stayed there before and planted it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the working theory
That someone has made a practice of doing this and hit the mother lode this time.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Why is it necessary for the NY Post to have pics? Edited though they may be.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
it’s the New York Post. Do you want to rethink the question? :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBS News kinda did it as well
The NY Post actually did a fairly poor job of covering things up.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SI's Jon Heyman
asked the same question.
And he got so disgusted he publicly denounced the paper and then canceled his subscription. On twitter.
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
whether that moralizing gasbag Phil Muschnick will dare take on his own paper.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh - I am prepared to cancel my subscription to any periodical
So long as I can Tweet about it. Seriously, this shit is so overblown…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How ya figure?
You’re alone in a hotel room, just trying to do your thing, whether thats do your hair, put your make up on, figure out which tie matches your shirt best… and suddenly its online? You wouldn’t feel at least a little taken advantage of?
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'm far more concerned with the reaction than the video
The Sensation! The Fallout! Who’s To Blame?
More News At Eleven!
EA has a right to feel violated. Some schmuck on Twitter doesn’t.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN has already fired back
No NY Post reporters will be featured on ESPN radio or TV.
There goes THAT source of revenue.
Of course, most of those jackasses are employed by Rupert.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, little did Bouton know that their little game of "beaver shooting"
as he called it would go so high tech.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Jul 22, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly, this took place in Omaha
during the College World Series.
If that’s true, ESPN could REALLY come down hard here. They could basically say, "Here’s the deal, Mr/Ms. Omaha Mayor and Mr./Ms. Omaha Convention and Tourism Bureau. Until you spit out the hotel employee who assisted with this, we will not cover the College World Series so long as it is in your town.
And how long do you think it will take the NCAA to move it, once we remove our support?"
Like I said, the working theory is that it was just dumb luck, but it is not hard to believe that someone tipped off a buddy, “HEY! Guess who is staying here?”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
would that make them responsible
for what the person they told did?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this stupid world...probably.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a criminal proceedings, probably not
Maybe not even in a civil proceedings.
My guess is, the hotel would have cause to fire them, though
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting
because it’s not much different from what you did.
“Hey, Erin Andrews is in that room.” (Friend proceeds to video her without talking to hotel employee — your response — fire them)
“Hey, Erin Andrews has a nekkid video!” (People proceed to search for and view video without your approval — your response — you are not responsible for their actions)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than the small fact that Worf isn't employed by the internet....
and Erin Andrews didn’t pay the internet for a service that included a room considered to be private.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Well if hotel guest information is confidential/sensitive information, an employee and ultimately the Hotel could be in violation. Thats considerably different than a post on a blog – especially one without any sort of link.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Jul 22, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh... I KNEW you were going there
You’re so predictable. Predictably wrong.
Revealing information about where a celebrity is staying may not be against the law, but it is certainly against most hotel procedures. We’re talking something that could endanger physical safety, not just cause potential embarrassment.
Someone could just as easily have kidnapped Erin Andrews as videotaped her, if they had her room information.
Then there is the question of whether or not the hotel employee KNEW what the friend was up to. He is then liable. Even if he didn’t know, he surely has put it together by now and should be coming forward.
(All of this is assuming there IS an hotel employee who helped, of course)
So, no, it’s not the same. But nice try.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, ok.
I don’t think it’s as wrong as you do. But that’s fine.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think revealing hotel room information is wrong?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
You’re saying my comparison is wrong. I disagree with you.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
OK, I’ll humor you.
1) Employee gives out information he or she is bound by hotel policy NOT to give out. Information may lead to a crime being committed.
2) Poster reports story on blog. Does not provide link to video. Repeats sports blogs. Information does not lead to a crime being committed.
IF the employee did not know what was up, then yeah, he or she is guilty of nothing more than violating hotel procedures. But guess what? That’s a firable offense!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
presuming that this is the case.
either way, you’re suggesting accountability for one person telling a person something but no accountability for another person telling a person (people) something.
We disagree. no worries. We both agree on the important part — it shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I baffled as to why you don't see the difference Drew.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me it's the difference
between giving someone information like, “Hey, the Jones’ are out of town this weekend and they have a flimsy ass lock”
and saying,
“Damn, did you hear? The Jones’ house got broken into…”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that by publicising it
more people were enabled to go and look at it. You can only steal the Jones’ television once. Erin Andrews’ privacy and rights can be violated over and over and over again.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 22, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if the Jones have more than one TV.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell are the Jones?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know but I think we're supposed to keep up with them...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 22, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone steal Jerry Jones JumboTron?
THIS IS SPARTA!!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so when something bad happens,
it can never be published anywhere, because the person that publishes it is furthering the criminal activity? sorry man but your logic is flawed.
by burncruisin on Jul 23, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
again, this kind of violation is one that can be repeated over and over and over again. If there aren’t tons of people searching for it, then the hit counts go down, and the webmasters drop the video.
The ONLY place I heard about this first hand was on this site — first Worf’s post, then this one. There have been articles, but not one that I saw unless I searched for it.
Essentially, Worf was BCB’s NY Post. Oh, the horror, oh, how terrible, I won’t post the link, but whoever goes and looks at it is a terrible person…
Context matters.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Really? Honestly?
And any other words to convey incredulity.
Not even close. If I was predisposed to find the vid, I would have before reading about it on BCB. I suspect that’s true of most – they would have heard about it before reading on this blog about it.
I am assuming that you have not, nor do you intend to, search for the video yourself. If I further assume that people like you who “heard it here first” are not obsessed with EA, then they are equally unlikely to look for the video. In other words, those likely to search have already done so.
Your logic is indeed flawed on this.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
you’re welcome to think what you want.
I would have preferred that it not be posted about at all.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badger, give it up
Once again, we have the issue being the poster rather than the posted.
Had someone else done this, drew and sue would have been defending it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I do think poster bias plays a part.
I’m not sure that I’d go so far as to say they would be defending it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never for a second
and you know that.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with your preference
And it isn’t a huge reach to say that it might cause people to search for it – however, those that search are responsible, not the person reporting the news.
It IS a huge stretch to say that Worf posting it is the same as a hotel employee disclosing where she was staying.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of your opinion, this is news
I work for a newspaper and so I constantly hear complaints about how the newspaper always prints the bad stuff. Well guess what? The bad stuff is news, that’s what the newspaper is in business for. The good stuff still gets printed, but the bad stuff is what gets read the most. That’s human nature. People are interested in other people’s suffering.
By publishing news reports, maybe someone that knows something about the taping will see some report a few weeks from now and come forward, you never know. But either way, this is a news item and deserves to be covered.
If you don’t like it, don’t read it. The headline should give you an idea if it’s meant for you.
by burncruisin on Jul 23, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I was BCB's
Associated Press, who broke the story first. (Actually, the blogs did, but AP was the first mainstream)
Had I been the NY Post, I would have put links, still shots and other stuff from the video.
I would have made it easy, under the guise of “reporting”
I did not make it easy. Someone still had to look for it.
It would be akin to reviewing a movie or book and calling it smut. That would cause some to stay away and some to run for the theater or bookstore.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the AP doesn't
editorialize the way you did.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AP has editorial writers
And you’re seriously making the case that I did something wrong by saying, “It sucks what happened to her,” which is what I did?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill O'Rilley
has had what appears to be much the same reaction that you did.
Yesterday we noticed that Fox News was hyping a Bill O’Reilly “investigation” into the naked Erin Andrews peephole video incident, prompting us to wonder, “Will the ole smut-merchant show the video on the air?” Well, of course he would, duh!
Now, O’Reilly, and Fox News in general, have a long history with this sort of thing. He’ll bloviate righteously about softcore porn on YouTube or underage strippers or how the Make-A-Wish foundation turned down money from a bikini car wash fundraiser or whatever, and all the while he’ll have salacious clips running over the audio of he and his guests mouthing off about the gross injustice of whatever it is they’re talking about. So you just knew that O’Reilly would take this whole thing straight into the gutter, and he did not disappoint.
While O’Reilly is setting the segment up by giving background on the story to his viewers, footage of the “criminal” video is played. He then turns to his guests, the standard set of painfully Aryan Fox News babes, to begin their discussion, but before he does he says speaks righteously about the video clip he just played on his show:
We’re not gonna show you anymore of that ladies and gentlemen…I gotta show you what they think is criminal intent here, but, you know, I’m not gonna show anymore video of it because this is ultra-disturbing and I think it’s a very serious crime.
Classic. Just classic Bill O’Reilly slimeballage, wrapped up neatly under the guise of “investigative reporting.”
Now, ESPN is taking a hard line against any news organization that shows footage of the video or even publishes still images taken from it. Today they lashed out at the New York Post, effectively issuing a “you’re dead to me” order to the paper and banning the Post and it’s reporters from all aspects of the ESPN empire after they ran still photos from the video in Tuesday’s edition of the paper. It’ll be interesting to see if they do the same thing with Fox and/or other Rupert Murdoch media properties after this.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All fine and good
EXCEPT I DID NOT SHOW THE GOD DAMN VIDEO OR PROVIDE LINKS!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you didn't
but your outrage was so palpable, it was practically prurient.
Look, whatever. It’s over. We agree on the real problem.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Whatever. It's Over"
is the mating call of the loser
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
it’s the call of someone simply walking away. Buhbye now.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God
Doesn’t need a damn, he walked on water.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I believe they could be charged
It’s just like you giving a buddy a ride to rob a bank, you were a party to the crime so you have to do the time.
by burncruisin on Jul 23, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if
you don’t know your buddy is robbing the bank?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he comes running out with bags of cash and says, "Step on it"
I think you can’t reasonbly claim ignorance.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I believe that is called the "ostrich" rule
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And anyway, simply driving your buddy to the bank
isn’t the most accurate description here.
IF there was a hotel employee helping, then he or she gave out information that shouldn’t be revealed.
Nothing good would possibly come of revealing that information. At best, Erin Andrews is going to be pestered by people knocking on her door or waiting in the hallway. At worst, she could have been abducted or physically assaulted.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
I may have used the wrong scenario to try to make my point
by burncruisin on Jul 23, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically
that’s giving your buddy a ride AWAY from the bank.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who prances around in their hotel room buck naked while they're doing their hair anyway????
Besides Al of course.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly the point
If she wanted to prance naked in the privacy of a room she paid for, she had the right.
I personally would not curl my hair or iron my shirts naked, but that’s more of a safety issue than a privacy issue.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying she shouldn't be able to....
just that it seems odd.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A real warrior doesn't iron his shirts
just saying…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, a real warrior
Throws a wet washcloth in the dryer.
But I don’t do that naked either.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every girl ever when they're getting dressed up
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm adding a poll now.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife dries her hair naked
Steam from the shower, hot hair dryer, cramped space…
why start sweating RIGHT after showering?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine does too...but only because she doesn't want hair coloring all over clothes.
I going to suggest she start the nude hair curling ritual.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife doesn't iron naked, though
She’s also 7 months pregnant and is hating her body right now
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats! :)
I know the moms get tire of it, but that little bump is the sweetest thing in the whole world.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jul 23, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, the new theory is that
it was an ESPN employee, possibly traveling with her.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 22, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would make sense if they had traveled together before and that person know her sexy hair curling routine.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...I heard on the
radio this morning the TMZ did a little research on the video and that the video is actually two different hotel rooms (i.e. different furniture, setup, etc) which would lend to the possibility that this video was shot over multiple days/locations.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 22, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN lawyers
are probably literally inside someone’s ass right now.
And yes, I meant to use “literally”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Risking some wrath,
If this were the case, why wasn’t it sold? Nowadays, unscrupulous Web sites and/or publications would pay for stuff like that. That’s the only reason why I would think it is self-promotion of some sort.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 22, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might have been the plan
Until the heat got too strong.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? To sell it?
But there was no heat. Apparently, it had been floating around for a couple weeks until said blog reported on it.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 22, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erin Andrews has had a long-standing offer from Playboy
from god knows how long. That’s a lot more reliable source of income and self-promotion, not to mention probably more tasteful, than this.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes it even more detestable
No wonder you don’t see a lot of women wanting to do sports journalism.
Her only crime is being pretty and good at her job… and being a her.
by Allie on Jul 22, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a crime punishable by lots of dudes drooling over naked pictures of you.
THE HORROR.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno SWL
I think we crossed a line from harmless ogling to creepy stalking here…
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being facetious.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me preface by saying what happened to her isn't right and it's indefensible
Again, IT IS INDEFENSIBLE.
Of course, people are going to ignore that and focus on what I say next.
But to your point about being a her; let’s not kid ourselves — she uses her looks, too.
Remember last year’s fuss about her very short skirt in the Cubs’ visiting clubhouse in Milwaukee?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUST SO I AM CLEAR
That does NOT justify what happened to her.
She committed no crime. But the sports journalism part . . . people of both genders use looks to get ahead in fields that are in the public eye.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always wondered if any of the up-and-coming stud muffin boy-toy reporters ever covered the LPGA
or the women’s tennis tour (whatever that’s called). And if they did, I’m wondering if they got locker room access, etc.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no.
The Series itself has nothing to do with anything. And, no ‘talent’ is above possible revenue gained by ESPN.
This type of ‘boycott’ doesn’t really mean bupkis. Anyway, if ESPN was stupid enough to give up their exclusive coverage, FSN/Versus…you name the network….. would swoop right in to take the rights and the cash.
It’s a quaint thought, but entirely unrealistic in the business world.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 22, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coulda been any blurry nekkid blonde
To sully the good name of EA by even suggesting that was her is ludicrous beyond belief!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Her lawyers confirmed it
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawyers never lie.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait...
her own lawyers lied and therefore sullied her name?
OK… by the way, we DID land on the moon.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The amount of hype generated
By a horrible, horrible invasion of privacy which has gotten 3.5 million teenage boys fapping to the idea that some blurry blonde is totally that chick on College Gameday, dude! is not worth the metric shitload of ink being spilt over it.
Assume the worst – that’s EA, she’s nekkid and doing her thang in her hotel room. So someone’s a scary perv and EA has a right to seek legal protection and recompense. Beyond that and the aforementioned fappers, who really gives a crap?
You can turn this into Yet Another Example in the struggle for equality, or you can turn it into Yet Another piece of fapping material. Either way, it means that we get a little dumber.
E-bay feedback: D——. Does not contribute to society.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's not ink that is getting spilled over this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 22, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note the comment about the 3.5 million above
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 22, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel dumber for having read this thread.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And MAN is that difficult for you to do!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I like you, Worf. No non-sense straight up, I'm gonna get your heartfelt opinion.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 22, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I...I just have one question:
Does this mean Micah Hoffpauir is going to start hitting home runs again?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he saw it, then I'd hope so
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
he’s the prime suspect
i don’t believe MLB tests for Micah’s specific performance enhancing drug
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead and slam
me for my comments on Worf’s fanpost I don’t care. I still stand by my opinion on it. What happened to Erin should never happen to anyone. Her privacy was violated and I hope they find the people who did this. Those who watched the video should ask themselves how they would feel if that had been their wife/gf/sister or mother.
I don’t see the humor is this fanshot either.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 22, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100%
It’s flat out wrong what happened to Erin Andrews.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jul 22, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But even MORE WRONG
to TALK about it!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 22, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a recovering viewer I would be pretty content if that were my wife or gf in the video.
There was nothing humiliating in there. No nose-picking, farting, or toilet cam, just a clean shaven figure that is barely identifiable.
The hard part for her will be feeling comfortable in a hotel ever again, downright scary, and of course wondering what else the creep has on tape. I guess she also has to get used to the possibility that everyone she interacts with has now seen her naked. I think she’ll get over it. At least people will stop posting the EA ass-cam shot during game threads.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 22, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
She should say to hell with it and become a straight-up porn star
Jack
derv
@themightycub
by derv on Jul 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN should stop booking hotels
who reverse the peepholes in their doors so they can see if anyone is inside the room waiting for them inside.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Jul 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO - how did you find that?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 22, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great episode.
KRAMER!!! I KNOW YOU’RE IN THERE!
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 22, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Newman and I are comfortable with our bodies….
by salparadise23 on Jul 22, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is rich...
From the TMZ website: “We will not post this video, because it is a clear invasion of privacy.”
TMZ, of all sites, refusing to invade someone’s policy. Ha!
by kanderber on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well at least the NY Post is handling this with class
by Wreckard on Jul 22, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And as a result of doing this, NY Post reporters are now barred from appearing on ESPN.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 23, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Reilly broadcast parts of it last night
I don’t think it was quite as much as the NY Post did.
Ah, Rupert… you made such a classy empire.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Posts' response...
She had it coming because she spoke up!
NO one would have known that a sick voyeur had secretly videotaped ESPN reporter Erin Andrews nude in her hotel room, if the Mickey Mouse sports network hadn’t sent a letter to an obscure Web site demanding that it take down its link to a fuzzy video of an unidentified blonde … Last Thursday, [website redacted], which had linked to the Andrews shots, got a letter from ESPN counsel David Pahl demanding the "pictures of a young, blonde woman" be removed. It didn’t take long for Web sites to identify the blonde as Andrews — and her lawyer soon confirmed it.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07232009/gossip/pagesix/espn_outed_erin_video_180781.htm
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoo, boy....
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the right link?
All I see is a political cartoon.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is incredibly ironic
i mean… you’re posting the link for others to go see
so aren’t you doing the EXACT same thing the newspaper is doing?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 24, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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