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Cubs End Phillies' 10-Game Winning Streak With 13-Hit Attack, Win 10-5

PHILADELPHIA -- I think yesterday's game was a prime example of what Jim Hendry envisioned when he put together the 2009 roster.

Never mind that two of the starting players yesterday (Jeff Baker and Koyie Hill) were either not on the team or were backups when the season began; the Cubs had 13 hits and drew nine walks off six Philadelphia pitchers and cruised to a 10-5 win over the Phillies, ending Philly's 10-game winning streak and finishing off a 5-2 road trip, the best trip of the season to date.

Baker had a two-run double in the four-run fourth inning and on the play, the ball got away from Phillies 2B Chase Utley, allowing Alfonso Soriano to score. All of this happened right after BCB reader Connecticut Cubs Fan came by to say hi -- risking his life to get past the ushers at Citizens Bank Park, who won't let you go and visit friends in another section. By Wednesday they had gotten used to me being in section 141 so several BCB readers (sdurst, wrigley12 among others, and sorry if I left you out!) were able to stop by and say hi.

I'm being too hard on the CBP employees -- in general, they were friendly and efficient, and even when chasing people away from the fence two rows in front of me they were nice about it. Remember that in general, Philadelphia hasn't been a place used to everyday sellouts; this is the sixth year of the Phillies' new ballpark and yesterday was their 40th sellout of the season (in 48 home dates). Despite that, there were quite a few empty seats and it emptied out even faster when the Cubs raced out to 4-0, 5-1 and 8-3 leads, even though there were tons of neon-T-shirted kids groups there. Those kids were lined up completely around the park when the game was over for the "Kids Run The Bases" promotion -- they were probably doing that for at least an hour after the game ended.

Star-divide

Despite the 8-3 lead in the seventh inning, the Cubs just had to make the small contingent of Cubs fans nervous. By that time Phillies manager Charlie Manuel had been ejected after Paul Bako was called out on what plate umpire Dan Iassogna said was a foul tip caught by Koyie Hill. In the bottom of the seventh Carlos Zambrano, who had sailed along with little trouble, loaded the bases and had to be yanked as he reached 115 pitches. Sean Marshall, who has been outstanding all year at stranding inherited runners, allowed a two-run single to Greg Dobbs, one of the few times he's failed since being moved to the bullpen.

The Phillies threatened again in the eighth when Aramis Ramirez -- who probably should have gotten the day off, a hot, humid day after he played all 13 innings the night before -- committed an error on a ground ball that he usually handles routinely. Two outs and a walk later, Lou had to summon Kevin Gregg for a more-than-one-inning save for the second time on the trip. With two runners on, he walked Utley before getting Ryan Howard on a weak grounder, and then finished off the Phillies easily in the ninth inning after the Cubs added two insurance runs in the top of the frame. I'm not sure who took over for Charlie Manuel after he was tossed, but whoever it was apparently wanted to make the most of his temporary managerial status. Granted that Brad Lidge was getting hit pretty hard, but why on Earth would you bother changing pitchers with two out in the ninth inning of a game on a sticky, humid day, after playing 13 innings the night before? (Maybe Lou gave them the idea.)

With the Astros' 4-3 win over the Cardinals last night (only the second blown save for Ryan Franklin), the Cubs move to within one game of first place, tied with Houston. I'm a little concerned about the Astros, though I wonder how they've gotten this far with that pitching staff. Houston also has a negative run differential -- and you know teams that have winning records with that kind of differential generally can't keep that up for an entire season. Let's hope they cool off before Monday, when they'll begin a four-game series at Wrigley Field.

The 2009 Cubs are a flawed team and, as we know, have played well in only fits and starts this season. Nevertheless, the current run -- seven wins in the last 11 games -- is a nice base to build on. There are moves likely to be made in the next few days; there's no way this team can continue with Koyie Hill as, essentially, their only catcher (since Geovany Soto's injury, Hill, starting every day, is hitting .119, 5-for-42). Either Geo has to recover quickly or the Cubs have to make a deal for another catcher. We'll also soon find out whether the B.J. Ryan experiment is going to work (if so, that will really help the bullpen, either giving a second lefty, or allowing Sean Marshall to start again), and it appears that Ryan Dempster may be able to start as soon as Sunday, as long as an X-ray taken today comes out well.

Flawed? Yes. In contention? Definitely. Hang in there and enjoy the off-day.

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shades of red

anybody up for a cards/nats thread tonight? i’m off to sleep and will miss the start, but could join midway. go balester.

on the cardinals site, someone was hoping to add (are you sitting down?) matt murton to the mix. as long as thurston plays more second, i’ll be happy.

by tim815 on Jul 23, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

cards/nats thread here on BCB? I doubt you'd get much traffic...

…and what you do get would probably less than genteel. However, I think you’re on the right track by checking the cardinals’ site. Or even better, go and sign up on the Nats site and join in their game thread. Show them how to do a game thread up right and cheer on those pesky Nats!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

So much fun

watching the Cardinals lose to Houston in the 9th last night after the Cubs had already won. The party in the NL Central is getting very crowded. It should be an entertaining, if not down right wacky next two months. Enjoy the day off and let’s smack Cincy around on Friday….

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Jul 23, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Yes, this team is flawed but I don’t understand the people that basically want to end the season now and begin football season. This is going to be a fun second half. Yes, I’ll get pissed at the Cubs and probably numerous times in August and September but it is looking like a fun pennant race.

For all you blue people out there, turn off your TV and get out your winter clothes. The rest of us will enjoy the last two months of the season.

by rlpete on Jul 23, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

"blue people"???

don’t you mean “Blou people”? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the reason

is that people want to write them off cause they believe if last year’s team couldn’t do it, how is this year’s team going to make noise? It’s a legitimate reason, but all it takes is one hot-streak to vault any contending team into the playoffs and beyond.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Jul 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true...

… and as a great example look at your 2006 World Series champions, the St. Louis Cardinals who ended the regular season at 83-78. Work the kinks out, stay in contention, and try to get hot in September and October.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

They even dropped 7 in a row in late September

And finished the regular season dropping 10 out of the final 14.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a Cards fan

I just don’t come in to Cub blogs very often cause of the amount of traffic.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Jul 25, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very well said.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best part of last night...

Ryan Franklin got tagged! His ERA jumped from 0.76 to 1.25.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good.

For no good reason, that guy rubs me the wrong way.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because he has been INSANELY lucky this year?

Even with a ERA of 1.25, that’s way under his career ERA. I can take that the fact that maybe he’ll be better this year, but anything under 2.50 would be a miracle. Look for him to get tagged much more.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Not to mention the goatee is really douchey at this point.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

i also find it creepy that the rest of the St. Louis team has decided to go with the “70s porn ’stache” look this season…
shudder

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in St. Louis. That look isn't from the '70s. You see it everywhere

along with a lot of mullets.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, this season is over

at least BLou said it is.

Nice trip, regardless of the Nats. A solid homestand is needed.

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jul 23, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, he said that after we lost last night.

Where is he now, when the Cubs win?

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

where he always is

his grandma’s basement secret hideout.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He said the Cardinals will win the division.

Made me wonder if he was a Cubs fan or a Cardinals fan.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

BLou doesn't sleep, he waits...

…for the next Cubs loss.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes,

So he can say how bad we are, how the Cardinals will quickly run away with the division.

How the season was over before it began, etc.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding

BLou basically made ZERO comments during the Nats sweep but reappears during the Phillies losses. Blou WANTS the Cubs to lose so he can post the same stuff over and over.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

He said nothing in the games against Washington.

And then, we go to Philadelphia and lose a game, and he signs on and says “The season is over. Deal with it.”

It would take more than Hell freezing over for him to be positive.

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a way, I understand him

Among us, there are the eternal optimists and the eternal pessimists. And the Cubs made them that way. We chose a tough life, we did.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just waiting for them

to lose again so he can go off on one of his rants. He thrives on the attention he gets from them.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am happy with the trip

I know some look and say we lost 2 of 3 to the Phils, but they won 5 of 7. Would anyone really be any happier had we gone 3-1 against the Nats and 2-1 against the Phils? 5-2 in 7 games is 5-2 in 7 games.

Also, the sweep of the Nats on the trip was huge. With the Brewers and Cards getting this team in the next couple weeks, they both know what the Cubs did, and you don’t want to lose the division by one game and look back and see the difference being that the Cubs swept the Nats while you didn’t.

This should be a tough week ahead for the Cards. After tonight, Philly for 3 and then the Dodgers for 3 or 4. They could be in 3rd by the end of next week, but still only a game out LOL.

by niuhuskie224 on Jul 23, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

The schedule does favor us for the next week...

… while Houston may be getting hot, we still face some team we SHOULD beat at home while the cards get some tough teams. I’m hoping by my next game (Saturday vs the Reds) a blue and white flag will be atop the scoreboard pole.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are the matchups next week?

Especially, the ones against Houston?

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it'll be...

Vs CIN:

Harang vs Wells
Cueto vs Lilly
Owings vs Hart (or possibly Dempster?)

Then vs HOU:

Wandy vs Harden (in a night game).

Not sure beyond that, and its hard to predict much of anything at this point as Dempster could be back anytime and any trade for a relief pitcher may send Marshall to a starting role and Hart back to Iowa.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on Dempster, you're right

For the Houston series, right now it looks like:

Monday – Harden (vs. Wandy Rodriguez)
Tuesday – Zambrano (vs. Oswalt)
Wednesday – Wells (vs. Hampton)
Thursday – Lilly (vs. Ortiz)

The Cubs miss Brian Moehler right now, it appears.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully we can get to Wandy this time

the Cubs seem to always have trouble with him….and Ortiz too.

by desmoCubbie on Jul 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodriguez has won both his starts vs. the Cubs this year

but both starts have come in Houston.

For his career at Wrigley, Rodgriguez is 1-3 in 5 starts at Wrigley with an 8.25 ERA. He’s allowed 36 hits – 5 home runs – in 24.0 IP.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yahtzee.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it's a walk-off Yahtzee.

Nothing like dropping a 50-pointer on the last roll to win.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

A four game sweep of the Nats and then the Cubs essentially play the Phillies to a draw on the road...

…(Each team getting a win by more than 5 runs and then the middle game going 12 innings as a stalemate in a pitchers’ duel)

Something to build on indeed.

Now let’s rattle off a nice long winning streak like the Phillies just did!

Go Cubs!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 23, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Essentially a draw???

We lost two of three.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

So? It's still a loss

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it's a loss

There are no ties or “moral victories” in baseball. It’s on the record as a loss and, unfortunately, that’s all that counts.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

and yet

it is more encouraging to loose that way than being beaten 15-2. I think that was mostly his point…but it is a loss

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Jul 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

No crying either.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 23, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is crying in baseball,

It’s allowed in St. Louis.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

And celebrated, apparently

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

you forget. The crying sound comes from Milwaukee.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Jul 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And complaining comes from the direction of Houston.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I said "essentially".

I know they lost 2 of 3. But for 12 innings in that game, on the road, it was a standoff. It’s a “glass half full” sort of approach…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

better be careful

people don’t like it round here when you find the positive in a loss.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh well, I'm trying NOT to be Eeyore...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

and we thank you for that...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

shudder....

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh... my....

I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

What self respecting man would allow that to be photographed?

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

you've

answered your own question.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we SURE it's a man?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW

That’s ….wow. That’s something where you say “yeah honey….it does sound cute….NO.”

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

kid's look "who-wee, this is great"

dad’s look, “another (twisted) family moment”
mom’s look “what in the….”

by tim815 on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It looks to me like it was the dad's idea.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they wear it

It was in those outfits that the kid was conceived.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

FTW!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Women may Pooh when there’s no strength in men.”
William Shakespeare

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astros sweep and other musings

The Astros sweep sent a message to the Cards that they are in the race and for real. Unless someone in this division gets hot and pulls away, they are in it for the duration.

I wish people would get off Theriot, He is what he is, a fair shortstop that is hitting .300, something I might add we really need at the top of our order. He deserves better.

Sometimes I wish we could sit back and say good pitching beat us. So far in the 7 games since the break we’ve put up runs against bad pitching and got beat by two good pitching performances. So be it. 5-2 road trip is exactly what we needed.

Catching is a big concern right now as I think Hill is exposed. Kevin Gregg has been a stud recently with a 1.53 ERA in his past 28 appearances; I especially like the 4 and 5 out multiple innings. Z has won 3 in a row and has not thrown a temper fit in that span, coincidence? Hard to believe it was the first win over Moyer yesterday. Good homestand could put us in frist place we’re that close. Let’s hope good fortune continues, our bats continue to work and our pitching is sharp.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 23, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Gregg

He caught a lot of grief early in the season and many people don’t like him because he replaced Wood at a lower salary. However, he has been solid though the past few months. He’s not a lights-out closer and he walks a few too many but the bottom-line results have been good.

by rlpete on Jul 23, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got on Gregg because he sucked to start the year...

…not because I wish we still at Kerry. I was wrong and glad to admit it.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I gave Gregg grief for different reasons than that...

I was fine with letting Wood leave, because he was going to be way too expensive for what he provided. My problem with Gregg was that I felt we traded a decent prospect for a guy who wasn’t drastically different than Michael Wuertz. In fact, Wuertz has historically been slightly better than Gregg (slightly better WHIP, slightly better K/9, better ERA, better K/BB).

Gregg has been solid this year, and I figured he’d be at worst similar to Dempster in 2006/2007. I just didn’t think it was a wise acquisition. And based on performances this year, Wuertz has in fact been slightly better. But Gregg has been better than I expected, and I have no problem at all with his performance for us to this point.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wuertz

Mike is a perfect pitcher in a set up role in a small market city. He cannot handle tough pressure situations in a big time environment. Each time he was given that opportunity he did not succeed.

by gocubsgo22 on Jul 23, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure he's ever really been given the chance...

I think people just extrapolated too much from small sample sizes, as is often the case with relievers.

Wuertz had terrific numbers in terms of allowing inherited runners to score when he was with the Cubs. He just happened to have Wood, Howry, and Marmol ahead of him in the role of closer/setup man.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gregg Grief...

Charlie Brown!

I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wuertz? No thanks.

He’s not the closer there so you’re comparing apples and oranges. I didn’t see anything from him in Chicago that would lead me to believe he they should sign him and I still don’t….especially at closer. That he had other pitchers in front of him should only lead to him having the pressure off and being a better pitcher not the reverse.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would you rather have him than Heilman?

I think that a lot of people would. And that is not just hindsight, it was predictable, I think.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep... Catching is a problem right now...

I’d like to see Lou give Fox a crack at catching for one game in the Cin. series. But the fact that he hasn’t given him a full game to catch (even after all these days in a row) indicate he’s not willing to go down this route.

I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 23, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

He's going to have to

I think Soto will be on and off the DL the rest of the season. Obliques are hard to come back from.

Either get a real backup catcher or get Fox in there. My vote is for real backup catcher.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid of how big Soto will be

after a few weeks of limited physical activity.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

and he’s probably shoveling down the mac and cheese comfort food

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get some...

sour cream and onion chips, with some dip, man. Some beef jerkey, some peanut butter. Get some Hagen-Dagz ice-cream bars. A whole lotta of chocolate. Gotta have chocolate, man. Some popcorn, pink popcorn. GRAHAM CRACKERS!!! Graham crackers with the marshmallows. Little marshmallows with little chocolate bars and we’ll make some s’mores man. Celery, grape jelly, Captain Crunch with the little crunch berries, pizzas, we need two big pizzas, man, everything on ’em, water, a whole lotta water and…….Funyuns.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

On ESPN: LeBron admits he smoked marijuana during his junior year in high school...
In “Shooting Stars,” written by James and co-author Buzz Bissinger, James said the SI cover and the media attention he and his high school teammates received was difficult to handle.

“We had become big-headed jerks, me in particular,” James said, “and we are to blame for that, but so are adults who treated us that way and then sat back and smugly watched the self-destruction.”

James also revealed he and his teammates smoked marijuana one night after getting access to a hotel room in Akron.

Linky.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice job Andrew...

now all the kids on BCB are going to think smoking pot is cool and they’ll buy some and try it.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, because it would have to be in a hotel room

And now we know every one is going to have hidden cameras.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

My stock portfolio is heavily leveraged in the snack sector.

I need my Little Debbie stock to take off ASAP so i can retire by 30.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They have to get a real backup at catcher. When Soto comes back, the backup can go back to AAA and return if Soto goes on the DL again.

by rlpete on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I read it wasn't a pretty sight in AAA

And well, Hill isn’t nearly as good as Soto. I think the increased amount of runs teams have scored against us is proof.

I’m over his hitting, it’s what he does behind the plate that’s a little concerning.

by ak123 on Jul 23, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry wanted a cheaper option...

Although Blanco WAS fairly cheap…Frustrating.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 23, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also think it had to do with age.

Hank White is getting up there in years. Also, that’s one of the reasons Koyie won the back-up job over Paul Bako.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was wishing they had kept him...a good man to have in reserve.

He sure helped Soto last season. Although I do wonder if Blanco could handle playing at that level everyday for a long stretch like this. Along with DeRo I think it shows the flaw in putting together a team that has backups…they sure could use a backup with Koyie fading now. I don’t think Bako was ever going to be the answer. The money was prolly why they didn’t resign Blanco but I bet it seems a lot smaller now.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the general thought was he was going to get more money than we wanted to pay.

And then that didn’t happen…

I think part of the reason for Geo’s down year was the lack of his mentor.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

And he didn't have someone to tell him not to get fat

Hopefully, next year, he will be less trouble than he’s worth

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rumor is Cleveland is looking to trade Wood.

There, now let the “Bring Back Kerry” contingent emerge and beat the drums for the next 8 days.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barf.

I have no doubts that Cleveland is dumping Wood. His contract is ridiculous and I doubt they can move him.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat.

I love what Wood brought in terms of clubhouse leadership and professionalism, but for that money, please, let’s not think of reacquiring him – even if another bullpen arm wouldn’t hurt.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are rumors about Cleveland dumping everyone

VMart for Miles and Heilman. GET IT DONE JIM!

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Supposedly

Boston turned down Bucholz for Martinez.

I can only imagine what some of these asking prices are right now.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved having Woody here, but I think they let him go at the right time.

Any questions about him being worth the high salary should have been answered with his performance at Wrigley this year. He’s just not worth that cash right now for what you’d get.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I was a fan while he was here...

…but I didn’t shed any tears when he left. I was more upset about DeRo because I thought our team would be worse without him.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco was around $1.5M

He is also on the DL right now and he is batting .218/.301/.373 for a whopping .674 and oh yeah, he is hurt too on the DL.

Koyie Hill’s line is worse but Hill is at least healthy.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And throwing out quite a few base runners.

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

and calls a good game with good D....

…you can afford Hill if everyone hits like they should.

by JB 23 on Jul 23, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely...

Hill isn’t here to put up great offensive numbers (if he did, he’d be a starter). The fact that he’s thrown out 48% of runners trying to steal on him is impressive.

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco really wasn't having a good year

behind the plate before he was injured. However, that could be due to the SD pitchers inability to hold runners.

Blanco wanted well more than what the Padres signed him for, as he was overestimating the market.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

When does Blanco get off DL?

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one is certain

Also, if we were worried about Geo being a healthy, a catcher pushing 40 probably ins’t the best bet for a backup and that’s been proven true.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually it's even worse

Cot’s – Scroll Down

We had him on the hook for a $3M option for ‘09. We would have had to buy him out for $300,000 (which we did) and then signed him for $750k (at least). I’m not sure you can even do that…

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Blanco as much as the next guy

But Hendry giving him a contract for $3m was really overpaying for a catcher of his quality. Luckily, we caught lightning in a bottle with him last year.

by madcow256 on Jul 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again...

…if having Blanco around made Geo an All Star catcher, then it was worth every penny to have him and for that matter, keep him around.

But for his pure numbers, I agree with you.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could have been re-signed after being bought out...

the buyout just makes him a free agent. He can then sign with anyone.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

To add to that...

the main reason Blanco was not resigned is because the Cubs wanted to get a LH backup at catcher. That’s why they signed Bako and brought Johnson to spring training.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al when do I get my credit?

9 straight wins in a row for me.

You said I’d be blamed if they loss!

by ak123 on Jul 23, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

When is your next game ?

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 23, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

September vs. Mets

:(

Anyone want to fly me out to Chicago for some games?

by ak123 on Jul 23, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give me some playoff tickets, too!

In my lifetime, I’ve seen five Cubs games, all wins.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh

are we making it to the playoffs now?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

::uses Marv Albert voice:: Yes!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

my last Cub game: Maddux's complete game win over the Cardinals (2006).

I am afraid to return to Wrigley when I come to Chicago. One of the few good memories from that terrible year.

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree!

I think I’m going to make a weekend trip to Chicago in August…just haven’t figured out when yet. I wouldn’t mind taking a weekend and see where they play on the road. Sight see and catch a couple games.

by ak123 on Jul 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to give the Cubs some credit

Jamie Moyer is the very definition of the kind of pitcher the Cubs have major issues with and they were able to plate a number of runs against him.

The emergance of Kevin Gregg as Lou’s new blankie should do wonders for Marmol’s arm and his performance the rest of the season.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

these soft tossing pitchers have given us fits over the years. Gregg has gotten hot and Marmol appears to have straightened out, another coincidence?

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 23, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

and the cardinals

after today’s (supposed) gimmie vs the nats, plays 7 games vs the best 2 teams in the league…3 on the road @ philly and 4 @ home vs the Dodgers. I suspect the Cubs or Stros are in 1st place a week from now.

by ballstitch on Jul 23, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Good!

As long as it’s the right team in first!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

How nice that they are using Wainwright tonight

rather than against the real baseball teams

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has been scary good lately...

I would throw Rick Ankiel tonight.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since Ankiel is back to hitting like a pitcher

Why not just bring him full circle

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um what?

Wainwright has looked scary lately? Scary good?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. I said scary good.

Wainwright’s last 5 starts:

7 IP, 2 ER, 8 K
8 IP, 2 ER, 5 K
8.1 IP, 0 ER, 9 K
9 IP, 1 ER, 12 K
7 IP, 2 ER, 5 K

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I didn’t know if you were joking, meaning scary good as a Cubs fan and he wasn’t doing well.

He’s on my fantasy team, it’s been a bitter sweet year with him.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who were those outings against (just out of curiousity)?

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not too shabby.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Nationals can hit

This might not be as lop-sided as one might think….and I hope its not.

by ak123 on Jul 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

They Nationals have a respectable lineup

at least the top 5 or 6 guys. Morgan, Johnson, Zimmerman, dunn, willingham isn’t that bad. The other 20 guys on the roster are the problem

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

With all the comments from Cards fans about our sweep being meaningless against the Nats...

It will be very interesting hearing what they say about this game if it’s not the blowout they assume they will get. I think the advent of the net and the huge amount of instant comments it generates leads fans to lose perspective on the difficulty of beating opponents you should beat, especially 4 games in a row. No, it doesn’t mean you are ready for the playoffs but it sure is part of getting to that point.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nats

They have a winning percentage that equals out to them winning 3 out of every 10 games. They are 3-7 in their last ten too so tonight is anyone’s game. 23 year old Collin Balester is pitching for them and the Cards have never seen him before.

The Cards will probably win, but it will be even worse for them if they can’t pull it off.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then let's beat the Astros

So we’re in first place at the time!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

A nice win against a good team

And hopefully the harbinger of much more of the same. The Cubs held their own in two of three games in Philadelphia, seeing as the extra inning game could have gone either way. If the pitching continues to hold up and the offense manages to score an average of couple more runs per game, then things don’t look that bad.

by eths on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Just 1 friggin game out of 1st place!

It’s amazing. Truly amazing.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Huge win!

A 5-2 road trip is so much better than 4-3, especially if the Cubs were swept out of Philly. Theriot has limitations, and they have been well documented here, but it is so nice to see a guy that usually impacts each game by always hustling.

Need a minimum 4-3 homestand.

Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...

by slocs55 on Jul 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Theriot was playing both SS and LF simultaneously in this series.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

rover

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's out back peeing on a bush.

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by daver on Jul 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Red Rover

send scrappy right over

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by Archie on Jul 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slightly OT: our favorite fanpost is closed for comments

link

Al, we’ve only got 88 recs . . . can it be re-opened until we get 12 more?

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I was holding out - waiting to be #99

in honor of the great Turk Wendell…

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by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you might still be able to recommend it, just not comment.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Congrats to Archie for having the last post

Why that’s important, I have no idea.

Boy oh boy oh boy

by BleedsbluinMI on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you very much

I’ll live in infamy now.

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by Archie on Jul 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see we're up to 93 recs now. so that's something.

Still, 300 comments would rock.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Glory is like a circle in the water, Which never ceaseth to enlarge itself Till by broad spreading it disperse to naught". William Shakespeare

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flawed? Yes. In contention? Definitely.

Been saying this for weeks. :)

It was a good win. We almost took two from those guys.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

OK... just throwing this out there...

The Pirates appear to be in full clean house mode: GM Neal Huntington tells MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez that none of his players are untouchable.

So, how can the Cubs put together a package for Freddy Sanchez, that makes sense financially for both the Cubs and Pirates? I would’ve loved to have Nyjer Morgan in CF, but our current glut of overpayed OFers rendered that impossible.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand the desire for Freddy Sanchez

He can’t hit for power, run the bases, or play above average defense. He hits a pretty empty .300 for $8 million a year.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The desire is based on a need to stabilize the position for two years.

We’ve used 5 different players at 2B already this year.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought we had somebody at 2nd?

They’re just playing SS now

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Jul 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well... then there's that whole issue also.

But, unless you want Orlando Cabrera, there’s not much available at SS.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

But why stabilize it with not that good

LF is stabilized for the next 6 years, but that makes some here want to leap off a cliff. Same with the whole OF really.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the need...

…I just don’t think Sanchez is the answer. If he’s better than what we have, it’s not by much. And whatever that delta is, it’s probably less than what it would take to obtain him.

If we’re going to cash in what little chips we have left, go out and get a clear upgrade at 2B (or SS and move Riot over).

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any ideas then, on who would be attainable, while also considering our finances?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd vote for not getting a 2B at the deadline

But I know whom I’d target in the offseason: Orlando Hudson. He’s on a 1-year deal with the Dodgers this season.

You want a guy who can hit and play defense – he’s your guy. You’ll have to pay some money to get him, but I think he’s worth it.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes... would be nice.

Would’ve been nicer if we signed him instead of Miles. Hudson got a 1 year $3.38 million base salary , loaded with incentives.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Miles was coming off a career year, while Hudson was coming off injury, so I’m sure that played into it. But still, it would have been nice.

This could be rectified in the offseason, and I hope it will be.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

not too much seems to be available now

so my approach would be to man up with what we got unless Hendry wants to do some dumpster diving at the deadline or after waivers. As long as it doesn’t cost us more than the pro-rated minimum, it’s probably worth trying to get lucky.

For this year – any chip-cashing probably ought to focus on the bullpen. Solve the 2B/SS issue in the off-season. More time for Hendry to get creative and/or more time for the new ownership to shake out. And if that means bye-bye Hendry, then the 2B/SS issue would be the new guy’s first challenge. Chances are, money would not be that great of an issue because Ricketts would not want his own guy to fail right out of the blocks.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

An alternative to Sanchez per Fox Sports:

Marco Scutaro, Toronto, $1.1 million — He’s been worth every penny to the Blue Jays this year, making him the anti-Vernon Wells. Scutaro is set to become a free agent, meaning J.P. Ricciardi could flip him for prospects irrespective of Halladay’s status. There’s a lot to like about Scutaro — the low cost, the postseason experience, the ability to bat leadoff and the defensive versatility (shortstop, second, third).

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't seem like too far-fetched an acquisition.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's who I would target...

A leadoff man that can play those 3 positions? He’d be a great insurance policy for Ramirez. With that contract, Hendry could possibly add some pen help as well.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know that he's much of an upgrade...

He’s been great to this point this year, but I fear that he’s a “sell-high” candidate.

For his career Scutaro is below average. He’s not really a leadoff man: his career high in OBP is .350 for a full season. He’s never had an OPS+ of 100, and only once has he topped 90. His career line: .264/.334/.385.

He does provide the ability to play all the infield spots, but that’s about the only really exciting thing he brings in my opinion. That, and his salary is low.

If he doesn’t cost much, he’s an okay insurance policy for 2B/SS. But I’d prefer Fox’s bat as the insurance policy for Ramirez.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scutaro's numbers are slighlty better than Sanchez's

but it’s his versatility and low cost that set him apart. I’d be happy with that deal.

Scutaro: .286/.384/.815
Sanchez: .306/.345/.803

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scutaro has had a career year so far, which concerns me...

for his career, he’s below-average. His first half is way better than anything he’s ever done before, which makes me nervous that he’ll fade back to his career norms the rest of the way (which wouldn’t be much value to us).

If he keeps hitting at this .800+ OPS clip, he’d be a great add at 2B. But I fear he’ll go back to his sub-.700 OPS ways in the second half.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you would have to give up much...

for 2 months of Scutaro. He’d be nice to have THIS year. They can let him walk if they want next year. Having the playoff experience is pretty nice too. I think it’s an upgrade to the black hole that has been 2nd base this year.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My concern is for THIS year...

2B has been a huge problem. But that was largely because we had to play Blanco/Miles/Scales at 2B for so much time. We now have a platoon of Baker and Fontenot.

I’m not convinced that Scutaro will keep hitting at an .800+ OPS, and I’m not convinced that a platoon of Fontenot and Baker won’t be able to put up a .700+ OPS. In other words, I’m not sure that Scutaro will actually be an upgrade over what we have moving forward THIS year.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

My concern is for this year too.

And still think 2nd base is a problem position and will be for the rest of the year.

Whether Scutaro fills that or not is debatable. Someone asked for a different option than Sanchez so I threw that realistic option out there.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize that...

I was simply providing my opinion on that option.

Yes, he’s a realistic option. I’m just of the belief that we’ll get a .700-.725 OPS (maybe better) from 2B the rest of the way now that we aren’t playing Blanco and Miles. And Scutaro has been a .700-.725 OPS guy throughout his career. I fear that the .800+ OPS he has right now is fool’s gold.

If you think that 2B will continue to be a black hole (sub-.650 OPS) with Fontenot/Baker instead of Blanco/Miles, then Scutaro is still an upgrade. I just have higher expectations for our 2B platoon moving forward.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops... here goes

One season (2006): 7 G, 27 AB, .185/.185/.333 (.519 OPS).

Scutaro has one more playoff hit than Fontenot and Baker combined, in 15 more AB.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info...

Not a considerable amount but being a vet could still help.

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be the concern, definitely.

Is he a good enough fielder at those 3 positions to offset a slumping bat?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is this "empty" .300 hitter stuff?

for both his career and this season, Sanchez is hitting over .300 with runners on base, RISP and RISP w/2 out. These are stats where the Cubs have been just awful. His numbers are .20 to .30 pts over .300 in most of these categories. I think the guy earns his paycheck.

His defense and range seem as good or better than everyone we have at 2B except Blanco, but Blanco will never give us the day to day offense like this. It is time we get a clutch hitter in this line up as I am tired of these innings where we get two men on to start an inning and get a doughnut on the board. That will not cut it down the stretch or (hopefully) the play-offs.

Home runs are fun during the regular season, but small ball is going to get you to the promised land.

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Jul 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd sure take him at 2nd base right now.

I’m not sure given Scutaro’s availability who they should sign…who is available and how much the Cubs are willing to pay…but an upgrade would surely help. Hoping Fonty can suddenly hit against righties and lefties at a high level is NOT a winning strategy at all to me. I don’t care anymore what the best strategy was at the beginning of the season, now is where we are…and the Cubs need some help at 2nd base.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we're picking clean the bones of the Pirates

I’d also inquire about John Grabow. A second decent lefty in the pen should make life easier, and he’s cheap (whatever’s left of $2.3 million this year, then a free agent). 3.07 ERA this year, 2.84 last year. Worth a look.

by Inkin on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard Bruce Levin on ESPN radio this morning say...

…the Cubs may target Grabow or even Gorzellany. Take it for what it’s worth.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gorzellany has been solid since coming to Indianapolis.

He’s dominating Triple-A right now, but I don’t know how it will translate to being back in the Major Leagues. He reminds me a lot of Sean Marshall in terms of stuff, overall.

Plus, he’s a Chicago native and admitted fan of the southside franchise when growing up – I’d rather get Grabow (or try and pluck Snell for a bag of baseballs, though I have questions about him, too).

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know that Snell wants to play major league baseball

He sounded so happy when he got sent down. I think as long as his contract is there and the Pirates don’t make him go up to the bigs, he is perfectly content to dominate AAA.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it's been interesting to hear what he's had to say

He did an interview here in Indianapolis where he said he’s suffered from depression, to the point where the negativity around the Pirates made him think about some extreme measures.

Now, if he can’t handle the negativity in Pittsburgh, I don’t know how he’d fare in Chicago. But if his head got screwed on straight during his stint in Indianapolis, he could be a steal for someone.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do this often, do you?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

wink wink

nudge nudge, KNOW WHAT I MEAN, GOV’NOR?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ben, Ben , Ben, you forgot to use your caps lock...

The correct usage is: HANNA SPEAK!

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

SORRY

I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

FUNNY!

right. Funny videos. Oh, so funny. :D

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great win yesterday.

I’m really pleased with Gregg’s performance. I don’t cringe when he comes into the game like I use to.

Go get the Reds!

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

minor leagues question?

how do jackson and cashner rate versus the divisional starters that may be ready by early 2011 or maybe sooner?

from what i’ve heard, the brewers pitchers are a solid 2 years away.
astros, not so much.
pirates, planning for 2011 or 2012.
reds/cards not sure.

by tim815 on Jul 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Good question for minor league thread.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

if Jim ever grows real hair, he would start by

being creative with his moves. sure you have big contracts, but you have to feel the warm air, not let the fire inside you create a burning dragon!

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Can somebody tell me why Randall Simon was such a good hitter?

Serious question, and Jim, I liked that trade!

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Last post before somebody else posts

from Mlbtraderumors: “Rockies Will Trade For Bullpen Help Today”
Jim Hendry, the Rockies are calling for you… Heilman for Hawpe … jk but seriously get rid of $hits and Giggles boy Aaron Heilman, his time should be up

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

buehrle is perfect through 5 innings

how will the cubs be able to top that

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

By not caring?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Precisely.

He’s through 6 innings now.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

OR BY MAKING A TRADE FOR LIND 2DAY!!!BE A GOOD TRADE.

couldn’t help myself with al the E-Hanna references.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 innings now

I hope he gets it, because hawk will drop an F-bomb

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

See

We all get to win in this situation.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if he gets it, they are in 1st

David Aardsma just saved #24 as Seattle beat the Tigers.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

onto the 9th in Chicago...

MLB.com is offering a free live look-in, as well.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that's the bigger story, but --

David Aardsma?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Did not see David Aardsma becoming a competent reliever.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither did Jim or Lou

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

not Kenny Williams, for that matter.

or Theo Epstein.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the tip

got there just in time to see a great over-the-wall catch by Wise.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, impressive stuff.

Good for Buerhle.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now through 8

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm following along on South Side Sox, just for kicks

Linky

It’s actually pretty hilarious! Not watching the game on TV but evidently Hawk is directly or indirectly referencing said no-hitter cause they are giving him shit big-time in the thread.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wise just made an amazing catch.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

like that catch in straight away center in sanchez’s no no

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Video of the catch here...

http://deadspin.com/5321454/

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eeeewwww, gross!

I feel so dirty after clicking that.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there's one thing I hate more than ridiculous superstition...

it’s ridiculous superstition, mis-applied. The “real” superstition about not mentioning a no-hitter in progress regards the players in the dugout. Maybe some fans have their own fun with it, but the announcer isn’t supposed to be a fan, he’s supposed to be announcing the events on the field. Yeah, I realize the irony of this statement with Hawk, but putting that aside, one of the pitchers having a perfect game going on is a big event on the field that deserves to be announced.

by aldimond on Jul 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not a perfect game

till it’s over, tho. I don’t like Hawk, but I don’t begrudge him not saying the words.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

well Hawk just had

an aneurysm.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

NEVER!

I’ll never hear the end of it from people around town, the media, the voices inside my head…

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll bet Jessica won't congratulate him

He accused Maddux at least once of doctoring the baseball.

He also accused at least one opponent of stealing signs when he got lit up. Not a big Buerhle fan myself, but that’s quite a game.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect games are rare...

Wow.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are indeed.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they'll just play Farmer's call of the events

if that makes it better…

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point...

Probably not :)

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can be perfectly excruciating.

If that’s what you’re into.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the mascot runs on the field??? Crack me up... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Much more than 5 years.

For the rest of your life.

Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.

by oahu420 on Jul 24, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

good for him

i guess

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Paging Dr. Crawdad.....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Good for him

Listening to Hawk at the end of that game will provide me with entertainment for a very long time. No F-bomb, I think had that ball gone out he would have dropped it

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

The last time I heard, "Yessss" that many times was in a porno.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious...

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Hawk call of the year

I haven’t laughed like that in a while.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 23, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats to Buehrle

Shows you that you don’t need a 95 mph fb to dominate

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

so i was reading the yahoo recap on the perfect game

and about 3 comments on the first page reference the cubs

are they really that pathetic?

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, at least they aren't driving around Wrigley Field, tooting their car horns...

…like some Sox fans did within 30 minutes after last out was made for WS win in 2005.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't even really need a car.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

AMEN!

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Racist smears, nice.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what was said about race there...

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god...

… is it only racist if they drop the “n” word? If you honestly think those comments are not racially tinged then you’re delusional, stupid or both.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, the racist one would be you, in that you are choosing to interpret SWL's comment that way.

I, personally, feel as though somebody can bring up the crime rate of a particular area and not be implying anything about race. You assume the two must somehow be related.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there is no racist innuendo here either...

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since he's not big enough to post it here for all to see, here is an email i just recieved (and will not be replying to) from DrCrawdad...
That’s only because you can drive around Wriglyville at night while honking without fear of being carjacked or shot at. – by santoswoodenlegs

you dont need to be honking around the cell…to get shot or carjacked – by jesus christos

You don’t even really need a car. – by Blue W

You don’t even really need a car to be rear-ended in Wrigleyville.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 23, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would he not have the balls to post that here?

Oh yeah….he likes to shout “racism” whenever it seems convenient and wouldn’t want someone to shout “homophobia” when he actually says something homophobic.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 23, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're comment was posted on a public discussion group...

… it was racist in tone and you should be offended. Interestingly, not one Cubbie fan took offense or chided you and others for your idiotic, racist tinged smears.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

CORRECTION: Your comment was posted on a public discussion group...

… it was racist in tone and you should be EMBARRASSED. Interestingly, not one Cubbie fan took offense or chided you and others for your idiotic, racist tinged smears.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its. Not. Racist.

YOU are making it so.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Posting emails without permission.

And of course missing the whole point. They’re both offensive. One is racist.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 23, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you should go ahead and flag my comment then.

Since everything is so black and white in your world…oooops.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 24, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wear it!

Your comments and the others were smears with a racist edge to them. Wear your racism with pride!

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

so high crime rate equals black?

That’s your assertion right? Otherwise, it’s not racist. If I’m not mistaken, the two hillbillies who charged the field and attacked the Royals base coach a few years ago were white weren’t they?

You seem to be the only one who wants to turn this into a discussion about race

by WanderingWanderer on Jul 24, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because that's the only retort he can think of

That won’t get him banned (for example, his e-mail to AJS).

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't particularly care to ask permission.

You are being an insufferable jerk, who, instead of celebrating a quite amazing accomplishment by a member of the team you are a fan of, is instead logging on to a rival teams site, picking fights over innocuous comments, and then taking it off the site and emailing people (unsolicited an unwelcomed) offensive text and photos. If you don’t want to be exposed for doing that, don’t do it. Talk to me on here… stop emailing me.

Go get a beer with your Sox friends man. Celebrate the great thing that took place yesterday. Stop thinking so hard about the team to the north, and certainly stop cheapening that accomplishment by your team by coming here (where, in general we have celebrated the perfect game for you, and i myself have posted videos to wise’s amazing catch) and acting like we have anything to do with it.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

This isn’t meant as a criticism, because I respect your style.

But to let you know because you’re still relatively new here — that’s what Doc does. It’s his “thing”.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well thanks.

You are cool too, for a Badger. :-)

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, it's all Big1T1en

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

My thing...

… is condemning racist tinged smears.

According to “AndrewJStone”

  • racist tinged jokes, acceptable
  • gay tinged jokes, unacceptable

Both are wrong. That was the point of my email.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like someone needs etiquette lessons

Linky

23. Do not use email to discuss confidential information.

Sending an email is like sending a postcard. If you don’t want your email to be displayed on a bulletin board, don’t send it. Moreover, never make any libelous, sexist or racially discriminating comments in emails, even if they are meant to be a joke.
28. Don’t send or forward emails containing libelous, defamatory, offensive, racist or obscene remarks.

By sending or even just forwarding one libelous, or offensive remark in an email, you and your company can face court cases resulting in multi-million dollar penalties.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and maybe a vocabulary lesson

Definitions of sanctimonious on the Web:

holier-than-thou: excessively or hypocritically pious; “a sickening sanctimonious smile”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Making a show of being morally better than others; hypocritically pious; Holy, devout
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sanctimonious

sanctimoniously – in a sanctimonious manner; “she was sanctimoniously criticizing everybody”
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

sanctimony – A hypocritical form of excessive piety, considered to be an affectation merely for public show
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sanctimony

2CD (Single, 20 May 2002)
www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Halo-(UK-band)

sanctimony – The Lieutenant
www.speedylook.com/Eric_Roberts.html

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

And in spite of me ignoring him, now he's just emailing me and calling me an asshole.

Real cool. Keep it classy, man.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's done that to me too

he can’t celebrate the PERFECT GAME his pitcher just threw, he has to come here and complain to Cubs fans…

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 24, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing i don't get is this...

… i didn’t even make the comment he views as offensive. I just stated my opinion that the comment didn’t explicitly or (in my opinion) implicitly mention anything about race. Why pick me out of the crowd to harass with Penn and Teller photos and BIG BOLD FONTS via email?

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because he subscribes to:

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Crawdad attack.

When one of those lunges at your big toe, you don’t question why, you just stomp on it. He’s only here to stir up trouble. I actually had to mark his email as spam, he wouldn’t shut up.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting soloution actually.

Probably going to head that direction if i hear from him again.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nailed it.

I send you an email regarding this discussion that was best, IMO, discussed via email because it would only incite more hate here. You posted the contents of the email here.

I stand by my assessment of you.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tattle tale


Al, the big mean Sox fan sent me an email.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand by my comment about you.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, SWL and AJS are responsible for that t-shirt, then?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love how this shirt is bad

But the version of this sold outside the Cell about Wrigley being a gay bar isn’t offensive.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 24, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice strawman

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jul 24, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

dammit

I knew someone said his name three times.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like I was wrong...

At least one White Sox fan just did a drive-by. Errr.. make that fly-by.

Five helicopters just flew over Wrigley Field. I’m guessing Obama was on one of them as he’s in town for some fund-raiser and landed at OHare earlier today. I didn’t hear any horns though. Which begs the question…

Do helicopters (and airplanes for that matter) have horns? Turn-signals? Rearview mirrors (and the proverbial fuzzy dice)?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 23, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Airplanes have internal horns

Stall warnings. Even if they were audible outside, it wouldn’t be a good idea to make them sound close to the ground.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

i would just like to point out that...

…the comments section of yahoo sports is not really an accurate place to extract fan stereotypes.

by doorpeep on Jul 23, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

A valid point

However, Dr. Crawdad’s postings in this thread here are supporting those stereotypes.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

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