Bradley to Detroit?
by tomas21 on Jul 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT
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Could Bradley be on his way out?
According to WSCR and MLBtradrumors.com, the Tigers are interested in Milton Bradley. Why? I don't know, but yay!
I can't even begin to understand the significance of this. Are they dumping salary to pick up something else? Are they THAT fed up with him?
Who could they be after--I don't know Detroit's team enough to know if this would be a mutual salary dump, or if the Cubs would be taking a low level prospect in exchange for dumping Milt and his salary.
Stay tuned. http://twitter.com/BaseballStone/status/2840085632
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Sources told WGN Radio’s David Kaplan that the Tigers are looking at acquiring Milton Bradley to serve as a DH.
Kaplan doesn’t make mention of a possible Bradley-for-Magglio Ordonez swap, though that might make some sense. Instead, Kaplan thinks it’d be Bradley and cash, likely with little talent coming back.
Go Cubs Go, Fly Eagles Fly, http://twitter.com/mlbtrivia
Addition by a big subtraction ...... grrrrre-AAATTEE!
Now could the Cubs do better with FOX/Hoffpauir/Fuld in RF platoon?
YESSS
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
dont forget Dome with RJ in CF at times
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Maybe that's why he's out of the lineup today! :)
One can dream!
No, Im sure he's hurt in some shape or fashion
or theres a RHP on the mound
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Take him
Please!
And then this “failed signing” becomes a footnote in Cubs history.
Who is gonna play center and right?
Good plan to trade him —but I don’t like Reed Johnson everyday.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
So you're telling me that you honestly thing Sam Fuld
could not only be a successful major league hitter when playing consistently, but would be a marginal improvement over Milton Bradley?
I'm not sold on Fuld.
However I think Sam Fuld would provide better defense.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Marginally.
All the other players mentioned here as realistic replacements – Hoff, Fox, Dunn – would be significantly worse than Bradley defensively.
Ugh.
This just wouldn’t make any sense for the Cubs. We don’t have anything better we can put out there in right field; as mediocre as Bradley has been the alternatives internally are worse.
But the money
would allow us to make another move.
Bradley has not been a good fit, if we could use his money for another outfielder or even top tier stater, id do it.
You either hvae to get someone back or use the money for someone else.
We don't know what the salary considerations are.
They’re certainly going to have to send some money along.
And when you’re a contending team, you can’t afford to dump a useful player in the hopes that you’ll be able to find someone else. It’s not like there’s dozens of right fielders available on the market.
I agree.
Bradley’s been bad .. but at least he has the potential to turn it around.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
He had potential
He had a decent June but bad July. He is walking more which is good. However, he just isn’t turning it around. Soriano on the other hand has. He’s increased his batting average a lot this month.
Sorry, I’m just not a fan of his so I’m going to have to defend the argument of him being gone being good.
Bradley needs to be in a small market to succeed
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Disagree
A platoon between Fukudome/Fox/Johnson/Hoffpauir is just fine.
Plus no one cares for his attitude (fans and probably in clubhouse).
Fox and Hoffpauir?
In right field?
You’re aware that other teams sometimes hit the ball there, right?
Are you aware
Hoffpauir has done a fine job in the outfield this year.
You put Fox in there for a bat and hope it makes up for possible loss runs.
His zone rating would be 2nd worst among qualified right fielders
…if he had enough appearances to qualify.
Small sample size, etc.
I can only talk about games I've seen
And I’ve caught about 50% this year (on East Coast, I think that’s a lot) but I have been satisfied with what I’ve seen. I’ve been more satisified with his OF than his plate discipline.
his discipline at the plate has not been a problem
he is walking a good amount, and takes a lot of pitches. It is making good contact when batting LH that has been hurting him this season
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
That's not saying much.
Does anyone have any satisfaction in Micah’s plate discipline?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
No it's not
But for a casual fan, Micah might not seem like that bad of player. However, I’m not a fan of 3 or 4 pitch strikeouts which is what I’ve seen him do mostly.
I do want to add he’s had some really good plays in the OF. There were two that really wow’d me and unless Reed Johnson makes the catch, I’m usually not overly impressed.
Is Fox becoming "untouchable"
I’m starting to wonder this. If Detroit is looking for DH help, wouldn’t they try to get him from Cubs instead of Bradley.
However with Fox being cheap, maybe Cubs are looking at him being untouchable.
But maybe Hoffpauir is being showcased. He’s getting many more opportunities to at-bat than Fox.
Fox is the backup catcher for now
hard to risk him getting hurt
Good point
But they said Soto might be back August 1st. But I didn’t think of the backup catcher point.
Piniella is happy with Fox
Or I just read an article that said he was, maybe this is why he is not being mentioned alot in trade talks … and I think perhaps Hoffpauir is getting at bats just in case Fox has to come in late at catcher
On another note I completely agree with this statement:
A platoon between Fukudome/Fox/Johnson/Hoffpauir is just fine.
Fukudome has been really solid lately hitting lead off, I think Johnson could be more productive with more at bats and we know Fox and Hoff can hit …. so the question is, if we do somehow get rid of Bradley, does this open some money for a move for Freddy Sanchez ? When all first mentioned it a while ago, I said no way, but now it’s looking more and more like a good move.
"If loving Peyton Manning is wrong, I don't wanna be right"
My old boss at YESNetwork
Did confirm he got reports of the rumors and that it’s a note for their broadcasts….I know that’s meaningless but still I thought it was worth mentioning.
The lame thing about a Hoff/Fox platoon is...
Fox absolutely crushes right handed pitching.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
If the Cubs were serious about dumping Bradley he'd basically be free
Fox would certainly cost something.
If Fox is considered “untouchable” the there’s something seriously wrong in our front office.
I think "untouchable"
is a bad term. It’s probably more like, a decent to somewhat inflated value right now because of his performance, cheapness, and role as a backup catcher.
There is no way
Jake Fox is “untouchable.” We can call up Clevenger or Robinson to be a backup catcher for a week or so.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope the Cubs...
don’t have to take back a bad contract from Detroit.
they have 2 or 3 guys (Ordonez, Nate Robertson and Dontrele Willis) with outrageous contracts for the next couple of years, who are not producing squat right now.
I say dump the salary, get a low-level prospect back and use that saved money to get someone either during or after the season.
Platoon Fox/Hof in RF and bring in Sam Fuld for late inning defense.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 25, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
Some stud already made this a fanshot
No worries :)
Hoffpauir isn’t a terrible stopgap for this year. For next year, how about Carl Crawford? He’s a free agent and it’s widely believed that Tampa will not re-sign him given their system. He’s a legitimate leadoff hitter.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
I love me some Carl Crawford...
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
this was first
and i don’t think crawford is a FA, i think he has a team option.
DEJESUS!!!
Correct...09-10 Club Options...
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not a praying man
but please God, let this be true!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Al did say there was a rumored trade that would make many happy
Let’s be honest, if this were true, many people would be happy.
And happier even more if we got Dunn...
I understand the defensive concerns, but in the NL Central this year, would a bat like Dunn’s win more games for us than his defense would put in jeopardy? Me says yes.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
look at his stats
you might be surprised.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd do the the Bradley for Magglio trade.
He’s only got one more year on a bad contract. A change of scenery could be good for both guys. Magglio loves Chicago too (I believe).
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
As bad as Magglio has been this year
If we were facing him at Wrigley, I’d be scared anytime he was at bat. I think he’d do quite well at Wrigley actually and against NL pitchers.
What happened to Maggs ?
What happened to Maggs ? Did he just get old ? maybe steroids ? bad knee that can’t overcome surgery ? Just two years ago he was batting in the three hundred range .. Any body answer ? Years ago I thought he could probably have a ton of homeruns in Wrigley .. But now I’m unsure if it would be an evev trade . What’s Maggs stats this year ? Enen though IMHO Bradley is not a good fit in a Cubs uniform ..
Change of scenery
Could be very good for him. If I understand his contract status correctly, he’ll be having that anyways. It won’t shock me if he goes to the NL in 2010.
It's
threads like this that make me wonder if Cubs fans really do deserve to see a WS win…..
by CalCalender on Jul 25, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Umm...?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i've been warned
agaisnt name calling but 99 % of the people who have commented here are …. “not smart” and it really makes me wonder if a fanbase this dumb can complain when they arent rewarded with champsionships.
Hitters like Sam Fuld and Micah Hoffpauir will never win a title. ever. not in a million years
No one said Sam Fuld would win a title.
I don’t believe I read that.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam Fuld is plucky .
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 26, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions
posters have said CF and RF would be better served by using
a committee of Fukudome, Johnson, Fox and Hoffpauir (others have added Fuld to that mix) saying that would be better than playing Bradley.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well take anything said on a blog with a grain of salt.
People can hide behind a keyboard.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Thats a pretty weak argument
I havent seen many people on here seriously consider that Hoffpauir or Fuld are better players…how bout the fact that Milton isnt an everyday OFer, that fact alone shouldve dissuaded Jimbo from making this deal and OBP aside, Miltons not really producing as a part time player either…so why are you so shocked people want him gone?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
its not
a good sign for your side if you rely on the likes of “Clutche”
by CalCalender on Jul 25, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
make it green
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
If they
aren’t better players then why dump Bradley? For Jake Fox? Sam Fuld? Micah Hoffpauir? Adam freakin Dunn?
you dont get rid of a good baseball player in a slump and replace him with worse players and expect to win.
I dont take issue with his slump
I take issue with the fact that he cant play everyday in the OF and he cant stay healthy enough to even approach 100 games; he’s best served as a DH and he isnt the left handed, run producing, power bat Lou coveted all offseason.
I know he’s a talented player, but this was a bad fit from the jump.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
this is
stupid. Bradley is well on his way to playing 100 games. He hasn’t been hurt in awhile.
He's eclipsed 100 games three times in his career
Id hardly call that an accomplishment for guy with his talent
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
first
you say he is hurt too much and wont get 100 games. Then I point out thats not true this year and now you point ot years past
Stop Moving the Goalposts.
this is way past a slump. it's been most of the season.
i’d love for bradley to suddenly turn it around, but i’ve given up hope this late in the season. It’d be one thing if he sudden slumped, but he’s slumped almost consistently the entire year. Also, dont chastise him for using past stats, they generally have more value than own feeling on how a player will turn out. If he barely ever stays healthy enough to get to 100 games, then the odds that he will make 100 games doesnt look very good. i agree with bren, hes suited for DH
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 25, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If they could deal Bradley and get Dunn (a big if)
that would be better than replacing Bradley with a Fox/Hoffpauir platoon. Dunn is a defensive liability but he hits, and there is no guarantee that Bradley will turn it around. I would take Mags for Bradley straight up if it was offered, too. A return to Chicago might be exactly what Mags needs to reawaken his bat.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Uhhh... if guys like So Taguchi can win a couple titles
I’m guessing Fuld can contribute to a WS team
Right.
Fuld could contribute as a role player. Not as a full time player. Someone said it earlier, but later in the season when the rosters get expanded I’d love to see Lou go with late inning defensive replacement’s putting RJ, Fukudome, and Fuld in the outfield.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by using
the immortal So Taguchi as an example. Yes lets get rid of Milton Bradley and HOPE that the ghost of So Taguchi inhabits Sam Fuld.
You sir are a true genius
Wow, I didn't know there were such huge Taguchi fans out there...
Better than that let’s just call up the ghost of So Taguchi since clearly he’s not being used properly in AAA…
Come on. All I was pointing out was that guys like Fuld can contribute to a championship team. I’m not saying he should start everyday.
Okay take So out of the example.
Every WS teams have some “unknown” guy that contributes to a team. Dave Robert for example.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Its fans like you
That make me wonder why we even give you 5 seconds of our time.
Thanks for contributing
Seriously.
“Bradley’s a terrible contract. Let’s trade him for Magglio!”
“We’ll be better off with Fox and Hoffpauir in right!”
(slaps forehead)
So you're telling me...
That with all you’ve seen of Bradley this year. You want him here for the next two years? And you think we’re dumb/crazy/ignornat about baseball/insert random insult here
yeah I would
ive seen less than 300 AB’s. That doesnt make me believe a guy with thousands of AB’s suddenly cant hit. Because you know, I use my brain when making evaluations while the rest of you knee jerk and pine for the likes of Sam Fuld and Reed Johnson
nice
real in depth response. Enjoy Reed Johnson as a full time player.
I enjoy you, CalCalendar.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry but over half way through the season isn't making a knee jerk reaction.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
yeah it is
its less than 300 at bats. Lets dump a guy who even when not hitting anywhere close to where he should has the best OBP on the team.
That’ll show em!
So b/c hes done well in one area he should be a candidate for a trade?
Hes no longer an OFer and he’s been down right awful aside from his ability to get on base
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
And has 4 RBI.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Is
Adam Dunn an OF? Jake Fox? Hoffpauir?
None of those guys are as good in the field as Bradley. So why get rid of him?
But Dunn, Fox, Hoff etc are perpetually injured
and Fox and Hoff dont have 30M dollar price tags
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
10 Mill
a year for an OF is NOTHING. And who gives a shit if they are on the field if THEY SUCK ON THE FIELD.
Milton isnt exactly tearing it up out there either
face it, Jimbo got suckered again, he signed a DH coming off a career year playing in a hitters paradise.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
and 10M is a lot when he doesnt play everyday
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
he's healthy
blame lou for not having him out there
Thats as much MBs fault for not producing
which brings me to my point that this was flawed from the start, so we’ll have to agree to disagree I suppose
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
but the point is
he will produce. Thats why we signed him. He is a very good hitter.
You keep shifting the goal posts.
I dont think you can make that assumption
When historically July is his best month and we’re seeing how bad he’s been. I just think Jimbo bought incredibly high on Bradley, and we’re never going to see a sliver of the way he was in Texas.
I dont think Im shifting the argument when my contention all along has been that he’s not suited to a National League player given his constant health woes; Ive never doubted the fact he’s got talent, loads of it
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
the man
is healthy! he hasnt been hurt since may.
Baseball players
struggle.
What is Fontenot’s excuse? Or Soto’s?
Fontenot isnt an everday player
I think thats fairly clear and Soto might very well be a flash in the pan
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
you just
got done talking about how bradley is bad because he “isnt an everday player”
now I cant use fontenot as an example of a good player struggling becasue “he isnt an everyday player”
c-o-n-s-i-s-t-e-n-c-y
No b/c I dont think rational people
every believed Fontenot was an everyday player.
I said Bradley is a bad fit b/c he isnt an everyday player yet is paid like one and isnt meeting the expectations of one.
Fontenot clearly excelled in a partial role last year and to assume that wouldve extrapolated to full time was short sighted
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
who cares
what players are paid. you aren’t the one paying them. its about production. Fontenot was given the starting 2B job and has produced poorly. Same with Bradley. The fans only hate one of them.
Why is that?
I care
As a fan of the team the use of its financial resources effects future personnel decisons, which effects performance which effects my baseball related happiness b/c most fans like to see their team win
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
So
Hendry gave Bradley a market neutral contract that will never be a millstone on the teams neck.
So whats your problem now?
He couldve waited a few weeks
read the paper and seen the economy wasnt hunky doory and gotten someone else at a cut rate.
And now we have an insanely expensive, poorly productive OF, all of whoms contracts, when combined, will handcuff Jimbo in the future
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
good lord
you move more goalposts…..
soriano and fukudome are seperate matters.
Bradley has a pretty standard deal. 10 mill a year is nothing to worry about.
these margins are getting too thin to contine this
But i dont see how you miss the correlation b/t the teams collective contracts, especially the OF,relative to their production. Jimbos miss allocation of resources will come back to haunt us, if its not already, most of which is vested in the OF as he’s done a pretty good job on the IF, Miles notwithstanding
10M might not be much, but we’re not getting that value, are we?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
well good luck with that
I dont share your optimism
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
well lets see
Fontenot has more homeruns, more RBI’s, he is slugging higher, more hits, more doubles you want me to keep going? Bradley is suppose to be a middle of the order guy that is a power hitter and drives in runs, Fontenot is a number 8 hitter. Just go sit down somewhere Mr CalCalender
"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker
Fontenot
has an OPS of .687
Bradleys is .743 before todays HR.
If you want me to sit down then you will have to be in a smaller chair.
Why are those 2 being compared?
they have completely different roles and expectations
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
roles
dont matter. I am tired of hearing that Bradley was here to be a LH RBI guy.
Jim Hendry signed Bradley to be himself. which is a good hitter. So far he isnt hitting. Everyone hates him.
Fontenot was given a starting spot. he hasnt produced either. he gets a free pass for life.
why?
I believe Bradley was signed to be the LH
hitter we so desperately needed after losing three games to the Dodgers.
Im no Fontenot supporter either, but perhaps he’ll pop up on MLBTR and ignite a new debate; surely he’d be easier to replace anyway
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Bradley was definitely brought in to be the LH bat
thinking otherwise is naive
no, he signed bradley to be a LH RBI guy
i really hope youre just trolling us
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
and we're seeing how Hendry logic works
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
1/2 game
:D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly CalCalender is Milton Bradley
commenting from the dugout.
if i was
I would be asking you how you liked my HR.
Also to suck it.
by CalCalender on Jul 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was that you said earlier...
Nice in depth response… or something like that.
you
clearly aren’t worth an in depth response to anything.
Nice. I'll just say. I don't think the Cubs will
regret trading Bradley now. Not this season, and certainly not the next two.
he definitely has the attitude of milton bradley
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 25, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't pine...
I prefer to Fraser Fur.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I do.
He’s a plus defender in right, and he has a long track record of success in the majors. I’m still confident he will be able to figure his problems from the left side and return to his slugging ways.
I'm just kidding around...
Trying to lighten up the mood because instead of having a thoughtful discussion, people are attacking each other.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Why come on here
And trash us and our opinions. A lot of us don’t live in Chicago and don’t have co-workers and friends to talk about their team. I’m not alone in really not appreciating you badmouthing our only form of discussing the cubs.
If you don’t think we’re “smart” enough to have Cubs conversations with you, then don’t even post this sort of crap. It’s totally unnecessary.
why
do you come on here and post nonsense? I have fun talking about the Cubs and yet all you do is litter the threads with half-thoughts and horrible ideas.
Its a two way street buddy, there are many intelligent posters here and they get drowned out in a sea of noise
I think I have very thought out posts
I rarely litter, make fan posts, and I have a very good knowledge of this team.
Thanks for the response!
Maybe you guys
should form a secret society, with Latin passwords and brass door knockers…You don’t need to let any of the common-folk in to litter your elite brotherhood with their half-thoughts and horrible ideas.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Cal...
…I think you have a well thought out position on this subject. But when you go out and attack people, you’re gonna “lose” them.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I'm done talking to him
I’m not one of those people on here who will have a long argument on a post that really does litter the site. There are people who actually want to talk about a potential trade and CalCalender is making it very hard for them to find real conversations.
I apologize to those that I responded but I felt what said needed to be said, because it’s completely wrong for this person to trash our conversation.
I agree. I usually enjoy your thoughts.
I don’t see Cal on here a lot, so he may not know.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Thank you
I dont have the rich 30 year history of watching the Cubs like a lot of people on here. But I have religiously watched every game I can and I think I can add to any discussion on here. And I would never come on here and make a comment like that to anyone, even if they TYPE IN CAPS.
i cant
“win” them though. You could point to stats and facts all the live long day and 90 % of the people here would just shrug and continue to hate Bradley and want more of Sam Fuld.
And that's fine to not "win" them over.
But when you start attacking people that’s not going to do any good. Ya know?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Here is Kap's blog piece on this...
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 25, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
Please
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
God
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Yes
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
tomas
can you post what Stone’s twitter says, it won’t let me in.
ok, everyone keeps saying
Jake Fox
Sam Fuld
Micah Hoffpauir
has everyone forgotten we have Reed Fkin Johnson?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Glad I'm not the only one
that just wants to dump Bradley for whatever.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
Reed Johnson
actually hasn’t been all that great this year, and he’s REALLY not a full-time player.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
but the group
is the point.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
The group?
I wouldn’t want Fox in right field. I don’t think Fuld and Hoffpauir can match an effective Bradley (which, I agree, we haven’t really seen yet). And ReJo is Dome’s platoon partner.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like Reed
But if he didn’t have his famous defensive webgems in the last couple years, would he be nearly as popular among Cubs fans or just looked at as a “4th outfielder”?
speak of the devil
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Did he really?
haha….how ironic
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Bruce Miles on NSBB Board...
Says the following
Total hogwash. Two Cubs people said it’s the first they’ve heard of it and that Jim hasn’t talked with anybody about this. Let’s remember Stone has a, um, a, shall we call it, a thing for the Cubs. And Kap is his buddy.
This is total fabrication.
Well it made for a fun 30 minutes on here
Keep dreaming I guess.
Yes keep dreaming that we can make our team appreciably worse
This is as dumb of an idea as Rogers’ idea of dumping Z for nothing.
I wasn't against this trade
And well, the fans don’t like him. I’ve never seen so much bad mouthing towards someone than I did in Philly and DC.
I am not for or agaisnt it
until I know what the return is, and not a speculated return
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Agreed.
I’m just assuming, for no good reason, it’d be for Maggs. That I would be okay with. Bad contract for bad contract. Maggs only has one more year.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
true
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Werent they in hot pursuit of him a few years ago
When he had that huge knee surgery done overseas?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Mags has been significantly worse than Bradley
…and costs more than Bradley next year.
We would be a worse team with him in the outfield.
Maybe a change of scenery
Is Maggs hurt or what ? Seems like he fell off the charts . Just old age ? Hurt knee ? Maybe ? steroids ?? never heard a rumor of steroid use . Just seems he was so good foe the sox and early Tiger years .
Also
Maggs is a clubhouse problem even more than Bradley.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 26, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
Care to explain this statement?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I've only heard great things
He’s been on two teams his whole life and for long tenures. That’s not a clubhouse cancer to me.
Heard the same thing
Never heard he was a clubhouse problem . Just wondering how he fell off the map with his batting average . another Bradley ? Maggs has been consistant his whole career . If Maggs is healthy , maybe Bradley or Maggs can turn it around .
Well Kap specifically mentioned he had two solid sources.
Makes me think it’s not hogwash.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
one "source"
was steve stone. the other was the fairy that lives in Kaps head
wish I knew the sources
they could be Dusty Baker and Ozzie Guillen for all we know
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Well you gotta assume that a journalist...
….is going to be fairly reliable. I use the word fairly with a lot of caution in this day in age.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
if paul sullivan
a paid full time journalist can admit that he gives players bad coverage if they are mean to him
then the term “journalist” doesnt mean much anymore.
Of course
The deal doesn’t make any sense. Well, getting rid of Bradley’s contract makes sense, but we’re a game out of first and we have no one to take over for him in right field this season.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 25, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
good.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
This did seem a bit too good to be true, depending on your POV of course
I look forward to the 250 or so combined games he’s got left in him the next 2 plus years
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Can we at least all agree
That Heilman sucks?
by Hilary Lee on Jul 25, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
how bout Wuertz?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
He's is available
Beane’s summer fire sale is on and Wuertz is likely to go (Angels seem most interested) even after yesterday’s classic Wuertz outing.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would Lou take Wuertz back?
Or, rather, we might ask, why would Wuertz be effective under Lou this time when he supposedly wasn’t before?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
I wasn't suggesting they get Wuertz
only mentioned that the A’s are marketing him.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
another rec
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Maybe there is a 3-team trade in the works?
Didn’t Al mention that we were interested in a pitcher yesterday? Maybe Bradley goes to the Tigers, the Tigers ship prospects, and we get Cliff Lee? I know its not probable, but a guy can dream
Wait.......... WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We get Cliff lee for Milton Bradley? Why wouldn’t the Tigers just take Cliff Lee?
That makes no sense at all. one of the dumbest dreams I’ve ever heard.
FIRE VDN
And he hit
a pinch-hit home run.
I don’t think he’s going anywhere. If I’m Hendry, I don’t do this unless the Tigers are picking up at least half of the salary.
Here’s a thought. Al said this would make us happy. The Tigers have any pitchers we can use?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
They have a bunch of young starters
Porcello… Jackson… but I doubt they would trade them. Also Galaraaaaga… but would that really make us happy?
it would make me happy
listening to Ron try to pronounce his name over and over again.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm quite puzzled...
at this reaction. I could certainly understand support for a rumor along the lines of "Bradley to Detroit for cash, Cubs in talks with Team X for Outfielder Y (Adam Dunn perhaps), but this is just ridiculous.
I can’t believe so many people want to throw in the towel with Bradley and replace him with 4 average to below-average players. Also keep in mind only 1 of those 4 has proven himself in the major leagues. Only 2 of them can play competent defense. And the only one that has consistently hit has less than a 1/8 of a season’s worth of statistics. I’m confused.
We have a player with a history of actually being a good baseball player; because he is underperforming, we want to replace him with a craptastic and largely unproven platter?
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Jul 25, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Ridiculous, isn't it?
Cutting off your nose to spite your face….
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 25, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
and I should have known that yelling about it wasnt going to change anything. something to work on i guess
Read the rest of the remarks
Scattered as they may be, the two arguments are in there….somewhere
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Yea I agree
But this board shockingly turned into discussion of what would happen if we traded him into someone trashing the opinions of all of us on this board. Seems to always happen on any post that has close to 200 comments in an hour.
I guess that's because
If we discuss a trade rumor that could have a very big impact on the team we’re clearly stupid.
Apparently just me
Supposedly I bring absolutely nothing to this board, I litter threads and have no knowledge of baseball :)
No mention of this whatsoever on the Tigers SBN sight
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Guess it's unsubstantiated anyway
The weird thing is, Steve Stone had to come up with this from somewhere. He hates the Cubs, yes, but would he really just completely make this up? Doesn’t make much sense.
Perhaps Detroit has only had internal discussions regarding him.
I doubt a trade will take place.
Are they nearly as active as this board?
Plus their game just started. They probably have been out enjoying their Saturday.
Good point
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Are you implying...
that they have more a life than we do? :-p
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No it's because some of you dislike Bradley so much
that you’re either willing to make the team worse by getting rid of him for nothing, or that you’re so biased by your dislike of Bradley that you think guys like Reed Johnson, Hoffpauir and Fuld would be an improvement in his place every day.
by Wreckard on Jul 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well we're all entitled to our opinions
We’re not entitled (atleast I don’t think I am) to having someone on here bad mouth my posts and state:
" why do you come on here and post nonsense? I have fun talking about the Cubs and yet all you do is litter the threads with half-thoughts and horrible ideas"
That was uncalled for 110%.
by ak123 on Jul 25, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone is entitled to their opinions
They are not entitled to be taken seriously.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
ak
is forgetting to mention his comment right before the one he quoted from.
If he wants to wonder why I come here and slam opinions that I find offensive then I can wonder why he posts those opinions.
like I said before, its a two way street.
And rely
And rely on a very biased Chicago media who have never given Bradley a chance.
You cannot trust a word from them on Zambrano, Bradley and Soriano especially because they have all made it personal. When they make personal attacks even the smallest one they lose all credibility.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 26, 2009 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Rec’d.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In play, run(s)
Gotta love seeing that when it’s against the Cardinals on Gameday.
Dear Lord....
I pray this deal falls through…. Who plays rightfield Micah Hoffpauir or fox? Maybe reed or have him as a late inning defensive player???? YAHHH RIGHT…..The only people that believe that are the people who believe fontenot is an everyday player.
Let's hope
Much like Cubs in the 13 innings, Cards are also not Werthy and Phillies can add some runs.
phillies just loaded bases with two outs.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
two strike two out base hit by pedro feliz. 2 rbis on single. 3-0 phillies.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't realize this was on FOX
Much easier to watch than following on gameday!
I'm getting
the damn White-Sox game.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
well
that’s a consummation devoutly to be wished! :D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 25, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW... Bruce Miles just shot this down on NSBB...
Of course, he frequently likes to think he’s the man in Chicago media and declare things as absurd when he doesn’t get the scoop… so maybe it’s that, or maybe it’s not. Just thought I’d pass it along.
And nice, Phillies just went up 3-0 on the Cards!
ya but detroit guys have also put rumor to bed.
and considering Steve Stone and Dave Kaplan were the two who initially reported the rumor. You have to take it with some grain of salt since they are friends. However though since it does involve Tiger’s and Stone is in Detroit you never know.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say Bruce Miles is the least likely
Cubs beat person/reporter to have an ego about this kind of thing. I’d believe Miles 100 times before I believe stone once when it comes to the Cubs, and especially on the subject of milton bradley
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
But don't you get more of a
“I’m still pissed off at the Cubs and its possible Milton Bradley punched me” vibe from Stone?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Not just Miles
This has also been shot down by Jason Beck who is the Tigers beat reporter for MLB.Com as well as Paul Sullivan. So you have three beat writers who cover the 2 teams that this rumor involves saying it’s not true. On the other hand you have noted journalist Steve Stone and his echo chamber Dave Kaplan saying that something is going on. I’d tend to think the 3 beat reporters are slightly more credible.
All this talk is about nothing, signifying nothing, it's crap from two idiots...
Get a grip people. Bradley isn’t going anywhere. It was Stone and Kraplan that reported this “rumor”. That is all that any intelligent, informed fan of the Chicago Cubs needs to know in order to realize it simply is not true.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
I am with you.
Find it weird that the only 2 people who initially reported it are friends. and even though I loved Steve Stone as the color man for the Cubs and I think he got screwed when he was let go. You can tell he was unhappy with how it ended with Cubs and it appears he has made it personal with Hendry. Also Kaplan has always looked out for his buddy stone. Praising his knowledge and advocating that Stone be hired into the front office. Even saying Ricketts should hire Stone as a front office executive/adviser.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Stone didn't get let go... he left.
Second, Stone has been trying to get into ownership or front office of many clubs for many years. No one will touch him with a ten foot pole- because all he is an announcer, a color guy- he sounds intelligent only when he has points right in front of him to talk about. Kraplan? He’s an idiot.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 25, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
he was not wanted back. either was chip. cubs did not offer either of them another contract.
Cubs wanted chip and stone gone. and that is exactly what happened.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You believe what you want to believe.
Stone was told he could stay if he could stick to broadcasting & stop insinuating himself into the clubhouse. He couldn’t do that, and he left. Chip didn’t want to be in Chicago without Stone, so he went to work with his Dad. They both left. Good riddance.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
thats the PR spin.
After the debacle in 04 and with those incidents involving getting thrown off planes. players calling up to broadcasting booth. cubs wanted them out and they did that.
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No, actually that is the truth. What you are purporting is the "spin".
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 25, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Chip wanted a big raise and the Cubs/WGN didn't offer it to him.
Chip and Stone spent most of August of ‘04 lobbying for a new deal for Chip to no avail(thank god). Then they attacked the team. Yes, the Cubs offered stoney a contract, with no raise and with conditions and he left. The Cubs/WGN really didn’t want him back and he conitnues his bitter hissy fits all the time.
They are glad he’s gone and NEVER coming back. I’m glad too.
Sadly
Sadly one of the things about the new management in charge at WGN is Dave Kaplan has less credibility than most of our dogs.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 26, 2009 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions
How did the game turn out for the Cards?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that bad,
they only gave up two touchdowns.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
That Cardinals outfield are amazing so far. I’d be frustrated if this was against us!
I wouldn't mind getting Inge
Granted he usually doesn’t hit well when he’s catching he can play almost anywhere defensively
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jul 25, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
Dombrowski was supposed to have said...
he has no use for Bradley. This according to an updated report from ’GN.
Seems to me Stoney and Kap (’GN up and coming corporate butt-kisser) need a new hobby. Oh wait forgot, Stoney has one, its listening to crickets during those great PbP calls coming from the TV booth 9 miles south.
Just win the next game...!
Radio call
I don’t know if it’s online but the radio call pf the last out of Buerhle’s perfect game was excellent.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 26, 2009 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Lynch or Himes
I forgot which one but one said that a lot of rumors they hear are the first they even heard or thought of it. One said over 50 percent.
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bradley
wont get my hopes up but yes it would be great to unload bradley. obviously mgt has realized what every other team that has had him did. not worth the trouble. of course if he was hitting 330 instead of 230 we would overlook his faults im sure. not to say he could,nt be a productive player over the next 2 years but i never liked his attitude and knew this signing would be a disaster. his season is lost and a change of scenery would benefit him im sure. fox, hoffpauir.reed koskue. these would all be better options in right as bradley shows no signs of coming out of his funk.
That's exactly what we needed on this beautiful Sunday morning - an original thought.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
fox, hoffpauir.reed koskue. these would all be better options in right
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
If it's like normal
If it’s like every other year all the rumors we hear will have been pulled out of reporters rear ends and what happens will not even be hinted at in the papers.
While I don’t think we’ll get Halliday remember everyone said that I was as likely to be traded to the Bears as the new QB as Jay Cutler. I know different sport but the same media. In fact 10 minutes before the trade ESPN listed 10 possible destinations for Cutler and the Bears weren’t on it.
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Bradley to Boston?
Any chance the “rumor that will make us all happy” is sending Bradley to Boston? Mlbtraderumors.com says that they are looking for a bat who can play right field…
The other point to look at is
Is Bradley not making any friends in the clubhouse after all these months?
Moving him for that reason alone might help the team mesh better. I’ve read he isn’t the clubhouse cancer everyone think he is, but I also read Soriano’s comments so I’m mixed on this.
who says
he’s not making friends? Several Cubs players have said that they think he’s a stand up guy, who plays baseball well. Lee likes him well enough to have called him after the incident with Piniella.
None of us have insight into the clubhouse beyond what players have stated. Named players have stated that he’s fine.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But we also read the comments from Soriano and Sarah Spain who is in the clubhouse doing interviews said herself on this board that she rarely saw Bradley interacting with the other players. While, I still take anything as a grain of salt, I believe that statement.
he's a guy
who is down on himself when he’s not producing.
I agree, he makes things more difficult for himself. But he’s starting to do better. Maybe we’re going to see him break out. He sure was charged up today.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do professionals being paid millions to do their jobs
need to be friends in order to work professionally?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
Cub_Fan_Daver Tweets this link
… a classic takedown of Steve Stone’s credibility. What a POS.
http://wrigleyville23.com/2009/07/steve-stones-creepy-little-world.html
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
Don't ya think....
…Stoney needs to decompress his Cubs hate just a little bit.
This guy lost credibility a long time ago in my book, and hopeuly, now most fans can see what this guy is really all about.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
the cubs are stuck with 3 outfiled stooges
the cubs are stuck with an outfield of bradly kosuke and Soriono for all season. See what spending all this money will bring you. the cubs were beeter off in the late ninties when they were cheaper
take it easy
why care about a bloggers grammar
the first place Cubs?
once again, I think you need to change your username.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's see. Were they beeter off
or were they better off? That is the question.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Yeah they were totally better off in the 90's
Remember how they sucked every year? That was awesome.
cmon, now
spending money = bad. The Cubs should hold open tryouts, and play all new, non-system players!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
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