It's Really A Night Game, Rich Harden: Cubs vs. Reds Preview, Sunday 7/26, 1:20 CT
by Al on Jul 26, 2009 11:00 AM CDT
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Rich Harden's day/night splits this year are well known, but just so you don't have to look them up again:
Day games: nine starts, 1-5, 7.38, 11 HR in 42.2 innings
Night games: seven starts, 5-1, 2.23, 6 HR in 44.1 innings
So what the Cubs should do is: turn the lights on today, even though it's supposed to be sunny most of the afternoon, give Harden sunglasses so it looks darker, wear the blue alternate jerseys (the Cubs' record while Harden pitches and the team wears pinstripes is 1-3; it's 7-5 with the alt jerseys), and reset all the clocks in the clubhouse so that it will seem to Harden as if the starting time is 7:05.
Yes, I know. It shouldn't make any difference, but for some reason, this year it does. And for his career, Harden's day/night splits aren't nearly as extreme (career day-game ERA: 3.83; career night-game ERA: 3.13). Still, splits that extreme over the course of 16 starts have to mean something.
The Tribune's real estate section today tells us that Ryan Dempster is becoming a North Side real estate mogul:
Chicago Cubs starting pitcher Ryan Dempster, who currently is on the disabled list, has paid $480,000 to buy a two-bedroom condominium on the North Side, giving him a third piece of residential real estate on the Cubs' side of town.
Dempster's newly-built unit has Brazilian cherry hardwood floors throughout, recessed lighting, high ceilings, crown moldings, walk-in closets in both bedrooms, and a kitchen with an island, granite counters and stainless steel appliances, according to listing information. Other features include a large private deck and a master bath with a Jacuzzi, a double vanity and a steam shower with jets. The unit had been listed for $499,900.
Dempster is scheduled to be activated from the DL and start Tuesday night vs. the Astros. Hope he's used that Jacuzzi to help heal that broken toe.
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The last time the Cubs saw Micah Owings in Chicago, he was facing Rich Harden on April 21, one of Harden's better outings at home this year. That game resulted in the first-ever homer by a Micah (Hoffpauir) off a Micah (Owings). Owings pitched a little better against the Cubs in Cincinnati on June 5, but the Cubs won that game anyway. Owings has allowed 16 HR this year, but Hoffpauir is the only player on the active Cubs roster who has homered off him... time to change that today. It may be more important to watch out for Owings' bat: he is a .294 lifetime hitter and has hit three homers this year. (His games played total above, 32, includes 14 pinch-hitting appearances, in which he's gone 3-for-14 with two doubles and a HR.)
As noted above, the April 21 game -- a night game -- was one of Harden's few good outings at Wrigley Field this season. He is 3-0, 2.95 lifetime vs. the Reds and even the dreaded Joey Votto, who is becoming a Cub-killer (10 of his 42 career HR have been against the Cubs), is 0-for-5 vs. Harden.
The Cubs are on WGN today, also on FSN Ohio for those of you who have EI. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Please visit our SB Nation Reds site Red Reporter.
Overflow comment threads will post today at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Good luck convincing Rich of that...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about putting a blindfold on him for the day?
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jordan once shot free throws with his eyes closed.
It just might be crazy enough to work…
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get to see the game because I'm traveling up for the Astros' series
"No enemy is more dangerous, than the enemy that has nothing to lose." Mark Grace
by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Jul 26, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HELL YEAH!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be nightime in China... does that count for anything?
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 26, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Curley: "Hey Moe! I can't SEE. I can't SEE"...
Moe: “Why?”
Curley: “Because I’ve got my eyes CLOSED!”
Might work for Rich- nyuck, nyuck, nyuck…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade rumors please
I want more trade rumors like bradley for haren or who we can get for miles and heliem. COME ON JIM GET IT DONE!!!!!
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 26, 2009 11:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you want more
disproven rumors? Ok.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Steve Stone will tweet some more baseless rumors.
::crosses fingers::
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a special place in hell for Stone, Kraplan & Selig...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jul 26, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the demons believe in them...
…and shudder.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitter much?
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy?
Or Stoney?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jim.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 26, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no new rumors, but Steve Stone would like everyone to get a life.
From his Twitter account:
To all the people who believe who believe that david kaplan and i made up the bradley story—-get a life. Trade deadline rumors are not new.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stoneys a little angry
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I would say so.
good grief. Just a wee bit defensive about it, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh Steve, we have
lives. We aren’t the ones making stuff up to get attention.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he continues to take shots at Bruce Miles, too.
you stay classy, Steve Stone. His latest tweet:
The giants need a hitter to make a run at the wildcard. Word out is that the nats nick johnson might fill their needs. Chase that down bruce
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$HIT MY BAD MY BAD MY BAD MY BAD
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worries.
might as well make sure everyone can see Steve Stone’s classlessness right now.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a guy. I am
so glad he’s not with the Cubs organization.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww....someone called him out and now's he's defensive...
I’ve never been a fan of his, but now he’s just sounding like a 4th grader.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
Dempster’s place does not have a bidet? Missing out on one good time.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know if the wind is blowing out?
Because if it is, with these two homer-prone pitchers on the hill, it could be a wild game.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dempster’s newly-built unit has Brazilian cherry hardwood floors throughout, recessed lighting, high ceilings, crown moldings, walk-in closets in both bedrooms, and a kitchen with an island, granite counters and stainless steel appliances, according to listing information. Other features include a large private deck and a master bath with a Jacuzzi, a double vanity and a steam shower with jets.
Where’s the rich Corinthian leather?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear it comes with leather-bound books
and smells of rich mahogany.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano HR
Hasnt Zambrano also homered off of Owings?
by MissouriKev on Jul 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacuzzi
I thought Kerry Wood is the reason for players being banned from using their jacuzzi during the regular season?
Bold prediction of the day: Harden hits a HR and steals a base.
by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineup anyone?
Len and Bob say no DLee
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That scares me, DLee never sits.....unless that disc is acting up..
by JB 23 on Jul 26, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He takes days off like every other starter
But the timing does seem suspicious. However, if his neck is the problem, a little extra rest was all it took the last time…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Domely
Riot
Ram Star
Foxy
Brad Stain
Sori
Mouse Boy
Over the Hill
Rich Gives me a …..
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox!
Woo!
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how
he doesn’t play for an extended period of time but when he does he bats fourth.
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELL YEAH!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can;t they get him into the lineup 4 days a week? WTF?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy swings a good bat...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
let's hope he can pick a Theriot worm-burner or two, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Foxy!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad Dome is
at lead off.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs cannot lose this game
if they would like to display they really are contenders. This stupid Harden-in the-daylight crap is just that. Just pitch. If he is the elite pitcher he’s made out to be — this guy needs to step up his game.
The Reds are reeling, Dusty’s head is spinning — the Cubs must stomp on this team quickly. No letdowns. With the hot Astros ahead, this is a must win.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they lose, it'll suck
but losing a single game in July is just that…a single game in July.
I hope and think they’ll win (if they can contain Votto), but they’ll still be contenders win or lose.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and I usually don't put much on any single game this early
But given the injuries, and the problems and the adversity the team has faced all season — this one game (at least, to me) stands out as very important.
A struggling team, with Harden having ‘daytime’ problems — this is the type of game a team that has pennant aspirations must put aside difficulties and just…win.
The Astros are streaking, like the Cubs. I don’t think they can continue, but they have had a history of playing better later in the season. The Cubs have no such history. The Cubs need a sweep. No excuses.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sweep would be terrific
But I think if every Cubs fan pre-marked “must-win” games on a single calendar, all 162 would eventually be circled. I’ll root for the sweep, but a tight game either way probably won’t kill any momentum (4W, 2L, 3W) the Cubs have going at this point.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Rich (the vampire) has
a good outing today. I hope Derrek’s neck responds well to treatment so he’s not out long. If Hoff is taking his place he needs to start hitting the ball better.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t the last time he played first in place of Lee he hit a 3R HR?
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long ago
was that?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first game of the double header i think
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly, I don't fully understand BABIP...
but Rich’s BABIP in day games is .368 and in night games it’s .252. So he’s definitely had some bad luck in day games.
by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
During night games on balls hit in play its a hit 1/4 of the time, during day games its a hit almost 2/5 of the time. I think thats how it works.
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of an unnecessary stat to me
A hit’s a hit… and, you have to put the ball in play to get a hit. So, just look at batting average against.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is on the balls that are hit in play, how many of them translate to outs.
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The differences between BABIP and BAA
BAA takes into account HRs and Ks, while BABIP ignores them. Pitchers have a lot of control over strikeouts (more than just about anything else they do, in fact), some control over HRs (most pitchers have a lot of control over the number of fly balls hit against them and fairly little control over how many of those fly balls leave the yard). And pitchers have very little control over how many fair, non-HR balls hit at a given trajectory drop in for hits. So BABIP is one measure of a pitcher’s luck, where BAA measures some aspects of skill and some of luck together.
by aldimond on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but BABIP is basically a stat that removes K’s and HR’s from BA. So, literally looking at the batting average on balls that are put into the field of play — so it’s dependant on D, to a an extent. I don’t know how useful it is, but a split that extreme has to mean something.
by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it means
He’s been better at night. I dunno though.
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP, for pitchers, is basically a measure of how lucky they've been.
Most major-league pitchers have similar BABIPs, and variation in BABIP from the league average is, for most pitchers, non-repeatable. For most guys it’s a measure of how well your defense plays behind you and how lucky you’ve been.
There are a handful of pitchers that are exceptions and consistently (over several seasons) average lower BABIPs. I don’t think anyone on the Cubs is one of them.
by aldimond on Jul 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The luck doesn't translate to me....
You give up an extra base hit or a solid single… that’s not luck. There’s nothing the defense can do to make that an out.
You give up a groundball single because the runner was moving and pulled the 2nd baseman out of position… maybe that’s luck. Or, maybe that’s good fundamental baseball by the opposition.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever it is it for the most part isn't repeatable for a pitcher
and guy with a high BABIP isn’t significantly more likely than a guy with a low BABIP to have a high BABIP.
Whatever it is, it certainly acts like luck.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*have a high BABIP going forward from that point
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it's a useless stat to me
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but a guy who's had a high BABIP is going to have allowed more hits and runs
and a guy who’s had a low BABIP won’t have given up much.
But part of that performance will be based on something that isn’t repeatable for the vast majority of players, and they should be expected to move towards the average in both BABIP and actual performance stats.
BABIP doesn’t tell you how good a player was, it gives you a clue to how good they will be compared to their previous performance.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 26, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a couple things that are important to note.
First, if I went and pitched to major-league hitters for a thousand innings, my BABIP would be through the roof. Every hitter would square up my flat 60MPH fastball. Hard-hit balls and line drives fall in for hits at a greater rate than others. Pitchers that give up line drives and hard-hit balls at a high rate are weeded out in the minor leagues.
Second, there are some expected variations in BABIP. An extreme FB pitcher will probably have a slightly lower BABIP over a long period of time than an extreme GB pitcher, because GBs go for hits at a higher rate than FBs — however, the GBs rarely go for XBHs and almost never for HRs, which is why GB pitchers are effective.
Third, variation among hitters in BABIP is often significant — it’s still considered a noisy stat, but hitters have a lot of control over their ability to square up line drives and hit the ball hard. That seems to be what affects BABIP the most. Pitchers, at the ML level where all the really bad players are gone, don’t seem to have nearly as much control over that. There are a handful of pitchers that do, and none on the Cubs.
by aldimond on Jul 26, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's gotta be a way to blame Bradley
Drops more balls with the sun in his eyes, maybe?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley will hit a HR today. I have the mind of a tiger stalking its prey.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds that he walks?
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give 50% odds he walks with RISP
instead of driving in a run.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he’s a free swinger today huh?
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walking with a RISP
Isn’t a bad thing.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is, when you're getting paid to drive in runs...
And, instead… you’re taking walks and watching the lineup behind you fail to drive in the run as well.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it is Milton's fault the rest of the lineup sucks?
If there are runners on first and second, walking loads the bases. That’s good. If a hitter walked every time he was at the plate he’d be worth millions.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a team that always walked with RISP
would score infinite runs in every inning that had a runner get in scoring position.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 26, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
but I’m talking about an individual hitter.
If all a guy did was walk, every time he was batting, he’d have an OPS of 1000…for comparison sake, only three guys in the NL have an OPS over 1000 – Pujols, Fielder, and Ibanez.
Milton walking is not a bad thing. Milton getting outs is a bad thing, and walking means he’s not getting outs.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it doesnt warrant 10mil
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100 %
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The day-night split is from 4 starts
4 BAD days, 12.2 IP 22 ER (ERA=15.6)
other 5 days starts 30 IP, 13 ER (ERA=3.90)
so it’s a probably a 50-50 shot between solid outing, and total meltdown.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Intresting.
although 3.9 ERA isn’t exactly amazing, but its only 30 IP
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Jul 26, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, just in case...
Did Marshall pitch yesterday?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 26, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
attaboy!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol stoney takes another shot at bruce
The giants need a hitter to make a run at the wildcard. Word out is that the nats nick johnson might fill their needs. Chase that down bruce
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
another Stoney twit
To all the people who believe who believe that david kaplan and i made up the bradley story—-get a life. Trade deadline rumors are not new.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted that above
What a tool. Seems like he should be looking in the mirror with that “get a life” statement. Worry about your own team, Stone Pony, and never you mind what’s going on with the Cubs.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i feel like $HIT ABSOLUTE $HIT!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't let
it bother you too much.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's talking about Stoney...
Don’t worry your quirky mind over it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
How is that a shot at Bruce??
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Sorry, missed “bruce” at the end of the Tweet.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
He may be just joshing with Bruce. Baseball guys are allowed to have senses of humor, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the feeling that
there’s anything friendly aboout it. Bruce posted in yesterday’s recap…there doesn’t really seem to be any love lost between those two.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You read that whole thing?
My browser crashed when I hovered my mouse over the link…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 1:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You stay classy steve stone
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Bruce follow a Giants rumor that has nothing to do with the Cubs ?
Get a life Steve
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Steve follow
a Cubs rumor that has nothing to do with the White Sox? It’s freakin’ ridiculous.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Score pays Stone to follow both teams
So it is his job to cover Cubs stuff too, he just needs to do it without the grudge.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he can't
So he shouldn’t.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its been especially bad this season
and it mostly centers around Milton Bradley. There is obviously a story there.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs I get
but why use a GIANTS /NATS rumor to take a dig at Bruce ? Really petty .
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Stone
for you.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 26, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope bruce tracks i down
and finds out its as much BS as the Bradley rumor. Just to get under Stone’s skin some more.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some rumor news
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by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I may be an idiot
but I don’t want Zack Duke
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasons?
You’re killin’ me Smalls!
by dtc0405 on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 prospects is a lot for a guy who I don't think is that good
I’ve just never been impressed with Duke. If he was cheaper to trade for thats one thing, but 4 prospects is quite the price.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the prospects, I suppose.
Duke would be another young, cost-controlled starter. He seems like he’s coming into his own now that Jim Colborn isn’t around to mess with him anymore. He’s a young Doug Davis and could potentially replace Lilly down the road.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one does not replace lilly
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
How about Lilly passing along his tips of domination to Duke?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they worked for kevin hart
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed they have.
“How to Take Charge and Dominate the Major Leagues” should be mandatory reading for all Cubs minor league pitchers.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think that was for Gorz. and Grabow.
but if it’s Duke and Grabow expect much better prospects.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
26 year old solid lefty...
pretty good. But, the Pirates would be stupid to trade him. They’re never gonna get anywhere at this rate. At some point, they’ve got to keep talent, and Duke isn’t making a ton of money.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Though if they’re looking to get Gorzelanny back to Pittsburgh, clearing a rotation spot for him may be needed.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jul 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke's '09 stats
3.42 74SO 34BB 1.23WHIP
His career numbers aren’t overwhelming, but he at least he now appears to be figuring things out now at the major league level. But making the deal would depend on what the Pirates want for Duke. He is making $2.2 mil this year, under team control for 2 more seasons, I believe
You’re killin’ me Smalls!
by dtc0405 on Jul 26, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I just want to say that Jack Wilson sucks
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also he is a shortstop.
So then we’d have two middle infielders playing out of their natural positions. You’re right, no thanks.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think we'd move Theriot to 2B?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That move wouldn't make any sense. Basically replace Fontenot with Wilson, a guy who hits worse.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't it make sense?
Theriot, as has been discussed around here ad nauseum, would be a much better 2B than a SS.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson is a terrible hitter.
He improves your defense, but the offense might be worse.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Lou is the manager
I believe you will never see Riot play anywhere but SS.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord
If the Pirates trade Duke the fans might try to burn down the stadium. Sanchez & Wilson I get but Duke ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder who
the 4 prospects are?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates have been so dumb with their trades
Maybe we can convince them Miles is a prospect.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, he is not exactly tearing up AAA
.231/.275/.505 3RBI 0HR
You’re killin’ me Smalls!
by dtc0405 on Jul 26, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two comments
1) Zack Duke is a good pitcher with a chance to become a very good one.
2) Interesting how the worm has turned re Stoney, isn’t it? A few years back he was walking on water and many on this board wanted him to replace Hendry as GM.
by leothelip on Jul 26, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A few years ago we thought Sosa was God
Things change.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards tied with Phillies 1-1
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by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and Julio Lugo is hitting .600 w/ the Cards.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no Branch Rickey
but I imagine that won’t last.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jul 26, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more
I hope if Hendry shops for a shortstop he finds a real one, not a re-tread.
by leothelip on Jul 26, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny Peralta. I love him.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I STILL love Don Kessinger
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, DS
. . . me too
Do you remember his clubhouse nickname?
by leothelip on Jul 26, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes!
They’re wearing the pinstripes! Quick, is the wind blowing out today??
by hmlee on Jul 26, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The sun will be going down here soon...
Probably won’t help, but at least I can pretend it will.
Let’s just hope that the day/night game anomaly is just fluke and not a jinks.
Go Cubs!
by eths on Jul 26, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope king rich has some shades on
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Harden pitches like trash today
Maybe we will need another starter so we can have a 6-man rotation that prevents Harden from ever pitching with the sun out.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Richferatu?
Let’s just hope we don’t have an episode of “Joey the Vampire Slayer” today
by hmlee on Jul 26, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUMP!!!
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/7/26/962845/first-pitch-thread-cubs-vs-reds#comments
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
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