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Ladies & Gentlemen, Presenting Your First Place Chicago Cubs: 5-2 Win Over Reds Moves Cubs Atop NL Central

My friend Mike has always said, when unexpected or unusual things happen in baseball, "Anyone who tells you they have this game figured out, laugh in their face!"

That phrase is certainly true this afternoon. After Rich Harden had thrown poorly in day games -- and at Wrigley Field in general this year -- who figured he could throw six innings and allow only one hit, only one baserunner? That hit was a home run by Cub-killer Joey Votto, but that's all Harden gave up -- he was outstanding today, striking out eight in six excellent innings, throwing only 90 pitches (61 strikes).

Hypothetical question: let's say Votto doesn't hit that home run and Harden throws six perfect innings. Do you let him continue? (I say emphatically, yes.)

In any case, the offense also produced today and the 5-2 win over the Reds, combined with the Phillies' 9-2 blowout of the Cardinals, put the Cubs alone in first place in the NL Central for the first time this season (they were tied for the top spot five other dates, all in April, the last time April 21, when the team record was 8-4). It also put the Cubs three games ahead of St. Louis in the loss column -- and I know we had a long discussion about that earlier this year, but that really is important. Those are three wins that don't have to be made up later, and the Cubs still have five games in hand -- they have played 96 games, the Cardinals 101. Today's paid crowd of 41,528 was, by 19 people, the largest crowd of the 2009 season to date. And after struggling at home earlier this year, the 30-18 home record is third-best in the NL (behind the Dodgers and Giants).

Star-divide

The offense was also outstanding today -- and I'll give kudos to Milton Bradley, who drew two walks, scoring both times, and singled in four at-bats (and who might have gotten jobbed on a called third strike in the 7th inning). Since Kosuke Fukudome is doing a good job leading off, why not consider batting Bradley second? (Or, maybe not fool around at all with a lineup that's produced eight wins in ten games since the All-Star break.) Fukudome also made an outstanding throw after catching a fly ball, to nail Edwin Encarnacion trying to score. Dusty Baker came out to argue -- that's probably more animated than we saw him the entire four years he managed the Cubs. That throw saved Angel Guzman from what could have been a bad inning -- he walked two, uncharacteristic for him, and Fukudome's throw kept the inning scoreless. Bradley was waiting for Fukudome at the dugout to congratulate him -- Milton seemed really fired up about the play and that's the kind of thing I do love to see. It does seem as if this team is, at last, after 96 games, finding its identity.

Alfonso Soriano continued his hot streak with two hits and even though he hit into a double play to end the seventh-inning rally, that ball was laced hard right at Edwin Encarnacion. Soriano may be beginning one of those "carry the team" streaks -- only right now, there are different heroes every day. Raise your hand if you thought Koyie Hill was going to hit both a double and triple this afternoon.

Here's the only negative about today's game -- Jeff Samardzija had a shaky ninth inning, forcing Lou to summon Kevin Gregg to close things out. Samardzija has to be a prime candidate to go back to Iowa when Ryan Dempster is activated to start on Tuesday. It seems the tinkering they've done with his mechanics simply isn't working -- I think the Shark should go back to what he was doing last year, when he pitched well in relief down the stretch. Gregg threw four pitches -- same as Saturday -- to notch his 21st save, which is only four off the league lead.

Trade rumors were quiet today -- it seems as if the Cubs are going to wait & see what happens over the next few days, particularly with B.J. Ryan due to report to Iowa tomorrow. If Ryan is healthy and throwing the way he did last year, that might be a better acquisition than any other relief pitcher the Cubs could acquire (and would allow Sean Marshall to take over Ted Lilly's rotation slot), and the cost is only a pro-rated portion of the minimum salary.

Keep the faith, everyone. The Cubs are in first place and playing well. Onward to defeating the Astros this week.

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Yay!

First post in a recap of the first place Chicago Cubs!

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by DTJchris on Jul 26, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

In case anyone forgot

Here’s what first place looks like

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of losers in the NL Central today

Except that one…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 27, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

This season is over.

This unlikeable group will never be able to compete with better organizations like LA and PHI who do baseball the right way, with fundamentals. The window of opportunity was over with the end of the 2008 season. We should save ourselves the trouble, dismantle the team, fire that piece of garbage Hendry, and bulldoze Wrigley field. Hopefully Ricketts has the foresight to do what should have been done years ago… sell everything for parts and move the team to Mexico City.

Grumble grumble grumble.

/sarcasm.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez just get Beimel

He can’t cost much and worse comes to worse you get TWO lefties in the pen.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

If I didn't know you, Jessica...

… I’d think you were Mrs. Beimel.

Let’s let the BJ Ryan experiment play out. Beimel will be available after the waiver deadline.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No time for that

I don’t even LIKE Beimel but we need a decent lefty to free Sean Marshall. Beimel is available and the only question of the cost is what other teams will pay for him. Trade deadline is less than a week away and we can’t wait and see IF Ryan works. Beimel has decent numbers just get him. Worse case is that you have two lefties in the pen, hardly a problem and not like we don’t have a few expendable bodies in the pen now

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

So far, the team is winning.

I think we can wait.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No we can't

Beimel will NOT clear waivers. There are probably at least 8 teams that will grab him. If we had not screwed up and waited for Coste to clear waivers and actually MADE a trade for him with a prospect we would have a back up catcher now. I really dislike Beimel. Jackass got in a bar fight in the playoffs and cost his team dearly but he is by far the best left handed option out there.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weren't we still waiting for the Soto injury results....

….when Coste was picked up? How did we screw that up? We didn’t need a catcher until we found out Soto was going to be out an extended amount a day or two later.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We screwed that up

by not being crappier. ‘stros plucked him off waivers one slot above us. If he’d been waived a day later, we would’ve had a shot at him before the Astros… IIRC

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right....

…..but in that 10 day waiver period, we didn’t know the extent of Soto’s injury. So I’m wondering why Stalker would think we screwed up in not trading for Coste. We didn’t need a catcher (at least for an extended time) at that point. It was only a couple of days after Coste was picked up that we found out that Soto was going to be out for 4 weeks, if memory serves.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you misunderstood or I worded it poorly....

..I wasn’t asking “how we screwed it up”, I was asking Stalker why she thinks we screwed up by not trading for Coste.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm running on no sleep

I’ve been up since 4:30 am (and have totaled 9 hours of sleep all weekend)… don’t hold it against me! :-P

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha....no biggie

Better hit that pillow!

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

its been… a little insane here lately.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs TRIED to get Coste off waivers

They KNEW they needed a back up catcher. They should have offered the Phillies a modest prospect and Coste would have been ours. It was a very bad decision.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They didn't know they needed a back-up until after Geo was re-examined....

Soto was pulled from the lineup on July 8th. Determined it was a slight oblique strain and would be re-examined on July 10th. July 10th he was re-examined, then put on the DL. Coste was claimed by Houston on the same day. Because Houston had the worse record, they got Coste.

If they KNEW they needed a back up catcher before the re-examination on July 10th, they could have made a trade on the 8th or 9th. But they didn’t actually know they needed a back up until he was re-examined on Friday the 10th to find out the extent of the injury. Remember, initially he was just going to be out until after the All Star break.

So, no, Stalker they didn’t know their needs until it was too late.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Coste was DFA'd on July 10

This meant the Phillies had TEN days to make a deal IF they thought they could. Had the Cubs communicated to the Phillies they MIGHT be interested and would actually offer a PLAYER for Coste , the Phillies could have held off letting the Astros take him. Last year when the Cubs DFA’d Eyre the Phillies stepped up and gave the Cubs a prospect for him rather than letting a team higher on the food chain claim him. The Cubs misplayed this. They put in a CLAIM for Coste but the Astros got him because they had a worse record , had the Cubs done what they SHOULD have, the would have offered a prospect and they would have got him not the Astros.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 26, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coste probably wasn't worth a prospect.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

As opposed to Koye Hill catching every game for weeks ?

He sure as hell was. I think he is hitting better than Hill as well. You need two catchers PERIOD. Cubs have been lucky so far but very, very bad planning. Also part of general pattern of the Cubs hoping a particular player’s injury is not so serious and putting off making the correct move to back him up.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since Hill started catching every day...

… the Cubs are 10-6 (and that includes losses in the first three of those 16 games).

I agree if Soto’s going to be out for more than another week, they need someone. In the meantime, the team is winning.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Jessica on this

Catcher is the most physically demanding position, and to expect one guy to handle almost every inning for three weeks is ridiculous.

Granted, it’s not going to hurt his offense, but to have only one real catcher for that long is inexcusable. The head-scratching nature of it is not atypical of the Hendry era.

Wednesday after a night game ought to be interesting . . . if Fox is ever going to start behind the plate, that would be the day.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get your hopes up

Not only has Hill already caught two day games after a night game, one of those was after the THIRTEEN inning night game. Clearly the Cubs do NOT think Fox is capable of catching a game ( and I tend to agree) . If they did , he would have done so by now.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which underlines the fact that not having a backup

Is inexcusable.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You of all people should know better than that

They are the same 10-6 with Heilman on the roster. So obviously you would not want to cut him.
They have been very lucky by winging it with one poor hitting back up catcher as their starter
( Hill is good defensively). FYI Çoste is hitting fifty points higher than Hill .256 Vs .206 the rest of their numbers including AB are nearly identical. The Cubs made a mistake in not getting Coste and they are at risk of it blowing up their face big time .

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's a little

misleading, Jessica. Heilman has pitched in only a few of those games. You’re going to suggest that a middle reliever has as much influence over the game as the catcher?

Cmon.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

No I am suggesting

That Hill being the only catcher on the roster did not lead the Cubs to a 10-6 record and
NOT having a back up is a VERY dangerous situation. You are the one who rants on
“small sample size” but really this is just a case of saying the Cubs being 10-6 had little to do with Hill and we F(&^%$$$ing need a back up catcher LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM in baseball. We are probably lucky TLR didn’t tell one of his players to accidently hit Hill with a bat while at the plate and see how it would be to have FOX catch both ends of the DH against the Cardinals 3 weeks ago.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

But . . . but . . .

If they called up another catcher, they might have to go to 11 pitchers. And actually, you know, USE all their pitchers.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like anyone would miss Shark etc

What was I thinking those other 29 teams are IDIOTS for keeping a stupid extra catcher when they could have a mop up man instead. Wimpy guys like I-Rod
Maur and all those Molinas should be able to catch 162 games

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

And if Doug Dascenzo can pitch, other players should be able to, as well!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing

that they don’t need another catcher, although I would like to see Fox catch some of a real game before deciding that he’s incapable.

I’m just saying that you can’t equate the contributions of a relief pitcher with the catcher.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drew if they though he could catch

They would have USED him. They have not. I was not equating relief pitchers with catchers just pointing out that to say we are 10-6 with Hill catching is both meaningless and no justification for this idiotic situation. Back up catchers are FAR more important than one extra body in the bullpen Lou will only use in a blow out. Cubs are trying to gut this out and I think it is an accident waiting to happen.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 27, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Beimel

Has his own introduction video when he comes into a game for the Nationals. Enough said.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

NBF!!!!

where ya been?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but who else would get one in DC?

I mean, it’s not like Austin Kearns or Ronnie Belliard deserves a video…

I still maintain that Hendry could get Beimel for various useful AAA spare parts – hell, Ascaino could probably move straight into their closer spot, since he’d only have to pitch once/week. And the Nationals desperately need a backup infielder so they can send Ronnie Belliard on his way with a fruit basket, so send them Aaron Miles after eating most of his 2010 salary and declare victory.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not so sure, Jessica

Beimel’s not that big of a deal to me. But, as a LOOGY, I guess he’s OK.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

if that's the case

Sam Fuld is going to be in for quite a shock when he comes home early to meet Mrs. Fuld. :P

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al

Sorry I missed you today. Tried to make my way from center field, but never connected. What a great day and win! Waiting in bleacher line fr 9:30am was worth it- 1st place. My shirt is now 6- 0!

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will

by Slakkr on Jul 26, 2009 7:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You must go to more games!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can't make a game, send the shirt to the game with Al...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 27, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly, you are no slacker, Slakkr.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sir, I've met a slacker and indeed, you are no slacker...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 27, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Seems like Marshall has earned that starting role. Bullpen seems to have worked itself out for now (except Heilman…shudder). Marshall has pitched well and hasn’t had a start that didn’t give the team a chance to win. This is a guy who also didn’t give up a run in spring training, fwiw.

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jul 26, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've only said this

100 times since the beginning of last offseason!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harden was outstanding today!

He has been phenomenal — not good, not great, but PHENOMENAL — his last three starts. Including today, his last three outings he’s gone 19 innings, given up 2 runs on 8 hits and only 2 walks. Oh, and 21 K’s. Looks like the Harden of ’08 has finally graced us with his presence!

by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

back to the 08 Rich Harden

it would be HUGE if he could keep it up.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

ya he was fantastic.

I was upset we were hitting for him in the 6th with reds heart of the order in the 7th. But alls wells that end wells. I guess it was a good move even though we did not pick up hill from second. We at least save some pitches in his arm especially coming off like 112 pitches his last time out in philly.

by MandMexpress12 on Jul 26, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

he’s been awesome since the ASB.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 26, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

couple this up with Soriano and Bradley getting hot, and we just might have something here

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dave Kaplan?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's EXACTLY right.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes .. but MB also drew 2 walks today

I’ve been impressed by his plate discipline .. no matter what anyone else says about him, I have admired MB’s argus eye and his ability to draw walks even if we’d rather see a long ball or a liner drilled into the corner. I am wanting to believe that MB has turned the corner and is going to be a real factor in the next THREE months .. yes, THREE ..

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

well he isn't crying in the dugout after he strikes out

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least he gets on base a darn sight more than Soriano did .. until recently

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching Milton's AB's closely

It seems like pitchers are reluctant to throw anything across the plate to him. He’s taken like 18 walks in July alone – a lot of the balls he’s taking are waaaaay off the plate.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Jul 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've noticed this too

He has even been intentionally walked a few times, yet he is constantly behind fastballs. I think the scouting report on him is ‘wrong’ for the time being. Hope he can make a good adjustment before the league just starts throwing fastballs by him.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he seems to be hitting mistakes

Like outside fastballs, and giving him a little confidence might be bad for them. He was, after all, one of the best hitters last year. It’s hard for opposing teams to call fastballs on the inside half to him, I think. I, for one, wish they did.

by cubbybear on Jul 26, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is suited...

for either hit 2nd or 6th. He might not hit for power anymore, but maybe he can transform what he is. The only issue I have with this is that the Cubs are paying him as a power hitter.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is an OBP machine

Reminds me a lot of Mark Grace in his approach. Pretty good eye, lots of doubles and singles, less power. There’s value to drawing walks, surely.

by cubbybear on Jul 26, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't find the article

but Bradley mentioned earlier that he/or the hitting coach realized that pitchers were still pitching to him as if he were hitting and that not realizing that was the cause of some of his earlier problems at the plate.

"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "

by Villeslgr on Jul 26, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

yawn

is that the best you got?

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ 1000 BCB points

Redeemable to December 31, 2025 at Wrigleyville Sports.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 rec

and that might get you the BCB Snuggie you’ve been admiring.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I was going to purchase that with my 1000BCB points that are redeemable for a $25 Wrigleyville Sports giftcard.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

>

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 26, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had to stare at that for about five minutes before I got it.

Well played, sir.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am up to

6 minutes…..still missing something

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley vs Hill

Bradley fighting vehicle vs a hill

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I finally saw the ">" symbol to the right of the first pic

and then it clicked. Of course, you have to know the name of the military vehicle in the second pic.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW

dont feel bad – I worked on Bradley’s in the Army and I didnt get it either…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only today?

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 26, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He also hit better than Pujols today too. I guess that mean’s he’s better than him?

by McRipper on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

today....yes.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Felix Pie, too?

Today: 2/4 2B, BB, RBI – he’s turned the corner!

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 26, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 great weekends to be a Cubs fan in a row

By the way, you probably couldn’t see it from the bleachers but that out at home was a horrible but lucky call from the umpires.

And how about that .465 OBP for Bradley in July? With Soriano hitting, having Bradley bat in front of him is bringing benefits.

I’ll be nice with my comments towards him for a week :)

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I said in the pre-game thread that I considered this

a very important game, more than just a usual game in July. I said — this was a must win, considering the Reds were reeling and the Astros are streaking.

This, was a very, very good win. The daytime crap about Harden can vanish.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

The call at home was complete garbage…league needs to remind the ump where to stand when the batter is coming home…I am not sure if Hill even tagged the runner…that might have changed the game immensely…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

But with a black hole...

Behind Soriano, he might not get much to hit soon.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whole lineup is going to change when Soto returns

Because Bradley, Soriano and Soto would probably be 5, 6, 7 with Fontenot batting #8.

Unless Lou moves Bradley to #2.

I can’t believe Lou has so many good options right now! I’m so encourages as a fan for the first time in months.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Bradley hitting #2...

… Fukudome has done a good job leading off, and he and Bradley could both set the table for Lee, Ramirez & Soriano.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect.

This, if everyone was doing as they are supposed to, could score a LOT of runs.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking.

I just really really hope Lou does not decide to put Soriano in the leadoff when Soto returns.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Bradley is an OBP guy… perfect for a table setter role.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

But have you seen these Mets lately?

I’m very happy they lost 2 of 3 since we’ll be playing a healthier Mets team in August and September.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think they'll keep playing like whipped dogs

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hope so

But Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado should be back I think. They’ll be more competitive to say the least.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

true, but I hope they'll be slow out of the block and don't get in form

until mid September .. admittedly, that’s a lot to ask with some monsters like that

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

But looking on the bright side

They handled an almost identical team pretty well last year.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

We also were playing a bunch of back ups

IIRC that series was right after the Cubs clinched the division. Hoffpauir had a pretty big series too

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jul 26, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at Wrigley

We played a short 2-game set but swept Mets in it.

Cedeno hit a grand slam.

But you are right about the games at Shea. I was pretty upset too because I wanted to see all the regulars play.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

Beltran is having another MRI this week and may need to have knee surgery. I think Reyes is close to coming back, however.

by Born Again Cubs Fan on Jul 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 Sweeps in the last 2 series!!!

YAY! Let’s go Cubbies, time to turn up the heat.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 26, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

its two sweeps in the last three series. Still, its pretty darn good.

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Jul 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't you guys learned anything...

Wins against the Nationals and the Reds don’t mean anything. The Cubs are supposed to beat teams like that. This season is over. This team is going nowhere. Start rebuilding now.

by Born Again Cubs Fan on Jul 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

that is where you get your name from. A game is a game. Better to take 7 of 7 from teams like the Reda and the Nats, than going 4 out of 7. Agree?

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

I should have indicated sarcasm. Just trying to pick up for the many people on here who were ready to pack up the season three weeks ago with the Cubs 3 games out of first and who are now shockingly quiet.

by Born Again Cubs Fan on Jul 26, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey I had

them dead at the start of the season. I still do not think this team is going very deep in the playoffs, if even they make it. But truth be told, they have been fun to watch the last couple weeks.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did you have the Rays

at beginning of last season? The playoffs are a different beast – hopefully the Cubs wait until the last day of the season to clinch division and go into the post-season HOT HOT HOT…worked for the Rockies until they faced a team that had to slug out a game 7….

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh baby

I have had the Rays on top since they were known as the Devil Rays. Do you have a minute to talk about some real estate I have?

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 27, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here ya go....

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how some people just can't resist trying to pick a fight...

…even on a day like this when we should all just be enjoying the moment.

Grow up.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Priceless

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the end of the year...

the commissioner’s office performs a strict regression formula on all team’s regular season final records based on the number of win they have against teams they we’re supposed to beat and the overall record is adjusted accordingly.

We are on pace to finish last.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

D'oh

That was a typo on my part, I hadn’t forgotten the Phillies. Sorry about that.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently we CAN all "enjoy the ride"!

Way to go Cubbies!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Had to listen to the Reds announcers

on the MLB package, Harriston was safe by a huge amount, but when things are going well you get the breaks.
 Soriano is on fire, lets hope it continues.
 Bradleys called 3rd was inside, I just wish he would be more agressive in those spots, almost looks like he is afraid to fail in those situations. Let it rip Milton.
 I would of let Shark finish the game. Shark looks like he is confused and pissed off, just my take. Up and down from Iowa, changing mechanics etc..
 Cubs playing solid baseball, lets get this Houston series, and stay on a roll.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 26, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

he wasn't safe by a huge amount

but he was probably safe.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill didn't even tag him....

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was safe

By a huge amount

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was safe twice

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh hell Drew

Hill still has yet to tag him. I’ll gladly take the call, and I was jumping up and down cheering, but he was as safe as safe can be.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was as safe as Holliday was out.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha i was just thinking that:

what’s going to happen first? Holliday touching the plate or Hill tagging Encarnacion.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's our drew

umps are wrong when the call goes against the Cubs. umps aren’t wrong when the call goes for them.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

excuse me?

I said he was safe! Holy crapoly. That’s our Worf, being a jerkoff at every opportunity.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Crapoly???

Man, you can’t even swear right!

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said he was safe.

I thought Hill brought the tag around and tagged him after he’d crossed the plate. I think Hill thought he was set up in front of the plate, rather then on it.

He wasn’t safe by a huge amount. Dome’s throw nearly beat him there.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

nearly??

it bounced 12 times….normally on that alone you don’t get the call

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually

the ball bounced twice, but nice try.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude...

a) he slid into home BEFORE Hill even turned around
b) Hill didn’t tag him
c) you’re getting worse

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta agree with you on that one

If that same call went AGAINST the Cubs, this board would be in a frenzy. And rightfully so, might I add.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to check the replay...

….but I’m pretty sure he swiped his glove at Encarcion with the baseball in his other hand, too.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did

Only Encarnacion was already in the dugout, getting some Gatorade and exchanging fart jokes with Darren Baker

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I went to Cubs.com and they don’t have the video. I call it like I remember it. It was a close play, and the ump got it wrong — which I’ve said from the start. You guys can angst about it all you want.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

like I said

close call, Dome’s throw nearly beat him there. We lucked out, the ump blew the call. But it wasn’t going to matter anyway.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care whether he was really safe or not...

…I’m just happy that we’re starting to finally get some breaks and, even more importantly, we’re capitalizing on them.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing Drew

is that the tying run was on second base. That was a HUGE call.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

at the time

the tying run, true.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

but yes,

Hill did do a good job of selling the call and being in a good position. And like i said, I’m very glad he was called out. :)

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, you can prove anything with facts fella!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 27, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

What? The shadow of Koyie's glove is CLEARLY touching his leg.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was safe.

But, as Len pointed out — “that call would have gone against the Cubs a month ago.”

Breaks do even out.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I watched the video — he was safe, and it wasn’t that close.

We’ll take every break we can get.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya...

the replay from the boothish area was horribly safe…you would need to buy a bank vault to get more safe.

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right now it is nice to have Milton and his high OBP...

in front of Sori cause Sori is hot at the moment…if Bradley could keep getting on base and Sori stays hot then our lineup is real dangerous

by cubbiepride on Jul 26, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Small correction

I’m fairly certain it was Encarnacion that Kosuke threw out at home, not Hairston Jr.

by CubsFan87 on Jul 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

You're right.

It was Hairston who hit the ball.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

we were lucky on that call ..

and I’ll take all the luck we can get .. GO CUBS

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing dissapointing about that call

Was that Dusty didn’t get thrown out. I would have enjoyed that.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm

very surprised at that. As bad as the call was, Dusty should have gotten himself tossed. As a manager, I would have.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jul 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was probably trying to

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read his lips and

Dusty said “that is M F B S” and that didnt get him tossed

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes umps will keep you in the game

if they know it’s their fault

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

milton's

called third to stifle that rally and that call at the plate cancel each other out

by CubsFan87 on Jul 26, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

one guaranteed run versus a maybe run

Cubs outplayed the Reds though. Would have most likely won anyway

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it Branch Rickey who said: "Luck is the residue of design."

We’re owed about a hundred years of luck the way I see it…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

we make

our own luck. Hill set up in such a way that pushed the ump into the place he was at so he couldn’t see Encarnacion’s foot swipe the bag.

I don’t think it would have mattered anyway, really.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

about Laz being in the worst possible position to make that call. I supposed he didn’t want to be immediately behind home in case the ba;ll got passed Hill.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jul 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mid-season acquisitions

You could argue that our best mid-season acquisition is the on-target Rich Harden.

Which might give us pause to wonder whether or not we could get better mid-season acquisitions than the Fontenot we had last season, the Bradley TX had last season, etc….

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

man I hope Harden hangs in there .. hope he stays healthy

Hope Dempster gets better and watches his toes
Hope Soto comes back swinging a bat that connects
Hope Lilly’s shoulder gets better
Hope Lee’s disc calms down
Hope ARam keeps it coming .. man, what a machine

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If those things happen.

This team will be in the post season.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even an Aramis

playing at 85% is still the best hitter on our team. Really good to have him back!

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jul 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Along the same lines...

The best mid season pickup was the return of Aramis Ramirez. No question.

by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other baseball news

The Nationals just won their 30th game.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

They have now won two series in one week.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

WC cheese?

Is he related to Chuckie Cheese?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

(I was...)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

its not who you play....

its when you play them…..we got the Nationals as the right time it appears

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Nats are way better

than the AAA Padres. The record doesn’t reflect it, but the Nats can hit. The Padres cannot.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said it earlier this week and I'll say it again.

Rich Harden is way to talented to be as bad as he’s been this year. Monster second half is coming.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually I did say that about sori.

I thought the series going into the asb would be it.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 26, 2009 6:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree about ARam.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

If all of you guys are correct....

… this team could go on a long winning streak.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least

he has been healthy this year…that is the main thing…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning is nice

It’s hard for me not to wonder how many of those miserable June & July losses Aram could’ve helped us win.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Jul 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

We lost 16 games by 2 runs or less

If I had to guess maybe we would have won 3 of those if Aramis was in the lineup?

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

so much water under the bridge

SO many games when the offense was completely dead…lets hope they can at least score a bit on the road now. The home offense has been better the last month or so.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Took 5 of 7 on the road

I know it was a sweep with the Nationals but a 4 game sweep against any team on the road or even at home is hard to do.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

pitching matchups houston series

Mon: Zambrano vs Rodrguez
Tue: Dempster vs Oswald
Wed Wells vs Hampton
Thu Hart vs Ortiz

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

That shapes up well.

Rodrgiuez has been awful at Wrigley Field for his career. No reason to think the Cubs can’t go 3-1 in that series.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jul 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO CUBS GO!!!

First place!! YAY!

Guy at bar: "Do you just like that hat or do you like Chicago?"
Me: "I'm in Love, Obsessed and Addicted to the Chicago Cubs!"

by KC in OK on Jul 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano hitting since Aramis is in the lineup

This hasn’t been discussed much, but maybe there was a correlation with Soriano being more relaxed with Aramis in the lineup?

I know, Soriano is being paid a lot so this shouldn’t be an excuse but the numbers are telling. He pretty much stopped hitting a week after Aramis went down.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano

It seems Soriano is cutting down on his swing a bit. Maybe this is coming from Von Joshua, but that at bat today where he went to the opposite field, he hardly ever does that.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed before

Sori was standing up a lot more than he is now. Maybe I’m wrong but he seems to be getting much lower.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 26, 2009 6:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was awesome

to see Sori shorten his swing with two strikes and poke one out to right intentionally today!

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jul 26, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that could make sense.

Sori, rami, and lee traditionally were the big hitters. Maybe sori felt he needed to make up for the loss of rami’s bat, and was trying to hard. I haven’t been able to watch any games in about 2 weeks so i don’t know if he’s been standing any different

by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 26, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the winning

but I want Uggla.

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Uggla

Is Soriano-ish

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

but he’s an rbi guy that lou is looking for … except right handed

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've watched alot of Uggla

I like Uggla but he’s not a fit here. Poor defense at times and very very very hot/cold hitting.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not knocking you but

why doesn’t he fit here?

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

he drives in a lot of runs

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

and how many would his glove cost us in return?

our defense isn’t very good right now, why would you add another minus defender?

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

he would definitely not fit in here.

to fit in as a Cub, well to the fans at least, you have to be good at all times and never make any human mistakes….we have seen this as Bradley has been booed and hated much for really not that big of a reason.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Gotta love that .230 avg with 7 homers and 20+ rbi for our starting right fielder. Not to mention him always being on the bench!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't wanna start this whole debate

abouts stats etc but like I said I’ve watched Uggla alot. Don’t just judge him by his stat sheet, watch him play. He don’t have good range and he is just seems to put up those numbers at the wrong times to me. He’s another one of those team up by 5 in the 8th and he hits a 3 run homer but struck out his first 3 ab’s with runners on.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a little unfair

but he just isn’t a good fit in my opinion.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 26, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

is uggla on the trade block?

  that would be nice to have a guy like him at 2B as long as he doesnt have an ‘08 ASG performance. he doesnt seem to have a career year at teh plate either though. i’d bet his contract’s pretty big to though, but i dont know where to find that info

by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 26, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's owned 5.35 mil this year

but he will be paid about 3.5 for the rest of the year. That doesn’t seem like a stretch.

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Want, want

want. It will not happen. Outside of a “shocker deal” the team you see on the field now is the team you will have the rest of the year.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This just proved something to me today.

Just because a team is generally unlikable doesn’t mean they aren’t also good.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

they get more likeable the more they win :)

Its the dead offense that makes them unlikeable. Fix that and they are likeable. At least for me.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning cures a LOT of ills...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cancer?

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Jul 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

…clubhouse cancer, maybe.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is this team "unlikable"?

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunno

but they were kinda unpleasant when losing.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was more their fans

Or about 80% of the people on here :)

Not you though Allie!

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well losing is unpleasant, at least.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

This offense has been so far under its potential even if the players played to their average potential we win the division pretty easily.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Short version...

…sleepy managing, hacky & undisciplined ABs, slapdash lineups held together with baling twine & chewing gum, frequently porous bullpen, off-and-on-field distractions, histrionics in the dugout, guys named Aaron, etc.

I’m not really singling out any players in particular (aside from the Aarons), as they’ve almost all had their moments, but I think a couple of weeks ago the general consensus was that this was not a particularly likable bunch.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

See the

the Yankees.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

the twelve at CO, LA, and SF worry me

other then that this schedule is very favorable

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 26, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

for some reason

everytime we play on the west coast i have a bad feeling

by ndcubs on Jul 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait we're playing SD again?

Don’t they usually only do 2 game sets if we play a team 3 times?

Well whatever, eventhough they swept us once, I’d rather play them than the Dodgers, Rockies or Giants 3 times.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will wins against them count?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

First time in years, 2 visits to SD

Even the AAA Padres can win in Petco from time to time. I know, I’m always there when they do.
However, will they still have Gonzalez at 1Bby then?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we'll get a few wins there

They were on a hot 10 winning streak and we weren’t when we played them back then.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a nice way of seeing things

Thanks for sharing.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to see

What kind of post were made when we had an 8.2% chance of winning the division.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 26, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I LOVED that site last season.

Even with the Cubs in first, I’m not sure I have the strength to go there right now.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 games in hand

Have all 5 games been rescheduled? If so, when will we be even in games played with St. Louis?

by cubbiefanTN on Jul 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Glad to see things are pleasant around here

Was gone for 3 weeks with little Internet access, but did manage to make it to Washington for the four-game sweep and to Philly for, alas, the rear-end-kicking last Monday. This team ain’t looking too bad right now. Keep it up against the Astros; I’d be satisfied with a series split, but aim high.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

You'll be pleased to know

that the DeRomance has been nearly eradicated from this site in the last few weeks.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

and we are no longer "derosaholics"

it’s amazing what good play can do. :)

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm gonna faux rec'd that! :)

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot Aaron Miles

still was on the team. That’s not a bad thing.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's getting the intentional 'no call' in Iowa

Can’t veteran players ask for their release in the minors? Forget how that works.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think he would ask for his release? Be still my heart.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 26, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You aim

high or you am high? Split with the Astros, you are high. Nothing less than 3 out 4.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Winning a four-game series

isn’t easy against anybody. Win two and anything else is gravy.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respectively

disagree. At home, late July, they need 3 of 4 to just say, hey we are a team to deal with.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone going to be

in Florida next week for that series?

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

maybe today

will give hill some more confidence to get a hit once and awhile, it sure would be nice to have somewhat of a threat in the 8 hole

by ndcubs on Jul 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

if our biggest problem can be the offense from

our 8 spot and backup catcher… that would be awesome.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

a weak bat in the 8 spot can be easily hidden if our money guys keep hitting the way they are

by ndcubs on Jul 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an observation...

Does anyone else think Joey Votto is going to be a premiere hitter in the National League? Or is he one already?

I mean, by 2010 or 2011 I think it will be:

1) Pujols
2) Hanley Ramirez
3) Joey Votto

by cubfanwill on Jul 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd still put Bug Eyes ahead of him

but Votto is a VERY good hitter.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point...

I was having a good day until you made me think of that clown.

by cubfanwill on Jul 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha yeah, my apologies

but if it makes you feel any better, he’s sitting in 4th place!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this sarcastic?

Or is it not?

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's good

But 3rd in the league good? Hmm have to wait and see. He had a series like Adrian Gonzalez had against us, a one man offense.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I can be certain

He can make that list as a “Cubbie Killer” we talked about a few weeks ago by 2011.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Fox...

Hit THREE balls to the warning track today. With a bit more of a wind, he very realistically could’ve had a 3 HR game. I really hope Lou tries to get him in the lineup more.

by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish Lou would let Fox try and be the starting catcher

one time. just to give it a try

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what everybody thought about him playing third

He filled in fine. Catcher is his natural position. One start won’t kill anyone.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

very well said.

and I agree 100%

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't care

what anyone says about Koyie Hill “calling” a good game…yes there are certain catchers that can “call” better games than others, but in the end it is more about the pitchers out there…when Fox filled in late in that Cardinals game, the announcers (yes it was Joe Morgan and someone else but still) even said that he looked extremely comfortable back there and that he was framing well…he was blocking balls well too.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill is an outstanding defensive catcher.

That said, he probably does need a break. Maybe one of the day games vs. Houston.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just get himn in the g damn line up every day somehow.

I’m sick of listening to Lou say “we’ve gotta get his bat in the lineup,” and basically never pencil him in.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

what the hell is wrong with milton bradley?

the yahoo recap pointed out that while everyone else seemed happy that the team was finally playing well, bradley didn’t seem to be enjoying it, saying "Are we going to get more cheers now?" he asked reporters. "Are we going to start getting bashed … in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage?"

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

this guy has serious serious problems

why not just enjoy the good day? why the chip on the shoulder?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

I would be pissed too if the fans booed me every time I messed up and didn’t cheer everytime I did something good.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

fine

but doesn’t he understand that he’s not doing anyone any good by bitching about things when the team is playing well? it doesn’t make him look like much of a team player.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

they DO cheer when he does stuff well. they cheer when runs are scored, when people get on base. they don’t NOT cheer when it’s bradley doing the scoring or getting on base.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

I just get pissed over the fact that everyone has hated on Bradley this whole year…yes, we signed him to be a power lefty who drove in runs, but that was our mistake. He’s never really been a big power guy, last year he did he 20 HRs, but that is the first year he did that. His OBP has been pretty good, I think I am just pissed that everyone has been hating on Bradley, that is all.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

listen

i cheer for bradley to do well. i love that he’s getting on base a lot lately. i just wish he would stay away from those comments because it doesn’t help his cause and i don’t think it helps the team.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

but the media sometimes blows things out of proportion and changes quotes around to make some players look bad…i think bradley is always gonna be this way though, because he has a strong personality.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m sure they were cheering at the fact that Bradley scored, not at the fact that the Cubs drove in a run

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was sarcastic

As in Cubs fans were cheering for the run, not the fact that it was Bradley doing the scoring.

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Jul 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct

it is hard to understand sarcasm on the internet unfortunately…haha.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it's a team sport

they cheer for the TEAM. they cheer for runs scored and outs recorded. does he want them to specifically chant his name? how can you interpret whether they’re purposefully trying to exclude bradley from their cheering? that’s ridiculous.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

they are definitely puposefully booing him whenever he was doing bad, that’s for sure.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

how do you know

they arent accidentally booing

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh

I just figured out they weren’t booing him…I guess they have been saying MILTTTTTTTTTTTTTT all year

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

its ok

ive been known on occasion to accidentally boo ;)

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

of course they were. that’s what fans do. he needs to ignore it.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

hard to ignore

when 40,000 people are booing you everyday. lol…

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He deserved the cheering

Scoring from first on the double, running hard and making a great slide to beat the tag. Glad he clogged up first base with that walk.

by ChipSet on Jul 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

when bradley took his 2 walks

baker died a little on the inside

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i actually think

baker was more angry at the fact edwin took a walk, rather than the fact he got jobbed at HP

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dumbass fans....

also booed Bradley when he struck out; despite the fact that he was having a great game. Hell, his hustle and slide on that first run should’ve at least given him a reprieve from booing at least for one game.

But of course Cub fans with chips on their shoulders and no class can’t help themselves. (As you can probably tell, it really peeved me.)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am with you on the treatment of bradley and soriano.

but i think the booing today was at the umpire on the bad call

by MandMexpress12 on Jul 26, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

no question it was. and it was definitely a bad call.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This...

They were booing the call. And the fans have the chips on their shoulders? The irony…

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a pretty mild form of irony, if you were right.

Considering even if I was mistaken, it would be a pretty understandable mistake to make given the track record of fans and Bradley.

And that’s besides the fact that I would bet most observers had the same perception I do.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem to have a bit of a skewed...

Perception about this Bradley thing. You chose to misinterpret Bradley’s own words in Sullivan’s article to put a positive spin on it, and you now refer to the fans as “dumbass” fans that were clearly booing the bad strike call.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I “chose to misinterpret” Bradley’s words? How charitable of you to assume that I’m dishonest and willfully lying.

My reply was to Unger’s initial post, which didn’t have a link attached. What’s more, the link he was referencing (the Yahoo one) doesn’t make ANY reference to Bradley talking about anything BUT the team. He doesn’t say anything about HIM being mistreated individually. Which is why your point wasn’t supported by that evidence. The Sullivan article (a source openly hostile to Bradley, btw) wasn’t brought up until after. I don’t appreciate you accusing me of dishonesty.

As for your second snarky remark, my entire point was that it was NOT clear that the fans were booing the call (and in fact were booing Bradley). Your merely restating that fans “were clearly booing the bad strike” is not an argument; it’s simply akin to saying “No, you’re wrong. I’m right.” That kind of incisiveness isn’t going to win you many debate trophies.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Openly hostile?

Direct quotes tend to be… well just that, directly from the player’s mouth. You also stated your opinion that “dumbass” fans booing Bradley as fact, don’t play this high and mighty B.S. with me.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't at the game...

but in watching it on tv, it in no way looked to me like they were booing the call. I grant you it’s possible, of course. But I’m skeptical.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you please link to that story?

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely unreasonable
As the two-time defending division champions—and the NL Central team with by far the highest payroll—the Cubs were expected to win again. Outfielder Milton Bradley(notes) didn’t seem happy about the team’s ascension, complaining about the demanding fans and media.

"Are we going to get more cheers now?" he asked reporters. "Are we going to start getting bashed … in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage?"

Sure. I see nothing horrible here.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

sullivan has the more extended quote

in his game recap. and in his quote, bradley says “am I going to get more cheers now” among other things.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is interesting

actually, and if sullivan is the one that got the quote wrong, THAT would be an example of unfair treatment towards milton bradley – changing a quote to make someone look bad.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does make you wonder.

It seems apparent both sources are relaying the same quote, but they have a different pronoun listed.

I’m curious to know which one is correct…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so tired of it all at this point.

I really like Bradley, and quite honestly, he does bring some of this on himself. But I was at a game vs Milwaukee when he was booed at nearly every at bat even though he went 2 for 3 with 2 walks and an RBI…. and we were at Miller Park!!
 I’m just tired, that’s all… so very tired.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 26, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I feel the exact same way. I long for the aura of positive feelings surrounding the team ala last year.

I’m tired of martyr complexes and I’m tired of people booing.

Oh well…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said - both storylines are moldy

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I have been on Bradley’s case all year, but today he played very hard and looked fired up all day long. I don’t care if he doesn’t get along that well with the media, I just want him to be a good clubhouse guy, to give 100% on the field, and to perform while doing so.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

how do you think it plays in the clubhouse

when he’s sitting there whining after a big win?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't consider that whining.

Whining is complaining about being pulled late for a defensive replacement, that sort of thing. I didn’t hear a peep out of Bradley when he was out of the lineup working on his swing with Lou. I think MB is a team player, and that was never questioned (at least by me).

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

one quote

and he’s whining, eh?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

one quote?

this isn’t the first time he’s complained about fans/media this year.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lay off the Bradley bashing, huh?

He’s finally starting to play some good ball and he’s helping the team. Personality-wise, he is who he is. He’s not going to change and, since it’s in all of our best interests as Cub fans to want the best out of him, why do so many people have to jump on anything he says and try to turn it into a controversy? It doesn’t do him or, more importantly, the Cubs, any good.
 I can be as big of a critic as anybody but, on a day like this, I also know how to enjoy the moment.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly!

enjoy the moment! why is he complaining and being negative after a great win? that’s not a good sign.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

And why can't you just let it go?

You’re as bad as you claim he is.

I honestly couldn’t care less what he says as long as he plays hard and the Cubs win.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

does he always play hard?

he seems to have a hard time backing up his infielders………….that’s either laziness or stupidity.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, whatever

Enjoy wallowing in the negative.

I feel too good tonight to waste time with this kind of stuff.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i feel good too

and i was enjoying reading everything i could get my hands on about today’s win. but that bothered me. you probably actually are right – i should try to just ignore it. i just can’t help but feel that it’s not a good sign. we’ll see.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you kidding???

Did you see him run into the bullpen today chasing a fly ball? Holy cow…

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what you're supposed to do

every single play. try your hardest. every play. the fact that he did that today doesn’t erase the fact that he doesn’t always do it. and that’s problematic.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"problematic",

“lazy”, “stupid”, “idiot.”

Yes, I can’t imagine why Milton Bradley would feel that the fans are ragging on him.

o.0

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what he reads

but I do know that you sound like a lot of other hyper-critical people who talk about Milton Bradley without knowing a lot about him.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

what does knowing about him have to do with this?

i know what i see, and what i read. and that’s how i judge professional athletes. that’s how everyone judges professional athletes. he might be the best guy on the planet when he takes off the uniform and goes home to his family. i don’t know.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

the only team i see that tries hard on every play is the Cardinals…yea, you are supposed to do that, but a lot of players just ignore the actual hard work part of the game…it’s not only bradley, i think singling him out is unfair.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree that a lot of players don't hustle every play

i didn’t single him out – someone else mentioned the fact that he hustles all the time or something to that effect. i merely pointed out that this is most certainly not the case.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

though

it’s always important. and my favorite players are the ones that do.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh god

you liked ryan freel?!!!?!?!?!! lol

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it's especially important

to make sure you’re hustling every play, focusing and doing all the little things when you’re not producing the way you’re capable of.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

My new stance on Bradley

I don’t care what he says to the media as long as he can keep atleast a .400+ OBP. I won’t bash him on here if he can do that.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I liked what Bradley did today. If he can continue like this, we’ll all be very happy.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

today was a positive step, but overall he still seems to have a really hard time catching up with halfway decent fastballs when hitting from the left side. walks are fantastic – don’t get me wrong – i just hope he can add some consistent hitting to that, from the left side.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's the faint praise

that I love so much. Backhanded compliments.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh for Pere's sake

He had a good game. It doesn’t erase 90+ games of sub par play. He still has some improving to do, it’s not out of line to point that out

by WanderingWanderer on Jul 26, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

He’s having a tough time keeping up with mediocre fastballs from the left side. The patience and walks were great today, but he’s looks overmatched when pitchers throw him any kind of heat for strikes.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's sticking up for the team.

He’s not complaining about treatment of him in the quote. He’s saying it’s garbage that the whole team is getting criticized ad naseum in the media. I have no problem with him sticking up for the team; that’s what a team player does.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh

actually, in the full quote, he specifically questions whether fans will start cheering for HIM more now. he very much is complaining about what he perceives to be mistreatment of HIM in the media. sullivan in the trib gives the full quote.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garbage?

This team had every right to be criticized for their pre-ASB performance; he should be a target for a lot of that criticism because of his performance. And he was not just sticking up for his team, he was playing the “poor me” victim role… again. A direct quote from that article was, “Am I going to get more cheers now?” Again, making this about him… again.

If you read that article further, Koyie Hill handles it like a team guy. He goes on to say that this diversity builds character, and that they’re proud of where they are.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess that would depend on what you think is constructive criticism...

I assume you agree that it’s at least in theory possible that the media and the fans can display their disapproval in ways that are both unfair and counter-productive?

You may not think that’s applicable in this case, but I do. I also think that Bradley has been treated very shoddily by a lot of fans and media alike.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley deserves what he gets...

And today’s bizarre statements by him prove it. There has been nothing unfair about criticism this team has received. With the payroll and veterans on this team, to be playing .500 pre-ASB was an immense failure. Granted, we’ve hopefully turned a corner, but every underachieving team receives its fair share of criticism from fans and media alike.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a classic case of the disconnect between players and fan when it

comes to supporting a team during the course of a long baseball season. The players know that with baseball, you have to be patient and let the game come to you, you can’t chase it. Fans are almost always impatient and want immediate results. Most of the members of this blog are like many of the Cub fans, they get impatient when the team is not doing well and immediately assume the current state will continue.

What we have to realize is that not all players react to fan and media behavior the same. Many players realize that the fans are fickle and that responding to their behavior is a waste of effort. Guys like Milton are much more emotional when it comes to criticism. They react when their play is criticized and don’t understand why people aren’t more patient and won’t allow palyers to regain their form.

Look at the situation with DLee. His performance at the start of the season created a storm of reation from fans and media alike. There were constant calls for him to be traded, benched or just dropped of the face of the earth. But if there is anything we should know by now, it’s that baseball is a game of petience. 162 games is a long season. There are highs and lows that must be weathered and knee-jerk reactions to individual events is a futile exercise.

The lesson I have learned is that there are very few experts among us. Those of us who have called for the Cubs to give up on this season and have crowned the Cardinals as champs don’t seem to solid now. The Cubs may fade into oblivion in the next few weeks and the Cardinals may walk away with the division, but at least a few of us may think a bit before we predict the demise of our boys in blue. But the again, this is BCB and I guess I really wouldn’t expect anything less from our gang.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 27, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Lee...

Received his fair share of criticism and booing during his slump, yet he kept his mouth shut and just got better. Bradley on the other hand, chooses to keep playing the “victim” with the media and fans alike.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw the interview on Comcast and

he seemed to be ok…said team in 1st,,can’t find a negative in that…

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

still and all

he’s an idiot – the media is supposed to criticize when highly paid players under-perform. he just needs to ignore it. he needs to keep his mouth closed.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

that comment

doesn’t jibe with your above:

i cheer for bradley to do well. i love that he’s getting on base a lot lately.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not?

i cheered for dennis rodman when he got a tough rebound for the bulls. and he’s an idiot.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"he needs to keep his mouth closed"

I don’t think he seeks out the media to talk, it’s the other way around. I really don’t think he likes the media. My whole argument, though, is that if his teammates love him and he plays hard for us, why the hell would we care about that?

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i seem to recall

him specifically pointing out that he felt isolated and disconnected from most of the team.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

hell, when i changed schools in the 9th grade

I felt disconnected and isolated for a while, too. Once you get to know people, things change. That’s human nature, nothing specific to Bradley.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

but that was in june. he’d been with them since february. that’s not normal.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, in my humble opinion

he looked to be having a lot of fun out there today. And quite honestly, that’s the first time I’ve really seen that from him this year. So let’s enjoy being in first and not worry about if Milton Bradley has an attitude. It really doesn’t affect us at all, especially if he continues to play like this.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

i sort of agree with you

but i do like to see the team enjoying the season. it adds to my enjoyment. and when a player sits there and is STILL complaining after playing well and winning, it bothers me a little. that’s all.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can certainly understand that.

I’m just a little leary of some reporters, that’s all. I did read the article that you linked to, but I kind of take that sort of thing with a grain of salt. I was much more concerned about the blowup with Lou at the Cell, but that seemed to turn his season (and attitude) around.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you

are able to determine what is and isn’t normal for other people?

He’s always been a good defender for us. His bat is improving. He doesn’t trust the media, and (IMO) rightfully so.

If what you want Milton Bradley to do is anything YOU WANT him to, well, you’re going to be disapointed.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

and i AM disappointed that he seems to let his own insecurities overshadow the success of the team.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

he hasn’t been a “good” defender for us. he’s average at best.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually, I'm wrong

he hasn’t been a plus defender for us. But career, he’s a plus defender. You cannot deny he’s made some amazing plays however.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course he has

and that’s great, and i cheer when that happens.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't trust the media either

and because of that, i’d be extra careful about what i said.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever seen the movie "61*"

If no, watch it and tell me the media can’t be assholes to a good player, and twist every little thing he says/does into something negative and bad

by Wrigster on Jul 26, 2009 9:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

look it up

his teammates (past and present) have nothing but good things to say about the guy.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Stone told me that's a lie

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you for making my case. haha

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree with that article

let your play speak for you. and don’t bring up old baggage after a good day when your team just moved into first.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh

now they want him to shut up? Because when he wasn’t talking to the media, they didn’t like it then.

You can’t have it both ways.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

the same sentiment

was written by cubs fans on this blog. There were complaints about him not talking to the media.

Besides, that guy is a journalist of some kind. Average people don’t put “senior writer” after their names.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Senior Writer" on Bleacherreport...

….means about the same as “Senior in High School”. I think it’s strictly for longevity and number of articles, and I could name 20 people on BCB that could write a better article than those hacks on that site.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

He's right.

Bleacher Report is mostly high school kids. “Senior Writer” means nothing there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

nevertheless

they’re suggesting that they’re journalists, covering sports.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

+100

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

why can't he just do what other players do

and answer questions and talk about the game without making controversial comments. and yes, i consider his comments today, in the context of of having just gotten a key win, to be controversial.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

then I suggest

you check a dictionary.

Once again. You don’t know if that’s all he said. You only know that he said that. You don’t even know how the writer has chopped it up.

Why don’t you just not care? If his performance off the field is irrelevant, then why do you care?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, i'll check a dictionary

definition of controversial: Of, producing, or marked by controversy
definition of controversy: Controversy is a state of prolonged public dispute or debate usually concerning a matter of opinion.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

the only reason there's

prolonged public dispute is you.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

although

paul sullivan seemed pretty perplexed by it to and made it somewhat of a focus of his recap today.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

sullivan?

shocking.

why can’t chicago have 1 single competent sportswriter?

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have voiced no opinion

as to the competence of paul sullivan – i’m merely pointing out that i’m not the only one for whom bradley’s words struck a chord.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he is an individual with his own opinions. The players are not

some homogenous group that react the same way to every situation. These are people, not robots. If you expect everyone to toe the line and behave the way you want them to, you are going to be disappointed quite a bit. I suspect that the players have a lot less of a problem with whet he says than you do. The players will respect the effort that guy shos on the field. They want to know that a teamate will work hard to try to win. The stuff with the media is just as he described it, garbage.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 27, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

He wanted to be quiet but was made to talk to the Media.

"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "

by Villeslgr on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know

i just think worrying about what the media is saying doesn’t help – remember 2004? just ignore it and prove yourself on the field.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

and I'm sure he'd rather it be that way as well

but I guarantee you the reporters will be around his locker after the game tomorrow night.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's fine

but does he have to make negative comments after a win to them?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course they seek him out

but is he incapable of controlling what comes out of his mouth? he just might be. and that can be problematic.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not for reporters

The writers salivate over guys like that-it beats actually having to come up with things of substance to write about.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and do you think

that that’s the ONLY thing he said?

You do realize that they choose what quotes actually make it into the paper, right?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

i realize that. he should too.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

but when he stopped talking to the journalists

everyone flipped.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 26, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is suggesting that he stop talking to them...

But rather, that he stop saying stupid shit like this (especially immediately after they move into first place)

by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

His comments are being mocked on ESPN now. Why take the attention off the positive play of the team lately, and put it on himself?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can agree with your second sentence there in principle...

(Though I’ve already noted I don’t think it applies here.) But I’m not sure how the fact that ESPN is commenting on it should be seen as dispositive about anything…They’re as tabloid as anyone.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree...

However, it’s just more negative attention for Bradley that could’ve been easily avoided by not making those odd comments.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny

Here the Cubs get into first and over half of the freaking comments are about Bradley and his comments after the game.
 This is Milton, this is what he has been his whole career, nothing changes. Average player, that gets to much ink, whether it is fair or not, but this is what it is, this will never change

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 26, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

its all our fault

hes holding out on us because we hurt his feelings

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

There’s two sides to “just keep your mouth shut”, the people who cover the Cubs don’t seem to acknowledge that.

by stringerbel on Jul 26, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where's Blue Mike?

So quick to post after losses…nowhere to be found now.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Its his usual MO

Only the losses prove his talking points.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

he was posting as John T. Unger

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.

by CyberCyclist on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

First Place

For the cubs could be a pressure cooker for this team…

Are we going to get cooking or get cooked? I don’t know, but the team’s gaining confidence and they have the division in their sights now. It just might be a memorable battle between the Cards and the Cubs, even though I’d appreciate the runaway division lead, it doesn’t look like that will happen.

by cubbybear on Jul 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but it looks as if the Cubs and Cards both have a pretty good change of making the playoffs…right now the Cards are only 2 and a half out of the WC. There is no doubt in my mind that the Giants probably won’t make it, just because they have great pitching but crappy hitting. The Rockies have been hot, but really they only have 1 or 2 good starters, and their offense has been pretty streaky.

But yes I agree, let’s cook.

by HardForharden on Jul 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

most of this team has been the division leaders the last 2 years.

They’ve had no problem performing well in the pennant race the last 2 years. Its only the playoffs when things have turned ugly.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team thought it was supposed to be in first all year

I would guess that finally getting there would actually be a relief, and we’ll hopefully see a relaxed time catch fire and build a nice cushion of a lead

by TC Cubby on Jul 26, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a very positive day

lot of season left, but it is really great to see them playing some good ball more consistently.

However, it is going to see what, if anything, Jim Hendry will be able to do to improve the team. If Fontenot cannot pull it together offensively, he will be sent back to Iowa, and perhaps the pitching staff will expand?

Samardjia needs more AAA time as well. I would have to imagine that with Lilly out, as many speculate, perhaps a LHRP or starter is on the horizon? One thing for sure: no new salary loads on the payroll.

by The E-Man on Jul 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Fontenot...

Shows flashes, but he’s just not an everyday player. He could be useful in the role he filled last year, but he’s been exposed in this role.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark Teahan

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

teahen would be great

but it probably wont happen

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do want

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Second base

To me, this is the Cubs most glaring need. I hope Hendry gets somebody who can play second base at the major league level. Fontenot isn’t a major league caliber second baseman.

by cubsbak on Jul 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree, the only place we can realistically upgrade this offense is at 2nd

get er done Jim

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 26, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some more rumors

some that we know, some that we don’t
Balla Shot Calla

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I love to get Arthur Rhodes...

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

will Cincy trade

within the division?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

No idea...

…just going by the list on the article…

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 27, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

WGN Radio. Great job today!!

Stuck in the garage repairing the rider today. From the Lou interview with Ron to the Z interview (dog poop and his wife dressing the dog). From the first pitch to the seventh inning which I usually skip. A wonderful game. A wonderful finish. Everyone was ON today. Great day to be a Cubs fan. PS. Did Hill actually get to bat right handed today?

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jul 26, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

i think he did

hit the double right handed. i guess koyies parents need to be at the game more often

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank You

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jul 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH DEAR GOD

WRONG ONE! I SWEAR TO GOD!!!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/macha-hints-at-potential-trade.html

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Jul 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why cant we edit?

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Jul 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what the preview button is for.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers and Cardinals are seriously jeopordizing their future

But hey, if it makes winning the division easier next year then what the hell.

The fact is, if the Cubs are healthy and the players are hitting to their potential there just isn’t a possible trade out there that can make the Cardinals, Brewers or Astros better than them.

by ak123 on Jul 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is 100% correct

but we still haven’t seen the full potential yet.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 26, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the Brewers can do is Washburn

then I feel good with what we got. The guy is pitching above his head the first half

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

"if the best the Brewers can do.."

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jul 26, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

Washburn is going to miss his Seattle outfield defense catching every fly ball in sight.

by cubsforever on Jul 27, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

$20 says

that MB is here until the off season…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

$20 says

Kenny Lofton get’s traded too…

I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers

by digitalbenjamin on Jul 26, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then...

in that case one pitcher is the staff…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Jul 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching MLB network

They are talking about Dodgers picking up Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez. That would be very interesting

"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."

by louslovechild on Jul 26, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

thats taking 3 of their main players from the team and replacing them with 2 good players from another team. Seems like a case of ‘if it aint broke don’t fix it’. I’d do it if I was Clevleland. Loney isn’t much but Kershaw and Billingsley are great.

by jeff_pico on Jul 26, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh.

Rec’d.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 27, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 27, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not worth my creating a FanShot for it...

Especially because I don’t want to belabor too much the discussion of Milton Bradley’s post game remarks, when we’re better served on being positive about the Cub’s first place position.

But “John T. Unger” alludes above to an interesting discrepancy on what Bradley said. I’m rementioning it since it was at the end of a reply-chain, but seems worth noting.

In the AP account, Milton says:

"Are we going to get more cheers now?" he asked reporters. "Are we going to start getting bashed … in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage?" (emphasis added)

In Paul Sullivan’s account however, he states that Milton said:

“It’s nice, but I don’t think we’re going to get any nicer articles written about us,” Bradley said. “But we’re in firstplace, so you can’t find a negative in that.”

It really means nothing, after all the Cubs have gone through?

Am I going to get more cheers now?" he said. “Are we going to stop getting bashed by everybody, articles about our lineup and how it was better last year and all that garbage. Last year’s team is sitting at home, just like everyone else. There’s just one champion.” (emphasis added)

It strikes me that that’s a significant difference. In the AP account, Bradley is standing up for the team against (ostensibly) unfair coverage. In Sullivan’s account, he goes to lengths to suggest that Milton is once again locked in again as a “woe is me” martyr complex/selfish jerk. (Which clearly Sullivan thinks is the his modus operandi)

In the end, I do agree that I’d prefer that Milton just avoid the appearance of being angry and resentful about the media, even if he’s standing up for the TEAM. But that said, there are worse things than sticking up for your team. Like focusing on perceived injustices to yourself, instead of reveling in your teams success. The discrepancy makes one wonder which path Milton took?

Anyway…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh really?

Sorry everyone. I hadn’t left this thread since I was typing. Didn’t realize.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still think

he should just shut up to avoid the media changing what he said

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah....

I think that makes sense from a practical standpoint. It would be more expedient anyway (assuming he can figure out a way to get around the “You never talk to the media” criticism).

It’s just pathetic though that he would have to, if it really was the case that they were constantly mis-quoting. (Which I don’t actually think it always the case fwiw).

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

misquoting is not the only problem

bradley has said several things before the season began and did the exact opposite

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never say never

Baseball is such a long season, and things can turn around in a hurry. Especially when they started the second half only 3.5 back of the Cards while playing awful ball. Hopefully now, the Cubs starting rotation and Soto get healthy soon.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Jul 26, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

First place! Friggin awesome!

2-13 with RISP today… not so great. Just sayin.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Of course. You

knew it was coming.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harden

stepping up the past few starts is even bigger now that Lilly will be lost for a few weeks. Let’s keep it rolling against the Astros, will be there Tuesday, can’t wait.

Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...

by slocs55 on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Harden

Agree with you sloc55. Not only was Harden’s performance yesterday huge because of the fact Lilly will be lost for a few weeks, but we are entering into a tough Astros series were the Cubs will have to face the top of the ‘Stros staff. Know the match-ups are good pitching wise this weekend for th Cubs, but it’s great to see the Cubs, and Harden, complete the sweep of the Reds and keep up the momentum heading into this series.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goofy poem

There are places that are bad
there are places that are worse
but the Cubs are in a terrific place
that wonderful place called first.

I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.

by puckishcubsfan on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I knew there were good reasons I don't like reading poetry...

‘A’ for effort though…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 27, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are habits that are bad
There are habits that are worse
The habit Geovany Soto has
Nearly caused his pants to burst

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought of a nickname for Harden over the weekend but it's kinda PG-13.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 27, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

You haven't seen worse on this blog?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, here it is: Raging.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

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