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There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 26, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

seriously?

come on man, I don’t mind having a discussion with you about this in the thread, but why are you trying to stir up controversy? it was a great day and a great weekend, enjoy it!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

John T. Unger Complains About Milton Bradley After Great Win For His Team

Fanshot coming soon to a sidebar near you!

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

BFD!

He can bitch and complain all he wants. If he continues to contribute like he has recently, I could care less.

At least he is pulling it together post-ASG, unlike the “nice and quiet” Mike Fontenot.

Couldn’t you have focused on something more positive after a great weekend?

by The E-Man on Jul 26, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

i'm just curious to see if other people have strong opinions about this

worf clearly doesn’t. that’s fine. you don’t seem to mind it, that’s fine. maybe i’m the only one. i was just curious and i find it interesting. and i am enjoying the win. i love being in first place. i just wish the fans would be nicer to milton and try to shower him with praise and adulation because he’s had a couple of good games in a row. that’s all.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

my favorite quote

is “Am I going to get more cheers now?” sure milton, whatever you want. if that’s the most important thing to you in the wake of a win by your team, sure, we’ll cheer you all you want.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

he never said "am i"

he said “are we.” read the articles you post. He isn’t being selfish here. He has a valid point. Hell id be pissed to if I had to deal with the annoying ass chicago media. Come on, he has to deal with Sully, Muskat, and other children like Miles and Stone among others.

by Glacier on Jul 26, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bruce is good.

But you’re right on the others.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

Just about everything. He’s got a snooty tone when he writes and instead of reporting on the game he tries to add “flavor” and it drives me nuts.

Nearly every sports columnist in Chicago is one shade of awful or another. Bruce is good. David Haugh, Brad Biggs and Jeff Dickerson are good but they all cover football.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just

cant get over his admission in Vine Line that he gives negative coverage to players that are “mean” to him.

Thats the biggest no no there is.

Thats something I learned when I took intro to journalism as an elective in college. Its inexcusable for a professional journalist to do things like that.

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot it was him that said that

Thought it was Morrisey that pulled that one.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

you’re right – in the yahoo article, he says “are we” but in the sullivan article he says “am i” – i don’t know which is correct. if yahoo is correct, perhaps sullivan is out to get bradley. i don’t know. here’s the sullivan link:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-27-cubs-reds-chicago-jul27,0,2465368.story

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sullivan has said he

does not like Bradley so what do think? Sullivan is a hack in every sense of the word.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

just out of curiosity

when/where did he explicitly state that? could you provide a link?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i mean

where/when did he say that he doesn’t like milton bradley – not that he didn’t like the signing, etc. but bradley the person. again, just curious – not necessarily doubting that he does dislike bradley.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you ever watch

Chicago Tribune Live? When Sullivan is on there he and Kaplan bash MB every chance they get.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok

but wait a second – being critical of players for various reasons is part of being on a show like that – that show is all about commentary and analysis. and my guess is they were critical of his play – at various points this season, his play has deserved criticism. i don’t think that necessarily means that either kaplan or sullivan has it out for bradley – i know kaplan hasn’t been a fan of soriano’s play either, but when soriano is doing well, he acknowledges it, and as a cubs fan, is happy about it.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have both

said on there that they don’t ike him.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Basically, this guy is determined to share his negativity, pick fights, etc.

Maybe he’s lonely and just wants the attention. Kind of sad really.

At any rate, if we all just ignore him maybe he’ll go away.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

you're referring to bradley i assume?

unfortunately, he won’t be going away for a couple more years. and if someone could get this picture (of fans cheering for bradley today after scoring a run) to milton, maybe it would help soothe his fractured ego. http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-07/48295080.jpg

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it matter if they cheer him after he scored a run when they already booed him before he stepped to the plate?

And I think bluekoolaide’s comment was appropriate given the fact that you posted an article, picked out a quote and scrutinized it, and then tried to manipulate it (changing “Are we” to "Am I going to get more cheers now?") in order to stir up controversy.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

you should read the thread more carefully

it’s already been discussed that the quote, according to the tribune, was “am i going to get more cheers now.”

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

and it's also been discussed that

Sullivan may have changed the quote, either mistakenly or purposefully.

But that doesn’t factor into it, right?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just because it was

written in the trib like that doesn’t mean that’s how it was said.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see, multiple reports say that it was "WE" not "I", and only Sullivan at the Trib wrote that it was "I"...

AND the article YOU linked to said “WE.” Soooo, maybe you should link articles more carefully.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

If saying that I feel sorry for you constitutes, in your mind, a personal attack, then I apologize

Anyway, have a great night. And keep the faith. In another 24 hours maybe you’ll find some new piece of negativity to fixate on.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

FFS

you’d think he’d said something like “God I hope Unger’s mom dies in a fire tonight!!”.

Special snowflake much dude?

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

kind of like

you do to milton bradley?

classy is as classy does

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn't part of participating in a blog about a sports team

being critical of players when you think they deserve criticism? now, i think that’s a little different than insulting other participants in the conversation.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would imagine

that the players you think deserve criticism are the following

Bradley
Soriano

the players you love

Theriot
Sam Fuld

rinse and repeat over and over

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Irrelevant.

Where did he mention Theriot and Fuld? I find the knee-jerk defense of Bradley by those of you who are stat-oriented to be just as troubling as the converse.

Your condescending attitude could use some work, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

we find your constant need to diminish or bash bradley equally troublesome.

like i said by this point nobody is changing anybodys mind about the guy so do we really need to constantly harp on everything the guy does and says?

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I have often said...

… that if I’m wrong about Bradley, I’d admit it.

He had a good day on Sunday and I said so. If he continues to have good games, not only will I say so, but clearly, that will help the team win, and that should make all of us happy.

Fair enough?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

What does stat-oriented have to do with anything?

The original post is about a quote that was printed differently by the AP and by Paul Sullivan, so in essence the OP is getting worked up over something that might not even be factual, and given Paul Sullivan’s history, I’d be inclined to believe that.

In any case, it’s just another case of Cubs fans resorting to personal attacks on a person they never liked and never wanted on their team from the beginning.

by stringerbel on Jul 26, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously Bradley's very polarizing for whatever reason

But this diary is a great example of how the knee jerks the other way – Bradley makes a tongue-in-cheek statement that Sullivan twists into a hit piece, that fans here can’t wait to start clicking their tongues at and shaking their heads.

Bradley may bring some of the negativity on himself, but this story is a prime example of how so much of the Legend of Milton Bradley is a media construction.

by Wreckard on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

ah!

finally, someone says something sensible about the OP.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

When a player hears that his “fans” would be willing to trade him for essentially nothing, it probably makes him mad. I know it would for me. It’s a shame he doesn’t handle that criticism better, but we knew what type of guy we were getting before we signed him . . .

by madcow256 on Jul 26, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

so you don't see a problem

with complaining about fans not cheering for you when your team is winning and has just moved into first place? and wait a minute – how could he be annoyed with people like me complaining about his post game comments before he even made them? what was he annoyed about when he made those comments?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you read the one comment they had in there?

"Are we going to get more cheers now?" he asked reporters. "Are we going to start getting bashed … in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage?"

One comment, and without hearing his tone of voice, it’s hard to say just how “mad” he was or whether he was being rhetorical. We don’t even know what the question was they asked him. Let him say something more than this before we start making fanposts about it.

by madcow256 on Jul 26, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

the quote was “am I going to get more cheers now.” big difference. worrying about yourself and your perceived lack of support from fans after a win is not a sign of a team player.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

I’m gonna break some disappointing news to you . . . there is nothing special about Cubs players that makes them wonderful people. We like them because we generally see them in a good light and enjoy their actions on the baseball field. Some of them do good things with their status, others are pricks. Milton may be more of the latter and we see it because of the spotlight put on him, but don’t let yourself think he’d be the only person on the team with an ego or a chip on their shoulder.

by madcow256 on Jul 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you blind?

In the article you linked to, the quote reads:

"Are we going to get more cheers now?"

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

eh

the trib article says “i.” i’ll try to get over myself though. thanks for the advice!

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

and in the face of ALL EVIDENCE

that Sullivan has it in for Bradley, you continue attacking windmills…

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

where's the evidence

if you can provide any, please do. otherwise, don’t suggest that there are piles of evidence.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sullivan has

stated that he doesn’t cover guys he doesn’t like fairly. Stop trying to hide from it.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

please provide a link

in the absence of tangible evidence, your continued assertions ring hollow and discredit you.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/paul-sullivan-has-a-problem-pt.-4018/

I find your comment extraordinarily ironic.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh

actually, read a little closer. he says nothing about letting personal feelings affect his coverage. NOTHING. he says sometimes finds himself not rooting for players who have treated him like garbage (hint to milton bradley – it’s not good to treat people like garbage – they’re less likely to like you). ROOT. that’s the key word. says absolutely NOTHING about letting it affect what he writes. nice try though.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

"That’s the whole thing of our jobs. We’re human and people that treat us nicer probably get better coverage. The people, you know, that are rude to us.. I don’t want to say Milton was rude but he certainly wasn’t very nice to me. You know they’re not always going to get the best coverage. So….You try and be an objective person but uh, you know, we are human, …so."

-Paul Sullivan

by Wreckard on Jul 27, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

he said that, on television

so, a random blog that claims that paul sullivan said that on television is your source for this? sorry, but you’re going to need to do better. let’s assume, though, for a moment, that sullivan does have it out to bradley because bradley was a cock to him – that in no way changes the fact that bradley was complaining about fans and media in the wake of an important win. not. a. team. player.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

forget it.

this is why I wish we had the ignore user function on SBN. You’re ignoring every piece of evidence.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those words came directly from Paul Sullivan's mouth.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

We anxiously await your reply.

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by daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, so I read below that Sullivan wrote it the other way...

(which I have no doubt was him trying to stir stuff up), but if you were going to quote him in your comments, why did you link to the yahoo article where he clearly says “ARE WE”?

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right about that

it wasn’t intentional – i first read the yahoo article, and then read the trib article – i assumed, incorrectly, that the quote was the same in both sources. usually it is. it’s supposed to be. anyhow, i put the trib link below.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I really don't

have a problem with anything Milton’s said.

I personally love that he’s got the cajones to say what he wants, to step on toes, and the fact that he’s hitting means he can say whatever he wants and I’ll cheer for him.

Why wouldn’t he be annoyed with people like you who are annoyed by everything he’s ever said, done or breathed on? He played really well today from everything I can gather (I haven’t been able to watch a game in nearly a week) and instead of fans glorying in the sweep and good team performance… they’re complaining about Milton Bradley’s comments in the paper.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

the way i see it

what players say and how they act and carry themselves contributes to the overall atmosphere of the club and the season. i don’t know if it ultimately makes a difference in how they perform on the field, but in 2004, the players worrying about what steve stone was saying seemed to be symptomatic of a certain lack of accountability and was definitely a harbinger of poor play to come.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

the way

i see it the cubs won today. thanks in part to milton bradley

so you can quit worrying that his magic malcontent dust will hurt the team in the loss column.

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hope that it doesn't

hurt us in the loss column. but i don’t think that means it’s not a conversation worth having. if it’s not a conversation people are interested in, they don’t need to be a part of it.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

F**k it

I dont want to rehash this stuff again

enjoy hating on a starting player on your own team.

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's great to have cajones

but in my opinion, it’s not great to be worrying about your own personal acclaim or lack thereof when your team is winning.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my opinion

its not great for fans to take what athletes say in the paper personally.

Revel in the team, why worry about what Bradley may have meant in the paper?

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's great to have drawers?

That’s what cajones actually means. It’s misspelled. :D

Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jul 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

hee

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!

well… they do usually go in your drawers… lol

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point!

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

So how do you spell it?

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by daver on Jul 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No idea

the only spanish i remember from high school is “Donde esta el banyo?” (which probably isn’t spelled correctly either.

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I remember is my textbook was called "Churros y Chocolate."

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

well your english is not any better

seriously where did you learn grammar asnd the english language your posts sound so dumb allie

by left shark on Jul 28, 2009 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy there, fishy.

You’re not exactly vying for a spot on the New York Times editorial board yourself. How ’bout we all enjoy the Cubs success and play nice-nice?

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fins to the write!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

His comment really stuck in my gills.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you tell all the posters about their grammar - asnd spelling, too

Not to mention punctuation.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

jesus christ

you would think the bradley haters could give it a rest for one freaking day

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

i'm not sure

that i’m hating on him. what he said, which i see as part of a pattern, bothers me. however, i still root for him to perform well, as the thing i want most is for the cubs to win. if voicing my opinion about something that bothers me about someone is definitely “hating” on them, then i guess i am. sorry if it bothers you.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The

Bradley lines are very well drawn. You either like him (wreckard, drewishdrew, myself) or hate him (santos, al, this dude)

this post is not going to change anyone’s mind

lets not feed the troll

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

i'm a troll now?

interesting. criticism isn’t welcome here?

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

this isnt

criticism

this is you trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Stone and Kaplan gave us enough generation controversy yesterday, why dont you let us rest a bit

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

The way I see it, the discussion all became longer than necessary.

So this guy is bothered by a questionable quote. Too bad. At least he didn’t make any personal comments on why he hates MB so much. I mean, I was a little surprised by this quote, but hey, the win is what matters, and you know, we should stop booing MB altogether. Sure, he might be notorious for his off field problems, but he really isn’t putting that much attention on himself.

Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, it's not trolling

If you want trolling, go to Sarah Palin’s facebook page.
And look a coupel of days back.

THOSE are trolls. :D

Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jul 27, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually

it is criticism. you might not agree with it but it is, nonetheless, criticism. and i don’t see how it’s trolling.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

look through

your comment history. you either have a weird obsession about Bradley, or just want to stir things up

in the immortal words of BLou

Pound Sand.

by CalCalender on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

duh

trolls are known for their lacking ability to hit reply. basic troll knowledge.

by Glacier on Jul 26, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to like Milton, I really do...

I want to like every Cub, obviously. But man, he sure does make it hard sometimes.

by kanderber on Jul 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually read the AP article before you chalk it up to him being an idiot, though
As the two-time defending division champions—and the NL Central team with by far the highest payroll—the Cubs were expected to win again. Outfielder Milton Bradley(notes) didn’t seem happy about the team’s ascension, complaining about the demanding fans and media.

"Are we going to get more cheers now?" he asked reporters. "Are we going to start getting bashed … in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage?"

Admittedly, I like Milton. I liked the signing and may not be the most impartial on him… but this really doesn’t seem like “OMG, woe is me!”…

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

right, but did the AP article have it correct?

sullivan gave the entire quote and he has it as “am i going to get more cheers now?” i don’t know which is correct. the AP isn’t 100% reliable anymore than the trib is.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's impossible to know.

I checked Bruce Miles’ Daily Herald recap, the recap in the Sun-Times, and the one at cubs.com. None of those articles has this quote.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bruce had it in a different article.
“It’s nice,” right fielder Milton Bradley said. "I don’t think we’re going to get any nicer articles written about us. But we are in first place, so you can’t find a negative in that.

“Are we going to get more cheers now? Are we going to start getting bashed by everybody in articles about our lineup and was it better last year and all that garbage? Last year’s team is sitting home just like everybody else. There’s one champion.”

I’ll say that we don’t know what happened with the real quote and it’s dangerous to jump to conclusions, but this doesn’t reflect well on Sullivan.

For the most part, this is a non-issue. It doesn’t make me like Bradley any less, and I don’t hate him. It just seems like Milton being Milton, and at some point as a fan, you just roll your eyes, say, “whatever” and hope that he produces.

Link

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

the point that they make is correct however

he doesn’t seem too happy about the team’s ascension – he seems more worried about things that have happened in the past. i don’t get the feeling that this guy is capable of letting things go. that could end up blowing up in the organization’s face. why is he saying any of this stuff? why put a NEGATIVE spin on a positive day? it boggles my mind.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see this as all that negative

He’s saying, to me, “Hey, look how good we’re playing now. I hope thats the end of the stupid articles and hand wringing! And that people start cheering more instead of dwelling on how much we sucked compared to last year”.

YMMV.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

but why is it necessary

to comment on past negativity at all? people are more likely to view milton in a positive light if he doesn’t bring up things like this during a positive time for his team.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Why does this seem so personal to you? He said 3 sentences and mentioned fans and articles comparing this team to last years….

Really, some of the things Milton’s said have warranted a reaction like this (well, maybe not) but this really doesn’t seem awful. Or like he called the fans out that bad.

But reactions like yours are why he did. Everything he sort of says is taken in the worst possible way. Can’t win with some people.

by Allie on Jul 26, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because

MB has been bashed, booed and hated on for the whole season so far.

It is not like he just fired a ball into centerfield, tried to throw an umpire out of the game, or bashed a Gatorade dispenser. The man is being civil here.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Talk about not letting things go...

You’re positively obssessed with Bradley.

Nice try, by the way, to rationalize the fact that the article linked doesn’t have the quote as you claimed it was given.

We get it. You hate Bradley. He’s selfish, etc., blah blah blah….

No wonder Bradley has issues with fans when he has to deal with everything he says being sifted for the most negative possible inferences.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 26, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not making up the fact

that the quote is given differently in the trib article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-27-cubs-reds-chicago-jul27,0,2465368.story

i guess it is a “nice” try come to think of it. i try and succeed in proving that the quote is different in the yahoo/ap articles and the trib article.

by John T. Unger on Jul 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since he uses "we"

in the second sentence I’m going to assume he used it in the first one. Paul Sullivan does not like MB so it servves his purpose to make MB look bad.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 26, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does seem awful weird...

that he would have just that one “I” in a series of “we’s”…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 26, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've already read it...

The point is, he has a piss poor attitude.

by kanderber on Jul 27, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

and

once again he isnt paid to give you warm and fuzzies in after game quotes

that was DeRosa’s job

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

and

That didn’t work so well in the playoffs

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Jul 27, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It does seem odd

that the day the Cubs get back into first Milton makes comments that is counterproductive for what the Cubs have gone through.
 The DL has been a regular spot for the Cubs, Ramirez, Soto, “Z”, Harden, Dempster, they have had players go through horrible slumps,Dome, Soriano, Bradley, Soto and Lee the first month and a half.
 Cotts was booed, Soriano has been booed, Heilman has been booed, Miles booed and our beloved Milton has been booed. Milton of course is the only one who is effected by this and has to take his attitude to the press.
 Argue if you may between “we” and “I” and if Paul Sullivan has an agenda to “get” Milton, bottom line, this is Milton Bradley and we as Cub fans have two more years of this. Get use to it.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 27, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

hopefully the detroit rumor is true adn this guy is outta town in a week

GO BULLS

by FAN of the BULLS on Jul 27, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

stop hoping.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

We will need him

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

see all the trouble

getting this bradly was. nothing but trouble in the clubhouse and with fan?media even when the Cubs play good

by left shark on Jul 27, 2009 3:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Who are you, Yoda?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who says

there is trouble in the clubhouse?

We don’t know what goes on down there.
So, yea, this isn’t too bad

Yoda, you are not.

Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Bradley wasn't talking to the press anymore...

…. when did he decide to start? I mean it, seriously. When he made THAT pronouncement, that was the last time there were these types of Bradley threads here.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 27, 2009 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Get over it people, or more accurately, "person"...

Milton said “Are we” and he was smiling and joking when he said it. And I completely agree with him.

Can we stop booing him before every at bat? Can we cheer for him, and everyone else on the 1st place Cubs? Can we stop perpetuating trade rumors that have absolutely no truth to them? Can we root for our favorite team and hope they do well and quit the booing and bitching crap?

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Milton being Milton

Is any of this stuff shocking? The guy has forever been a cancer and a ticking time bomb that can go off at any moment. Without baseball he will doubtful make it to his 45th birthday alive or prison-free.

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Jul 27, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow! BLou!

This is funny, man!

Here it is as the Cubs have climbed into first place and you rear your head only to chime in on this neg post as the Northsiders climb into first place. You are a piece of work dude.

It would be great if you would for once put your money where your mouth is and bet someone on this board if they want to take you on with your predictions of “no more than, 86/no – 83/no – 81/no – 79-win…” team. And, “no higher than 4th place” haha!

Yes – and we’ve “shot you” already. lol

I realize the season is not over today, and the Cubs have not won shit – but let’s realize the team is finally playing up to their expectations for a little bit here, and I for one, hope it continues. It is a helluvah lot better than the alternative, right? Or, maybe not for you – I just don’t know.

by The E-Man on Jul 27, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

you know what

fuck you BLou. That comment is beyond inappropriate.

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I usually don't like that kind of language toward another poster.

But in this case, you happen to be correct.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is a black hole

where your heart once was.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.
Without baseball he will doubtful make it to his 45th birthday alive or prison-free.

What a bunch of racist garbage. Your comment sucks too.

by Wreckard on Jul 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll take care of this.

That was really a completely inappropriate comment that has no place here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

You took the words right out of my mouth.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Jul 27, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go Cards

AMIRITE?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is legit about his point?

OF COURSE POSITIVE ARTICLE WILL BE WRITTEN ABOUT THE TEAM NOW! that’s what happens when you win and are in first place. even sullivan’s recap would have been positive if it weren’t for the fact that an important player on the team sat there after a win complaining about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the team or winning. i just don’t get how he doesn’t understand how this whole thing is a vicious cycle – one that only HE has the power to stop. and what is he listening to? when the cubs do well the fans go CRAZY! it’s insulting as a fan to hear this stuff. pat hughes said he got goosebumps after the final out yesterday listening to the crowd. i know i stand and cheer for every damn thing that goes well, regardless of who does it, as long as they’re a cub. i honestly just think he doesn’t understand. he thinks everything revolves around HIM.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're talking about a guy

who, batting after Soriano hit a home run, was booed.

You like making a big deal of of this, and then say “what, who, me?” when you get called on it.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

do you think fans dislike him

because of the way he looks? or because of his goofy name? my point above is he seems totally CLUELESS about the reason that people dislike him. and that complaining about it only makes it worse.

also: “You like making a big deal of of this, and then say "what, who, me?" when you get called on it.”

this makes no sense. when did i say anything to that effect? your comment makes no sense.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

My comment makes

plenty of sense. You stir up trouble, and then when people say “this and this and this and this” you say “oh, no, not me!”

I think it’s entirely possible that there are some fans who don’t like the way he looks, but I think even MORE fans only know what they can easily read, and the media in Chicago has had it out for Bradley since before he got here. “Will Bradley be Booed in His First At Bat”?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine someone else said this

Aramis or Derrek or Riot…

Do you react this way to them?

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

no because they aren't Milton Bradley

This is all about the person saying the words, not the words being said.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure seems that way to me too

figured i’d ask though just to see if we could get an ounce of honesty here.

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

what have i said

to suggest that i’m being in any way dishonest? i’ve voiced my opinion, acknowledged that the quote may have been misquoted (but said that the quote, even with “we” still bugs the heck out of me and i’d be surprised if it didn’t bug some of his teammates). where’s the dishonesty? again, with the personal attacks. this blog is interesting – the second you try to be critical, you’re accused of various things – dishonesty, rooting against the team, being a troll, etc. i really don’t understand it. i’ve enjoyed parts of this conversation because i enjoy debate, but i don’t understand the personal attacks. oh well.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet

Milton Bradley doesn’t like your personal attacks either.

Of course even with the “we” it still bothers you. You don’t like him. We get it.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Soriano says the same, he would of gotten some heat, at least from me and I am sure others

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

but they haven’t said it. and i’m guessing they won’t. attitude doesn’t necessarily win games, and i’m as critical of riot or lee as anyone when they play poorly, but they don’t compound their poor play by having a bad attitude. you say “imagine someone else said this” – it’s hard to imagine, because it’s a pretty ridiculous comment to make.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree

he said nothing ridiculous.

The most ridiculous thing I’ve heard said… have come from some guy named John.

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

except that every word Milton said was true

If he doesn’t go 4-4 today we will get booed. If we lose tonight the team will probably get grief from the fans.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

god damn I can't type today

He will get booed, we won’t get booed.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll get booed

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew it.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's not poor

unfortunately, jim hendry made absolutely sure of that.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

ah!

he’s getting paid a lot of money! Are you jealous? Is that what your problem is?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're the one

who brought up the money. Considering you’ve been putting intent into Bradley’s mouth for nearly 24 hours on no evidence, I think it’s UTTERLY fitting.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

that’s what we do with words, isn’t it? try to determine their intent? maybe his intent was, oh, i don’t know, to laud his fellow teammates for their great play, try to focus on the positives, the future, etc. but it doesn’t seem like that to me. maybe it seems like that to you. i’d be curious as to why you see it that way, but you’d be entitled to your opinion. my interpretation is that bradley is more worried about himself and the past than about winning.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

the things he has said show your assessment to be dead wrong.

He takes responsibility for his actions. he takes responsibility for his play. If he’s asking fans to be responsible for their actions, there’s nothing wrong with that.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing we often do with words

is to properly capitalize them when the situation warrants. The beginning of a sentence is a good place to do this.

Try it. It’s fun!

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

another hallmark of the great internet debater!

the shots at the grammar of those you don’t agree with. thanks for the suggestion, but i’d rather not capitalize. perhaps my shift button is jammed.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Too bad your defensive button is as well.

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley

Has probably dug himself into a hole he’ll never be able to dig out of. He’s struggled with, and continues to struggle with anger management. Personally, I am not inclined to tolerate such childish behavior and I’m glad Lou has decided to draw a line in the sand.

But I’d like to point out two things.

One, if you were against this trade from the start, if you hated the idea of seeing this monster in Cubbie blue, you’re not judging him objectively. And you should realize that you’re going to read everything he says with that same bias, especially when you don’t make the effort to determine the context or tone of voice.

Two, I get that he gets paid $10 million to stand there and get booed and get lambasted in the press. I get that you paid for your ticket and have every right to say what you want about and to him. But maybe you should extend him the same courtesy. If you can call him a bum, he can call you thankless. Don’t feed me the “role model” or “ambassador to the public” crap if you’re not going to play by the same rules.

by redward on Jul 27, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Paul Sullivan

Lied.

He has now changed the quote that started all of this from “I” to “we” that was reported by everyone else there.

Fire this man. Fire him yesterday.

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Well...

… it’s possible that change was made by an editor.

It’s also possible that Sullivan misheard Bradley.

There are a lot of possibilities for this error.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure...

I’m reading the article now, and it still says:

Am I going to get more cheers now?" he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-27-cubs-reds-chicago-jul27,0,2465368.story

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

my bad gang

I got confused. Sullivan still says “I” and Miles and yahoo say “we”

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

that said

Sullivan still needs to get fired.

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO milton has a legit beef here

Its a journalists job to print the EXACT quote. Misquoting a word like I or we is a big difference, especially when it comes to Milton Bradley. Given the way Bradley has been treated by writers- Sullivan in particular- this needs to be looked at further.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not necessarily a Paul Sullivan hater...

…but at the same time, it’s pretty clear to anybody who reads him regularly, that he doesn’t like certain guys and he slants his reporting about them.

Sullivan doesn’t like Bradley and bends over backwards to show him in the worst possible light. Even in today’s game recap he couldn’t resist mentioning the “chip on Bradley’s shoulder”.

No wonder some players become so cynical about the media.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Add Jon Heyman to that list

He takes every opportunity to badmouth Bradley.

I understand not liking a guy, but using your position to mount a personal smear campaign against him is truly unprofessional.

by redward on Jul 27, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Grr.

this is a reply to bluekoolaide.

by redward on Jul 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, Heyman, Wittenmyer and, of course, Stone...

…never miss a chance to take a shot at Milton on Twitter.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll ask it again for the 1,000th time this weekend

Does anybody know if there is a story behind Stone and Milton? He hates Milton. I mean hates him.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

But I feel like Stone’s thing is extremely personal, and knowing how thin Stone’s skin is, I feel like there is a really good story behind the whole thing.

one week into the season he was already comparing Dewayne wise to milton, and now his obsession is gordon beckham and milton.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not aware of any specific stories relating Stone to Milton.

I think the issue may be more Stone’s bitterness toward the Cubs about not being offered a management or advisory position within the organization. (Along with the fact that Steve is now a “Sox guy,” and he’s just playing to his audience.) Milton Bradley is probably just low-hanging fruit.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stone Pony hates the Cubs

Milton Bradley plays for the Cubs, and is an easy target to insult, a 7 year old could predict what could transpire.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like he would attack other guys too though

Like Z. Cleary I’m just making too much out of this. Steve is just using Milton to represent the Cubs in his mind that way he gets twice the hate.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Static.

Anything Milton says or does off the field is static. His performance on the field is what matters.

OBP: ↑

SLG: ↓

We just have to hang in there and hope he can start adding some XBH to go along with all those BB.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Not usually a big fan...

But Rosie hits the nail on the head with this one.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

same here

i can do without some of his stuff, but he’s dead on.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, give me a break...

he’s taking misquotes from Sullivan, and then construing them into whatever the hell he wants them to mean. What journalist refers to players using nicknames such as “badmouthing bradley” and “Milton the miserable”? He’s a joke, and if you’re buying into all this static instead of focusing on the fact that Bradley had a great game, Cubs won, we’re rolling, well then I simply feel sad for you…

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley is a joke...

His attitude is pathetic, his numbers have been pathetic, and if this is the kind of player you want on your team… well then I simply feel sad for you.

We’ve been winning in spite of his struggles, not because he’s turned the corner and is playing better. He walked twice yesterday and had a nice catch, he still can’t hit left-handed and can’t catch up to mediocre fastballs. One decent game doesn’t make a great player, I’m basing my judgement on the crap we’ve seen from him all season.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you want your team to fail, root against your players. I choose to root for them.

I’m so frustrated with the likes of you who have nothing but negative things to say about your own team and blow every little thing out of proportion. I saw this coming from the moment we signed Bradley and the media in this town began to criticize him before he ever suited up for the Cubbies.

Bradley hustles, his OBP is great, he’s patient, and he’s a switch hitter. I believe he’s hitting over .300 from the right side, and he’s at .248 overall. So yeah, he’s struggled from the left side, and he’s struggled with power. But he gets on base, his defense is good, and he’s really picked it up lately. To me, Soto and Soriano have had far worse years, but we’re still picking on Milton.

MB battled through several nagging injuries early in the year, and was immediately blasted by the media and boo’d by the fans for it. I’m not surprised it took him a while to get things straightened out after those set-backs… it’s frustrating when injuries take you out of your normal routine, and sometimes overcompensating for one nagging injury causes another (see Ted Lilly). MB was clearly frustrated with himself, but he’s pulling through it. He’s had temper tantrums- but that’s anger aimed at himself- not anyone else. I like a little fire. I also thought he handled the situation with Lou really professionally.

I met Lou at a restaurant a week ago and was having a nice conversation with him. I asked him about Bradley. He said that Bradley was “honestly, a good kid” who was “simply down on himself” and he had no doubt he’d turn it around. I said really? And he repeated that he was a good guy and would turn it around.

MB is not a saint. No MLB player is. And I don’t really care what my team’s players do off the field. I don’t blame him for his contract- Jim Henry offered it to him and he accepted. And I don’t give a crap if my players talk to the media. (Why do you think Urlacher hasn’t talked for over a year?) I just want them to do well on the field, and I’ll do my small part by cheering for them when they do well.

MB has hit just under or above .300 for 7 of the last 8 years… he’s not a flash in the pan, but one thing is for sure, the booing and the media scrutiny is NOT HELPING him play better.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

how is commenting on a player’s strange, and in our opinion, self-serving, comments after a great win “wanting the team to fail.”? it’s not. as a matter of fact, i want the team to win, and i think having players who clearly aren’t 100% focused on that is a problem. you can disagree with that, but you can’t accuse me of wanting the cubs to fail. nothing i’ve said has even remotely suggested that. why then would you suggest it?

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because to some here, you're either "for us or against us"

and any negative comment about any aspect of the Cub organization is seditious.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking only for myself

I don’t have a problem with negative comments, as long as they’re constructive. But most seem to fall into one of the following categories:

DFA/Release/Trade player X after one week (or series, or game, or at-bat) of below average performance.

OMG WE ARE GOING TO LOSE after the opposing team takes a small lead in early innings.

Player X is not behaving in my preferred manner off the field.

I don’t see the value in these. YMMV.

by redward on Jul 27, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

Most of the participants here can see middle ground, at least in my experience.

I agree with you that the examples you cite are pointless comments.

However, there are some that go the other extreme, and not only refuse to acknowledge anything wrong with the club, but get bent out of shape when others do.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booing a player, for instance, BEFORE a pinch-hit at-bat Saturday (that happened to end in a homer)...

is rooting for him, and in-turn your team, to fail.

Posting this post, trying to make a big deal out of nothing, stirring up more shit over a quote that you know is arguably incorrect, is rooting for him, and in-turn your team, to fail.

Posting 50 comments on your own post, re-stating your point, beating it into our heads (we get it! you don’t like him!), is rooting for him to fail.

And posting an article claiming he’s going to be traded to Detroit, even citing your own sources as accurate, and then bidding him adieu, making it sound like there is truth to the ridiculously false rumor, is rooting for him to fail, and in-turn your team, to fail (or to have failed).

If you’re guilty of one, or any or these things, I think that qualifies you.

I do agree with you that if he’s not a team player, he needs to change his tune. But I haven’t seen anything on the field that suggests he’s not a team player. He doesn’t strike out, swinging for the fences (this is a big thing to me). He doesn’t NOT hustle, on defense or when running the bases. He makes smarts slides. He gets the ball back in quickly (with one dumb exception of course!). He always congratulates players with high-fives in the dug-out (my seats have a great view of the Cubs dugout- and I always keep an eye on this). So if he does have “me first” issues, I don’t see them on the field, and anything in the club-house is hearsay, and therefore nothing I care to comment on or start rumors about.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Poor sportsmanship, perhaps - but not necessarily rooting for failure

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily, no

I’m not saying I agree with doing it, but it could be nothing more than showing displeasure.

I think it’s over the top with Bradley – I wish people would lay off him. I also think it’s stupid that Dusty Baker still gets booed.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

we’ll agree to disagree bc the only booing I can see any point in, is when someone doesn’t hustle/try, or when they swing at a wildly terrible pitch that they’re known to not be able to lay off of, and they whiff big-time for the strike out.

on a side note, did you notice that Baker wasn’t really booed this weekend? Even when he went out to argue that call yesterday, it took people a while to notice, and even then the booing was really tame, thankfully.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It got better with Baker this weekend, yes

I thought the same thing. I was still disappointed that they booed at all, but it wasn’t as bad.

Last comment on the rooting to fail – I don’t boo often, but when I do, it’s to show displeasure for what’s already transpired, not to hope for more of the same.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 27, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i guess if were to boo, that’s why i would do it too – it’s a way to voice your displeasure with something that’s been done or not been done or something that’s been said.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh

actually, none of those things are rooting for your team to fail. i’m not sure why you seem to feel that you have some sort of special insight into the definition of this phrase, but you don’t. i’ve never rooted against the cubs. when bradley comes up, i hope he does something good every time. and i don’t know where this whole booing thing came into the conversation – i personally have never booed at a cubs game in my entire life. a few times i’ve gotten up and left in disgust, but that hasn’t happened often, and one of the times they came back (the cleveland game earlier this season) so i might think twice about doing that again. but yeah, anyhow, none of those things are rooting for your team to fail.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

plus

almost the entire quote is correct. forget about the cheering part if you want. erase that sentence. the rest of what he says is goofy and nonsensical too. so how, again, am i trying to stir up shit over a quote i know is arguably incorrect? please, explain.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see anything wrong with the rest of the quote given the context of the conversation...

which was that 1st place means nothing at this moment, the only thing that matters is being in 1st at the end of the year.

And that fact that you’re justifying your post by saying “it’s almost correct” is just sad.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

first of all - i didn't say "it's almost correct"; i said almost the entire quote is correct

meaning the only line at issue is cheering line, which is a dumb thing to say regardless of whether he used “I” or “we.” an entire stadium of loyal fans who paid a shitload of money to watch the team and eat and drink were just STANDING AND CHEERING for your team, Milton. get your head out of your ass.

other parts of the quote are silly too:

“Are we going to stop getting bashed by everybody, articles about our lineup and how it was better last year and all that garbage.”

what? what does this have to do with ANYTHING? worry about the team and about winning milton, and about performing well. the rest will take care of itself. it blows my mind that so many people are willing to continue to defend this guy. his past speaks for itself – i think we were all hopeful that his issues were behind him – he somehow bamboozled hendry into thinking that they were and that we was the “missing piece” – but time and time again this season he has said and done things that suggest he’ll never be a positive influence on a major league team.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

God, you're thick.

Again, you’re taking that quote out of context. The point of the long exchange between MB & reporters was, not much has changed, they can’t lose focus and think everything has changed because they’re 1/2 game in first, they have to put their heads down and keep trucking ahead and not think they’ve accomplished anything yet- not think everything has changed just because they’re back in 1st for the moment. And again, he was smiling and joking when he said that quote above.

And as for your earlier claim that because you don’t boo at games you’re innocent- well why the hell do you think people boo Bradley at games, before he even steps up to the plate? It’s because of people like you and Sullivan who propagate this fictitious slander. I don’t care if you’re at the game, or you’re booing, I don’t care- you’re contributing to it. In fact, I’m starting to think you are Sullivan…

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks the insult

classy people around here for sure. and, it’s not fictitious. it’s what he said. and in my opinion, saying things like that anytime, but especially when the team as a whole seems to be moving in the right direction, suggests certain things about bradley’s character. you’re free to disagree, and i guess you’re free to call me “thick” all you want, but that sort of thing doesn’t really advance your argument.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what the hell is the difference between:

“it’s almost correct” and “almost the entire quote is correct”?

I’m done with arguing with you. You’re clearly not worth it.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know?

you make my head hurt.

I don’t understand what is so objectionable about what Bradley said (in either quote you’ve latched on to)… and you’ve failed to say what it is about it that you find so horrible.

And debating with you when you keep moving the goal posts is tiresome.

by Allie on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Nothing but negative things to say about your own team"...

Read through some of my posts, I’m in Game Threads ocassionally and am usually nothing but positive and supportive of this team. Even when we were down in the dumps in June, I still kept the faith. I am a fan of this TEAM, one player is not above the team and is not immune to criticism that is separate from the TEAM.

It’s funny, because you bash me for essentially the same reason I’m bashing Bradley. Your team has battled injuries, adversity, and poor play all season, and they finally seem to be turning it around and are in first place for the frist time in a while… and the only thing he has to say is some dumb comment about “getting more cheers” or brining up last years lineup and playing the victim card again? Unbelievable.

Hey Milton, maybe a comment about how well your team is playing, how things seem to be coming together. Instead, he chooses to go down the negativity route… again.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I thought the quotes were accurate and that he was being ferousciously serious...

(which he wasn’t, bc he was smiling and joking) I would react differently to it. And if I thought he was giving one inch of room by the media since joining this team, I would feel the same way as you.

The larger fact is, we’re stuck with him, right? We have him for the next 2.5 years, we’re paying him alot of money, and if Cubs fans boo him and litter blogs with hate for him, we’re only devaluing him even more. This is what I don’t get. If you want to trade him, how are you going to do that if every team knows we hate him personally? How would we trade him if he’s struggling and he’s hated by the fans? What team would take that on and how would we get anything in return? I didn’t sign him, but I’m trying to make the best of the situation.

by smash! on Jul 27, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still haven't seen video or heard audio

where can i do that on the internet? someone said mouthpiecesports but they only have a few comments he made after the game yesterday – not the comments in question.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sullivan...

Should edit the article and offer some sort of apology for the misquote.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just under or above .300 the last 7 of eight years??

.278 lifetime hitter, oh well

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

more garbage.

and the Trib is still misquoting him.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know?

Until we get some clarification from Sully or get some audio, it’s up in the air now.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

no

plenty of other media have the quote properly. Only the Trib has it wrong.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I have heard the audio on the radio today

multiple times. There were no I’s used. Not once. It was we every single time.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll try to find it on the radio

him saying we would change it a little, but the fact is, i was disgusted after i read the yahoo account, which, according to you, has it correctly. he’s moaning about irrelevant stuff after a team win. nobody else does that, at least on this team, and i can’t imagine them appreciating that.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

What station?

I’ve been listening around and haven’t heard anyting yet. If you heard right, then Sullivan really does need to fix the error and apologize.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

that would be a mistake by sullivan and one that needs to be addressed, but it doesn’t change the bulk of the quote – i’ll say it again – THE CROWD WAS CHEERING FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM YESTERDAY YOU MORON. the crowd cheers everytime something good happens. that’s the nature of crowds. his comments are completely and totally nonsensical.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait

so we’re supposed to cheer the team when the other team scores? i don’t understand. what does my comment have to do with being a fairweather fan. true cub fans are always rooting for their team, but it wouldn’t make much sense to cheer them at the game when things aren’t going well.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"the crowd cheers everytime something good happens."

Yes, they do. And then they boo him the next time he’s up at bat. And if he does well, they cheer. And then they boo him his next at bat.

How would you respond to that situation?

by redward on Jul 27, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you gone out and watched vidoe on mouthpiecesports.com.

You still going to defend the unprofessional hack that is Paul Sullivan. I do not like to accuse anyone of being a racist especially someone I have never met before. But lets just say his articles over the years could be interpreted that Sullivan treats people of different colors differently. Not accusing him of being a racist just saying and pointing it that I understand how some could come to a conclusion that there are some racial tones based ONLY on his articles.

by MandMexpress12 on Jul 27, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was on ESPN 1000

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also I'm sure that Boers and Bernstien will play it

about 1,000 times during their show today.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so...

Because The Score hasn’t even mentioned it all morning.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that show would let go

without playing it a number of times. Unless the score didn’t have somebody there to get the audio.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was just played on the Score's 1pm update

He said “we” so, again, that should be the end of that.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, we await your response.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 27, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was out for lunch

and it’s already been debunked.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pathetic journalism.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reed Johnson put it best in his blog today...
If you can take the focus off what you’re doing as an individual, I think that’s the main goal of our team — to have everybody involved in that team aspect of things and just concerned about winning ballgames.

Take note Milton, it’s not all about you.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

somebody

get a new fanshot up reminding sullivan & rosenhack to fact check / stop misquoting people for controversy

by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I was begging Milton not to take a BB during the GameThread yesterday

because I want to see him start putting the bat on the ball a little more often.

Now, however, I’m starting to rethink my position. I can think of no greater thing than to watch Milton Bradley take ball four with the bases loaded to win the World Series. The sweet justice of such a moment would be almost too much.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

this team

is almost certain to get to the world series.

by John T. Unger on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just think, if they do, you can piss all over that, too.

What fun you’ll have!

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 27, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a quick side note

We won the game… so I guess that the focus may still be on the team.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? - Jim Bouton

by Beaushek on Jul 27, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

it’s been two days, and you’ve still failed to prove your point.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

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