Cards PTBNL in DeRosa trade is #5, wait no #4, wait no #2 prospect in system
The Cardinals traded Jess Todd to the Cleveland Indians to finalize the trade for Mark DeRosa.
Entering the season, John Sickels posted the Cardinals top 20 prospects.
"1) Colby Rasmus, OF, Grade A-: I’m going to cut him some slack due to youth. Power, speed, walks, defense are all still here. Not going to hit for a great average right away.
2) Brett Wallace, 3B, Grade A-: Monster bat should be ready within a year. Glove at third should be adequate in the short run.
3) Chris Perez, RHP, Grade B+: Outstanding closer-quality stuff, just needs to throw strikes.
4) Daryl Jones, OF, Grade B: I buy into the improvement being real. Has always had the tools and skills improved rapidly this year. This is an aggressive grade but I’m comfortable with it.
5) Jess Todd, RHP, Grade B-: Strike-throwing inning-eater type if used as a starter, could be more dominant in shorter stretches if used in pen.
Click on the Sickels link if you want to see the full list, but basically Rasmus isn't officially a prospect anymore (good young player, but he lost prospect status when he hit 130 at-bats), Wallace has already been traded, and Perez has been traded too. So according to Sickels, Todd would have been the Cards No. 2 prospect left.
More.......
The Cardinals have traded their pre-season No. 2 Wallace prospect (No. 17 & No. 23 too) for Matt Holliday. It's ironic because now it seems like Ankiel and pre-season No. 1 Rasmus will be splitting equal time in CF because Ankiel won't be playing LF anymore.
Meanwhile, the Cards traded pre-season No. 3 prospect Perez and pre-season No. 5 Todd prospect for Mark DeRosa. According to Sickels' pre-season ranks, the Cards now have one B rate prospect, one B- rate prospect and a slew of C+ prospects
Next time someone wants to dump on Hendry and the Cubs for having a terrible system, just take a look at the Cards. Hell, look at every other team in the NL Central. Is there any other team with a better minor league system than the Cubs?
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What if Holliday and DeRosa leave the Cards after this season?
That could make for some angry fans in STL
by murphymj on Jul 27, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would they be angry?
They’re trying all out to win a series NOW. That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think these moves have made them better than
Philly or LA, and maybe not even better than the Cubs.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get in the playoffs and anything can happen.
The won a WS a few years ago with one of their worst squads.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from 2006 St Louis
Show me one time a mediocre team won the World Series
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 White Sox
:)
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 27, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won 99 games that year
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I know, thus the smiley. Just a little something for any Sox lurkers around here. ;)
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 27, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were the Wild Card sure
but they had more wins in the regular season than the cubs, and one of the all time great playoff pitchers.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is
do the trades make the Cards better than they were before the trades? The answer to that is yes, so they are good trades. They have a chance to make the playoffs this year, so they did what they had to do to increase their chances of winning now.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 27, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again...
the Cards have a fairly good track record of re-signing their traded for players. McGwire, Mulder, Isringhausen come to mind. And after reading that list I wonder if Tony LaRussa snuck into the GMs office a few days after getting hired and switched all the speed dial numbers to the A’s and nobody’s caught on yet. The DeRosa trade was a fluke because the Indians probably called them.
by CubFan81 on Jul 27, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cardinals are going to sign both DeRosa and Holliday
They need to prove to Pujols that they are dedicated to winning now and in the foreseeable future. Since they traded away all their prospects , they’ll need to do something to keep Pujols happy and eager to sign a contract at a hometown discount. So they are going to do their best to put a team around him now.
Or, on the other side of the coin, maybe the organization knows its not going to be able to re-sign Pujols and so they might as well “go all in,” so to speak, and trade away top prospects who aren’t going to contribute this year and maybe not next.
Perhaps its a combination of both?
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by DTJchris on Jul 27, 2009 12:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the Pujols factor being an issue here.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let them go ahead and resign DeRosa
he is bound to regress at this age.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jul 27, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the organization knows its not going to be able to re-sign Pujols
how about that mixed with him coming to the north side
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 27, 2009 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be one way for the Ricketts family to make a statement
This would show they are dedicated to this organization and are going to get, perhaps, one of the top 10 players all-time to prove it. It would be perfect timing for Ricketts.
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by DTJchris on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have the worst system in baseball
Even after these two stupid trades (actually DeRoa was pretty smart, Holiday was awful), the Cardinals still have a better farm than the Cubs.
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the basis for your remarks?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by tville on Jul 27, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah houston wants to talk to you
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva
is actally a very sharp poster a few other blogs.
But yeah the Astros farm over the Cubs? I don’t think so.
Further guys like Sickels and Baseball American chronically undervalue the Cubs system. We may not have sexy “17th best in baseball” type rankings to our prospects but generally the last few years we have seen the farm provide role players and starters alike. This year is a perfect example. Nobody was talking about Randy Wells yet he has stepped right in and been fantastic while other much heralded prospects haven’t done the same.
The Cubs farm has been picked on for years yet Theriot, Marmol, Soto, Marshall, Wells, Guzman and Fox are all products of our system and have all contributed to our recent run of titles. Thats the real point of a farm system not to win the blue ribbon in the John Sickels county fair.
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Did somebody hack into your account? Your posts are usually better than this obvious attempt at trolling. Name one player in the Cards’ system that’s better than Vitters, Jackson, Cashner.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 27, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson and Cashner are relievers
Which inherently depresses their value as prospects. As for Vitters, he is struggling a little in A+ this year and doesn’t have a big power ceiling. I would say Daryl Jones is comparable to him.
The Cardinals recently drafted Shelby Miller, who has a lot of upside to be an ace starter. And they have Wagner Mateo, Peter Kozma and Mitchell Boggs who is a major league ready starter.
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
were Motte, Perez and Todd but you guys were nuts over them.
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No we weren't
In fact, we traded two of them to get DeRosa… hmmm.
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people seem
pretty upset over losing Todd
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/7/26/963760/jess-todd-is-the-ptbnl-in-the
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a pretty expensive PBTNL
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
miller has nothing but upside seeing as he hasn’t proven anything yet
Mateo is 16 years old, Kozma isn’t anything special and Mitchell Boggs might turn out as good as a Sean Marshall type of pitcher
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are all solid prospects
Who else do the Cubs have besides the relievers in the DeRosa trade and Vitters?
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see
Starlin Castro,
John Gaub,
Jay Jackson
Chris Archer
Cashner
Hak-Ju Lee
Chris Carpenter
Ryan Searle
all of those guys are just as interesting as Pete Kozma or Mitchell Boggs
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
Kevin Hart is = to Boggs imo
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and isn't
Kozma really struggling in AA? Like under a .600 OPS struggling?
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Lou will use Hart
and TLR refuses to use Boggs(over Wellemeyer), and Lou doesn’t trust kids.
Right now, I don’t care what any naysayers carp about the Cubs system. I just ran some numbers on their 2008 draft class. We have 30 players from that draft who have stats this season alone. That excludes international signings. The class includes:
Andrew Cashner, Ryan Flaherty, Chris Carpenter, Jay Jackson, Josh Harrison, Tony Campana, Logan Watkins, Dan McDaniel, Casey Coleman, Jeff Beliveau, Aaron Shafer, and Michael Brenly. All are putting up very decent statlines. That’s all from one class. I feel great about the system.
Oh, and Brett Jackson and DJ Lamahieu are signed, sealed, and producing.
by tim815 on Jul 27, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes Jackson a reliever?
He’s been pitching full time for what, two years? He’s been dominating his starts for the most part, and as he goes along he will start to pitch longer into games.
Cashner should be a reliever, though the Cubs don’t seem to know that. I think Cashner would be really close to the majors if he was a closer/setup prospect rather then trying to make him a starter.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not like
Jackson doesn’t have a third pitch. I haven’t heard anything about a limited repetoire forcing him into the bullpen. You could make that case for Cashner, but there’s little doubt about Jackson staying the rotation.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holiday was awful
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually… I kinda like Holliday
uhh
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worst is the Astros.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 27, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
true
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, they’re looking much better with Lyles, Castro, Seaton and Mier all looking really good this year.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on Jul 27, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards will re-sign Matt Holliday
Holliday has been popping off how he has landed in baseball nirvana in St. Louis and would like to spend the remainder of his career hitting next to Albert Pujols. They’ll get a deal done this winter.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 27, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I too, think they will,
but what do you expect him to say? “Alberts sucks, the cityi s a dump, and I’m leaving at the end of the season.”
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jul 27, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis very rarely loses players to free agency that they otherwise would like to keep
I look for Holliday to sign a long-term deal to stay in St. Louis. Especially when you layer on top the fact that they gave up a steep price to acquire him.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But can they afford his asking price
knowing that Pujols is up for an extension soon? Remember he turned down $89 million from the Rockies. With an open market that includes the Yankees (who need an OF after this season) the Cards are going to have to pay a lot of money to keep him.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current Cards ownership..........
……….has shown a penchant for maximum cheapness. I don’t see them inking Pujols AND Holliday to long-term deals, unless the “hometown discounts” reach a remarkably new low.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by tville on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't see Holliday taking a "hometown discount" just to stay in St. Louis,
Pujols, yes, but why would Holliday? Holliday is a Boras client, lets remember.
You’re killin’ me Smalls!
by dtc0405 on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His future is in NY
Holliday that is. They can and probably will offer him the 90 million dollars he wants. YES Network money goes a long way.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm worried about it.
I agree with tville (above). Current management has been cheap. I’m not sure they’re aiming to sign Holliday. They may have full intentions of just renting him for the rest of the season.
I guess it may make SOME difference how the Cards do from here till the end of the season. Albert needs to return to form and Ludwick and Ankiel need to stay hot and get hot (respectively).
It could also be that Albert starts to fade and Holliday would become his replacement.
For now, I’m pretty happy with the recent moves. If we could just get a couple hot dogs and a few beers for Wellemeyer I’d be a little happier.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Jul 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forget
they lost Aaron Miles.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 27, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won't be able to afford him
The Yankees need a left feilder next year, as do the Mets, and Boras is Holliday’s agent.
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the free agency market for 2010 is incredibly bleak
I was looking over the list and Xavier Nady looked like one of the best players a team could sign.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 27, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the point that the 2010 market is bleak
and I can’t see an off-season where both the Yankees and Mets sit out on the top free agent; and if they do, the Angels will have a potential LF opening, too.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
BLou! We’re in first place! WooooHOOOO!!!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 27, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has nothing to do with nirvana
he saw your prophesy that stl will win the division by 5 games at least and thought that would be fun.
by tim815 on Jul 27, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think they win this division by 5 games.
Cubs have too many fundamental flaws for me to get amped up over a nice two week stretch of victories. Beating the brains out of Washington and Cincinnati is nice, but I want to see production against good opponent.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 27, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Do you think at all before posting? Seriously
If you did, then you’d know that the Cubs and Cards have played both the Reds and Nationals the exact same number of times this year. And to top it off, the Cubs will have the EASIER schedule the rest of the way which means they played a tougher schedule so far. They have 9 games against the Pirates (6 for the Cards), 6 games against the Reds (6 Cards), 6 against the Mets (2), 3 with the Padres & Nats (4, 3).
The Cards have to play both the Astros and Dodgers more than the Cubs. Both teams play the Brewers, Rockies and Marlins about the same number of times. The only differences in their schedules with contending teams are that the Cards play Atlanta in a series and we play the Giants and Phillies.
Add all that up Sparky. Even your feeble brain can deduce the obvious.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 27, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
we play the Mets 6 times while the Cardinals play them twice…hmmm something tells me that the Mets will have their hitters back by then. And he is saying he wants to see us win a series against a good team….since we have lost the series we played against Philly and tied the last series with the Cards and also split the Dodgers series a while back.
by HardForharden on Jul 27, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast on the Mets
They are fading fast and probably won’t rush their hitters back into action. Besides, Reyes is going to need at least 10-14 days from now and his main attack is his speed. Since he is having problems running and the Mets are out of the playoff picture, he won’t be tearing up the basepaths.
Carlos Beltran does not have a timetable to return and surgery has not been ruled out. The Mets are not going to rush him to come back.
Carlos Delgado is expected back at the earliest, August 15th. I don’t think he’ll be full strength by the time we play them and yet again, they won’t rush him if they are out of the playoff picture. They will probably make a run at Matt Holliday in the off-season and ramp up for the 2010 season instead.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 games? Wow. Really?
The Cubs are ahead in the loss column, and have 5 more games to play than the Cards. We control our destiny…. from the driver’s seat.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards got swept by Houston
It’s just a blip on the radar when something like that happens to the Cards right? No fundamental flaws there!
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 27, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, if we didn't trade DeRosa
The Cardinals would still have a pretty solid farm system. Now they don’t. This is very interesting….
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on Jul 27, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is an interesting way to look at it
I’m not sure if they went from pretty solid to solid with two players, but the bullpen this year and for the near future is not getting new reinforcements that’s for sure. Are you also making the argument that maybe without the DeRosa trade, they don’t trade Wallace? That’s an interesting idea and quite possible too.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Cards have decent pen options
especially from the right side. They have almost a dozen guys in the pen they can use in a pinch. As far as starting pitchers, their main hope (Shelby Miller) is still unsigned. They have an outfielder ready who may start next to Rasmus and whoever next year. They have a shortstop and catcher who may be good to go in 2010. But that’s about it for short term re-inforcements.
by tim815 on Jul 27, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's point out that the Cardinals system
just graduated one of the top 3 prospects in baseball in Colby Rasmus, who’s playing very well for his age.
I do agree that the Cubs’ system is getting underrated, though, because they are now consistently producing talent that helps the ML club out of guys who scouts are not excited about – Randy Wells is the most recent example.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Sullivan
has now changed the quote from “I” to “we”
What a shocker huh?
by CalCalender on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jess Todd
I thought Todd was the Cardinals closer of the future. He was having a great year in Memphis with 25 saves. Ryan Franklin is having a good season, but I don’t think he is the long-term answer for St. Louis in the closer role. Todd still has work to do in Columbus, but he will eventually be the closer in Cleveland.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
chris perez
was also supposed to fill that role
by HardForharden on Jul 29, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd
is a pretty good ptbnl but we all knew he was going to be the choice anyhow. It was rumoured that the big names on the list were Todd and Francisco Samuel (AA closer who’s struggled for control this year), so it always looked likely.
I don’t think this is a bad haul to give up for DeRosa – relievers are pretty fungible commodities and we get compensation picks for DeRo at the end of the year – realistically, he’s a type B with a chance at type A status. You can draft guys like Perez (college closers with no starting credentials but a good shot at making it in the bigs as relievers) quite easily in the late 1st round or supplemental picks, so we should be able to replace him quite easily with the pick(s) we get.
So it’s basically Todd for 2.5 months of DeRosa. Given he’s playing instead of replacement-level guys, he’s probably added 2 wins to the Cardinals. I don’t think it’s a bad trade in a contending year. Todd still has some question marks about his stuff, and whether he’s a SP or a RP.
The Holliday move is the one that’s got most of us pissed off – we probably should’ve been able to get that sort of production cheaper. A lot of us would’ve prefered to give up Wallace for someone cheap and signed long-term, like Josh Willingham.
FWIW, I still think the Cards’ system is marginally ahead of the Cubs. We should restock considerably next year as we have 3-4 type As and 2-3 Type Bs, so we’ll probably be picking about 8 times in the top 100 picks of the draft. The Brewers probably trump us both simply by having Gamel and Escobar.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2009 5:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'll take issue with this.
i think organizations are valued in a silly fashion. i’m trying to think of a better way. an organization isn’t all about superstar threats. pujols was (to me, at least) a huge surprise. yeah, he was supposed to be good, but he matured at the right time. a good organization can reach to the minors and grab something useful when needed. for awhile, the redbirds would get a guy hurt and bring up bo hart who was sweltering for a few months. they have always been able to snap their fingers and summon an outfielder. not necessarily a star, but someone productive. when the braves owned the NL, they had a steady supply of cheap, usable infielders, and they always seemed to have a homegrown fifth starter that was ‘good enough.’
of course, the yankees and bosox have been ridiculous recently (moreso boston, hence their current dominance) at bringing up a guy for an injured starter. and a year later, the starter is no longer needed.
do you see the brewers having a steady pipeline of players to replace guys who get hurt or dealt? escobar should be good, but they have no pitching on the way. you guys have pitchers, but most are righty relievers. the cubs best threats are two years away, but they’ll be arriving soon. nobody in the division has braves/yankees circa late 90’s depth. or present day red sox. but in a cost controlled age, having guys you can ‘plug in and watch’ is getting very important.
even our board experts were surprised by randy wells, bobby scales, sam fuld, and andres blanco. they throw to the right base, don’t embarrass themselves, and randy wells can even hit. we might even have some tough calls when it comes to the 40 man roster. the trades made by st. louis may turn out well. they may explode in your face. but i don’t think the yankees ever considered dealing jeter or posada plus for a player like derosa or holliday. both moves smacked of desparation.
in no limit texas hold ‘em, you can push ’all in’ with a 7-J unsuited if you want. you may even win the hand. but you could easily get burned. we’ll see you in september.
by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have my hopes set on all your extra draft picks.
I was counting on that happening for the Cubs this past year, but then we didn’t offer arb to Wood or Howry and re-signed Dempster. The economic conditions will play into it some, as to who gets offered arb, but I expect that Cardinals may re-sign at least one of their potentially departing free agents.
I wonder if it’s TLR who’s to blame for Holliday. Lots of reports that he really wanted Holliday and I wonder if there’s fears that if TLR walks saying the team doesn’t want to win that will have a big impact on Albert and his view of the Cards long-term. If trading for Holliday leads to a long-term contract for Albert, I’d consider that a win for you guys.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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