Pete Rose To Be Reinstated?

Pete Rose belongs in the HOF.

Although I’m wondering, in the pantheon of cheaters, where does betting on the game rank compared to using PEDs?

Reinstate Joe Jackson before Rose.

Being from Johnny Bench’s hometown, The Big Red Machine is a part of me. I love Pete Rose the player and think he deserves a Hall nod. For him to get this chance he should have to go on public television and apologize along with explaining why he lied for all those years.

Is he gonna put an asterisk next to Pete Rose and his corked bats?
Is he gonna put an asterisk next to Gaylord Perry, Don Sutton, Joe Niekro, or Whitey Ford, etc for greasing the ball?

There is a huge poster on the clubhouse of every MLB and MiLB stadium that talks about gambling. (You can read it at Lou Malnotti’s in Lincolnwood.) He knew the rule, the penalty and he went ahead and did it, anyway.

Joe Jackson, Buck Weaver, et al were never convicted of anything, yet they are out. Rose admitted it after years of denial and a damning report. Where’s the justice?

No way.

then no, and maybe not even then.

Of all the rules you don’t break, gambling is the ONE rule you DON’T break.

I’d sooner see the Hall burned to the ground than for Pete Rose’s plaque to soil those walls.

that Pete Rose should be allowed to be voted on for the HOF but still needs to banned from actually being reinstated. He broke the Cardinal Rule, you don’t bet.

Selig offered him a deal similar to this once but Rose wouldn’t take it. He wants all or nothing. He still believes that he should be able to manage or coach, even if a team would hire him, it is my belief that he has lost that priviledge.

Is Pete Rose, the baseball player, a HOF? Without a doubt and he should have a plaque in Cooperstown. Is Pete Rose, the person HOF? His plaques should read “Banned for Life for betting on Baseball”

The Hall is for THE BEST players, and he was certainly one of them.

NO !! First he denys the allegations of the Dowd report for decades. Then the skunk tries to make millions by writing a novel admitting to Dowd’s accusations. The Skunk violated the most sacred of baseball rules. He has blemished the game; rang a bell that can not be unrung so to speak. Morgan and Robinson are merely former teammates stumping for their disgraceful pal, just as Mike Schmidt did a few years ago by refusin g to cast a veterans committee vote. Rose should stay out forever. Selig is nothing more than a corrupt use car salesman whose own integrity is highly suspect. IMO, if he reinstates Rose, it is time for a new commissioner. Rose was a great player, but his actions are unforgiveable.

As a player he deserves to make it. Once you let Pete in, Joe Jackson gets to go in too, so do all the PED users.

If he had come out originally, admitted this, and showed that he was genuinely sorry and needed help, he’d more than likely be in the HOF today.

His cluelessness and arrogance are what tripped him up and, I believe, will continue to bar him from the hall.

also, Hank Aaron notwithstanding, I can’t believe the majority of HOF alumni have a lot of use for Rose, particularly his insistence on showing up in Cooperstown each induction weekend to make money off of his autograph.

Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He doesn’t deserve to ever see himself there.

He is still acknowledged as the all-time hits leader, he is still one of the greatest players of all time. No one is taking that away.

But he broke baseball’s most important rule – he is banished – that is the price he has to pay

is positioning this as a first step to softening the overall stance for the PED crowd. I don’t trust Selig, and doubt he would do this without some other ulterior motive.

He deserves to be in the HOF because of his accomplishments, but he shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy or capitalize on the honor.

lol, just saying

Let me know when a Mr. Ronald Edward Santo is elected.

I’d be surprised if anything new happens.

            First and foremost he deserves it as a player. Also by all reports he only bet on the Reds to win. That is stated in the Dowd report. With how competitive Pete Rose was do you really think he would throw in the towel. This is the guy I mind you that ruined a catchers career because Rose plowed him over in an ALL STAR GAME. Rose was one of the most competitive ball players ever. I think his huge competitive drive probably led to his gambling addiction. After retiring and not playing the game I bet there was a huge void for that competitive drive and adrenaline he so much enjoyed.

      He got into managing to try to fill that void like so many athletes do. Ultimately it was not enough and it led to gambling. Pete Rose was so competitive and loved the adrenaline that came with competing and he looked for a way to get that back in his life as a manager. Gambling on his Reds to win probably fueled that competitive spirit and brought back that adrenaline he missed so much. And eventually it turned into a sickness and probably an addiction. People as competitive as Rose think they can never lose and getting into gambling is one of the worst things that can happen to them. They love the adrenaline and the action and believe they can never lose. That same attitude is what makes them legendary athletes.

    Take for instance Charles Barkely and our own beloved Michael Jordan, they literally cannot control themselves. And I have hard time believing someone with that competitive drive would ever bet on his team to lose on purpose. and there has never been any evidence to that effect. Even Dowd stated he could never find any evidence Rose bet against his Reds or why he played.

  Rose gambling was awful, no way of getting around that. But from all the evidence it only occurred why he was a manager. He should have been suspended for life as a MANAGER only. NEVER allowed to manage again. However I think there should be a distinction between his managerial career and his playing career. Ban him from baseball for life as a manger. Let him into the Hall of fame and celebrate him as THE GREAT PLAYER HE WAS. His gambling as a manager was awful but I do not equate it to the black sox who bet against themselves. Pete Rose as a player should be in the hall of fame. Pete rose as Manager should never be let near a team or the hall of fame.
 
  And lastly there are quote or unquote cheaters in the hall of fame for a variety of reasons. many of them who used PEDs —amphetamines are technically considered PEDs. Plenty of pitchers are in there who doctored baseballs. and I bet people are in the hall of fame who cheated and nobody knows about. Probably steroid user or two in the hall of fame. I think it is impossible to have the writers decipher between levels of cheating. And that is basically what they do and a lot of it comes down to their personal beliefs. Rose as a player deserves to be put in to the hall of fame. Baseball and its writers need to get off their high horses because they come off as big hypocrites.

I don’t think Rose should ever be allowed to coach or manage again in professional baseball. I believe the Veteran’s Committee should be allowed to vote Rose into the Hall of Fame. However, I don’t think that the Veteran’s Committee would do that. I merely think that Rose should be on its ballot. I wouldn’t have a problem with Rose being allowed to be a pro baseball scout or color commentator, but he should never be in a decision-making capacity again as a manager or coach on the field.

DowdReport.com and read the complete report compiled nearly 20 years ago (be warned, it’s 225 pages).

The evidence against Pete Rose is damning. And before all the PED scandals, gambling was the one rule the every professional baseball knew not to break. While Pete Rose may or may not have gambled during his playing days, he certainly bet on baseball games (among other sporting events), compromising the integrity of baseball far beyond what any steroid user has done, IMO.

I don’t see why he should be allowed into the Baseball Hall of Fame just because a bunch of his former teammates got into Bud Selig’s ear during the Hall of Fame weekend.

In the not too distant future, we will have the both the Home Run and Hits leader not in the HOF. Neither men were saints. Neither men are what you would call “Role Models”. If you look at the players that are in HOF, you will notice that thse guys weren’t exactly “Role Models” either.

Time covers many imperfections.

What the players did on the field make them HOF worthy. What they did off the field make them scumbags. Like them or Hate them, their numbers are just that numbers. That is the standard in which they should be judged.

Their cases are two separate issues and shouldn’t be linked so…

1. I’m fine with him being reinstated. Pete Rose is a sleazeball but it’s time put the issue of his eligibility to rest. However, “reinstatement” and “election to the HoF” are not the same thing. If reinstated, he probably won’t breeze into the Hall as so many comments seem to assume. Still, the Hall of Fame has elected a number of a very unpleasant persons over the years and keeping out Rose, because his personality is so off-putting, strikes me as being a double-standard.

2. Joe Jackson was complicit in the fixing of a World Series. Calls for his reinstatement are based more on the sentimental portrayal of him in contemporary culture, especially ‘Field of Dreams’ which, I must note, is a work of fiction. Jackson admitted under oath that he received $5,000, out of a promised $20k, to fix the series. He also insisted that he had never actually played beneath his abilities. He was not convicted of any crime because the confessions mysteriously “disappeared” during his trial, only to conveniently reappear when Happy Felsch sued for reinstatement a few years later. Jackson committed a crime, a serious one, and only avoided conviction because someone blatantly tampered with the evidence.

We feel sorry for Jackson because he was stupid, because he got ripped off by a combination Chick Gandil (who pocketed most of the money) and Rothstein’s operatives. We look at his illiteracy and his insistance that he performed at his best to justify overlooking what he actually did – he willingly took a substantial sum of money in order to ensure that his team lost the World Series on purpose. By taking the money, even if he felt bad about doing so, Jackson facilitated the fix, even if he himself didn’t intentionally drop any flyballs.

The argument that Buck Weaver should be posthumously reinstated carries some weight because he clearly did not help in fixing the Series and took no money to either do so or cover up the actions of the other seven players. Those other seven guys did something that undermined the fundamental integrity of the very sport, as their actions made those World Series games a choreographed farce rather than a competition. If one of the two teams on the field is not attempting to win the game, is losing on purpose, then the entire game becomes something less than a sport…it becomes mere entertainment, not unlike professional wrestling.

The fixing of a World Series is much, much worse than a modern player using PEDs. The steroid user is trying to gain advantage, trying to increase his chances of winning the game. The many players that took amphetamines over the past four decades were doing the same thing – abusing a prescription drug to try to gain a competitive advantage. Both actions are shameful but the games themselves were still played honestly, with both teams trying to win. The Black Sox (perhaps excluding Weaver) did something entirely different – they lost on purpose, and they received money for either doing or helping to facilitate the scheme. They committed fraud and they would have, and should have, gone to prison for it but for the ancillary crime of evidence tampering.

I see no reason to reinstate players that compromised the competitive nature of the sport itself, and committed felonies in doing so. I feel bad for Joe Jackson, as a number of different men preyed upon his naivete at various times. But that sympathy doesn’t excuse the fact that he was a grown man and that he what he was doing – frankly, Joe Jackson was lucky he was only banned from baseball because he should’ve gone to jail.

…are forgetting is that Rose admitted to and apologized for his behavior. John Dowd had insufficient evidence to conclude that Rose had bet against his own team and never officially declared that Rose had indeed bet against his team.

Rose was probably the most competitive baseball player since Ty Cobb( you could probably ask Ray Fosse about that ) and I find it hard to imagine a man with such a competitive nature betting against his own team.

At this point in his life what more does he have to do. Rose belongs in the Hall. PERIOD!

Does the rule apply only to baseball? I believe the intent of the no gambling rule was to prevent the players/managers from becoming indebted to the wrong kind of people. Even if they didn’t bet on a game they could either throw a game or have inside information that could influence the results.

about stats. It is not affiliated with MLB. MLB owners and execs have no power at the HOF. If we can visit the WW2 exhibit about Nazi Germany as a local museum, why is it looked at so much different about a person who gambled? How about the fact we many of us have visited museums to learn and “honor” exhibits that are not in support of the “good” alone?

To be fair, if we continue to deny Rose from the HOF (along with future players who used or were presumed as users of PED’s) does this mean that anyone who was dirty (gamble, alcohol, drugs, or just a plain jerk) should be removed from the HOF ASAP to preserve the "nice guy" image?

Reinstate his ability to go to a game, sure. This does not mean ANYONE in MLB will hire him, except maybe as a TV/Radio analyst (I would assume).

As I said here

The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is an independent, non-profit educational institution dedicated to fostering an appreciation of the historical development of baseball and its impact on our culture by collecting, preserving, exhibiting and interpreting its collections for a global audience as well as honoring those who have made outstanding contributions to our national pastime.

We have cheats in the HOF now. Spit Ball, Greenies, Roids, Gambling, Hookers…that is what baseball’s past is, so lets move on now. You use the HOF, a museum, to teach about the history of baseball, not to teach about being a Boy Scout. It is the BASEBALL HALL OF FAME, not the HALL OF NICE GUY AWARDS.

Pete Rose the man is not part of the HOF

Is not just the crime but the punishment. You do not have to remove anyone who has cheated in the game You do not have to deny entry into the HOF based on cheating. If any member eligible for election has payed their debt to MLB and their fans then they can be forgiven. The point many on this thread are saying is that the time has come for Rose to show some contrition and then the fans (and the Hall) can show some compassion.

Michael Vick has been reinstated to the NFL.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4359354&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4359354

I presume he would be eligible for induction into the NFL HOF.

A pain in the anoose ever since I started following baseball in the early 60’s. Let him in, just as long as I don’t have to look at his f&ck face anymore.