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Soriano's Walkoff Slam In 13th Gives Cubs 5-1 Win, Fifth In Row

Now that was worth the price of admission!

After the Cubs and Astros had played 12-plus innings, scoring only one run each on long home runs by each team's Lee (Carlos, off the batter's eye in CF; Derrek, to Waveland Avenue), and getting strong relief pitching, Alfonso Soriano said, "Enough", and even though a base hit or medium-deep fly ball would have ended the game, Sori hit Chris Sampson's second pitch to almost the same spot Carlos Lee's ball had landed in the second inning, giving Houston a 1-0 lead at the time.

The 5-1 Cubs win over the Astros was their fifth in a row, matching the season-high winning streak, and also matched the high-water mark of the season, seven games over .500. It made the home record 31-18, which is now creeping up on the great home start the Cubs had in 2008; after 49 home games last year, the record was 36-13.

And in between the two solo homers and the grand slam, there was outstanding pitching on both sides -- although sixteen walks were issued among the eleven pitchers who took the mound last night, five of them intentional. The bullpens for both teams did a terrific job, particularly Aaron Heilman (who would have guessed?), Carlos Marmol (who looked like the Marmol of old, with two called K's), and rookie Jeff Stevens, who had to be bailed out by Sean Marshall after giving up a two-out double and an intentional pass in the 11th. Stevens looked solid even while giving up a pair of extra-base hits; he struck out the side in the 10th.

Both starting pitchers were dominant last night -- apart from the homer to Carlos Lee, Carlos Zambrano nearly matched Rich Harden's gem from Sunday, allowing just four walks and a pair of harmless singles through seven innings. Had he not overextended himself a bit in the seventh inning, Lou might have left him in to throw the eighth, but at 103 pitches, Z was left in to bat for himself with the lead run on second base and two out, but he appeared a bit overanxious as he grounded into a force play on the first pitch.

Meanwhile, Wandy Rodriguez, who always gives the Cubs fits, did it again last night. Derrek Lee solved him for his long home run onto Waveland -- and if you follow ballhawk's tweets, you know that he just missed the ball; it bounced down Kenmore where "Jr. Ballhawk Mikey" came up with it. Apart from that, Rodriguez allowed only one fly-ball out (by Ryan Theriot in the first inning), recording seven K's and 13 outs on ground balls. Both teams turned two double plays in the first six innings; had Mike Fontenot not missed on a suicide squeeze play in the last of the ninth, the game would have been over in about two and a half hours.

Star-divide

This was becoming a game for the memory books even before Soriano's slam. Ex-Cub reliever LaTroy Hawkins, who is having a good year for Houston, started jawing at home plate umpire Mike Everitt after seeing his second pitch to Aramis Ramirez in the eighth inning called a ball. He must have made some sort of obscene gesture or used "the magic word", because Everitt walked halfway to the mound and tossed Hawkins. When have you ever seen a pitcher ejected in the middle of an at-bat? I can't remember ever seeing that before. Jose Valverde entered and got A-Ram to hit into a force play, and though he loaded the bases on two unintentional walks and one intentional pass in the ninth, he got out of it on Fontenot's missed squeeze and the fly ball Fontenot hit to Michael Bourn in CF.

Things would have become interesting for the Cubs had the slam not occurred and the game had gone longer. The Cubs used their last position player, Andres Blanco, to pinch-hit for Marshall in the bottom of the 11th. The pitcher's spot was due up second had the game gone to the 14th inning; Samardzija is 0-for-3 as a major league hitter. My guess is that Rich Harden would have been the pinch-hitter, and as Lou said in his postgame remarks, Justin Berg was warming up and would have been the next pitcher. Angel Guzman and Kevin Gregg were also not used last night, so despite the length of the game, the bullpen should be in good shape today.

As I noted above, the first eight innings went very quickly -- the pace only slowing down after the ejection of Hawkins. Still, the 3:49 game time isn't that long for 13 innings; even so, about 1/3 of the 40,794 in attendance had headed home by the time Soriano won it. I'm sure we'll hear definitively later today, but before last night, the last time I can remember a Cub hitting a walkoff slam was Barry Foote on April 22, 1980, a day on which the city of Chicago set a record for the warmest April temperature ever (92 degrees) and Ivan DeJesus hit for the cycle. I'll also be interested to find out whether Soriano's homer would be the latest walkoff slam ever hit by inning.

In the meantime, the Cubs maintained their 1/2 game lead over the Cardinals, who beat the Dodgers 6-1, and also picked up a game on the Brewers, who lost to the Nationals 14-6, giving up two grand slams to Josh Willingham.

Let's keep it going tonight. The Cubs, at last, are playing the way we all hoped they would this year.

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Nice walkoff Sori!

Great to see him heating up, and DLee’s bomb was awesome… Glad I stayed up late to see the whole thing. Let’s get another one tonight!

by Fonzie2178 on Jul 28, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Soriano got booed for not running out a ground ball...

… apparently, he thought he had fouled it off his foot, but it was ruled fair.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

On TV

I thought it looked like he fouled it off too.

I think he redeemed himself :)

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

What was up with Sori pointing

over toward the Houston dugout area? Was he pointing to fans or the Houston bench?

Don’t be surprised if the Astros take those gestures the wrong way and do a little bean-ball action later in the series .

I didn’t see it live, so was just curious what actually happened.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon...

Walk-off grand slam? Cut him some slack.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with JB

Walk-off or not, Soriano’s attitude is self-righteous. He stood at home plate. Yes, the outfielders ran in, the baserunners went half way, but Soriano just stood there.

As he began his walk-off trot around the base, he pointed toward the Astros dugout (supposedly at his family).

As he rounded third base, he did the “John Cena” hand wave.

Soriano can celebrate all he wants. To me, these gestures appear arrogant.

get a big hit, look for the third base coach and get ready to run the bases, hit a home run, put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back. That’s respect.

"Believe or leave."

by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Every single team has multiple players who stare at their homers and celebrate a bit too much for some people. Get over it.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

and a lot of them get plunked the next at bat / next day.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which is the biggest load of BS

It all evens out over the course of the season. I’ll bet Carlos Lee, Lance Berkman, and Miguel Tejada have all started at their fair share of homers. Pujols does it, Braun and Fielder do it, Phillips does it for the Reds, and I’d bet if the Pirates had a player capable of homering he would stare at it too.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

braun?

stares at his homers? oh, yeah. he does.

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

With those

big googly eyes of his

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

To the posts above in this thread.

Soriano was asked about his pointing in the post game interview. He said he was pointing to his family, who were sitting there in the stands.

by Fraggin Judge on Jul 28, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez...

Admires his walk-offs and does a few hops, Lee hops after a walk-off, Kosuke has a bat flip; are we seriously going to sit here and single out Soriano and nitpick this b.s. after a huge win?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get over it? I have a right to my opinion. I think Soriano is arrogant

as are many of today’s spoiled millionaire ballplayers.

I’m rarely negative about any player, but Soriano’s attitude is deplorable. I think he is a great talent, but his actions, or lack of sometimes, annoy me.

"Believe or leave."

by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

More reason for a un-rec button.

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What do you think of

Aramis Ramirez
Ryan Braun
Prince Fielder
Albert Pujols
Brandon Phillips
Carlos Lee
Miguel Tejada
A-Rod
David Ortiz
Alexi Ramirez
Ryan Howard
Dan Uggla
Hanley Ramirez
Elijah Dukes
Nick Swisher
and many many more.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're putting too much energy into this

There’s more about Soriano’s attitude that I dislike than standing at the plate admiring long flyballs (some that don’t clear the wall, too). My dislike of him goes back before he was a Cub. He just isn’t one of my favorite players. I’m not petitioning to bench the guy. He is a very good ballplayer.

"Believe or leave."

by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

my point is that, and this is for all the people who get mad about people staring at homers, every team does it. Every single one of them. Who cares. Nobody needs to get plunked in the head, nobody needs to get into a brawl, just suck it up and get him out next time.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Len and Bob

said he was pointing to his family

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't "supposedly"...

At his family, it was at his family. They obviously don’t make it out too many games, and they were there right up front. It was a walk-off Grand Slam, jeez, obviously it’s not “old-school put your head down and run”, but that style of ball has been dead for over a decade.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree - that style of ball is dead

but it doesn’t mean the Astros won’t take offense. Teams still plunk guys and/or throw high and inside as message pitches. So I won’t be surprised if it happens in an early, low leverage situation today or tomorrow.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they take that personally

don’t walk the bases loaded to get to him.

Get annoyed if he stares down a meaningless HR in a blowout…. not a walk-off in the 13th.

by Allie on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Word. Intentional walk followed by a walk off grand slam. Totally appropriate.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 28, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was

pointing to his family. He was interviewed after the game on CSN and said his family was sitting back there

by jthack on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was pointing at the left fielder

(Worf can’t get upset; that’s from ML2)

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's really true.

People will bitch about anything.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the rest of the month!

We can talk smack on Saturday again.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Somehow I totally forgot about him.

Yeah you have that assclown closing out your games, there goes the right to plunk people.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jose is a another class act.....

…I am not encouraging a plunking of any sort, just based on his drama…. it wouldnt surprise me if it happened….

by JB 23 on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Miguel Tejada.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that Houston has the largest percentage of unlikeable players in the division.

Maybe even in the NL.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great philosophical quandary

Thanks for giving me something to do for the rest of the hour. I’ll get back to you shortly.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I look forward to your findings.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see:

Astros roster, for quick reference.

Pitchers: their starting rotation is quite unlikable. However, St. Louis’ gives it a run for its money. Piñeiro=Rodriguez. Carpenter>Oswalt. I love how Wainwright sucks, so I guess Houston comes out on top.

Fielders: Tejada and Pence are, without a shadow of a doubt, despicable. Manny is equally wretched and I have this thing for Orlando Hudson, so the Dodgers might give them a run for their money. However, Houston has Pudge and Martin is a stud, so Houston comes out on top again.

Since this is just the NL, I won’t factor the White Sox in this research, but by and large, the South Siders have the largest percentage of unlikable players.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have

LaTroy
Valverde
Tejada
Pudge
and worst of all Hunter Pence.

They are the least likeable team in the NL.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Berkman, who pretends to be mortally wounded when a high pitch hits his bat

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep him too

though all you need is a good thunderstorm to send him running.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of this information backs up my original statistics.

Thank you both.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best

by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will say, however...

… that Carlos Lee is a likeable player, always has fun at Wrigley — if the Cubs had ever signed him, he would have been a huge fan favorite.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I kinda like Carlos Lee.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

For all his Cub killing

I have no issue with Carlos Lee the person, or really the player.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I'd tend to agree with you there.

I probably shouldn’t confess this publicly, but I’ve kinda taken a liking to Wandy. He’s like the Little Engine That Could. Their reliever Arias looks pretty good, too. Otherwise, most of the players on that team either bug me or bore me.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice post Wreckard!

I believe in the expression, often used in football, “act like you’ve been there before.” that is not a comment on Soriano, but a comment on a lot of top talent in these major sports.

when you look like you are showing up the other team, nothing is gained from that, and yes, the Cubs have their share of these characters. all this unnecessary celebrating tends to show is a lack of discipline that tends to come out in other areas of the player’s game (anyone want to argue this point?)

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Act like you've been there before...

My only argument to that is, how common is a walk-off Grand Slam?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"the quiet dignity of Jose Valverde."

man that was hysterical—my dog is staring at me wondering why i’m laughing so loudly.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon

by cubfever7 on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was pointing at his family...

They were in attendance last night and sitting right to the left of home plate.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Astros might not care

Good chance he might get plunked tonight, but that was an amazing bomb he hit

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a free base to me...

… and if last nights extra innings game showed anything, that can be of value.

Plus, with Fonzie seemingly going on one of his hot streaks, they may want to consider just putting him on base anyways.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you meant after the game

His family was sitting there. He was pointing to them. Hopefully Astros know that and got over it.

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cool!

that explains it.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 28, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the..

You can’t see me gesture……

by adam316 on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's great.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, it's awesome.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jul 28, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Milton...

is once again front and center in the celebration too!

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

But i thought he was an awful teammate

and a cancer

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well after the game

he looked only somewhat happy – the jerk. Doesn’t he know that we will accept no genuine feelings from professional athletes?

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh that's right.

Even though his grin is so big there, I say we just accuse him of faking it. He’s probably waiting to step on Sori’s ankle or something and then kick a puppy.

s/

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look closely at the picture

Guzman is partially blocking it, but Bradley is actually receiving a Steve Stone twitter and that’s what’s got him so happy. He’s not paying attention to the game at all.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Guzman...

looks like one of those “Waaassssuuuppp!!!” guys from the Budweiser commercials several years ago.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

hee-hee! It DOES!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just awesome.

Favorite player of all time: Ryne Sandberg.

by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jul 28, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who do you think he was gesturing to?

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

he does it to his team mates and coaches.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

In which case, I have know idea why anyone would think it was “arrogant” since it’s obviously just a fun thing they do.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

It’s obviously a fun gesture between him and his teammates.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I will be in the minority here but I disagree.

I’m old school. Play the game with respect. Respect yourself, your teammates, the fans and your opponents. That hand motion doesn’t. It just tees you up on the “hit parade” next time at the plate. Imagine if Bob Gibson were the Astros’ starting pitcher tonight. Sori would be beaned in the on deck circle.

To put it another way, suppose I were a fan of Michael Jackson. I hit a walk off GS and on my way between second and third, I grab my crotch and yell “Whoo!” as a “fun” way to celebrate my home run with my teammates and family and also pay homage to my favorite singer.

Is that action disrespectful? Is it different than the “hand wave”?

To me, it is not.

As I said, I’m in the minority on this one, I know. But it cheapens the game.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Bob Gibson played today

He would be ejected in the second inning of all his starts.

The game has changed, for better or worse. If somebody wanted to moonwalk to home thats fine with me, because every team does it.

Its one thing if we are talking about something that only one person in the whole sport does, but a good percentage of players showboat a little.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be amazing to see...

Someone moonwalk home.

That said, game changed or not, I’d order hit him every single following at-bat. But it’d be pretty spectacular to see someone do it. :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I understand the "everyone does it" argument. But it doesn't make it right.

As a parent, I don’t tolerate it when my teenagers say it- and as a sports fan I don’t buy it either. Again, just my bias.

And doing things the right way has to start with someone. Someone has to be the grown-up.

But I fear you are correct- those days are gone in professional sports.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zeke, I'm old school, too

You and I are standing on thin ice here. Run. I hear the ice cracking beneath us.

BTW, I worshiped Bob Gibson as a kid. My kinda pitcher.

"Believe or leave."

by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gibson, Jenkins, etc. respected the game.

Too bad there are so few players now that do.

Gotta run, the ice is starting to break ;)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respect the old school...

But times have changed, rules (written and unwritten) have changed, resistance is futile.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um...

… one of those involves waving a hand in front of one’s face.

The other involves crotch grabbing.

Yes, they are different. And yes, one is more disrespectful than the other. I think my mom, the FCC, and everybody else would agree.

Metaphor FAIL.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

FAIL? Well, it's open to one's interpretation. I don't represent myself as speaking for everyone else.

I understand your perspective. I just disagree with it. Fair enough.

As I said, my opinion is in the minority.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

In general, i agree with your sentiment.

I’d like to see less boisterous behavior from the players.

I just don’t think you can compare waving a hand around and grabbing one’s crotch as being equally offensive / annoying / inappropriate.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you can

Obviously not you specifically, but I’m betting that for a sizable segment of the population, the difference between those two gestures is negligible. That could be negligible as in they’re both no big deal or as in they’re both offensive.

Baseball fans who grew up idolizing Michael Jackson probably think nothing of a little crotch-grab w/ gyration. Not sure what the FCC has to do with it. Hell, baseball players have been grabbing their crotches probably since the first time ol’ Abner slid head first into second.

As for the hand wave, it’s not so much the action as what it represents. And maybe to WWE haters and/or today’s youth, that could represent something quite offensive. I mean, extending one’s middle finger is no big physical feat is it? But what it represents certainly changes things.

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The hand waving...

… means nothing to 95% of the world, and would confuse those who don’t follow the WWE or Soriano well enough to know what it stands for. My mom would probably assume he was playing peek-a-boo or something. Its harmless.

The crotch grab is an overt show of sexuality when done as we described.

The middle finger has its own implications as well obviously.

The latter two are more offensive to most of the rest of the world than the first, which is why one is allowed by MLB (and is allowed to be broadcast by the FCC) while the other two would likely result in disciplinary action.

There are levels here, no matter what you personally find offensive. Look at the NFL’s touchdown celebration rules… dance by yourself, cool… as a team, the flag is thrown. No props, and leave your helmet on. No using your hand to slash your throat. On and on and on.

Go to a public area and wave your hand around and gauge the reaction. Then try grabbing your crotch. Then tell me they are equally offensive.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJS: Perhaps the crotch grab was a less than great analogy on my part. It's detracting from my overall point.

Ultimately my point was that these acts where players are trying to draw additional attention to themselves or whatever athletic act they just performed
(jersey popping in basketball after a dunk for example) disrespect the game and the opponent.

I understand they are theater. I just don’t care for them. It lacks class.

…and with WGN’s endless promos of WWE, that 95% “non” recognition of the meaning of the gesture number is dropping fast…and I think MLB players DO know what the gesture means- if they don’t, they’ll find out from a teammate pretty quickly.

I will say this, it’s been an interesting discussion this afternoon and I appreciate that we’ve been able to do it in a mature manner. It’s not always the case as I sometimes see on BCB. Fortunately, I think those heated “you don’t agree with me, so you’re a dumb ass” debates are the exception MOST of the time ;)

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Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

To you and me, obviously not.

I just take slight issue with what I perceive to be your intent to speak for everyone and to know what everyone finds offensive, that’s all.

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me? BH, I was speaking for only me. No one else...

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by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope, not you.

my post was in reply to AJS. Check the threading – it can be misleading once things get indented a bit.

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

got it.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

To Zeke...

… i agree, the crotch grab point did distract from the overall issue, with which i agree with you: the showboating in general is too much. The difference between a T.O. “HOF Jacket” stunt and a Sori hand wave is big, but neither is really necessary. I do believe it’d be hard for me to resist celebrating to at least hand waving levels if i’d have just put up a walkoff granny.

And to BallHawk… i’m not trying to speak for everyone, but i do believe my opinion is widely held. In most places in our society a Sori hand wave would be ok, and a crotch grab would raise some eyebrows.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK. I understand. It WAS an exciting moment, to be sure...

I’m off my grumpy old man soapbox for the night.

HEY YOU KIDS! GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everytime someone talks about "old school" players not taking showboating

It just makes me think they were thin-skinned and weak.

“He looked happy after hitting a grand slam, and that hurts my feelings. I’m gonna hit him with a ball, which if it hits him in the wrong spot on his body could end his career!”

Now, WHO doesn’t respect the game?!

by Mike Martin on Jul 28, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I said above, we'll just have to disagree on this one.

No biggie. Just my opinion.

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Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I somewhat agree with that...

But I’m sure I’m not the only one annoyed by the way the Brewers untuck their shirts just before hitting home on their walk-offs….and that’s just "obviously a fun thing they do [for each other].

I can’t speak for anyone else, but my feelings on this stuff are somewhat inconsistent. I try not to let the other teams annoy me, but I don’t always succeed. It’s just part of being a fan, maybe.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And in the same non existant rule book

is the line that says, enjoy you accomplishments but don’t show-up a guy that is throwing a ball at you around 90 MPH’s.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need John Cena on standby

So when moments like these happen, he can run out on the field, stand next to Soriano, and they can both proudly do the “You can’t see me.” Okay, maybe not.

by adam316 on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't

I think he has every right to do it. He’s a huge WWE fan and loves John Cena. He got the biggest his in like 3 months for him. Let him do whatever he wants. It was the Cubs night.

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was just stating his opinion on the matter, I don’t think that was directed at you.

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by Devin B on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly

But it was a reply to my post.

by adam316 on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You were the only one to bring up the “can’t see me”, and since that was what he was talking about, a reply to you was the best place to put it.

I just think fighting on BCB is stupid. Thats all.

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by Devin B on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's it...I'm throwing at you next AB!

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

After Heil's good inning last night....

I can’t even make the joke that you could throw better than him. If he keeps this up I’ll need new material. :)

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sample size!

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did say IF

I’m still a member of the any one named Aaron on the Cubs sucks fanclub.

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hi, I'm Maddie, and I'm an ANAOTCS.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hi Maddie!

It’s been 4 months now and every time I see those two A’s starting a name I just know bad things are going to happen…Management told me it was not feasible to DFA everyone of them in the Chicago area to the minors, I mean it’s not like anyone would miss them, am I right?

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like this club

because its true

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Aaron Heilman Sucks Fanclub is still open for business

One good outing is not enough to deter us. We keep mum, but we still seethe.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea it wasn't geared towards you

I was just stating my opinion. Let’s move on please.

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they

get over how far up the first base line he walked after he hit the ball too.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

interview after the game

he said his family was there….he was pointing to them

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He explained that he was pointing to his family

who was at the game. He WAS NOT pointing at the Houston Dugout

by desmoCubbie on Jul 28, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Oswalt's on the mound, so it wouldn't surprise me at all.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

but if he gets thrown out.....

That’s really taxing on the over used pen from last night.

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

They won't toss him

unless he missed with the first attempt to hit Sori and then hits him with the second attempt.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, the Cubs strike first.

Hit a batter in the top of the 1st. Then Oswalt will retaliate in the bottom half. Either warnings will be issued at that point or Oswalt will be tossed.

If warnings are issued, then Oswalt cannot plunk Soriano (unless he hits him in the 1st, in which case the Cubs would have scored a run in the inning, so I’d take that) without being ejected.

Sure, it’s devious, but I’m a step ahead of Cecil Cooper and Roy Oswalt here.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not a bad idea at all . . .

Have Demp plunk Matsui (after getting Bourne out, we don’t want him on the bases that easily, he is too fast) so that both benches get warned when Oswalt retaliates in the bottom of the inning. Great plan! ;)

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.

He’s good enough to make it look like a mistake, though – or at least leave open some uncertainty. What would be nice is if he plunked Soriano (without injuring him), got a warning and then plunked someone else accidentally and got tossed. All in, say, the second inning.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

You would lose that bet.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 28, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

his family was sitting behind the houston dugout.

he wasnt show boating… the guy was pointing to his family and acknowledging them after a huge walk-off hit and a huge win… he said so right after the game in his on-field interview…. dont be so quick to jump the gun on the guy and say he’s arrogant for being excited about a freaking walk-off grand slam…

by ThisIsResolute on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

He stood there watching it go

Even beyond pointing to his family or the slow trot, it was the 10 seconds of watching the ball leave and the flip of the bat. What was that? Just making sure that the ball left before he wasted all the engery by trotting around the bases? He want to make his bat got back to the dugout ok? He was showing up the other pitcher. Players have got plunked for less.

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by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but the ball was crushed.

The Astros were practically back at their hotel by the time it hit the roof of the restaurant in centerfield. It was also the 13th inning – eveyrone was exhausted and glad the game was over. There was no reason to rush around the bases.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I agree, to a point

A slow jog around the bases; no big deal.

Giving props to your loved ones; wonderful.

Standing in the batter box and posing; maybe not too good of an idea.

Flipping your bat with the look of disgust for the pitch even trying to bring that weak crap into your wheel house; the set-up for a message.

Getting inside heat aimed at your hip to let you know that maybe you should be gracious in victory; PRICELESS!

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Screw gracious.

I’m glad to see this team finally show swagger. I’ll take the theatrics every time there is a walk-off grand slam in the bottom of the 12th.

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I am from the old school also, however last night, Sori’s family in the house, he has had a horrible game to that point, he jacks the game winner and watches it go, and then points to his FAMILY, good for him.
 Jeez this team has been struggling with bad play, and the DL, have some fun.

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by Grockcubs on Jul 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's only because of inertia

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or lack thereof.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It takes him

that long to get his body to change directions. He isn’t actually watching the home run, what we see is the slow weight transfer from his back leg to his front so that he can start to first base.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by daver on Jul 29, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I forgot about that, my friend (Card’s Fan) mentioned that he got boo’d and I couldn’t remember why.

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great Win, Great Game

Every time games like these happen, Al, I get so jealous as to how fortunate you are to be able to attend with the regularity that you do.

Let’s go get em again!

Go Cubs. Oh, and Sori’s slam didn’t surprise me. We needed our obligatory 5 runs for the evening. :)

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by heine41 on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm so happy to see this post

after 200 bazillion posts about celebrate/not plunk/not that I’m rec’ing it.

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by slcathena on Jul 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

bunting

I’m happy for the win, but it would be nice if Fonty and most of the rest of the Cubs knew how to do something they should have learned in high school.

by salparadise23 on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, Valverde throws REALLY hard...

Fontenot probably still should make solid contact on it, but it’s not unheard of to miss a bunt occasionally.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering....

how hard it would be to foul that off at least, though. Pretty big “fail” on his part. But you’re right: stuff happens sometimes.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

but the thing is.....

Fontenot was leaning towards first when he “squared” around, almost like he was trying for an infield hit. He should have squared his body completely. Just bad fundamentals.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that was a product of him waiting to long

It looked like he was trying to deceive the astros by waiting as long as possible, then when he realized he wasn’t going to get it out there he just kind of stuck the bat out and hoped he made contact.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he squares

its a pitch out and the same result.

by mdjohns4 on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley

the real question is what the hell was Bradley doing. He saw Fontenot miss the bunt and just game himself up instead of getting in a rundown for a second or two. it almost led to another out at third. I don’t hate bradley as much as some but that was an aweful, stupid, play.

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by RTGrules on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now, THIS time I'm going to defend Bradley.

In a suicide play, you’re pretty much dead meat if the batter misses the ball. That wasn’t Bradley’s fault and there was no time to get in a rundown.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

it’s a real reach to blame Bradley on that play. He has to be charging as hard as he can for the plate and just hope that Fontenot makes contact. If he’s not, there’s not much he can do.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate to say it

I agree with Al, that isn’t the part I hate, that Bradley did exactly the right thing (UGH!). The play called for a sucide squeeze, the name alone should tell you right there that there is no hope if the play isn’t excuted. Fotenot bunts towards third, Bradely running home (Hoping that Fotenot bunts is hard enough on the ground to cause the catcher to go past him) and Sori is on contact to get to thrid. The only play would be to first base.

What Fotenot did is miss completely which caused Bradely to be meat on the base path and Sori was lucky not to be called out. Maybe a pitcher, well no0t Zambrano, can show Fotenot how to lay down a bunt

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by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sori?

It was Hoff that slid into 3rd if that’s what you’re referring to.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand it's hard to bunt against Valverde

But my problem is the Cubs’ lack of bunting ability as a whole; were it not for Blanco, perhaps Harden, most of the team bunts poorly and that will catch up with a team in the long run as it did last night. I wasn’t that surprised the squeeze failed although it was brilliant in my eyes and caught Houston off guard just like they hoped. Fonty sure isn’t the only one bad at bunting, he just happened to be at the plate.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me

It felt like Fontenot just tried to wait a little to long to get the bat out there. I know deception is the key, but you have to make sure the bat is out in enough time to make an adjustment to the pitch.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right

Font sacrificed execution for deception. He probably could have gotten into bunting position a little earlier to give himself a better chance of putting the bunt in play.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

MLB TV did a piece on it last night

Harold Reyonlds talked about the importances of getting square and “catching” the ball with the bat. Chicks dig the long ball but bunts can win the game.

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by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

He did what any runner’s supposed to do in that situation.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

shouldn't he have been

almost all the way home? That’s the point of a squeeze. I wonder if he was too close to reverse his momentum.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

but have you ever tried stealing home on a squeeze, wondering whether the batter noticed that a squeeze was on or if he’s going to take a full swing and decapitate you? That shouldn’t be as much of an issue on the MLB level perhaps, and they may have signals indicating that the batter understood the sign….

But it’s still disconcerting.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should probably be around 2/3 of the way...

Remember – all Bradley has to do is beat the ball from bat to fielder back to catcher. It’s not like he’s trying to steal home. You have to make sure to avoid getting picked off but be close enough that you’ll beat the relay throw.

If you’re 2/3 of the way home and the bunt is laid down, you’re almost sure to score.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought

it was a great call to put on the squeeze there. Unfortunately it failed, but any sort of contact there would have won the game for us, Huston had no clue and was caught completely by surprise.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Fox

Seemed like the obvious PH in the situation. Lou and his obsession with LH hitters.

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

not only was he the obvious choice

Lou had already lifted Hill for Fukudome, so Fox was going to have to enter the game anyway.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fontenot is quicker than Fox, so he could have had more of a chance to beat out the doble play, if it got to that.

We decided last night that that was the reason they chose him. Also, the Rodriguez was all over the squeeze… he was really looking at Bradley in between signs and we all knew (sitting behind the plate and behind Ivan) that the play was coming.

by smash! on Jul 28, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was only one out when Fontenot bunted...

So if he pops up the bunt (and its caught), Bradley would likely have been doubled up back at 3B.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, just read smash!'s post... ignore my response...

as it is not applicable. nothing to see here, carry on.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not on the squeeze, per say, but in general if he hit into a double play.

I guess it also applies to the squeeze as well though- if he laid down a bad bunt and they tried to turn 2 (home and 1st).

by smash! on Jul 28, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you've got it wrong

Fontenot was called on for the squeeze, I’m pretty sure. Think Jake Fox has ever bunted a ball in his life?

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by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut

Just thought Jake Fox could lift a fly ball to bring home Bradley. Fox seems to be one of the better contact hitters on the team.

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

?

Jake Fox struck out in 20% of his PAs…in the minors.

He’s not exactly Yadier Molina up there.

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair,

Fontenot has about the same K rate in the majors as Fox did in the minors. Not sure what the adjustment should be.

What I’m saying is Fontenot is a marginally better contact hitter who can (usually) bunt. He gives you both options.

Did he get the job done? No. Was he the right call? I think so, yes.

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually liked Fontentot's chances swinging away

at a high heat throwing guy with the infield drawn in. But the squeeze is an exciting, awesome play that usually works against fastball pitchers too. So I was happy with Fontenot over Fox whether bunting or not. He should have got the bat down quicker and stayed on his front foot, and maybe he would have been successful.

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by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about th K rate

for the both of them in the Majors this year. Fotenot has been striking out at an alarming rate this year.

by cubdreamer on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

21%

which is just a tad higher than his career rate.

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also

The Astros outfield (Lee, Pence, Bourn) have combined for 23 assists this season. If the ball isn’t sufficiently deep enough, or even if it is, there’s no guarantee a run will score.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the squeeze bunt

but Blanco would have been the best option to bunt.

by cubdreamer on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but that eliminates part of the deception, assuming Lou was planning on trying a squeeze when he sent Font up there. I think if Lou sends Blanco up in that situation, that screams squeeze play because Blanco is not as good a hitter as Font.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco locks you into a bunt, though.

A little obvious. He’s probably not going to drive a ball for a SF.

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by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they encode using H.264 for iPhone

The MLB At Bat app on iPhone is totally worth the $10. I’m sure I’ll have to buy it again next season (MLB At Bat 2010), but the video highlights, condensed game, and full audio streams (both home and away!) have made it the best app purchase I’ve made on my iPhone.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

woah

don’t know how this ended up here. Meant to reply to a lower comment.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have no idea how pissed off I was at that moment

Lou goes on and on every day about how much they want to get Jake Fox’s bat in the line-up…

Well Lou: that was the MOST OBVIOUS SITUATION TO PUT HIM IN! WTF? Seriously. Not only had you already removed your catcher from the game, but Fox absolutely mashes righties (.333). Plus, .308 with RISP. Bases loaded, one out, game on the line… and you don’t even think about using Fox? Un-friggin-beleivable. Fly ball wins the game there.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Andres Blanco

was the obvious choice, he can at least bunt, where as Fontenot can not.

by tripdenten on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

that’s the type of play that looks great when it works and terrible when it doesn’t. But all that has to happen is for Fontenot to put the ball on the ground and it’s a win for the Cubs. The squeeze play to end a game is a Tony LaRussa classic.

Great call, just bad execution by Fontenot. He has to at least foul it away from the catcher.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great call but for me,

I wouldn’t have called it against a pitcher that was struggling to find the plate………Valverde was all over the place and that makes bunting really tough. sure you have to foul it off, but that pitch was sailing wide of the plate.

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by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

This I agree with...

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

but he called it in the right situation.

he got a fastball strike to bunt. Lou made a good call it just was not executed. and I remember in 2007 fontenot squeezing someone in the 9th inning at the cell when the game was tied at 1-1. Milton left at perfect time not giving it away and if fontenot makes any contact it is ball game over. Also at the very least mike has to foul it off.

by MandMexpress12 on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was the right situation

the Astros were clueless, it would have been the perfect play if executed.

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by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about clueless

Ron was all over it, which leads me to believe it was less than a surprise.

"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "

by Villeslgr on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a high risk

high reward play to begin with. Thrown in a pitcher who is having a hard time throwing strikes and it makes it even more risky. I just don’t like the call for that reason but it certainly would have worked had fontenot made contact.

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't call a suicide squeeze with one out

I might be tempted to do it with one out, but if there are no outs and the batter misses, you still have a couple of outs to play with and leave the SF as an option to win the game. If you have one out and the batter misses with the bunt, then you have two outs in the inning and no margin for error.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 28, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was just doing his job

Fontenot on the other hand couldn’t execute it.

Thank god he didn’t pop up the pitch to cause a double play.

Imagine had they won on the squeeze though? I think Wrigley would have gone crazier than from the grand slam.

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

They almost caught Hoffpauir at 3B

So the double play was very close. Hoffpauir took a heckuva risk—he didn’t break for 3B right at the wind-up. If you catch a replay, you can see his legs and he doesn’t break until after Fontenot whiffs.

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by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was NOT Bradley's fault, not at all.

For a guy that’s easy (for me) to dislike, that was 100% on Fontenot.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree it was fontenot's fault

but watch the tape. bradley just stops. he has plenty of time to stop and back up. even for a second. it makes a huge difference. he is not a good baserunner. and he was not going full speed.
i liked the call, too. very tony larussa. it was a tough pitch though. up a little. but really bad technique on fontenot’s part. his backside bailed bad.

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by RTGrules on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder

about the technique part because the whole point is to disguise that play, so he really can’t get into ideal bunting posture/position. Maybe there is more to it than stick your bat out and hope to hit the ball, but that seems to be all a hitter can do in a squeeze situation.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone was going...

Bradley stopped, and which bought an extra second for Hoff to slide into 3rd.

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by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

But what happens then if

Hoff thinks Bradley is trying to get back to 3rd and he hesitates long enough to get himself caught in a run down too. You can also say Bradley covered the direct path to 3rd slightly delaying the throw from Pudge.

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy to type sitting at your computer the next day.

Not so easy to do when you have to think all of that in about 0.5 seconds.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

hoff is going to third no matter what

its his job to get there. major leaguers don’t mess up rundowns. the lead runner gives himself up but delays as much as possible. zero chance he is getting back to third.

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by RTGrules on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't go back...

On a suicide squeeze, you are going… it’s on the batter to do everything he can to get the bunt down; that’s why it’s such a risky play.

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by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

To clarify

I’m in agreement that Bradley did nothing wrong, nor did Hoff. Fonty just failed to execute. No need to second guess anything.

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Time to defend Bradley...

Fontenot whiffed on the bunt, blew his assignment, and left Bradley a dead duck out there. Not Bradley’s fault, how someone can even think it was is beyond me.

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by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the Bradley defense

he did a good job slowing and stopping giving Hoff enough time to get to third. Bradley’s job in that situation is to break for home plate at the right time. Fontenot’s job is the make contact with the ball. Bradley did exactly what he was supposed to do in that situation.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley has to stop to allow the catcher to approach him

so that the runner on second can advance to third. Getting into a rundown freezes the other runners between bags. The catcher knows Bradley isn’t going back to third. And the hopes of the Astros flubbing the rundown are slim.

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by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

You guys are seriously debating what the runner on 3rd base is supposed to do on a suicide squeeze? Have any of you ever played or run the bases in anything other than little league? My goodness.

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by krummy12 on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not debating...a suicide squeeze is just that, suicide if the batter doesn't put the ball in play

It wasn’t a safety squeeze.

Bradley was tagged out. The runner advanced to 3rd, albeit a close play at third. Bradley could have stayed in play a bit longer to allow the runner to advance to third without a close play.

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by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why wasn't fukodome at 2nd after that play?

Doesn’t really matter but still seemed kind of strange.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't running on the pitch (not sure why not)

Hoffpauir was.

The reason Hoff almost got nailed was because he stopped running when Fontenot whiffed, then realized he had better get to third or else get caught in no man’s land (plus, he might not have known Fukudome didn’t run), so he had to start up again.

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by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

We needed one run to win, and Hoff put himself on third to score that run

If Fuku gets put out trying to take second, it is a bone-headed end to the inning.

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by vonde6 on Jul 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats why he attempted to steal on the very next pitch

I was making the point that he should be going on the pitch like hoff was, it was a mistake by Fukodome.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley getting into a rundown does not freeze the runners.

All runners are taught to get to the next base when the runner in front of them gets into a rundown.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

how can you blame Bradley when

the man on third is not paid to think. he gives himself up and goes full speed ahead. Bradley did a GREAT job just to slow down so that we could have our man safe at third and not run into a DP.

it is the OBLIGATION of the batter to make contact NO MATTER WHAT. he has to foul off the ball at a minimum. It was lousy fundamentals by LBR to not even foul the pitch off at a minimum. He jabbed at it and did not square up. Just crappy fundamentals on Fonty’s part. It was not time to fool anyone. Once the pitcher commits, get in your best bunting stance and MAKE CONTACT, period. That is objective #1. Objective #2 is to get the ball into play.

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because some guys

like to bitch about Bradley come hell or high water.

I swear, sometimes I’m embarrassed to be a Cubs fan.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some people just like to bitch period.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, that, sue,

but Bradley is a real lightning rod. Granted, he causes a lot of his own problems, but when he does something right — which is most of the time — then he deserves praise.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you hear it?

Ron was going nuts!

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't

get to hear it, but agree with Fisch, if anyone has a link to their call, I would love to hear it.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can listen

to the whole game if you go to the multimedia section on cubs.com. It let’s you fast forward, so you can just all the way to the end and listen.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Abit OT

I tried the above link w/ my iPhone, but it doesn’t support Flash, or does it? How does the MLB AB ap work if MLB uses Flash? Obviously, I haven’t paid for the ap yet. Any help?

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by Kegler on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the IPhone can use flash

but its a special version that some apps have. Its the same thing with youtube.

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by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

iPhone cannot use Flash

YouTube on iPhone encodes using H.264, and I assume that the MLB At Bat app does as well.

The MLB At Bat app on iPhone is totally worth the $10. I’m sure I’ll have to buy it again next season (MLB At Bat 2010), but the video highlights, condensed game, and full audio streams (both home and away!) have made it the best app purchase I’ve made on my iPhone.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I knew they found a way to encode video a different way, I had just assumed it was a special flash.

I agree 100% on it being worth the money. Its the best thing a baseball fan can buy for their IPhone.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I’d been putting off buying the ap, but it sounds well worth it. Any word on when Flash will become available? There are quite a few sites that use it. It’s frustrating. Thanks again.

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by Kegler on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know about flash

But I can tell you this. I was very hesitant about buying the MLB app. It pays for itself after one day of baseball.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apple has voiced its displeasure...

With Flash. I doubt we’ll see it on an iPhone anytime soon.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably never

In my opinion, it won’t happen. Apple has no incentive to make it happen. See this essay for a plausible reason why:

http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/flash_iphone_calculus

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gruber knows his stuff.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent linky

Thanks. Great blog.

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by Kegler on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Flash based sites, in general, are going away.

It’ll still be used heavily for streaming video i’m sure, but in general flash sites aren’t great for the mobile environment, which is rapidly gaining a larger and larger share of web viewing.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Add that to the newer languages doing what Flash can do better...

… and its a dying language. Take Google Maps for example… built entirely on AJAX and Ruby on Rails, and every bit as powerful as a flash application with none of the proprietary implications or third party installs.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

And since I also paid for MLB.TV, I get to watch any game live on the phone. It even let me watch Saturday’s game which was blacked out on EI and MLB.TV on the computer.

I’m sure that was a mistake on MLB’s part due to the newness of the service, but I’m sure not going to call and complain…

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by Clutch16 on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting

Maybe the blackout doesn’t apply, because they assume you aren’t at home if you’re watching on your phone, and thus, unable to watch the normal broadcast.

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by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

My connection to the broadcast (via computer)

cut off right at the crack of the bat.

Cool to hear it now.

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by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice, thanks for posting.

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah it doesn't work on my work computer

but it worked for me last night at home so it prolly depends on your computer.

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by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes!

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by katie casey on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

MAKE IT GREEN

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by dtpollitt on Jul 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm ... Ron was a little happy, wasn't he?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just

 a little :)

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is there anyplace online that WGN puts the post-game highlights that they put together?

Been looking for it all morning… and I could not find it…

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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

As far as I know... you have to go to MLB.com to see any available highlights.

I watched the walk-off a couple times late last night when I finally got home.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

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by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks.

That’s going on my iPod.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very cool.

Does anyone still have the 9th inning rally from last year against the Brewers?

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that was awesome!!!

Recipe for Disaster;
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by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

I missed the game on radio and I wanted to hear Pat and Ron on the grand slam. Thanks.

wccubfan

by wccubfan on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen

Listen to the 9 am news on wgn radio it will probably be replayed during the sports segment.

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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

when cooper called on valverde

it reminded me of ned yost (i miss him) calling on salomon torres in the eighth inning of a tie game in milwaukee last season. smacked of desparation going to a closer in the eighth. yeah, they used to do it when coop played (and yost), but that isn’t standard operating procedure now.

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Joe Torre used to do that all the time with Mariano Rivera.

But you’re right, very few managers do this today.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny how it works with Rivera and Valverde

but not torres. Just more beauty of Ned Yost

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by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Torre did it when the Yankees were winning though...

At least I think that was Tim’s point – going to a closer in the 8th of a tie game. It’s rare to see a team go to its closer in a tie game in the 8th inning.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly...

When you are not the home team this is unorthodoxed. But you do see this a lot if you are the home team…maybe not in the 8th as much but definately the 9th/10th

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins kind of forced Cooper's hand

by getting thrown out of the game in the 8th.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

TLR

has been doing that a lot this year with Franklin

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

But mostly

when the birds have lead

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two things

Where did Soriano’s homerun land? From the highlight, it looked (and sounded) like it hit the camera shack just beyond the lounge in center field.

This should be the video highlight of Hawkins getting tossed. Aramis’ facial expression is priceless, he looks completely confused.

Great win last night, let’s keep it going today!

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Hit the roof of the lounge...

Not the camera shack that Sammy hit in ’03.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It bounced off the top of the batter's eye restaurant.

Almost the same spot where Carlos Lee’s homer landed.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The sound

it made was pretty neat. You can hear it on the replay, just a loud clank off metal.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think if you put that ejection video together you see this

tale the replay from the end. The ump comes out from behind the plte and says “No more, I’m not gonna listen to this.” Then cut back to the beginning of the video, and you see Hawkins make a gesture with his hand as if to say “get back behind the plate”. That was it.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think it was the gesture that got him.

"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "

by Villeslgr on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of positives from last night...

Great win, Stevens looks really good, Z was solid (needs to cut down on walks), Lee continuing to stay hot, good Marmol is back… well worth staying up for.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Yet the game threads were almost unbearable

I don’t know why I subject myself to the threads anymore. Listening to Santo geez and moan is my torture of choice now.

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by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

They were up and down...

People were probably just tired.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

200+ posts about Fonty's bunt attempt is *not* up-and-down

It’s ridiculously obsessive. I’m just glad the game went a few innings longer so that people found other things to talk about. Eventually.

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by Clutch16 on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Weee

My freshman year on the JV team for my high school I was up with a runner on third, tie game in the 7th (last inning). Coach called for a suicide squeeze. I missed it completely, but so did the catcher and we won the game.

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by Devin B on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are so right, Clutch

I was away for a few weeks, so I was hoping the little roll the Cubs have gotten on would make things a bit sweeter around here on the game threads. If anything, it seems worse.

I didn’t realize there were so many miserable people in the world.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I found some cool stuff on eBay while the Astros batted even if I did not buy anything. Must buy a bottle of Baileys to keep in the house for the next one like this.

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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

though Z had 4 walks, his WHIP was 1.00 for the 7 innings (3 hits). A couple of the walks were

guys he gave up on or he worked around (C Lee once). I think he did just fine. What starter would not take a 1.00 WHIP every time?

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great finish to a very well pitched game

The bullpen really showed up despite argueablely the two most reliable guys not pitching.

The real lesson of last night, and this hot streak in general, is that Alfonso Soriano is extrememly important to this team. It may kill some a bit on the inside when he plays, but this Cubs team is built around two offensive players- Soriano and Aramis. Not one-both. So give the Sam Fuld stuff a break and embrace Soriano because like it or not he is key to any success regular or postseason.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree they need Sori and do depend on Aramis

But this year I think you have to include Lee in there, no matter what his spot in the order is.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know I've been debating that

Lee clearly plays a huge role in the offense, especially this year. If he got injured we would be in trouble, but I feel we are best prepared offensively and defensively to sustain Lee’s injury before Soriano and Aramis.

I’m gonna have to work on a theory for Derrek Lee’s part of this offense.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finally

Finally this season is becoming fun. Up until now there’s been too much angst and hair pulling and eh gaadsooks.

I think we’re in for some fun in the second half.

I want to know what you all think to the question proposed to me last night by a friend “How are the Cubs doing?”

I answered “Better but this season to this point has been a disappointment, most of us thought they’d do better but they’ve been hit with a trainload of injuries”

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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope this rollercaster gets stuck going up

with only a few small dips and drops along the way.

"Believe or leave."

by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

started getting fun

when the cardinals front office started panicking

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I try to avoid blaming injuries

though its definitely a factor, but when people ask, I usually say the truth; They’ve been playing bad.

 I think we are finally seeing the “TEAM” come together the way Lou and Hendry may have envisioned it. I’m still curious how they tweak the team if at all, by the end of this week.

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never thought

that with 9 guys on a team, one guy (Ramirez) could have such a huge impact. But since the All-star break (approx. return of Ramirez), the Cubs are 3rd (in the NL) in OPS, 3rd in runs scored, and 4th in OBP. All while maintaining the 3rd best ERA in the NL and best BA against.

I am surprised that in such a TEAM oriented game that one guy could have such a major impact.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aramis has the same impact that Soriano has

2008 during Soriano injury- 16-18 .267 BA 4.4 Runs 9.2 hits
Aramis during Soriano injury- .207/.272/.446 8 HR 23 RBI

2009 during Aramis injury- 24-26 .247 BA 3.9 Runs 8.5 hits
Soriano during Aramis injury- .200/.259/.325 5 HR 14 RBI

Keep in mind how many players on the 2008 team were playing out of their minds- specfically Jim Edmonds in June that year, and how under performing many players have been this year.

Both guys have about equal impact with a prolonged absence from the lineup, it isn’t one guy its both. Thats how this team was built.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this suggests that when a big bat goes down, the rest of the team presses.

And I’d further suggest that implies poor managing.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

so you suggest Lou obtaining an RX for medical marijuana so the team would relax?

short of that, what could Lou do to get the team to stop pressing? this comment is as crazy as bloggers blaming Lou for Fonty executing bad fundamentals on that squeeze last night. The third baseman was so far back that anything in play scores Bradley. Everyone wants to blame Lou when it often just comes down to players executing—period.

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't think a manager has any effect

on the atmosphere of a clubhouse?

Perhaps I’m daft, here, but it sounds like you are discounting the whole notion of leadership.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice use of

‘daft.’ A very underutilized word if you ask me.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just limited to the British

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by vonde6 on Jul 28, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose my point was

that i am surprised that one player’s absence has such a profound effect on a nine player lineup. Whether the missing player is Soriano or Ramirez, as your stats aptly point out, I didn’t think that one player could/would have such a huge effect on the remainder of the team’s ability to perform.

In football or basketball, one player going down can and does have a great effect because the remaining players rely on the injured player to get the ball, catch the ball, etc. Baseball isn’t the same in that respect. Soriano’s ability to hit the ball, catch the ball, etc. doesn’t depend on Ramirez’s ability to hit the ball, catch the ball, etc, so the direct cause an effect isn’t there like it is in other sports.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with you

Missing one player shouldn’t make such a difference. As DGU pointed out it probably has a lot to do with the other players pressing (didn’t bother Edmonds in 2008 or DLee this year though) and that probably is partially Lou’s fault.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

about the manager’s responsibility. It is the manager’s job to get the most out of his players and put the players he has into positions where they can succeed. Lou failed at that while Ramirez was out.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

and that has a lot to do with Lou crying about the injury

He sits in the press room for 2 months lamenting the loss of ramirez and using it as a crutch instead of moving on and getting the job done without him.

You can’t expect the team to be confident when their manager sits around and cries about losing one player.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree Lou didn't help the situation and that had an impact

But these are professional players being paid a huge amount of money for their skill and I sure blame them as well. The whole team stopped hitting besides Lee, and they weren’t b players on a small market team that you would expect to struggle without one star.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great thing about this win

Was that I feel like whenever Wandy Rodriguez pitches, Cubs usually don’t win the game. I came in watching tonight thinking well if they lose this one they can still win the next 3.

I have no doubt with this momentum and the hot streak they got going now that the Cubs can sweep the Astros. Can you imagine how great that would be to truly separate themselves from Astros and Brewers by the weekend?

by ak123 on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I feel bad

I feel bad for the guy. Can you imagine walking through life named Wandy?

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by puckishcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's a nickname

his full name is Wandolomew.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Phew...

Much better. : /

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's a

Waug, you see. He’s his own best friend.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano

Really impressed with his outing last night. Carlos Lee always kills the Cubs so you just have to shrug your shoulders. I was initally worried he might come unraveled after that point but he really kept his composure. Good see Big Z pitching like an ace.

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Z stepped up when they needed him and the Granny sorta made him lost in the shuffle last night. He deserves some love for pitching a great game. When your starters pick up the slack with a few being injured it takes the pressure off the injured guy and they can come back when they are ready. It’s worked that way so far and I hope it continues with Lilly.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahah granny

I was wondering who got nicknamed The Granny

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some of the boards were complaining about the game.

It’s baseball people. I’d rather see a 1-1 game go into the 13th than a 9-3 blowout, but maybe that’s just me.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 28, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree

throw in a pitcher’s duel with some great defensive plays and that is a great game in my mind.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 Dan,

I was on the edge of my seat despite being extremely tired by the end of that game, it was a great battle. Blowouts get boring, even when it’s the good guys winning. It’s fun to watch the rally but after that, zzzz…….

by Fonzie2178 on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a terrific game...

… lots of tense situations, some excellent defense, great relief pitching.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about Jeff Stevens?

Sitting in my recliner, he looked awesome. Aggressive, attacking, great movement, speed ….everything you look for in a reliever. Could he be a key to our future in the pen? If he keeps this up, I think so.

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by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was really impressed

with Stevens. Great outing, if he keeps it up he will be a great addition to the pen.

by Fonzie2178 on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Stevens has a good arm and Lou likes him. That should be enough to keep him around a while.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Stevens would've been with the big club a lot sooner this year

Especially given our poor bullpen performances in certain stretches.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see Part of

the DeRosa deal contribute this year,

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would love to see Stevens

KO DeRosa the next time we play that team.

I can just see Hendry now with a smug ‘I told you so’ look on his face on the day that happens.

by JFCubFan on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're comment makes me think of this

I don’t think Stevens has this in him :P

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's one of the guys

we got for DeRosa, right?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You

are right

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

upside to that trade

already.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couple that with Gaub's performance thus far.

Gaub looks filthy in the minors. 8 games in AAA with a 0.87 ERA, 2:1 K/BB ratio, 7 K/9. Could be a lefty in the ’pen for the next few years.

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by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gaub in AA:

26 appearances, 12.6 K/9 (!), 2.83 ERA

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The trade

is looking better and better everyday now [that we have Ramirez back from his injury].

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh hindsight.

If it was up to everyone here, we’d have cut Lee in May, traded everybody and anybody for DeRo, and benched Sori in early July.

And now look where we are.

I really do sometimes wonder if the reactionary nature of the internet is healthy. Not just BCB, but in general. Things that used to take extended periods of time to digest are now pondered, written about (and then that writing is analyzed) and left behind in moments.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reactionary??? Who the hell are you calling reactionary???

(pauses and takes another swig from brown paper bag encased 40 oz bottle…)

heh, heh, heh…

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

how's the bathtub gin

i hope it isn’t rubbing alcohol

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is an interesting question.

I think the advent of television had the same effect on the world (the most obvious examples are in war and politics); but the internet (along with 24-hour cable news) really heightens the negative aspects.

C’est la vie. We’re stuck with it, alas.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The greater picture aside...

… i think this site gives fans a place to get together and panic, each reading and being convinced by the other. The opinions are less informed, more poorly researched, and often with more baggage. I don’t pine for the days of the newspapers, but at least there was some standard for the words in front of your eyes then.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now now

Blou has not posted about a game in 5 days so much of that kind of posting is gone. Even Worf is being nice..

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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything is good now.

Its easy to be nice. :-)

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The internet breeds

the reactionary nature because immediate venting is possible. With the newspaper, the author had to sit on his opinion for a number of hours, so he had time to cool off and likely temper his opinion, or at least temper how he expresses his opinion. With the internet, there isn’t much time between thought and that thoughts posting on sites such as this one. In a lot of cases, if people would simply close their eyes and count to ten before posting, it would likely temper some of the panic.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad they never listen to us.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 28, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

he can't be good

he came over in the dero trade. he must suck, or the trade wasn’t a complete waste.

chuckle.

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really like...

…how he worked fast. You know the fielders behind him appreciate him keeping the game moving. He didn’t waste any time between pitches, which I think is great for a pitcher.

by Chadnudj on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

I disagree in part. Stevens’ fastball is pretty straight but it’s pretty apparent that he’s difficult to pick up. He’s got an easy motion and then the ball is on you. Seeing major league hitters continually blown away upstairs shows that they aren’t picking it up out of his hand. His curveball has some downward tilt to it although he’ll need to throw it for strikes a little bit more. He was good last night for sure.

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by krummy12 on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

It seemed he was very tricky to pick up but once hitters got an idea of the speed of the fastball he got teed off on a couple of times. His curve does have some really good snap but it didn’t seem like it enticed hitters to swing at it when it wasn’t a strike.

However, I loved his aggressiveness and hopefully he continues to get good results.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this sounds about right to me, too.

It was great to see all the Ks, but when Stevens got hit, he got hit very hard. Tejada especially really ripped that double into left. I read one of Harry Pavlidis’ Pitch F/X studies of Stevens recently and one of his weaknesses is not enough movement on his fastball. Let’s hope it’s something he can work on.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a 3-1 pitch to Tejada, too.

Miguel was sitting on the fastball, me thinks. At least he didn’t elevate it too much.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we won

which makes it even better!

by JFCubFan on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a terrific game to watch, and despite the failure to get a run over for a number of innings

I just never had the feeling the Cubs would lose the game. Maybe that would have changed if they didn’t score in the 13th…but it just felt like they would break through even after the failed squeeze.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just want a win...

Whatever it takes.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as I take my blood pressure pills

( which I have been doing) I love games like last night. Especially after last Wed in Philly.

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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

1961

As an old-timer, I remember seeing Al Heist hit a “walk off” granny against the Braves on a rainy Saturday in April 1961. It came a day after Sammy Taylor hit a two run “walk off” .

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by KedzieKid on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou

Lou gave some kudos to Fox for his work behind the plate. Maybe he’ll get the start on Wed. with the day after night game scenario.

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by KedzieKid on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

How

many innings did Fox catch last night?

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You could tell

he was trying hard to get down and block anything close to the dirt. Instead of starting him, let him catch the last 4-5 innings.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind, there are only two catchers on the roster

Starting Hill and replacing him with Fox in the 4th or 5th just for the sake of replacing him may come back to bite the Cubs if Fox goes down.

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by flachimesa on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you there...Lou has been reluctant to start Fox obviously

So if you do put Fox in, much better to start him in case he does get injured…or has some trouble, either way you have Hill as an option plus you’ve given Hill some rest.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, if you start Fox at another position (RF, 3B, 1B)

And start Hill behind the plate… you’re still insured in case anything happens to Hill, cause Fox can move behind the plate.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Sack,

But since Lou isn’t going to rest Lee, Rammy, or even MB that often it seems, it shouldn’t create a conflict with starting Fox behind the plate. Which only adds to my puzzlement Lou hasn’t gotten Fox into games more after saying we gotta get his bat in there.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well... Fox started for DLee the other day (neck spasm).

And, he could start for either Hill or ARam on Wednesday (day game after a night game).

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus... MB has been getting plenty of days off (which is a whole other topic).

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.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really I don't see a reason he doesn't get some starts here

He’s shown he can do it, and imagine his bat in the lineup instead of Hill.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least vs. LHP.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could Lou

have stuck Fox somewhere else other than right in the front of the pitcher. By placing Fox directly in front of the pitcher, his big bat was neutralized in extras. If he had a choice, it would seem to be a poor choice to neutralize a bat that can win it with one swing.

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really LHP.

His splits—small sample to be sure—suggest he hits righties better than lefties.

He did look a little befuddled by some of Stevens’ stuff. Would hate to see him catching Marmol very much.

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by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

His splits are little stronger vs RHP

Jake Fox
vs. Left 26 ABs | 8 RBI | .269 AVG |.300 OBP | .538 SLG | .838 OPS
vs. Right 66 AB | 13 RBI | .333 | .378 OBP | .576 SLG | .954 OPS

At any rate, why does is continue to take “accidents” to discover that Jake Fox can play adequately enough in the field anywhere we put him…. to get that RBI machine in the line-up?

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.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the troubling question.

The guy can hit (now whether that holds up for the rest of the season or into 2010 is unknown), but right now, he’s an asset to the Cubs when he is in the lineup.

I think he’s shown himself to be a hard worker, who given a chance to play, will make the most of the opportunity.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou constantly says "we gotta get this guy's bat in the line-up."

And, Fox constantly rides the bench… and watches Hoffpauir or Fontenot get called upon to pinch hit in key situations.

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's total mis-management of the roster.

Get a friggin back-up catcher already. You’ve got two roster spots open. And, if you desperately need to open a spot up later, you can DFA someone you’re not using anyway.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to be the Debbie Downer

but he did not have to throw a runner out last night. I think the dumbest things the Astros did was sacrifice Bourn. I mean you have
maybe the fastest guy in baseball and you waste and out without trying the arm of a guy who has not had to throw out a runner in two years. Fox was fine last night but I think guys will run all over him if they have the chance.

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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Might as well find out.

Houston has one guy who can run – Bourne (and maybe Matsui). They are probably the best team on the upcoming schedule for Fox to catch against.

I agree, I was shocked they at least didn’t attempt a steal with Bourne. But if Cecil Cooper wants to give away an out, I’ll take it.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't run on Fox, too.

Otherwise, he looked good enough to merit a start – or at least most of a game so Koyie can catch a breather and, oh yeah, we can get Jake’s bat into the lineup! Also, as Trey points, Bourne is really the only speed thread on that team. Maybe Matsui.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember that game a few years back

where – I forget the team- Matt LeCroy was absolutely embarassed catching for the Nats?

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by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I felt bad for him.

I’ll never forget how Frank Robinson cried during the post-game interview, he was that upset. He hated to take him out during the inning but didn’t really have a choice.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember one

last year or the year before where the Red Sox let Wakefield’s personal catcher go, only to have to immediately trade for him because the replacement couldn’t catch Wakefield’s knuckleball to save his life. That catcher had a significant number of passed balls in one game as well.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mirabelli and Bard

Mirabelli was traded away, and then reacquired when Bard couldn’t catch the knuckler.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I could not remember their names for the life of me

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree.

maybe we can highlight this remark for the blogger who commented that Cecil “totally ran circles around Lou” last night when it came to managing. Let’s not let facts get in the way of opinions. ;-)

As for Fox, he did do his job. maybe Houston fears his gun. :-))

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fox did a solid job back there.

I will continue to maintain that he could spell Hill for a game and not cost the Cubs a game. It’s worth getting his bat in the lineup.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yah

I completely agree he should be spelling Hill on a regular basis, even though I enjoy watching Hill gun down guys like Bourne.

He dropped a couple of strikes that hit him square in the glove which makes me wonder if he could catch Marmol effectively, but thats not really an issue if he started the game as we could always bring Hill in if we had the lead late.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I’m all for using Hill as a defensive replacement late, and Lou has subbed for Fox late in games when the Cubs are ahead already.

I was surprised Houston didn’t try and run on Fox last night when Bourne led off the 13th with a single, but I won’t complain.

Fox isn’t going to embarrass the Cubs behind the plate. And trading Hill’s defense for Fox’s offense 1 out of 4 or 5 games isn’t going to kill the team.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I thought for sure Houston would run on him. They have to make him prove he can throw someone out don’t they?

Exactly as you said though, I won’t complain either.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You would think.

Bourne (and maybe Matsui) are the only guys on that team I’d be worried about stealing a base. If Fox is catching, maybe the pitcher throws over more or maybe they go to the slide step more.

I agree, the Cubs would take a step back defensively, but I don’t think it’s a giant leap backwards, as has been suggested.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats a solid point

In that Houston isn’t a speedy team and would probably limit Fox’s lack of defensive skills while catching. It would at least give us an idea of how capable he is back there.

He really doesn’t look like a catcher when he returns the ball to the pitcher with that side arm toss of his and he stands up a lot more than other catchers after pitches. Its kind of funny. I did really enjoy him having a laugh after he had to throw Pence out when he dropped stevens curve ball. He is just happy to be playing, which is awesome.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's had almost 2 years off from catching.

So there’s going to be some rust there, no doubt. But I think he’s proven to be a hard worker regardless of position, which will enable him to improve each time behind the plate – he’s been catching since he was 8, so the skills are still there, I’m sure.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I didn’t mean to sound like I was ragging on him for not looking like a catcher, because I think he can be effective behind the plate.

I think we are both on the same page on how we would like to see fox used and in agreement on how well he could play the position.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we're in agreement.

He’s not Koyie Hill defensively, but then again, Koyie Hill isn’t Jake Fox offensively.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just find a way to get him on the field more often than not please.

What so hard about it? Your RFer is seemingly taking every 3rd or 4th day off anyway. Your 3rd baseman is still working his way back from injury and could use a rest in a day game after night game (Wednesday). And, your catcher has caught the last 15 games or so, including a double header.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily advocate him starting behind the plate.

But, for god sakes…. use the friggin guy somehow on a daily basis. And get a friggin backup catcher on the roster so you’re not handicapped.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree they need to get him in there and see if he can catch a whole game, his bat making up for any weakness catching

Add to that the comments Lou made about his bat. He may be the only replacement catcher, but you gotta get him in there like Lou said, so why not do it with Hill available as a sub? If he makes big mistakes, put Hill back in. Frustrates me when Lou says one thing and does the other…maybe its good strategy before a playoff game but during the middle of the season it’s just waffling to me.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big big win...

They get the win in a game against a guy (Rodriguez) who has consistently given the Cubs problems. And it sets up nicely for the rest of the series. Had the Cubs lost the opener, tonight’s game against Oswalt becomes much more important. If we lose the first two, we’re clawing for a split. Now, if we happen to lose tonight, there’s still a good shot at winning 3 of 4, and a a really good chance of at least a split.

And of course if we win tonight, it means we’ll have beaten their two best pitchers to open the series and have a shot at the sweep!

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I hate Roy Oswalt

after he plunked DLee a few years ago at the end of the season when he was at the end of hte game. I thought he was a chicken shit. Anyhow, he has been an extremely hot pitcher lately, we’ll have to scrape again tonight to beat him.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins on the ejection...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/6550130.html

What had been a splendid evening of baseball soured a bit in the bottom of the eighth. Shortly after Hawkins issued a two-out walk to Lee, home plate umpire Mike Everitt and Hawkins began exchanging words after Ramirez took a ball to put the count at 1-1.
Everitt yelled at Hawkins, who countered with a response that prompted Everitt to eject him.
"I thought it was a strike," Hawkins said. "And I told (Everitt), ‘Come on, I need that pitch.’ He don’t need any help.’ He said, ‘Knock it off.’ I waved him off, and he threw me out of the game. Maybe he was having a bad day. I thought he had determined who he wanted to win the game anyway."

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by kaseyi on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Well

that last sentence will certainly cost him…

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

As earlier mentioned, he jawed at the umpire who clearly warned him, then waved his glove at the ump and said something like said ump wasn’t worth his time to listen to. Both got him ejected. Hawkins always liked to blame his idiocy on everyone else but himself.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can't do his job.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we've heard.

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by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he CAN do yours

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really doubt that.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

But do you think he could tell your boss to STFU and then get ejected?!

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by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised he didn't call "racism"

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by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

"Nice to hear some cheers for once," Bradley said. "I didn't come here to suck. I know I've sucked so far, but give me some love, you know what I'm saying? I am a Cub."

by Bildo1805 on Jul 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that last sentence...wow.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

why do I think the exchange was not as calm as,

LaToya, “Come on, I need that pitch.”

Man in black, “Knock it off.”

Somehow or another I think there was some mention of mothers of sexual intercourse thrown in (or both). You don’t get a quick trigger for such calm chatter from 60 feet apart.

My guess is LaToya said something that rhymed with “pitch” and the ump said something different before the word “off.”

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

LaToya

FTW

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by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

High point of last nights game thread...

… i was in a hospital waiting room and had a TV but no audio… the ejection made no sense to me. Clutch16 explained it as such:

Ump told him to STFU, And LaTroy said ORLY, and teh ump said GTFO.

Classic.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize I'm thick, and the other abbreviations are easy to figure out..

But I saw ORLY last night and still don’t know what it means. I thought Oh Really…would start it off and couldn’t get beyond that.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

you got it right

it comes from the ORLY owl macro image. Google it.

by false cognate on Jul 28, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

Never would have guessed Oh Really was all it was. Makes sense given what happened, guess I always expect bad language…though I’m sure Hawkins made up for it after getting tossed.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

ORLY?

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I-Rod's...

reaction there is weird. Is he half-heartedly trying to block the umpire or something?

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think so.

He was probably trying say something like, “Hold on, hold on…lemme talk to him.”

TOO LATE.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

thats my theory too

by Allie on Jul 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does look that way.

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by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, I-Rod should have been tossed for touching the ump too!

let’s get the tape to the league office!!

…maybe the ump liked where he was touched (inner thigh). :-)

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

There doesn't need to be a plunking

Because I remember the Astros celebrating some walk off wins too.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

soriano also did the John Cena

taunt from wresting

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Jul 28, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

To his own teammates

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by JohnM on Jul 28, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

They looked furious about it...

Even got a pie in the face for it.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Payback.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That b^%#h!

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both bullpens are depleted.

I seriously doubt Sori will get a purpose pitch tonight any time before the 6th inning, if at all. Oswalt can’t risk getting tossed early.

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by Clutch16 on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

The Cubs may have Guzman and Gregg, but they don’t want to use Gregg more than one inning, and I doubt more than 2 for Guzman…which will bring problems for an extra inning game. The Stros are in a similar situation and I doubt either club will want their starter out until the 7th at the earliest.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marshall only threw 3 pitches last night.

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Lou doesn’t seem to realize he’s capable of pitching for more than a few batters, lefty or not. In games that go to extras, I would like to see him for 2 innings almost every time.

by madcow256 on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hindsight, I'm kind of glad he only used him for 3 pitches.

Who knows what they’re gonna get out of Demp tonight. I’m glad Marshall can be used for a couple innings tonight if need be and if Lou will allow him to.

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by Fishbone2 on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad because we won the game

Had we lost when the Shark was pitching 2 innings for us, I’d probably be livid that we saved Marshall. Winning tends to vindicate a lot of questionable decisions that could have gone either way.

by madcow256 on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, right

It was so convenient when those teams we played against put out their all-lefty lineups so Lou could afford to make him the starter.

by madcow256 on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marshall says:

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Cubs can go with Guzman for 2, Marshall for 2 and Gregg for a stressful one. Let’s just hope this one doesn’t go more than 9 or 10 and we can get 5 solid innings out of Dempster. though I was initially unhappy about Marshall being used in a LOOGY role again last night, he is rested and ready to give innings—assuming Lou remembers how to use him that way. :-)

I hope this one is over in 8 1/2!!

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Fox

might have caught a huge break in the top of the 10th. Rodriguez swung at a curve ball that Jake was in no position to block. Thankfully he made contact and it didn’t matter.

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

How many times a game could you say that?

I’m betting a lot

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I realize that

That was just an intense moment in the game with a runner at 3rd and no margin for error. Luckily it didn’t matter. Jake made a great play on that wild Spellcheck fastball so overall I think he did a good job

by VillanuevaExperience on Jul 28, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That one scared the crap out of me

Glad Jake had the instinct to just toss the mitt up there and snag it, or that ball is easily into the bricks.

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by Clutch16 on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I truly think

that if Jake hadn’t caught that pitch, Bourn would have scored all the way from second.

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by MOCubsfan on Jul 28, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

He did fine. He saved a ball that almost sailed way over his head, luckily he was able to snag it.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

every catcher

has pitches they don’t block. Sounds like Fox did fine.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was in pretty good position

If we are talking about the same pitch anyways, Brenly even stated that fox was getting ready to block the pitch before it was fouled off.

Jake’s head was down looking at the ball, arms at his sides (no gaps between his arms and torso), glove in the five hole, looked almost like he was replicating something he has been working very hard on lately.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great win.

I was really impressed with the Cubs overall last night. Z looked terrific and kept his composure throughout. The bullpen, especially Stevens, who had 4 innings under his belt coming into last night, I thought did a tremendous job. Heilman, Marshall, Shark, the list goes on.

Fox did an admirable job behind the dish as well.

I was lucky enough to be in attendance and I have to say it was one of the best regular season games I have been to. Just an electric atmosphere and a well played game by both teams.

Hopefully the Cubs can get to Oswalt tonight and Dempster looks sharp coming off the DL.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Question for those who are good at working with stats

Is there a way on baseball reference or any other site to sort stats from a specific year on?

Example: I want to see who has the best ERA in the AL since 2002, or something like that.

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by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Last Walkoff GS by a Cub @ Wrigley

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199308300.shtml

Was by Rick Wilkins in 1993 vs. the Phillies. Funny, he was 0-5 before his hit, too.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Cool, how'd you find that?

all after 2 outs too.

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mentioned on Sportscenter...

…that it was Wilkins in 93. I just looked through his game log on BR to find out which game it was.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for finding that.

I had forgotten about that one.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I reckon it'll be Berg

but who knows…

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by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'd be best served by working in Des Moines the rest of the year

but again, who knows? After last night’s “little goof,” it could be Fontenot. Maybe Baker or Blanco. It’s an interesting tidbit for today.

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by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It won't be a position player.

The Cubs won’t carry 13 pitchers.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct...

It almost has to be Berg. Aside from him, we’re at the point where Piniella will sort of use all of his relievers (though Stevens appears to be moving toward Patton status).

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a bummer that would be for Berg,

to be called up and not get to make your MLB debut.

Hopefully, if he does get sent down, he’ll be back in September.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be any of Samardzija, Berg, or Stevens...

I’d say Berg is the most likely, since he was just called up. But it depends on whether they want to keep Samardzija in the bullpen for the rest of the year or send him down to work on his pitches as a starter.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

TWHA

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mid-AB Ejection

Hey Al,

Not sure, but I think it was either ‘88 or ’89 in the ALCS when the Red Sox and A’s were squaring off, and Clemens got heaved out in the early innings for mouthing some potty words at the plate umpire.

Not 100% sure it was mid-at-bat, but I think it was.

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

That ejection was...

on October 10, 1990. Clemens had just walked Willie Randolph, so it wasn’t in the middle of an at-bat.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Darn it, Al!

I was just going to post a link to that game!!!!

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Gregg

Didn’t Kevin Gregg come in to pitch for one batter? Or was I mistaken…

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by VicVega on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Not last night...

The two previous games.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it were groundhog day.... yes.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did warm up.

Which surprises me because I thought Lou said once he’s up, he’s coming into the game. Maybe that knee is 100%?

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by cubswynn on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what I love...

…is the guy in the stands that stands up to boo Sori, says he’s a bum, wants him to be traded blah blah blah….and then is doing the you can’t see me gesture after the walk off.

Props to my sister, 8 months pregnant, who stuck it out all the way through. Baby boy on the way got to see a great game, I’ll be telling him that story when he get’s older!

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by cubswynn on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah she was 0-2 over the last two seasons.

She wanted to hear Go Cubs Go, REALLY badly. She said baby boy was kicking along with the clapping fans (e.g. “Let’s go Cubbies,” clap clap clap clap).

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by cubswynn on Jul 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I DONT WATCH GAME CUZ I HAZ NO TV, LOL!!!!1!!

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I LIKE ROY HALLIDAY

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ♥ PV!!!

kthxbye

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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ♥ PV 2, LOLZ!!11!!

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

PV for Prez

ROFLBBQCOPTER

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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more Houston please...

That’s the 3rd extra inning game in the series on the year… and the 5th walk-off in the series.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't we have a roster move to make soon?

Doesn’t David Patton have to be added back from the DL? Who goes down? Spellcheck? Berg?

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Patton

can stay on there as long as we want him to stay on there. However, if he starts a rehab assignment he has to be activated within 30 days or something like that… I suspect he will go out on an Rehab assignment on 8/2 and then be part of the expanded rosters on 9/1

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by TheRiot Police on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to Josh's minor league recap

Patton had a rehab start last night. Our roster is getting close to being a cluster F.

We’re using 38 out of 40 spots. And, at some point, BJ Ryan will likely be added. Plus, we’ve presumably been looking for a backup catcher via trade. So, any trade will likely include somebody from our 40-man, I’m guessing.

But, if you DFA someone… that removes them from the 40 man. Even if he doesn’t get picked up by anyone. Correct? So, we can DFA a guy like Chad Fox. Or we can include a guy like Jose Ascanio, Mitch Atkins or Jason Waddell in a trade.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Patton can stay in the minors for 29 more days...

You can only be on rehab assignment for 30 days. I believe that yesterday was Patton’s first day on assignment.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

As for the 40-man roster, yes...

we have 38 spots taken, and Ryan will make 39 when/if he’s brought to the big club. A minor move for a catcher could involve a 40-man guy or not. Any additional trade would probably need to involve someone on the 40-man, or else someone on the 40-man roster would get the ax.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chad Fox can go on the 60-day DL....

… as soon as he gets enough service time to get to 10 years. Not sure when that will be. Once that happens, that’ll open up a spot.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also true... although once Fox reaches the service time he can be cut...

I was under the impression that the only reason he’s still around is to get the service time.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

He could just be cut after that, but the 60-day DL accomplishes the same thing.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does the service time get him post-career benefits?

Is that what the big deal is?

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

10 years of service time

is what a player needs to get their full pension.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was at 9.054 years coming into the season...

I’m not exactly sure how it works, but I believe that that means he had 9 years and 54 days of service time. Don’t know whether that means he needs to last the full season or whether he just needs to last until there are 54 days left in the season.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the answer

we can put cotts on the 60 day

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cotts had TJ surgery about a month ago.

He is done for the year and most likely next year too.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow - missed that...

Can you put a guy on the 60-day DL from the minors?

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT, kinda

How cool must it be to have a surgery named after you. Well today well will do the SantosWoodLegs surgey, it should add 1-2 MPH on your overall speed, or how about to fix that torn legiment today we will be performing Eric Hannah on you.

Of course the flip side is having a disease named after you, ie Lou Gehrig’s Disease:

I am sorry to inform you that your son is dying from Blou’s Disease, it is a slow rotting of your brain and it manifests with people posting idiotic comments.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are we so loyal to Chad Fox?

Is he Hendry’s brother-in-law or something? Seriously.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

since we are only using up 38 spots right now, what difference does it make?

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think SackMan is looking ahead at trade scenarios...

If we add Ryan and another catcher via trade, we’re at the 40-man limit and can’t make any other trades without involving someone on the 40-man roster (either via trade, DFA, or 60-day DL).

Given that the first trade deadline is this Friday, it’s relevant.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because we paid a manager

who shredded Fox’s arm after he had worked his butt off to get back into the game. Check the pitch counts on these two games, back-to-back games.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Dusty we Trusty

to ruin pitchers arms.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jul 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks -

Double posted the April 24 game. 45 pitches in 24 hours from a guy that had just gotten back from a major injury – and I bet Dusty still doesn’t think he did anything wrong.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dusty doesn't think.

pitchers are disposal. ask Harang.

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is running an experiment

Dusty wants to see how many pitchs it will take for an arm to literally fly off.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could find

an updated spreadsheet. I can only find this one with our trades, signings, etc.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/files/chicago_cubs_jim_hendry.xls

Anyone know of another?

by jthack on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Al mentioned Ballhawks tweets....

I don’t have twitter but I have a few people who twitter saved in my favorites. I do enjoy looking up Ballhawks tweets. Gives me a snapshot of

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

He said he was "too old" to go after DLee's HR ball last night

He’s really quick-witted.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

but slow-footed...

of course it’s always a great time for a Cubs homer onto Waveland, but Lee’s homer came at a most inopportune time, lighting wise. It was still kind of dusky, twilighty, and the lights had yet not taken full effect.

So Lee smashes it, I can hear Pat & Ron go crazy on the radio, I see and hear fans going crazy in front of me, everyone’s looking up, and I’m scanning the skies back-n-forth, up-n-down. From the angle of fans’ heads, I know it’s right at me, but for the life of me I can’t pick it up.

Finally, I see it, I run up as fast as I can, reach down and try to short-hop it off the asphalt, but it just scoots under my glove and heads down Kenmore. Sigh… I’m like Harry Callahan’s partner in Dirty Harry – “Too much linguini…” ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing your adventures with us Ken

and I hope you catch 12 or 13 Cubs HR balls tonight. I’ll be following.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn...so close.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard last night

Carlos Lee is 3 away from 300

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by tony412 on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh oh. Let's hope he's not celebrating that milestone this series.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's hope he celebrates 298 on Friday

299 on Saturday
and 300 on Sunday

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heck, let him celebrate all of them in the same game.

as long as he hits them all after he leaves town.

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by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be on his way to St Louis Thursday evening

Let him hit all 3 there!

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking ballhawk's description....

…..might be pretty similar to what goes on in Adam’s Dunn’s mind on a fly ball…

So Lee smashes it, I can hear Pat & Ron go crazy on the radio, I see and hear fans going crazy in back of me, everyone’s looking up, and I’m scanning the skies back-n-forth, up-n-down. From the angle of fans’ heads, I know it’s right at me, but for the life of me I can’t pick it up.

Finally, I see it, I run up as fast as I can, reach down and try to short-hop it off the grass, but it just scoots under my glove and heads towards the wall

Yep, almost exactly…LOL

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, we're both left-handed...

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was one long fantastic game.

The pitching was great and Soriano hitting the GS was a perfect ending. Keep the streak going Cubs!!!

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Walk-off style

Sori is on his way back; good for the rest of the lineup. Now let’s get Soto and Lilly back soon, and this team will hit its “real” stride.

Ivan DeJesus- I loved watching this guy play way back when.

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by propheteer on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, I would have bet my next home run ball that Fox would be starting at catcher tomorrow (Wed)

but now that he’s seen some action, I’m not so sure. Maybe Lou played him enough last night to placate the masses and/or media. Still…

Lefty on the mound for Houston, day game after a night game, and I think Wells is going for us, i.e. someone Fox has caught before, albeit in minors. Sounds like a perfect time for Fox to start, get a good 6-7 innings in behind the plate and then sub in Hill if the situation calls for it.

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by ballhawk on Jul 28, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Too much sense. It hurts.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why it's like...it's like...the perfect storm.

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by daver on Jul 28, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Day game after night game.... sounds perfect.

Or, he can start at 3B for A-Ram on Wednesday as well.

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could always start at catcher

and then replace Rami at 3rd just in case he needs to go back behind the plate later. That way Rami gets some rest too.

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by gwood on Jul 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

From your keyboard to Piniella's lineup card, por favor.

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by Bill Potter on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Sori got plunked by Oswalt today

The Astros probably won’t take kindly to his showboating.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Bring what up?

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by Blue W on Jul 28, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

that he might get plunked by Oswalt for "Showboating"

between this thread, and fanposts, it’s been said about 600 times

by WanderingWanderer on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if people say things like this to try to shut me up

“Oh no! It can only be said once and if someone else says it, use sarcasm to shut him up.”

That doesn’t work with me. You’re only going to encourage me to do things like this on purpose now.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Sori got plunked by Oswalt today

…and not all of us spend 24/7 on this blog. People get too wound up on these little things. It’s the internet.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 28, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Five win streak and in first place.

Where the fuck is Blou?

"It’s up to Miles to keep the Cubs alive"

by xene on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes real life intervenes, you know...

He’s been defending his position all they way through this winning streak. It can be annoying, but I don’t see him running away from the fight.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defending it WHERE?

His position (this team sucks and should rebuilt) is now indefensible. And i haven’t seen him around.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with his arguments at all.

But it’s not as if he’s backed off on them. I believe you can find them restated here even after we moved into 1st place.

I’ll defend someone’s right to have a wrong opinion and I’ll defend someone’s right to take a few days off defending that opinion on-line.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 28, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said...

one of my least favorite things is when someone comes on a message board asking for someone to apologize for having an opinion.

Granted, I think BLou should apologize for the approach he uses to express that opinion. But he has every right to voice that opinion. And he has every right to not post immediate responses if life dictates.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh...

Since the cubs took first place he’s commented like 15 times. That s a slow afternoon for the dude if the team is playing poorly. And of those comments, only this one seems to stick to his standard “Cubs suck, cards will win the division, blah blah blah time to rebuild, blah blah blah pound sand, Hendry is garbage, blah blah blah” line. Xene and SWL’s point sticks… he relishes in the teams failure, and disappears during its success.

I too defend his right to his opinion, but i detest the way he communicates it. Being a jerk to everybody and then disappearing when your predictions aren’t playing out isn’t any way to convince us.

If he has other things going on in his life, than i hope the best for him. He does seem to be an intelligent guy with something interesting to add when his hostile attitude doesn’t trip him up, and i look forward to debating with him again… hopefully with the cubs still proving him wrong.

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by AndrewJStone on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Telling everyone on

WCG that the season is over b/c Tillman had back surgery.

by Allie on Jul 28, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

BLou has turned back into a pumpkin.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

or only win 79 games- take your pick...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 28, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if it's both? o.0

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He may not be able to post here.

He made a comment yesterday that was over the top in a fanpost regarding Milton Bradley.

Al ended up doing something to him, not sure what.

I’m not complaining, you understand.

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not banned...he's around.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt waiting for the Cubs to lose so he can go on his usual rants.

I get tired of hearing him constantly say how bad this team is.

It’s one thing to be upset when your team loses. It’s something else to hope they lose so you can say how bad they are.

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't visit WCG or SCH then.

He loves to hate on the Bears and Hawks whenever he can too.

My favorite was when he suggested Patrick Kane lose a fight and end up injured.

by Mike Martin on Jul 28, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox just traded Brian Anderson to Boston

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by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not quite sure what the Red Sox are doing.

They’ve traded for Chris Duncan, Alam LaRoche and Brian Anderson.

Don’t they need offense?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

might be for a bigger trade

they just made an offer for doc halladay

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox have puzzled me since the off-season.

All they did last winter is sign hurt players and for some reason the talking heads thought that was the greatest strategy. Predictably Penny and Smoltz have been pretty bad for the Sox and they’re not exactly making the minimum.

Now, they’re collecting position players that have been awful this year.

The Red Sox seem like a team in trouble, they’re pitching has been shaky and their offense has gone to sleep. They appear to NEED to make a big trade or they’re in danger of not making the playoffs.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i never understood the smoltz signing

pennys hasnt been good, but he hasnt been awful either

wells4roty

by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the Smoltz signing was a good gamble...

he was really good the last three years prior to the injury. The Red Sox are a huge-market team and could afford to take the gamble. They basically paid $10 million to Penny/Smoltz for a year in hopes that one of the two would be a solid starter for them, with the hopes that one of the two would turn out to be awesome.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the bargains that were available last off-season,

wouldn’t it have made more sense to take that money and sign a player who wasn’t coming off a serious injury? I an understand taking a flyer on an injured player but not for the money they paid, particularly to Smoltz.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

A couple of things...

1. I don’t think the money spent for Smoltz was that crazy. $5 million isn’t outlandish for a team with Boston’s budget.

2. There weren’t many/any low-cost guys who could potentially be aces. Smoltz was a guy who was coming off ERAs of 3.06, 3.49, 3.11 and 2.57 (with a season-ending injury early in the season).

Obviously, it hasn’t worked out to this point. But I don’t think it was a bad gamble. If he had come back healthy this year and given them another ace, everyone would be moaning about how they got Smoltz on the cheap.

by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Smoltz would have been a better risk coming off surgery and those ERA's...

… if he were 32 instead of 42.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I'm really confused.

The Re d Sox and White So swapped Brian Anderson and Mark Kotsay.

Why would the White Sox want Mark Kotsay? Is someone hurt?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

kotsay can hit, but not for power

anderson can’t hit, but will occasionally go deep. also a good glove man.

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kotsay can't hit.

He has a .615 OPS and a .291 OBA. They’d have been better off keeping Anderson.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

reinforcements for Pawtucket?

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

aren't the six months

just about up on the rich hill deal? he’s deciding if he’s hurt or not. they’re deciding DL or DFA. it’d be nice to get something for him. we should know very soon, correct?

they were trashing our farm system. i thanked them for fontenot.

by tim815 on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

OT: Brett Favre staying retired...

For now apparently. Until he shows up the first day of Vikings’ camp…

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 28, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

And, tomorrow he'll un-retire right. LOL.

I hope he plays. He’ll make the Vikings worse.

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.

by SackMan on Jul 28, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

no surprise.

if you read btwn the lines all summer, the vikings made it clear that they pursued favre to help sell tickets to their new stadium and favre made it clear that his bicep/shoulder was not healing well. this was all a big scam to get tickets sold. nothing more.

As a lifelong Packer fan (who has put up with all this childish behavior from Brett for years), I have said all summer that Favre was not going to sign with Minnesota. I just thought his shoulder was too messed up.

let’s move along now…

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by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a friend of Sage Rosenfels

this makes me happy.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else notice the jawing btween DLee and Big Z after the Carlos Lee home

run? Big Z was pissd off and after he got the come backer, he fired the ball to first at about 95 before DLee even got to the bag. DLee was none too happy and let him hear about it. I suspect you won’t see Big Z do that again.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 28, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Pat & Ron mentioned it on 720

"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru

by LAcarl519 on Jul 28, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Len & Bob did too.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Jul 28, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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