Cubs Acquire John Grabow, Tom Gorzelanny?
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Seems like an ok pickup
Depending on who Pittsburgh gets in return, of course.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 30, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm....
I hope there’s still room to address 2B (or possibly OF).
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 30, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
Some live under the delusion that Chase Utley or Robinson Cano is readily available for a bag of magic beans
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Most wanted Sanchez
And reports this morning said they were after Teahen.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Teahan would be an outstanding addition
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
Not I.
I don’t expect something for nothing.
But I also don’t buy the typical talking point that nobody is available, and even if they were available the other team wanted Zambrano, Ramirez, Vitters, and 20,000,000 dollars in return.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 30, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who, give an example of who has said this?
But, your not, cause that’s what you do.
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Why do we want Grabow?
Lefties are hitting .275 against him and he has a 1.62 WHIP. It’s a small sample size but his career numbers aren’t much better. I thought the idea of getting a lefty specialist was to, you know, use him against lefties to dominate.
Yeah, I was looking overall #'s when I posted above
This should be exciting.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 30, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Semi-Annual Bullpen revamp...
…is a Hendry trademark.
Bullpen arms are much cheaper to acquire than, say, RBis guys -and it makes you look like you’re feverishly making moves every offseason and trade deadline.
Now grab the patented utility guy who bats .265-ish with no real power and you’ve got a “busy GM.”
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 30, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I stand corrected…..
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 30, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Won't matter to Lou
If he throws with his left hand he is a LOOGY. His value is that it frees Marshall to either start or do long relief and for Lou to stop using HIM as a LOOGY.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Sean's sure been ineffective in the way he's been used.
(sarcasm)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
i don’t get this move at all. has not been effective against lefties. walks too many guys period.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
now i'm really nervous
if aaron miles or aaron heilman is involved, life is good
i really hope it involves one guy from the 40 man at least
this must be the trade al was talking about. i hope the particulars are good.
Apparently
The deal includes Gorzelanny.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
Marshall should and I think will stay in the pen
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
Lou seems to
Want a lefty in the rotation.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I think too
THe Cubs surely are parting company with an upper tier prospect at a minimum. Grabow and Gorzelanny together would not have come cheap.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
My bet is
One of the middle infielders will go to replace Sanchez, probably Lee or Flaherty, and then probably one or two pitchers, mayve Mitch Atkins and Veal?
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
atkins or hart would be fine
but flaherty and lake aren’t ready to play short in the bigs. nate samson, junior lake, or darwin barney would be closest.
That's why
They play second. As sad as it is, I think they want Onedec at short.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Cedeno is a stopgap in Pittsburgh
They have said as such to their fans.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
They are going to give us Veal back ?
Cause he is a Pirate now.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes you're right
My fault. Caridad then?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
nah, part of the deal
could be to let them do whatever with him.
Hak Ju Lee isn't going anywhere
and both he and Flaherty are sooo far from the majors that they don’t fill an immediate need.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I don't think the Pirates are looking to fill immediate needs
They are a long way from competing, they know it, and so they are building for the future.
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The reply button doesn't bite
And Gorzelanny hasn’t been confirmed.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
kevin hart, thanx for the win.
enjoy iowa. or pittsburgh
Where does Gorzy go
When Lilly comes back?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
gorzy can start in iowa
with grabow in the pen. ryan to join as well.
Gorzy will be the 5th starter until Ted Lilly is back
Which gives you a pen of Gregg, Marmol, Guzman, Marshall, Grabow, Heilman, Stevens
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
Why the hell
would Gorz be acquired? He is terrible. I would much rather have Hart pitching. Gorzy is complete rubbish.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
He's still 26
And had a great year a couple of years ago. He’s been in AAA a lot this year, and has been pitching fine there.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
And he was good in 07, was he not?
And as a matter of fact, he had a decent ERA last year, he only had an issue with walks. Lou was an idiot for sending him down, because that screwed up his head.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Comedy hour begins early today. Newsflash folks…Lou Piniella screwed up Rich Hill !!!!
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
That's my personal opinion.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If his psyche was that fragile
Something else would have done it, then.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 30, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, first...
thats AAA, not the bigs. He was putrid last year. Just rancid. I see no point in trading for a guy like Gorzy when Hart will surely put up as good of numbers as Gorzy will.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Gorzy has a good arm and potential
Larry Rothschild might have a nice impact. Kevin Hart is what he is. One good start should not change assessment.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
That's two good starts,
and a mountain of dog shit starts from Gorzy.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
its not all on gorzy
You do remember the team we got him from, right? I mean the Pirates? Christ, any pitcher pitching for the Pirates is going to have horrible numbers.
so was jamie moyer at his age
if he’s a cheap add (pleeeeze be right, al), i’m all for it
i'd guess
that ascaino is going to pittsburgh in this deal. either hart or gorzelanny will take his rotation spot with the other filling in as the 5th starter until lilly returns. seems likely that pittsburgh will get a middle infield prospect and one or two other pieces.
????
Pittsburgh will surely get a quality return for Grabow and Gorzelanny. Neal Huntington has made three great trades in a row and sure in the heck isn’t going to accept marginal garbage from the Cubs now.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
yup.
onedec and a guy that doesn’t play any defense seems good for jack wilson
Jeff Clement is a good get
A risk, yes. But a lot of potential and upside, yes also. Clement can rake. He needs to play 1st base full time and be done with it.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
most of the arms they've been getting
are a ways away. brian schlitter, maybe.
people may not know this about clement, but...
he is the all-time home run king in the state of Iowa.. Dude had some big-time pop at the high school level, wondering what he could do if he got regular playing time in the bigs.
get this game over with
so we can hear what the trade is.
Its hard to evaluate a trade without knowing who we are sending
I am curious who the Pirates are receiving.
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I'm guessing
A guy like Ascanio and Darwin Barney, plus a lower level prospect or two if Gorzy is in the deal.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
I'm guessing the shortstop kid Lee and something like Stevens is the return deal
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
i don't see why we give up lee.
adding gorzelanny isn’t worth it. (and i like gorzy long-term.)
They'll probably want a lefty
After losing two.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It is going to seem like a lot
but a LOT of teams are chasing relief pitchers so you have to give them something decent.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
Another thing
Gorzy was plagued by injuries these past couple years. Hopefully his good AAA numbers indicate he’s getting healthier.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
Gorzy also provides starting rotation depth for 2010 given that Rich Harden will likely be a goner
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
I'll say Lee, Stevens, Hoffpauir is the deal
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
just thought about hoff myself
i’ll go hoff, cariman (AAA starter), barney or lake, and schlitter.
If they give that up for
2 months of Grabow and that heap of nothing Gorzy its a terrible deal.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Grabow is an "in-demand" commodity right now and Gorzy is a lefty starter with talent
Pittsburgh isn’t going to trade those two within the division unless they get a true quality return.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
Gorzy does not have talent.
He is terrible. Two months of Grabow’s productions is not worth that trade.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
I'm with Blou on this
And I usually tend to have different opinions than him. If he has no talent, explain 06 and 07 to me.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
you seem interested in including lee
he’s awfully young for being a stopgap. and awfully prized to surrender for two (presently) meh lefties.
Cedeno is the stopgap
Look, I’m not advocating the inclusion of Lee. All I’m doing is stating that Lee is my guess of the primary trade bait. You ain’t going to get the in-demand Grabow AND Gorzelanny for a bunch of triple A shit ladies and gentleman. Cubs are parting company with something good.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
junior lake and darwin bareny aren't
excremental
I imagine
given Gorzo’s lack of success recently at the MLB level and Grabow’s impending free agency, there won’t be anyone in the deal that we can’t live without. I wouldn’t have an issue with Hoff leaving, but Stevens seemed like the centerpeice of the DeRosa deal, so I’d be surpised if he went.
DEJESUS!!!
I don't think
They’re looking for players in their late 20’s, early 30’s and in their prime. If they were, they wouldn’t have traded McLouth, Wilson or Sanchez
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
why would we give up stevens?
that would be absolutely foolish. stevens is better than grabow and gorzelanny.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Did not realize he is local boy
Probably would enjoy playing in Chicago .
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
He would, but for the other team
“I grew up on the south side as a White Sox fan. Growing up, I didn’t want the Cubs to win.”
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok cut him out of the deal
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
am I the only one
that doesnt want to see Lee or Hoff in the deal. Id just as rather see the team we had play the rest of the year. idk Lee seems like a good shortstop prospect and i cant remeber the last one that we had
lee is on my 'no trade list'
i’m holding out hope that miles, heilman, or scales are involved. some 40-man talent has to be involved.
Well let go of that hope
Too old.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
A package of Miles, Heilman and Scales will get you a bag of used bubblegum wrappers
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
Can we include Milton Bradley and his contract?
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
You can't stand to part company with a 29 year old Triple A first baseman and an unknown shortstop prospect for a team that is sitting in 1st place and hasn't won a World Series since 1908??
Crikey.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
I can stand it
if i thought grabow was really gunna help alot this year. I feel that we are only mildly upgrading.
i would bet money
that hart is who we’re giving up. and i really don’t understand it. i don’t love hart, but i love grabow and gorzelanny even less.
I won't be Hart
He would’ve been pulled from the game.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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He was after the 6th inning
And you don’t want to give up a guy with a 13/18 K/BB ratio?
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The talks were reported very early in the game. Hart would've been yanked right away, or never even started.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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WOW! I stand corrected. It was Hart!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Hopefully we do this without losing Jay Jackson
Along with the other top 10 guys.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
if we trade
jay jackson for either of these stooges, jim hendry should be fired immediately (instead of after the season).
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
jackson
was demoted to Daytona yesterday, with Chris Carpenter moving up to Tennessee. Anyone have any idea why?
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
the more i look at it
gorzellanny wouldn’t be a terrible guy – he IS effective against lefties, unlike grabow. interesting. i don’t know how used to pitching in the bullpen he is though. i still wouldn’t give up too much for him.
Gorzy isn't for the pen...
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
but he's sucked
as a starter. why would we stick him in the rotation? he sucks.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
and..........
how do you know how they intend to use him?
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why don't you look at his 07 numbers?
And Lou has said, he’s going to get another pitcher for the rotation, and it sure isn’t Grabow.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Lou misspoke
He meant to say HOLY SHIT SEAN MARSHALL can START games. Ok get me an actual LOOGY and I will try that tall kid as a starter . I mean I don’t mind giving something new a chance.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
right
that was TWO YEARS AGO. he’s sucked since. and his numbers in 07 weren’t fantastic. that ERA was lower than it should’ve been based on his other numbers.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Gorzy fills the rotation spot open with Lilly on the DL
Marshall is too valuable in the pen. Grabow makes the pen stronger. Gorzy also provides starting rotation option for next year given that Harden likely leaves via free agency.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
I hope Rich
Doesn’t leave.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
he will
we have too many guys that are cheap and in line to start next year.
bj ryan to join the team soon
it has to involve one or two from the 25 man roster
You have a lot faith in guy who could not make the Pirates rotation
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
So do I
Me and Blou are in the Gorzy fan club.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
count me in
he’s nice back-end depth…. and has had good career minor league #’s
he’s not an ace
i don’t get what everyone is so worked up about
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
true, i probably shouldn't get worked up about this
until i see who we’re giving up. but regardless, it just seems sort of………..pointless.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
His value was when he started against the Cubs last year
And they literally drove his ERA up one run per start. It was great. I have no idea what you people see in him.
If he were a Cub Blou would be saying he was AAAA guy who we wasted a draft pick on who would never amount to anything.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
but hart has done a serviceable job for a fill-in starter (better than gorzy has done the last couple of years), and moving forward, i see no reason to think that gorzy being in our rotation next season will be anything but a disaster. again, he SUCKS! look at his numbers!
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm looking....
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gorzeto01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gorzel001tho
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hartke01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hart—001kev
he’s better than Hart…
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
TWO YEARS AGO!
he had a halfway decent season.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
did you even look?
because Hart has been a worse pitcher than Gorz both at the major and minor league level throughout his career….
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, fine
i don’t care enough about kevin hart to care if he’s swapped straight up for gorzy. but if it’s certain other players we’re giving up, this seems dumb. gorzy’s had his chance to perform at the big league level and he can’t throw strikes.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And a lefty
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
look at his career
K to BB ratio. awful.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Moyer had 34 career wins at the age of 30
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
what does that have to do
with the price of tea?
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
that was a response to
“look at jamie moyer’s record at the same age”
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Both are soft-tossing lefties
At age 30, Moyer didn’t look like he’d have much of a career (he was out of the majors in his age 30 season).
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
gorzy and moyer are both lefties
that were shaky at 28
Never compare Moyer to anyone
He is a freak like Maddux but a different way. It took him TEN years or so to be a good pitcher. Gorzo would be journeyman by the time
he gets good if you use that as bench marker.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHA
The Stros just released Russ Ortiz.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions
The Cubs knocked him out of the major leagues!
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man. I feel bad for him. Kosuke and Fox ought to buy him a steak and a beer tonight.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
i don't feel too bad
he’s made his money. if he wants to keep playing baseball he’ll catch on somewhere eventually.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, of course. But
it’s gotta be a terrible blow for his ego and his self-worth, dont’cha think?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Wow first Tavarez and now him.
We are just knocking people off now.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's due in Florida? Ricky Nolasco anyone?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Still waiting on an announcement
And I’m not logging off until there is one.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
on the pirates board
one person floated “vitters for grabow/gorzy?”
someone responded “i’m not sure we win that deal”
It better not be Vitters
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay
Jackson was pulled from his start
so there is one piece
On mlbtraderumors.com
4:47pm: ESPN Chicago says the Cubs sent pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to Pittsburgh for Grabow and Gorzelanny.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions
I like that
That’s fine by me.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
So both of today's starters
are no longer with their teams.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder the last time 2 pitchers faced each other
and immediatly after the game, both of their teams got rid of them.
(Astors released Ortiz after the game.)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
4:47pm: Ed Price, via Twitter, says the Cubs are also sending third baseman Josh Harrison.
"Stay thirsty my friends."
That's apparently true
He’s th only one I’ll miss, really.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Its Hart
and Ascaino
Hey BLOU- Guess you missed that one
I don't see the point of this.
Both of these guys suck. Why are we acquiring bad pitchers from last place teams?
Josh Harrison is in it too
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions
Harrison
has had a good year thus far, but with the depth the Cubs have at 2B he was expendable.
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
So let's see.
Hendry turned Freddy Bynum into Kevin Hart
and didn’t he turn Jacque Jones into Ascanio?
Hey, it's a new century!
Jones for Infante, then Infante for Ascanio
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should
Stop criticizing him,
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I would
If only he’d stop acquiring guys like Freddy Bynum in the first place
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but he got Bynum for John Koronka.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 30, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson
wasn’t pulled from his start, he was demoted?
and 3B Josh Harrison.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it. We gave up Harrison! F
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
i'll miss harrison
ascanio unneeded with bj ryan and stevens in the picture.
and hart is “a guy”
Hart could turn out to be a decent pitcher
Like you said, Ascanio really isn’t needed anymore.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
May I remind everyone that Hart's K/BB ratio was 13/18?
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
May I remind you
Most of those walks come from his first two starts.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
May I remind you
that Lou doesn’t like guys that walk a lot of guys. See Hill, Rich…..Cotts, Neal…..and Wuertz, Michael.
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
duly noted
going to be interesting if lou bothers to use him.
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Both starting pitchers basically got axed. Hilarious
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
So to sum up
Gorzelanny takes Ascanio’s place in rotation at Iowa, Marshall takes Hart’s place in the rotation, and BJ Ryan and Grabow become the left side of the bullpen.
So what happens to Marshall when Lilly comes back if Ryan doesn’t stink?
He stays in the rotation to replace whoever goes on the DL next
Yikes! Did I just say that?!?!
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
+ a potential leadoff guy
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
...who wouldn't be ready until 2013
at the very earliest, assuming a lot of things (he’s healthy, he can hit breaking balls, etc.)
DEJESUS!!!
Hey BLou
You can say that I was right and you were dead wrong at any time….
Must be tough for Hart
Win a game for a team in a the hunt for a playoff spot. Get cheered by 40,000 fans. Then you get traded to a team fighting for the lead in the race to be the worst organization in baseball. At least he avoids being demoted to the minors, as he surely would have been. He can keep his major league clock running and get out of Pittsburgh earlier now via free agency.
i think the only reason any veterans ever sign with pittsburgh is
that they know they only have to play their half a season and then they can be traded to a team in a pennant chase. i dont think it would be worth it to me. but then again i would only play for the cubs, for the league minimum.
dammit
i told myself not to spell there ‘their’ but i did it anyway. gahhh, i hate myself.
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