Hart & Ascanio for Grabow & Gorzelanny
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM CDT
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Per ESPN
4:50pm: The Pirates' return of Hart, Ascanio, and Harrison is confirmed by a press release from the Cubs.
4:47pm: ESPN Chicago says the Cubs sent pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to Pittsburgh for Grabow and Gorzelanny. Ed Price, via Twitter, says the Cubs are also sending third baseman Josh Harrison.
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id rather have hart or ascanio than gorz
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this deal
was more for Grabow than Gorzelanny. We got a lefty for the bullpen with Grabow now maybe Marshall can go into the rotation until Lilly comes back.
by TJ3117 on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but gorzelanny?
no thanks
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
grabow’s not great at getting lefties out. i don’t understand this deal one bit. nice job jim.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you really looked at his numbers?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are exactly correct
you don’t understand. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Talk about a Negative Nellie, jeez.
by socalbob on Jul 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times has Hart won 14 gamnes in a season in the bigs?
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just heard
well, thanks for the win today Hart. Now, go to Pittsburgh.
by TJ3117 on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh coming out on top in this trade?
I kinda feel that way.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's the A Ram Factor .. finally it's catching up to us
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart needs control. So does Ascanio
but both have great arms. The “G men” coming in… meh.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
pittsburgh just obliterated us.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to believe it
I need to be talked off the ledge here.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are joking
but I fear you are serious.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you should lie down until the feeling passes then
The Cubs needed another lefty in the pen and another starter. Grabow and Gorzelanny fit the bill better than Hart and Ascanio.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!
this is a great deal for the Cubs! What a steal IMO
by Glacier on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
claerlky you have not paid attention to
Unger and chilango, apparently the Cubs got hosed
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal alot!
Good job Hendry!!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what's to like?
a lefty reliever who can’t get lefties out and walks a lot of guys. and a lefty starter who can’t get anyone out and walks even more.
by John T. Unger on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Neil Cotts and Glendon Rusch?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzelanny has been good since he came back from his injury
If you can look past his injury riddled 2008 he’s a pretty quality pickup.
by Wreckard on Jul 31, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone give
me an idea of what we lost with Harrison? Don’t know much about him…
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6th round pick from last year...currently at Daytona...3b
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=harris006jos
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Harrison is included...
The Pittsburgh Pirates today announced that they have acquired right-handed pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio and infielder Josh Harrison from the Chicago Cubs organization in exchange for left-handed pitchers John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny. The announcement was made by Pirates Senior Vice President, General Manager Neal Huntington.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart pitches well...
Gets sent to the Pirates. Russ Ortiz sucks and gets released. Poor… Kevin?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Right?
Thanks for the W, Kevin. Here’s your plane ticket to Pittsburgh…
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes because Pittsburgh is building the New York Yankees' future
In a few years when Hart gets a better control of pitchs, he will get a chance to join the bigs and wear Yankee pinstripes. Tell then Hart will master his control down at the Yankees 4-A team.
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is worse no job or playing for the Pirates ?
Not sure of the answer
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny tibit
Russ Ortiz was released by the Astros. That means both starting pitchers for today’s game is not even on the team they started for today less than an hour after the game ended. That has to be a first.
by TJ3117 on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
And I am sure someone will fill in the blanks. I recall two teams making a trade of pitchers between a DH. The literally walked across the field to switch sides.
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by wild bill on Jul 31, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow and Gorzelanny both suck...
I’m just not seeing how people view this as a good trade.
by kanderber on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Lou had to have a LOOGY
It frees up Marshall and for that alone I support it.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LH hitters with a .275 BA against grabow
uhhh
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not a LOOGY.
Or, at least, not a very good one.
by kanderber on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow doesn't suck
3-0 3.42 ERA 2.46 BAA
In July
2.36 ERA .205 BAA 10 Apps
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A WHIP of 1.50 sucks.
He was decent last year, but has been below average the rest of his career.
by kanderber on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio didn't suck either
Higher ERA+ than Grabow this season. Guess Hendry/Lou felt we needed the lefty that badly.
by madcow256 on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio's WHIP was 1.76.
I would have liked to keep Hart though.
Plus Grabow was used to get 3 outs, with us I’m betting he’d be a LOOGY.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio has thrown 37 innings.
Grabow has throw TEN TIMES that. Kinda premature to draw conclusions on Ascanio.
But the point is, we acquired a below average pitcher for our bullpen. That, fundamentally, is stupid.
by kanderber on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would do you suggest we'd do if someone else gets hurt?
Just throw Mr. Ascanio back out there?
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by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hart has been really good this year
i dont see why they gave him up. god i hate hendry
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Really good"?
No, decent and kind of lucky. Or did you not notice the 18 walks in 27 innings?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 30, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison
I’m not happy to see Harrison involved. He looked good in Peoria this year.
by speed skater on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So?
What does that make him, three years away from the major leagues?
Time to start actually using our “prospects” rather than wasting them a la Felix Pie.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good idea
let me know when we start using them….
Gorz is Kevin Hart, so basically its Ascanio and Harrison for Grabow who is Scott Eyre 2.0
lou hated Scott Eyre…. and banished him
why wouldn’t he do the same with Grabow?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you saying Grabow is Eyre 2.0 doesn't make it so.
by Flatley on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
their numbers are almost identical for their careers
Eyre – 7.4 K/9, 4.6 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9, ERA+ of 105, WHIP 1.52
Grabow – 8.1 K/9, 4.1 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, ERA+ of 104, WHIP 1.45
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 30, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because you say he is not doesn't make it so either
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is gorz going to aaa?
or is he joining the team?
It's not about money. It's about winning and getting over the hump. We've had the appetizer now, but we left the main course on the table.
-rod beck
by laidbackliam on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Iowa, per CSN
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that just may be until Hart's spot in the rotation come up...
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Marshall takes the ball.
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by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we call up someone else.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better to leave Marshall in the pen
they need two LHs there. Gorzelanny will take Hart’s spot when needed.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 31, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Front page story now up.
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by Al on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good work Jimmy boy,
You just got hosed!
Gorzelanny is garbage and Grabow’s just a guy. Ascanio and Hart are already better than those guys. I don’t get it.
All to get Marshall to the rotation?
by dakoose on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Garbage?
Let’s see. “Garbage” won 14 games in the major leagues two years ago. Maybe he’s figured out what he did wrong last year. I think the Cubs got a great deal here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Gorzelanny has a ton of potential. 2nd round draft pick from 2003. Has some heat, pretty good slider and changeup. He just has to work on avoiding the big innings and I think he can be a very serviceable starter.
And Grabow is a great pickup for our pen.
by cufban2522 on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzelanny
Has been good with Triple A Pittsburgh club, from what I have heard. As Al said, maybe he figured out what was going on. I think this could turn out to be a nice little surprise for us.
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by SotoRiot on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a former Jayhawk
What’s not to love??? Rock Chalk Gorzy!!!
"Let's not get giggly." - Lou
by tdubcub on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzelanny was actually hurt last year
He’s been good this year since coming back. He put up excellent numbers in AAA.
This was a win for the Cubs; Grabow’s a type A free agent, Gorzelanny’s under club control for a few years year, and Hart and Ascanio don’t really strike me as guys with that high of an upside.
by Wreckard on Jul 31, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart has been more lucky than good since his "audition"...
Ascaino probably wasn’t going to see the majors the rest of the season.
We got a LOOGY, Marshall may move into starting rotation, Gorz is better than Hart if not.
I like it. Experience over youth. But the addition of a left hander in the bullpen is the key.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Hart’s been better his last two starts, but it’s not like the Cubs just traded the 2002 version of Mark Prior.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Grabow?
Isn’t he… 40?
I could really care less about Hart, but I though Ascanio had a decent future.
by Allie on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone cheer for the Pirates now?
They have traded the entire team away. MLB needs to take that team away from it’s owners! People wonder about 4-A players, they end up in Pittsburg. I can Scales and Fuld playing there soon!
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can see Scales and fuld playing there
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like a high price
I was kinda hoping Hart could replace Heilman (after Lilly got back). So much for that.
On the other hand, might be an instance of the Cubs selling high, for once.
by elgato on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They sold high on DeRosa
and look how much praise that got them around here.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they sold DeRosa when his value was high
But I think it could be argued that they got enough in return.
by elgato on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevens has shown he might be all right
and apparently the other two pitchers they received are doing fine in the minors. The final verdict on that deal can’t be rendered for a while.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Jeff Stevens is part of a World Series team.
I’ll chalk it up as a W.
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by Cub Style on Jul 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart has done nothing in his career to suggest he could be better than Heilman.
Gorzelanny has, and as for Grabow he, unlike anyone the Cubs gave up, has solid major league credentials. I like this trade. As you suggest, we might well have sold high.
by Inkin on Jul 30, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart is Heilman
just younger and cheaper.
Actually… Heilman may walk fewer guys.
by Allie on Jul 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart was fun to watch
He made the game interesting… In a bad way.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody rags on this post
even though there’s multiple fan shots on this, another fanpost on this, which did get harassed about the fan shots, no thoughts others than quotes from ESPN, and she used the “word word word” to reach the minimum words for a fanpost?
Because everybody knows who the OP is, right?
by Arbusto on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have deleted this...
… but it already had 21 comments when I saw it, so I decided to leave it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is a way to merge it or something be my guest
When I saw the news on traderumors I looked only on fan POSTS and there were NONE. yes there were many about the trade in GENERAL but who the players where was the question all day. Now it turns out that another fanpost had put the names in a few minutes before but you really can’t expect me to go through EVERY post , I only looked at the TITLES not the dozens of posts below. Also I did not see the fan shot because I was thinking fan POST. It is always a conflict between rushing to report breaking news and not trying to duplicate. kind of like the “first” thing. I certainly would not have posted if I had seen anything with Hart & Ascanio’s names. When I did I e mailed Al directly and said he could delete it but by then it had too many follow ups.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal
Gorzy can take Harts spot in the rotation for the while, and Grabow takes Sharks spot in the pen. If Gorzy fails, send him down, move Marshall to the rotation, and bring up beej from Iowa. Hart and Ascanio really aren’t needed anymore, so I don’t mind getting rid of them, the only one I’ll miss is Josh Harrison.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ ryan needs to be brought up in 15 days or be released
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From all accounts
he has not touched 90 with his heater yet.
Don’t know about his control…
by The E-Man on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has not touched 90 with his heater yet.
thats not good
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a source for that?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...uh...uh...no.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 31, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These summer interns just aren't working out.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Josh
Maybe he knows.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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