Canseco: A Current HOF-er Used Roids
Figured this was worth passing along...
"And I'll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who's used."
The first person to come to mind is the most recent inductee... Rickey. I can't think of any other HOF-ers that he played with off the top of my head, although I'm sure there are at least a couple.
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Guys he's played with
In terms of recent HOF vintage, Eckersley is the only one that clearly comes to mind. Maybe there’s another HOF or two that he played with slipping my mind (just to be clear, I’m just talking about folks Canseco played with … nothing else).
I think … that Canseco speaks the truth when he says that most of the players in the last few decades probably knowingly used something.
by toonsterwu on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Canseco doesn't specifically say that there is a HOFer of whom he has firsthand knowledge
As far as I’ve read, Canseco has not before mentioned juicers in baseball prior to himself, as he considers himself the Godfather. Assuming (yes, I know) that the player he’s alluding to played during his career, the list of names includes Rice, Rickey, Gossage, Ripken, Gwynn, Sandberg, Boggs, Molitor, Eck, Murray, Carter, O. Smith, Winfield, Puckett, Yount, Fisk, and Brett. That’s a pretty wide net.
But, it’s probable that Henderson is this person. As a timeline, this is the first time Canseco has suggested that there is someone already inducted that has yet to be revealed. Connecting some other dots, Canseco’s adamant that McGwire did not hide their steroid use on an Athletics team that included Rickey. Rickey was also on 1996 and ‘97 Padres teams that included Ken Caminiti, a 2000 Mariners team that included ARod, a 2002 RedSox team that included M. Ramierez, and a 2003 Dodgers team that included Gagne and LoDuca (and Koyie Hill ;-) These are the big names that have been outed long ago on rosters that included Rickey, and I’m probably missing others.
I’m confused whether Canseco is implying that MLB already knows of this HOFer and is trying to cover its own ass, or MLB doesn’t know and it’s someone Jose knows and isn’t sharing. The latter is unlikely b/c this person would be unique in this respect.
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by section229beer on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
In my timeline, I forgot that Rickey also played on 1995 and 1998 Athletic teams that included Giambi and Tejada.
No other HOFer played with as many notorious steroid users for such an extended period. For a person who wanted so badly to be known as the best ever, Rickey played in the center of a storm.
I’m not saying… I’m just sayin’.
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry again,
1999 Mets, including Todd Pratt, had a former clubhouse attendant hanging around by the name of Kirk Radomski.
That, circumstantially, connects Rickey w/ steroids from 1989-2003.
If this is more than circumstance, I don’t think Jose is a loud-mouth nor talking before his brain catches up, contrary to what people are suggesting below. His goal is to make MLB look stupid and shady because he was black-balled. Canseco’s certainly gotten the ball rolling again, and he’s giving people an opportunity to say what they need to say.
As for Rickey, he’s enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame. What’s he got to lose?
I like to think of this mess as a kid trying to cover up that s/he wet the bed. While MLB and MLBPA want to throw a blanket over the bed and hope that everything dries before they go to sleep the following night, Canseco is pointing out that the pajamas are wet and the room smells like pee. In any case, the pee is soaking through the sheets, the mattress, and the blanket.
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
if Canseco moved next door to you, your lawn would die. Just the antithesis of what a professional athlete should be, character wise.
by ChicagoRobb on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you would have to mow your lawn four times a week.
What do you mean “antithesis of a professional athlete”?
Canseco was trying to find, and found, something that gave him a mental and physical edge in order to be the best at his sport and make more money. He was overly concerned with his physique, spent most of his time working out, and avoided recreational drugs, alcohol, and smoking. His hobbies included driving fast cars and dating hot women. He feels railroaded by professional baseball, and is THE person that has blown the Steroid whistle. To date, what he’s said has proved true.
What else do you want him to be? Is it the needles in the butt that is most bothersome? He’s not the Jerry Garcia of Steroids, where Jerry allegedly ran around dosing unknowing folks with LSD. He opened a pandora’s box of modern medicine, which general modern day society is convinced is unethical, and he gets these labels.
The whole point of his second book Vindicated is, paraphrasing, “I am whoever you say I am, and I am whoever you want me to be. But, I am not a liar.”
There’s no heroes without villains, and what we read and hear and see about baseball players in the media is not absolute truth. As a professional athlete, as an entertainer, and as an author, Canseco’s exactly what I want. In a similar vein, this is why I like Milton Bradley.
Jose Canseco has not and will not move in next to you, so why pretend that you’re morally better?
/end rant
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'm not his biggest fan
But at least he’s honest about his cheating. There are at least 103 people (from a single year alone) that didn’t have that decency. Would you prefer any of them be your neighbors instead?
by madcow256 on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these same 103 also black balled Canseco
saying he was a liar. Yet everytime he says something about steroids, he seems to be spot on.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as HELL would take Jose Canseco's word over....
Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens…
The guy is the ONLY one who’s man enough to actually fess up to what he did…besides Andy Pettite the whiny baby boy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
His motive$ aren’t alway$ clear, but he’s been pretty spot on with all the names so far. People want to bash his credibility, he’s the only one out of this mess with an ounce of credibility, and that includes Selig and the owners.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 31, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it is more than $$$$$$$
there is a revenge factor, wiht all of MLB saying he was full of it when he started talking about it, and then black balling him out of MLB.
Didnt Ken Caminiti come clean as well?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
He admitted to steroids as well as having a drug problem. Died at 41 I believe.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 1, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think it would be Rickey
Because if it was anyone else, Canseco would have said something.
Rickey was just inducted and he also defied nature by playing forever.
I wouldn’t rule out Rice as dabbling in it, though.
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by Worf on Jul 31, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Canseco is indicting Rickey Henderson
It’s fairly damned obvious who he is pointing fingers at.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But why not come out and say that?
Usually Canseco erects a billboard that has a players name on it.
Too soon after Rickey’s induction? Friendship?
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see below
once again BLou is wrong with his statement of truth
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Canseco has been clear that he’s not out for the players, so I’m not sure he’d ever publicly acknowledge another player unless he has some issue with them, and to my best recollection of the bash brothers days, Jose and Rickey were friend … ly I think.
Breaking my own comment on speculation, there’s a guy on the HOF list that stands out to me in regards to
a) Where his career was headed
b) Some past incidents on his personal side
c) Teams he was on
That sort of gives it away at who I think he was hinting at, but whatever. I’m not going to be a stickler to my own comment I guess. Tis a message board and I changed my mind.
by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up Jose
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't handle the truth
I’ll keep buying his books and repeating what he says. He’s an example to all the rats that feel like they’ve gotten away with millions, who lie and lie and lie about it, and then say “Shut up Jose.” (see: Clemens, Bonds)
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong here
I want to know who these people are, but Canseco must take everyone down with him. He should just stop saying things like this.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when these players
went public with MLB and MLBPA saying he was full of shit, can you blame him? He has been right time adn time again, and neither the players, MLB execs, or MLBPA can anyone of us blame Canseco? If your coworkers, employer and Union all turned their back on you, you (me, and everyone else on here) would seem bitter as you parade their negatives around.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and neither the players, MLB execs, or MLBPA
should read
and neither the players, MLB execs, or MLBPA has backed him up when he continues to prove he was not full of shit.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't really mean much
but Canseco did come out and basically say that it wasn’t Rickey Henderson he was referring to. From USA Today
“I have no knowledge of Rickey using steroids in any manner, shape or form,” Canseco said in an interview with 950 ESPN radio in Philadelphia.
Canseco added that if the list of 104 players who tested positive for PEDs in 2003 ever comes out, MLB is “going to be in a big Catch-22.”
I have my guesses, but at this point, I really don’t know if I care that much about guessing. We’ll probably find out some rumor at who he was hinting at sooner than later.
by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but Rickey Henderson, along with every other starting or reserve outfielder from the 1990 A's used steroids.
Canseco was covering his ass by later saying it wasn’t Rickey, but it should be obvious. He had the late power spike, added girth, and every other clue. Eckersley probably also used so Canseco doesn’t have to be specific on who.
Another point I always try to stress. The list of 104 from 2003 shouldn’t be exonerate anyone. These were only the people careless enough to fail a test for specific substances and at a specific time both of which they knew were coming. I’m sure plenty more were smart enough to just try a little bit to test clean for their own self-interest in terms of putting off future testing.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not disagreeing with that
was just noting a comment Jose made, although personally, I don’t think he was referencing Rickey. He’s been clear in trying not to damage guys he doesn’t have a beef with, and this was Rickey’s weekend. I think he was referencing someone in the hall already.
by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as Jose is a POS
He has been dead on about every single name. He knows what he’s talking about even if he isn’t a great person.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and water is wet. So?
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by cubnational on Jul 31, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jose is not the brightest bulb in the box
He’s indicting Rickey Henderson. Make no mistake. He might say he doesn’t mean Rickey and the two have a friendship, but it is definitely Rickey his pea-brain is referencing. His mouth overruns his brain sometimes.
Whether Rickey was on roids is something I have no idea on.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jose Canseco might just make the Hall of Fame as the steroid rat.
Someone has to do it.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so quick...
To think it’s Ricky Henderson? Steroids have been in American sports since the 70’s, probably earlier. The great Steelers teams of the 70’s were filled with users, what makes us think that there weren’t a few players that used in MLB?
If you take a look at the HOF, it could really be anyone that played in the 80’s and 90’s that could’ve dabbled in the stuff. I personally don’t care and am sick of hearing about this, but I think it’s unfair to single out Ricky Henderson.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 1, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
it was his weekend. let him have his moment – irrespective of how one thinks, Rickey did have a huge part in MLB history and until we know more, he was a deserving nod based on the facts at hand.
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