Peavy to Chicago... Again
Just the wrong side of town...
SI's Jon Heyman is reporting Jake Peavy traded to White Sox for minor leaguers... you've got to be kidding me.
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he said yes to goin to the White Sox they have to be the stupidest franchise ever. Trading for a guy who 2 months ago turned you down, and also he is hurt and could be out for the yr.
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by Eric16 on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Sox apparently gave up 4 minor leaguers for a guy who might not even pitch again… I REALLY want to know what made him waive his NTC this time though… maybe the Cubs should have asked twice ;-)
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This from MLBTR
4:12pm: Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, told Tom Krasovic that his client accepted the deal because there was no guarantee that the Cubs and Dodgers, Peavy’s preferred teams, would have made a move for the righty in the offseason. Axelrod knows Peavy’s contract no longer looks like a bargain, so he says he wasn’t expecting a deal.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jul 31, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn.
Might not pitch again this year. Might not be good when he’s back, and is going from an outstanding pitcher’s park to a launching pad.
The Sox are really rolling the dice here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who cares....
I agree with AL.
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al's wrong and he knows it
Kenny’s got the balls to pull this move off. Good for him and his team. Buehrle, Peavy, Floyd & Danks….as good as the Cubs top 4.
I highly doubt deep goat has access to Peavy’s medical records.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not DG's opinion, it's mine.
The Sox gave up an awful lot for a chance on Peavy. Who will NOT be as good with the Cell as his home park.
Book it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
His stats are VERY padded from the Cat Box or whatever you want to call it. Moving to the AL which IS the better league right now, facing more hitters, especially in the launching pad that is US. Cellular field will not help him at all
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clayton Richard love
Clayton Richard probably never had any idea the respect and admiration that Cubbie fans have for him, suddenly.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
plus he wont pitch for how long still? Isnt he hurting right now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who did we give up?
take a step back and rethink this.
Richard – 4-5th starter
Poreda – future is most likely as a closer due to not having any secondary pitches
Carter – this one stings, but he will probably end up as a reliever
Russell – Masset
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emotional rescue...
Many of the posts here are not reasons, facts and logic it’s guttural emotions, the main one being bitter jealousy.
The same people who are searching negatives on this Sox deal would be glossy-eyed and fawning over Jimbo Hendry if he had made a similar deal to land Peavy.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well put
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come I hardly see you post on SSS?
Did larry bite you?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My pattern...
I post mainly on White Sox Interactive, the old Sox newsgroup and I contribute occasionally on a couple other sites. Regarding SSS, it’s tough to be everywhere.
Al Yellon used to post on the Cubs NG regularly but like most Cubbie fans he’s abandoned the NG. The Sox group is still active and I enjoy it’s freewheeling democratic nature. If folks here want to moan about “trolls” then they ought to take a look at the vile Cubbie troll’s posts in the Sox NG.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 2, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, you can search my prior posts if you wish
I was against him coming to the Cubs as well. I wish him and the Sox the best, they are not my concern right now.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your track record ...
… when discussing Sox trades, or the Sox in general, is not good. Need I break out the book?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there a reason why you keep bringing up the Sox/Cubs thing?
Are you forgetting his injury or his high era away from Petco? You seem to look past those.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or his insane contract remaining
just curious, does the NTC remain with the trade or does it only count the first time PV accepts a trade, and if he is easier to trade now, how long does he remain a Sox (after this season) due to his contract?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who the last guy was
that was traded on the DL… can’t be a regular occurrence…
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our old friend Sean Gallagher earlier this year for Hairston.
Commish Office just needs to approve that kind of thing
by Glacier on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Gally on the DL when that trade went down though?
I did see that he won’t be sent until he comes off the DL… I wonder if it’s the same w/ Peavy…
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRUUUUUCE Levine had it on ESPN1000
Richard, Porada and 2 minor leaguers going to SD. More details right now on ESPN1000.
Bruce says Peavy has been rehabbing and doing OK. ETA was not mentioned when he was just on ESPN1000.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap they gave up Richard?
Wow… that is REALLY surprising.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wait to see
if Peavy actually accepted that trade… he does have a no trade clause if I’m correct????
Al do you remember Peavy’s Trade Clause?
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he already agreed to the trade
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he did waive his no trade and accepted it
Maybe he heard Chicago has a nicer Jacuzzi to sit in the rest of the year…?
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a player with a NTC be traded through the waivers? Just curious.
by thehat34 on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED US, PV????
WHY!?!?!?
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IT'S HAPPENING!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY HEART BREAKING IS WHATS HAPPENING
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an outstanding trade
Kenny Williams is a gunslinger. And all I know is that man VERY, VERY RARELY trades away young talent / prospects that he lives to regret. Aaron Poreda is a nice pitcher, but most experts think he is best suited for relief duty. Clayton Richard is a back of the rotation type starting pitcher. Meanwhile Jake Peavy is a true ace when he is healthy. And by all indications he is on the rode to health.
The Sox are built to win now and are going for it. And they have $32 million of annual contract dough coming off the books after this season. Peavy is a great acquisition.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile Jake Peavy is a true ace when he is healthy.
Yup… you hit the nail on the head. The Sox gave away their fifth starter, and 3 other players for a guy to sit in a hot tub and stretch for 3 hours a day. Well done, Kenny. Maybe the spirit of him being on the team will motivate them to victory!
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Pitchers get hurt, and there is nothing to indicate that Peavy’s injury is career threatening in the least bit. Peavy is one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball and signed for 3 years. This is an amazingly great addition by the Sox and gives them an enviable starting rotation now and in the future. And they gave up a 5th starter type and a bullpen arm.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on!
As I said above, I wonder if Clayton Richard is aware of all the respect and admiration that Cubbie fans have for him, suddenly.
Clayton Richard had a very good start on Sunday night against the Tigers, but he’s also been a punching bag this season.
This trade is mainly for next year. It’s not a “white flag” trade ‘cos it surely doesn’t hurt them much this year.
Buehrle
Peavy
Danks
Floyd
That’s a damn good 1-4!
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But hes leaving one of the best pitchers parks
To go the AL and the launching pad that is US Cellular
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 31, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
… are you admitting (the obvious) that the AL is stronger than the NL?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would assume so
a DH tends to hit more than a pitcher
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said nothing of the sort.
All he said is that the Cell is a better hitter’s park than Petco.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but of course it is
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
How you morphed that into “the AL is stronger than the NL” is beyond me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mucho...
… of the discussion about Peavy has been regarding his reluctance to pitch in the AL. I guess that was because he disliked changing to a vowel league and had nothing to do with the AL being the powerhouse league.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he likes to bat.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or is more familiar with
the NL style of play and ballparks
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup...
They have a solid (and young) 1-4 in the rotation.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw your signature. Glad you admit to hoping the Cardinals win the division because you want to be able to crow about how you predicted it.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 31, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This gives them a real nice rotation for the forseeable future.
Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, etc. is strong. I like the move.
by dakoose on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is as strong a foursome as there is in baseball
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, some negativity just 'cuz he's not coming here?
Wow, the guy’s injured and there’s some here thinking he might not get back to his old form. Wow, what hard feelings. The Sox are doing this to solidify a young [starting] pitching staff that’s locked up for a few years (Buehrle, Danks, Floyd…) Peavy may not help them get past the Twinkies and Cats this season but when has Kenny Williams ever sat on his ass waiting for something to come to him? He’s got the balls to make moves and once already those moves worked. They call that the 2005 WS Champions.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just question the deal happening now and not before...
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before, he wasn't injured...
Before, there were other potential trade partners. Then he got injured. Perhaps that was his turning point.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
It’s just like a girl turning you down, and then finally going on a date w/ you after she slept w/ the whole football team and got every disease possible… I wouldn’t trust the guy.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is there to "trust"????
He’s been traded, and to get traded he had to waive his no-trade clause.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's certainly a different slant
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah, but it's kinda true
Jake didn’t accept the trade until he was hurt… maybe he sees a better future in Chicago now, but still… it’s a little shady he wouldn’t take the trade when he was pitching.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a sprained ankle dipshit
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly why I avoid your posts for the most part
It’s never about the debate itself, it’s about attacking the person and not their opinion.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember what Brian Urlacher called Cutler or didn't
BLou is that.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urlacher is the p----
Overpaid, over-rated. I got 2 words why he was so good years ago: Ted Washington
Lance Briggs is a better LB
As for BLou, I won’t comment on him.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urlacher is a declining football player.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the reason he was
so “good” before was the pressure from the D-line, no coincidence before they went to cover-2.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, BLou:
KNOCK OFF THE NAMECALLING NOW!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm... no, not exactly
He tore a tendon in the ankle. That’s not a sprain. A sprain is an injury to a ligament.
by hmlee on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLou: You're wrong and you're hating on the Sox cause you're a Cubs fan.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can sprain a tendon
and that is what Peavy’s diagnosis was. Keep in mind that he pitched three games after the injury occurred, which is all the evidence you need that this injury is not career, or even season threatening.
by azjazzman on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he thought there were other
maybe even perhaps better options. When those didn’t happen…..
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL this is why this could be a bad deal
Pay attention to the home/road splits
Link
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extreme sour grapes
The Sox engineer a trade for a bonafide ace and didn’t give up superstar in the making Gordon Beckham to get it done. Yet Cub fans want to shit on the deal.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're an idiot. I point out facts.
And SHUT THE HELL UP
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd question this trade if it were any player to any team
It’s not who is involved, it’s why it was done and how it helps the team win this year… I just don’t see how adding Peavy is going to help the Sox win games in 2009 and in turn get fans in the seats, as their ownership is so keen to say.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the Sox should abstain from adding an ACE starting pitcher because you say he isn't going to help them win games
Lovely stuff. Shit on a Sox franchise that has WON a World Series and a division title in the last five years and is well poised to make another great run at the playoffs in 2009.
Peavy isn’t good enough. Idiot.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me his road/home splits dipshit.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know why you used that term.
Don’t lower yourself to his level.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Crapping) on the Sox...
… is the M.O. for many Cubbie fans but of course it’s those Sox fans who have “a chip on their shoulders.”
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jul 31, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cuz there's always a stat to reference
that will refute any arguement BLou. You know that, I know that, we all know that.
The thing is statistics never lie, liars use statistics.
Good move for [brass-balls] Kenny.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ERA 1 point higher
With 1 K/9 less, and numerous other stats lower… but PETCO is notoriously pitcher friendly… splits for any SD pitcher (even fat ass Wells) probably look about the same.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Jake Peavy is a real turd
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count out the Coop factor
he can help good pitchers become great
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good deal because he is signed with them for 3 more years.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He also has
full no trade protection through 2010 and partial 2011 & 2012. Don’t yet know the status of his 2013 option yet. Word was (months ago) he’d OK a trade if the receiving team picked up his $22M 2013 option. I don’t know however if that is still true.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those rumor sites said SD might be eating some of the contract...
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard it yet
Though typing here I’m not 100% tuned into ESPN1000 even though it’s on, it’s clear and they just had yet another sportscentre update.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way. SD will NOT eat a contract
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard yet
no numbers have been exchanged on that front.
Only NTC protection: Full 2010, partion 2011-2012.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Nightengale (see MLBTR) mentioned the Sox are paying the full amt through 2012, approx $56M. That amt IIRC would include the $4M buyout going into 2013. Should they pick that up, it’s $18M more than the buyout or $22M for 2013.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Do you come on here BLou? Just to be negative? Say the opposite of someone else, just for the sake of argument?
by AGC on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blou: Sox move that I like. Everybody must like the move cause i like it.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets ripped alot
but this time, the Sox did themselves good. It may not help them this season but with Buehrle, Floyd and Danks already there, they have a chance to have a really good 1-4 rotation for 2010-2012.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he gets ripped cause he attacks people that don't agree with him.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, Kennys got balls. OMG BALLS OMG.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, brass ones...
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So summation...
The resident dipshits want to mock Kenny Williams for trading a 5th starter type and three pitching prospects for an ace pitcher who is currently sidelined with a sprained ankle.
This is classic material !!! And then to spin it further then want to make the argument about me.
If the Cubs would have traded the equivalent of Clayton Richard (Kevin Hart), Aaron Poreda (Sean Marshall) and two minor league prospects for Jake Peavy there would be a million man march of ectasy on Wrigley FIeld.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Answer me this question.
When, exactly, is Jake Peavy going to pitch again? Next year?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few weeks????
My God Al, the White Sox just acquired Jake Peavy and his sprained friggin ankle in a favorable deal to help them in 2009 and for the next three years. They just added a 28 year old ACE to one of the best young starting threesomes in the game.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For which they are paying ungodly sums of money...
… to get a pitcher who doesn’t throw well away from Petco Park.
They will regret this deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then
If similar deal were engineered by Jim Hendry instead you would be peeing your pants in delight along with eighty zillion other Cub fans, myself included.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't want PEAVY..............................................................................................................
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want him either...
… for the reasons I’ve articulated here many times before. Too expensive, and mediocre outside of Petco.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Al was against the Peavy deal from the start or soon afterwards. Al is not backtracking.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 1, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking out the book...
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha lets see it!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I leave it closed...
… for now.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some Sox fans aren't happy with this trade. Are you going to scream and cry about that too?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
… Richard is a better pitcher than Hart.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then the verdict is in...
Al Yellon mocks the Jake Peavy deal too. Kenny Williams and his World Series trophy in his office are idiots. How dare he trade Clayton Friggin Richard. The same Clayton Richard who has been routinenly lit up like a Christmas tree this season.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lord of baseball, can you address my home/road concerns of legend/god/ace Jake Peavy?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Jake Peavy is pitching garbage. Just as soon as he gets out of Petco he will devolve into Jeff Suppan. The Padres fleeced the White Sox.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I believe they have.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why can't you address the splits? You have ignored them every time.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of idle curiosity
what’s his run support in those same games? Better, same, worse? Just curious.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is purely a guess but the run support has to be higher on the road.
The Padres can not score at home.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home/road splits are pretty common for any pitcher
Lot of his games are in the AL West, two of the more hitter-friendly parks in that division.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's one of four pitchers who have a difference of a 1 run between their home and road.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know how many games Peavy has thrown in the AL West parks in his career?
Three. One in Anaheim, two in Seattle. He is 2-1 with a 1.17 ERA, 23 innings, pretty small sample size.
Maybe you meant the NL West. Lifetime ERA 3.08 in Dodger Stadium, 4.06 in AT&T Park, 4.59 in Coors Field, 5.77 in Chase Field. Pretty bad.
More importantly, how has he pitched in AL Central parks? He has never pitched in his new home park, the Cell, nor in the Metrodome (and he probably won’t pitch there).
In the other three — KC, Cleveland and Detroit — he has three lifetime starts. Record: 1-2 with a 6.14 ERA in 14.2 innings, very small sample size. Detroit is a good pitcher’s park, the others more neutral.
As I have repeatedly said, Peavy outside of Petco is league-average. That’s fine, but it’s not worth that kind of money.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got an ERA of 3.84 on the road
That’s a little better than league average. NL was 4.21 last year. I do get your point though.
by madcow256 on Jul 31, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some perspective
Let’s keep in mind that these are the same people who were denigrating the trade the Cardinals made for Matt Holliday recently. “He can’t hit away from Coors Field”, etc.
All Holliday has done since the Cardinals have picked him up is hit .587, OPS of 1.440, have two 4 hit games and strongly contribute to several wins.
Yeah, that was a bad deal the Cardinals made. Sour grapes, indeed.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a week. Look at the week Theriot had a few weeks ago.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 1, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sour
Grapes. Holliday is a great young hitter…everybody in baseball except for the posters on here know this. The Cardinals did not give up four prospects, including their #1 prospect because they are stupid.
Comparing him to an overachieving smurf like Theriot is laughable. Let’s look at the numbers for a full season and then we can talk.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think Holliday is going to hit like that for the rest of the season?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to
the correct question is, will Holliday provide solid protection for Pujols in the Cardinals batting order, which is the reason the Cardinals acquired him. The answer is an emphatic yes.
Despite what you and other sour grapers think, the other clubs in the National League know what you seem unable to accept – that Matt Holliday is one of the best young hitting talents in baseball and is one of those guys, who in scouting reports is listed under “Don’t let this guy beat you”. Unfortunately for Cardinals opponents, they now have two guys who come under that heading hitting back to back. Pick your poison, you can’t pitch around both of them.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLou Strategy 101...
When someone clearly proves you are incapable of supporting your own argument, and the owner/moderator of the site tells you to stop, post a new comment at the bottom of the thread hoping people ignore your idiotic statements above.
Bravo, sir.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I have utterly failed in defending Jake Peavy. In truth, he is a 28 year old piece of pitching garbage. San Diego just fleeced the White Sox.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just support your opinion
I don’t have a problem with you, but seriously you’ll get a lot more credit if you just defend your opinion, support it with facts, and don’t call people names… that’s an obvious sign of arguing from ignorance and immediately discredits ANYTHING you have to say… we can ALL play nice on here. If you quit attacking people and just post your opinion, people will stop getting upset with you.
by lswaidz on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have to side with Blou
Wow this is probably how the Cutler trade was debated on the day of the trade!!! After its all said and done people are probably going to say how on earth did they get peavy, plus if peavy had hurt his ankle as a sox then is it a busted trade
Hector Villanueva ate himself out of the big leagues, He was a Big Big leaguer
by Adam Uhlhorn on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to rec this
rofl!!!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Then Yes. I dont get it
Was he really wanting to play for another team (fill in the Blank) then when nobody else ponied up he said ok I will play for the White sox, How do you veto and then say ok later. I like the jacuzzi theory though. It sounds like the movie Major League and the padres brass has quit paying for heating the Jacuzzi’s.
Hector Villanueva ate himself out of the big leagues, He was a Big Big leaguer
by Adam Uhlhorn on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Update on MLB Rumors is interesting...
4:12pm: Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, told Tom Krasovic that his client accepted the deal because there was no guarantee that the Cubs and Dodgers, Peavy’s preferred teams, would have made a move for the righty in the offseason. Axelrod knows Peavy’s contract no longer looks like a bargain, so he says he wasn’t expecting a deal.
“Frankly I am flabbergasted that the White Sox would want to make this deal with him in his physical condition,” Axelrod said.
Pretty sure I probably messed up that block quote
by lji001 on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw that
If Peavy’s agent is surprised he was traded in his physical condition, that suggests he’s not just around the corner from returning.
by hmlee on Jul 31, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Bruce Levine’s sources say early Sept…
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I mentioned in a previous statement
His “other” options (probably better in his opinion, Plans A & B) were not guaranteed. So he went with plan C.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clear up his
injury issue…It is not really a sprained ankle as some folks have reported in this thread. It is tear in tendon of his right ankle. It sounds a little more serious than a sprained ankle. However, I am not a doctor so may I am off base here. I did stay at a holiday inn express last night so maybe I am qualified
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 31, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice finish there
I heard “tear” also. Waaaaay more serious. So it’s up to how much and where in the ankle, which ankle and how it affects his throwing. Just like Lilly’s knee and Demp’s toe. Where is it and how bad is it. That’s what will affect how long it takes for him to get back to his previous level.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming back too early from an injury like that...
… can really screw up your arm. If I were Peavy, I’d just cash in this season and try to get ready for spring training.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see
what the prognosis is and how it affects this season. But really I don’t care; he’s not making Clark and Addison his home so frankly I don’t really give a crap until he faces the Cubs.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
has bloody sock written all over it. In the throws of a pennant race, Peavy trots out to the mound with a stiched up ankle and wins the division for the sox.
I kid, I kid
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 31, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as it turns out, peavy bleeds white, not red
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much the "tear" part
as the “tendon” vs. “ligament” part. An ankle sprain could technically be a tearing of a ligament, in a severe case. Peavy’s injury is more akin to an injury to your achilles heel. Painful, long rehab time, and no certainty that without surgery the tendon will get back to its previous level of strength. This could be something that haunts him for years to come a la Roy Oswalt’s back problems.
by hmlee on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
grammar fail…sorry about that
“However, I am not a doctor so I might be way off base here”
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a strained tendon
not a tear. HUGE difference. He was projected to return to the Padres rotation in mid-August as of 10 days ago.
by azjazzman on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MRI/Prognosis
the MRI revealed “longitudinal tearing in the posterior tibialis tendon in his right ankle”
As for the prognosis, Stephania says it all depends on how well the tendon heals while Peavy is in the solid cast. “The best case scenario is they see evidence of tissue healing when they re-examine him. He progresses to a walking boot (where he can also resume direct therapy), then a normal shoe, then resumes baseball activity gradually; that’s the 8-12 weeks (i.e., maybe September). The worst case scenario is if the tendon does not repair itself and ends up requiring some sort of surgical intervention. The time frame would need to be re-evaluated at that point, but it would be clearly season-ending.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/baseball/flb/outOfTheBox?page=ootb090614
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On ESPN Sports Center last night
in a report on the trade, it was reiterated TWICE that Peavy had a strained tendon and that he was expecting to return by the end of the month. There was an sound bite from Peavy himself saying he “saw no reason why he wouldn’t be back pitching within a month.”
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
longitudinal TEARING in the posterior tibialis tendon in his right ankle
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fail.
Your source is 6 weeks old and mine is less than 24 hours old.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a tear 6 weeks ago isn't a tear now?
little stupid
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever hear
of a misdiagnosis? Or the possibility that it was such a small tear that has healed in the 6 weeks?
A little stubborn – why do you continue to ignore what PEAVY HIMSELF has said?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't misdiagnose a tear with a strain
That doesn’t happen, especially to pro sports players. If you rush him through this injury his ankle might have permanent damage.
http://www.northcoastfootcare.com/blog/jake-peavys-posterior-tibialis-tendon-tear/
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as someone who
had a tendon tear in his ankle that was misdiagnosed, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you.
But, here is the real point: The White Sox just acquired a player who they will pay tens of millions of dollars over the next few years. Do you really think they did so without the benefit of top notch medical information? Do you really think that all the reports yesterday that Peavy’s injury was a strained tendon and that he would be back on the mound in a few weeks was deliberately false information?
Jesus, you guys are unbelievable. It must be amazing to seriously believe that you are smarter than the people who get paid big bucks to make these sort of evaluations.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have had a tendon tear in your ankle, and it was misdiagnosed?
REALLY???
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
BTW, the usual way of dealing with a torn ankle tendon is surgical repair. Have you medical dummies asked yourself why this wasn’t done with Peavy?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sour Grapes...
They don’t send their guys to Dr. Jackoff. It’s top notch medical teams that diagnose these players especially guys like Peavy. Why don’t you think about this? They want him for the stretch run, Peavy said he’ll play through the injury, and they don’t want the fans to get mad so they say it’s a strain. Honestly that’s just as likely as a misdiagnosed tear.
By the way I see no reports that he’ll be back soon. Can you provide a link?
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
“As for the possibility of being ready by late August, when the Sox embark on an 11-game trip to Boston, New York, Minnesota and Wrigley Field, “I don’t see why it couldn’t be accomplished. Like I said, I’ve done everything pain free.”
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Jake Peavy is now a doctor?
Being pain free isn’t the big green light that everything is ok. He’s on the right track, that’s for sure. But until I hear a doctor say he’s good to go, I wouldn’t buy it.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
he has the best medical treatment there is, and he says he sees no reason he can’t return within a month. That strongly suggests that is what he is hearing from the Drs does it not?
Who said Peavy was a Dr.? He said he has no pain and should be ready to go soon and why would he say that if the Drs were saying something different?
Why do you persist in making yourself look foolish?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Originally he's was slated for a September comeback.
Why wouldn’t he think that he could just comeback a little early? A common man may think that if there’s no pain it may be fixed, that’s not always the case though. I want to see the doctors ok his comeback.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
you know as well as I do that the Dr won’t give the green light until the time comes. They clearly have told Peavy that he is on track to come back within a few weeks.
Things change…that is why it is silly to keep posting things from 7 weeks ago. Peavy yesterday described the situation as it exists NOW, which you guys seem so determined to discredit, which only makes you look foolish.
It might look different in a few weeks, that is how these things work. But in his press conference, Jake addressed what the prognosis is today, and was very clear about it. End of story.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
original prognosis was a September comeback. Now, they are saying 3-4 weeks, which is pretty much the same thing.
So, tell me why people on here were describing his injury as season or career ending yesterday when the trade was announced? When did anybody with knowledge of his condition say that? Don’t you think that is a little over the top?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I thought it COULD be season ending.
Doesn’t mean he would be out for the season for sure, but I was expecting him to be back around early September. I thought that if it were season ending it would require a set back, he’s obviously progressing very well so I think that the probability of it being season ending is less than 10%.
I did not know of his changed expected date of return until you made it clear to me.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since ongoing pain
is the strongest indicator of the need for surgical intervention, I would say at this point it is unlikely he would need that.
Of course, the strain means the entire structure of the foot support system has been weakened, which is why rehab is so important.
Re-injury is always a possibility, and of course should that happen, surgery would most likely result – but one cannot predict the likelihood of that at this point.
by azjazzman on Aug 3, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
[quote]“They think they can avoid surgery with a cast and conservative treatment,” Peavy’s longtime agent Barry Axelrod said by phone. Though, the mere mention of surgery as a possibility, even a remote one, has to be a scary thought for the Padres.[/quote]
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/06/16/padres.peavy/index.html?eref=si_mlb
Enjoy Peavy and his bad mechanics! I did like Peavy before he got hurt and before I actually looked at his mechanics.
bottom line on Jake Peavy is that I don’t think his recent elbow problems are a fluke or something that he will just breeze through. Rather, I think they are a symptom of a more serious and fundamental problem that may well derail his career.[/quote]http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ProfessionalPitcherAnalyses/JakePeavy.html
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
What are your qualifications as a baseball scout or expert on pitching mechanics?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give pitching lessons at a local baseball training complex sometimes.
If I have some free time I slot in a week of available lessons.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note that this SI article
is 7 weeks old. The quote from Peavy saying that he is “pain free” was yesterday.
Peavy’s done pretty well the past 8 years with his “bad mechanics”.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You asked why he hadn't gotten surgery...
I answered with it.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I didn't
I was merely pointing out that the fact that he did not have surgery as evidence that whatever tear may have existed originally was not deemed that serious.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I look foolish?
They said in the quote that they were going the route of a “a cast and conservative treatment”. He could still have the tear, they just decided on a treatment that would get him on the field faster.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now, 7 weeks later
They are saying that the injury is a strain, and that he is pain free throwing off flat ground and is 3-4 weeks away from returning.
That implies that the tear has healed and the cast/boot for immobilization was an effective treatment. Why do you and others feel the need to spin this some other way? It really makes one wonder…
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think one way or another he'll need surgery.
Whether it be now or in the offseason. Off the top of my head I can remember a few situations where the player takes a conservative approach instead of sacrificing his season and then getting surgery in the offseason. But by the time he is scheduled to return and the Sox have fallen out(POSSIBLE, not saying they will and I would like them to stay in it, I like to see them do well), I wouldn’t doubt the Sox shut him down and have him get the surgery. Or at least that would be the logical approach for next season.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Chris O'Leary guy
is a joke. http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/WhoIAmAndHowIGotHere.html
Baseball Credibility = Zero
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's respected in the communty of pitching mechanics.
He is a “Internet Guru”. Oh and by the way, he worked with the Marlins in Spring Training as a “Pitching Advisor”
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell you even led me to the quote.
“Major League Baseball Experience
In June of 2008 I concluded my second year of consulting with a major league baseball team. I’m sorry, but I can’t say who it is, but I can say that I am helping them evaluate pitchers that they are interested in drafting or signing. The goal is to help them identify pitchers with problematic mechanics who should either be avoided or regarded with caution. It’s pretty interesting work.
I also know a number of scouts and other people in other major league baseball organizations who are interested in my ideas."
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris O'Leary
has no baseball cred whatsoever, as he himself readily admits. Fail.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He works with a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
What else do you want?
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worked
- past tense. And he can’t say with who and in what capacity, so we have to take his word for it. Ask yourself – why would a team not want somebody who worked for them to discuss it after his time with them was up for whatever reason?
The whole thing sounds bogus.
by azjazzman on Aug 3, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think at times
Kenny Williams can be a complete fool (trading for Robbie Alomar twice). He is a complete jerk in his references about the Cubs. But you have to admire him for having some gambler in him. Wish Jimbo had some of that in him.
As an aside, is Peavy’s agent related to David Axelrod, Obama’s advisor? Could be some connection there
by ChicagoRobb on Jul 31, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is his brother i believe
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's correct.
They are brothers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well, come on Cubbies, let's get those fish today!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like a good deal on the surface.
But if you have to give up four pitchers (not a single position player) for one starting pitcher, no matter who he is, that seems like a big risk to me.
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Jul 31, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's actually a worse risk if they gave up a position player
Carter is dominating in the minors, but he’s too old for his league. Richard was on his way off the team before making some timely starts to save his job (and ultimately inflate his trade value). Russell is awful, losing Poreda might hurt in a few years, but the Sox will have a healthy Peavy.
Also, Peavy is going to make rehab assignments by August 13th, and is expected to make his debut by the end of the month. Kenny gets his fair share of critics throughout the league, but the front office knows what to do when it comes to starting pitching.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of this
The best part is there’s a good chance
THIS IS THE LAST PEAVY FANPOST ON BCB!
Al probably is the happiest of all. He’s probably doing the dance of joy at his house.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But there
WILL be others to take over, not just for the sake of freaking out Al, but just well you know….because.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The out for season talk
Apparently the thinking was he might miss the season if he stayed with the Padres because they wouldn’t risk hurting the ankle further on a contender he can pitch in September.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jul 31, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or....
he’d hurt his value in a trade come this offseason.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised that
this trade came back up with so little fanfare. Getting 4 arms is a coup in it’s own right in this day and age, but Poreda and Richard feel like power lefty pen arms to me (I think Richard is a better starter than Poreda, and Poreda might be the better late inning leverage guy). Russell is eh. Carter holds intrigue. That said, they had to sell, from all accounts, so keeping in mind that Towers started with no leverage last offseason, he did alright. Others will like this return better as Poreda is rated fairly high. I’m just not enthused on him.
by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bud Black will develop both of these pitchers well along with Carter.
I have a lot of faith in Black with developing pitchers.
Peavy will be good with the Sox but he won’t be as good. I predict around a 3.5 ERA.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Jul 31, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenthal's commentary on the Peavy trade
If it’s not my all-time favorite trade, it’s close.
It might not be a good trade, though I suspect it is. But for sheer audacity and shock value, how can anyone not like what White Sox general manager Ken Williams pulled off Friday?
“Unreal,” one general manager said of the Jake Peavy trade. “No question, it’s a very high-risk move. You’ve got to have great intestinal fortitude to do it.”
Another exec was even more blunt in describing his admiration for Williams.
“Biggest balls in the game,” he said.
And here’s the rest of the story.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How’s = who’s
Excuse me, my mom is in D.A.M., Mothers Against Dyslexia.
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by DrCrawdad on Aug 1, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take bets now
1st game he starts is the September 3rd Cubs/Sox make up game.
by jtsurf on Aug 1, 2009 2:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs should rough him up again. :)
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome
although, i hope he comes back sooner.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count on it.
This isn’t just an ankle sprain, it’s a torn tendon.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tendons
People underestimate tendon damage. In some cases you’re better off with a cleanly broken bone.
Also for the record you, me and several others had misgivings at the least about bringing Peavy to the Cubs from day 1.
This is not sour grapes.
FUnny thing is the Sox fans who are jumping up and down in joy were saying the trade would be dumb for the Cubs. And this is before the ankle issue.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 1, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what sox fans said trading for peavy would be dumb for the cubs?
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"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 1, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the 9 Billionth time
It isn’t a torn tendon, it is strained… reiterated last night on Sports Center.
And these comments ARE sour grapes. Peavy is one of the best SP in baseball and anybody who doesn’t realize that is just kidding themselves.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're trying to start problems
Just because some people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean it is sour grapes. You’re right, Peavy is on e of the best SP in baseball. However, there are concerns like pitching in the Cell and the injury. Apparently to you, those issues aren’t really relevant. THERE ARE NO SOUR GRAPES. THESE ARE REAL CONCERNS. SO STOP SAYING SOX/CUBS CRAP.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are just trying to ignore reality
In the course of trying to argue that this is not a good trade for the White Sox, and ignoring the fact that virtually every baseball analyst disagrees with this premise – a lot of distorted and fabricated “facts” have been presented.
If you think a reality check from someone who has no axe to grind one way or another is starting problems, all you are doing is proving my point. SOUR GRAPES!
Why not just admit the the White Sox out-foxed the Cubs on Peavy – something that is totally obvious to anyone who wants to look at it objectively?
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't want Peavy in the first place ....
If Peavy is healthy, then he will pitch fine. I can have concerns about a pitcher.
ignoring the fact that virtually every baseball analyst disagrees with this premise – a lot of distorted and fabricated "facts" have been presented.
LOL facts are that he has a 2.83 era at home and a 3.84 era on the road. Those aren’t fabricated facts buddy.
This is from ESPN Jayson Stark:
But is “winner” really the right term for a team that just dealt a big package for a guy who (A) might not throw a pitch until mid-September (if then), (B) is going from the NL to the AL, © is moving from Pitching Heaven (Petco Park) to a pitcher’s worst nightmare (The Cell) and (D) is adding more than $55 million to the payroll through 2012?
“I don’t know if they’re winners,” one AL exec said. “But they’re definitely the biggest gamblers.”
Since I’m a Cubs fan and I dislike a Sox move, I have sour grapes. I don’t think I should have an argument with you because you will just respond with, “Cubs fan hating on Sox move. OMG. SOUR GRAPES.” I’m actually not even hating on the move. If he is healthy and pitches in the AL as well as he does in the NL, then it’s a good move. I’m not saying that this move doesn’t have the potential to be good.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O CRAP
Ken Rosenthal has concerns about Peavy
The questions now will shift to Peavy’s health, and whether he can succeed in a more hitter-friendly park and hitter-friendly league. Williams knows Peavy’s home ERA is more than a half-run per game lower than his road ERA since the opening of 2004.
I CALL SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES!!!!!!!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MORE SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES
from the White Sox’s very own, Jack McDowell
I love Peavy, great arm, great pitcher, great guy. But he’s NOT an American League #1 pitcher. WOW.
I don’t understand why the White Sox would trade away two quality lefthanders and two other prospects at this time for this guy. Add to this the fact that Peavy recently had a strained ligament in his throwing elbow. I’m not guaranteeing a breakdown, but I’ve noticed over the years that strains seem to quickly lead to Tommy John surgery even after the initial healing of the strain.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check with me
a year from now. And be prepared to admit that you don’t know anything about Peavy specifically, or baseball in general. Or anything.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOUR GRAPES! SOUR GRAPES!
BTW I think Jack McDowell knows way more baseball than you. SOUR GRAPES. SOUR GRAPES.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoy
discussing baseball with a 9 year old.
Is this the same Jack McDowell that pissed off BCB readers a few years ago by saying that Mark Prior was on steroids? Just wondering…seems like he was attacked as a know nothing media hound back then, as I recall.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES!
You’ve just had a patch of SOUR GRAPES
9 year old? All you do is say SOUR GRAPES and ignore everybody’s points.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right. I don't know much about baseball. I sure as hell know more than you.
I HAVE SOUR GRAPES!
YOU HAVE SOUR GRAPES!
WE ALL HAVE SOUR GRAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 1, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just curious
anyone know the stats on Peavy in sub 50 weather?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever sample size
there would be for Peavy in sub 50 weather would be so small that it would be meaningless. He may have had a start or two in Denver that were below 50, but that would be about it.
by azjazzman on Aug 1, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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