Wells, Lee Lead Cubs To 4-2 Win Over Braves
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 7:30 AM CDT
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In many other years Derrek Lee might have turned his hot streak into a slot on the NL All-Star team, but there are too many other first basemen who got off to better starts than D-Lee did and still have better numbers.
Lee, though, is doing his best to catch up. When the game began on May 1 he was hitting .189. Since then, in 50 games he has 15 HR with 43 RBI and is hitting .326/.406/.611 (1.017 OPS), definitely All-Star numbers. I'm sure he won't mind the three-day break, and here's an amazing stat that was mentioned on the postgame show: he has hit four home runs in his last six first innings. That's the way to get the team off to a good start, and the Cubs have won five of those six games.
Last night was no exception; Lee's homer produced two first-inning runs, the Cubs added two in the second and Randy Wells threw six more solid innings, resulting in a 4-2 win over the Braves, the Cubs' sixth win in their last eight.
The win also brought the Cubs to within two games of first-place St. Louis and one game of second-place Milwaukee. The Cubs have still played two fewer games than the Brewers and four fewer than the Cardinals. Those two teams face each other the next three days in Milwaukee. As the poll in cubswgnrocks' FanPost indicates, the best scenario for the Cubs is for the Brewers to win two of three. I'm much more worried about the Cardinals than the Brewers, especially considering Milwaukee's GM publicly called out one of his best players. The Brewers seem to do quite a bit of this; remember last year when Ned Yost whined and complained about CC Sabathia not getting a no-hitter? The Brewers lost 15 of 19 after that day and it cost Yost his job.
Anyway, enough about our rivals to the north. Last night was yet another game with many contributors. Kosuke Fukudome had a pair of hits and a walk and looked really good swinging the bat. If he can keep this up -- he looked last night as he looked early this season (and also early in 2008) -- he'll be very valuable hitting at the top of the order. It's only been three games leading off, but he's 5-for-11 with a walk, a double, a triple, three runs scored and two RBI. It appears that the CF spot will now lead off the lineup -- Lou says Reed Johnson will lead off vs. LHP. The Cubs won't face a lefty till after the All-Star break, though.
Milton Bradley had a pair of walks and made a nice catch up against the wall in right field. Sean Marshall (Lou must have fallen asleep, because he let Marshall throw an entire inning, including facing some right-handed hitters) threw a good inning; Carlos Marmol did issue a walk, but got out of it with a DP; and Kevin Gregg got his 15th save, but not before Brooks Conrad (or was that Conrad Brooks?) stretched him out with a 12-pitch at-bat that included six consecutive foul balls.
Wells threw only 87 pitches in his six innings of work and Marshall and Aaron Heilman were warming up already in the top of the sixth -- I hope this doesn't mean Wells was having any problems. He should be able to go farther than that, as he threw 98 in each of his previous two starts. On the other hand, I can understand why Lou doesn't want someone who has thrown this consistently for 11 starts to get hurt. The Braves were the first team Wells has faced more than once, and he handled them well -- the only real mistake was Nate McLouth's 14th homer of the season.
Since the Pirates series began last week and through this homestand so far, the Cubs have looked more and more like the 2008 version -- solid starting pitching and relief and timely hitting from all parts of the lineup. Keep up the good work. And all this was done yesterday with no contributions at all from Aramis Ramirez, who was greeted with several standing ovations on his return from a separated shoulder. He went 0-for-4 and didn't handle the ball in the field, a quiet way to sneak back into the lineup after missing 50 games. The Cubs went 24-26 and lost no ground in the division race. Time now to begin to make up that ground.
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by lostinthevines on Jul 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not seeing a problem..
with those Melvin comments. It sounds like Braun is throwing teammates under the bus, and he should get slapped around for it.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 7, 2009 7:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
the problem is with Braun’s initial comments. Once those are out, the GM’s hand has been forced and he has to say something publicly.
by TC Cubby on Jul 7, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you misunderstood my remarks.
I was agreeing with what Melvin did — all I was saying is that there’s some turmoil surrounding the Brewers and it might hurt them on the field.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think....
He regrets signing the 8 year extension wtih them? I mean honestly does he feel that the Brewers year in and year out will always go get players to help at the deadline?
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Keep in mind they (Brewers) did go out and get Sabathia last year.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....
They could not keep him for more years. The same thing will probably happen when Prince’s contract is up, he will be a elsewhere that will pay him more.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
outside of the Yankee’s or Dodgers which team could have keep him? Maybe the Cubs, but my point being that even if Melvin knew Sabathia was a 1/2 year deal, they did pull the trigger to try and get it done.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that he regrets 8 years of grrrr...
…but I am sure that he will tell everyone very soon in a public manner if he does, e.g., a plane flying over the park towing a sign “Braun Wants Out—NOW!!!” “The other teams’ other players are better than my teammates—get me out of here—NOW!!!” That last one might be hard to read.
This is one area where I appreciate Hendry more, although at times my first reaction is that he’s letting his manager handle things. Hendry seems to keep a cool head in PUBLIC and I think that helps the front office be able to mend situations with problem players. However, I think given Braun’s comments, Melvin’s remarks seem pretty reasonable.
by DudeVf11 on Jul 7, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more
I think about, as reasonable as Melvin’s remarks might have been, if me, I would have handled this behind closed doors.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My point exactly.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That old
saying. The duck is calm on the surface, but paddling like hell below.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had ducks in my koi pond and they do more than just paddle
below the surface! that stuff is nasty!!
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by LAcarl519 on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
…he’s already tried that, and he getting a little fed up.
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by MPH73 on Jul 7, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has
what purpose does it do going public? Does Melvin think that the fan base will be in such an uproar over this that Braun will at that point shut his mouth. To me it only brings to light to all the potenial for some real turmoil. If you don’t succeed the first time, try again.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world...
…you are correct, but people have their limits to using common sense.
I don’t know the history, but Braun is clearly a prima-donna and those types can wear on you pretty quick.
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by MPH73 on Jul 7, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have to say I was clearly wrong yesterday
I didn’t get the fuss in the fanshot, but clearly Melvin did.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I could have picked a different word instead of using 'clearly' twice
Clearly
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh quit
being so hard on yourself. Never quit, keep moving forward and quit being so critical.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being more self-effacing than critical
Still, good advice.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh rats
I think you missed my use of quit three times. I will keep working on it.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit. That's what happens when I try to sneak work in between posting.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow days like
this I don’t even pretend to sneak anything.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've been busted a few times today looking at BCB
At least it’s not porn, Mr. Estrada . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly Badger you must be pretty bored this morning @ work
to ponder that you used clearly too often grinning evilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
using clearly twice sounds like Charles Barkley.
Clearly everyone knows I got a DUI. Clearly I was wrong. Clearly everyone knows I was wrong. Clearly I am ashamed and embarrassed. Clearly we should go back to basketball. Clearly the magic are a better team than the Cavs. Lol I love Barkley but he uses Clearly a ton.
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by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's tarrble!
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better
the Brewers issue than ours. It really is a shame if in fact Braun is a real prima donna. You hate to see this over shadow the talents he has.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was kind of my point.
These issues overshadow games on the field and can hurt a team. Let’s hope they hurt the Brewers.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would
be the common belief of us Cubs fans. But beware, sometimes these things can also light a candle under their butts.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I think what Melvin did was stand up for his players.
Since Braun made his comments to the media, Melvin was forced to do the same thing. He even says how he rarely goes to the media but he felt like he had to because braun did. Braun’s comments were unprofessional while Melvin was standing up for his organization. Also keep in mind this was not Brauns first time doing this. In this article it talks about how Braun has been whining about shadows at Miller park and how that has impacted their hitting. Link
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by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/50090917.html
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by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line, the Cardinals have superior handle on the management of their club
La Russa is one of the best managers, hands down——this generation. I said from the beginning they would be at the Cubs heals all the way through the season and fortunately the Cubs stayed in contact with them through this 50 game period with Ramirez down and Soriano in the tank.
Yes, it would be best for Milwaukee to slip 2 of 3, but the Cubs need to win today and see what they can do tomorrow.
Overall I am seeing DLee now hit the mistakes that he was fouling off before June 1st. Fukudome is hitting line drives and looks natural in the lead off spot. Now if Soriano can get right the Cubs offense will again be formidable.
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by Ivy Walls on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
Ivy, we can now not have to over expose Fontenot. I really think his playing 3rd put a damper on his offense. Get him back to second and play him in his spots. I am not saying he is an offensive juggernaut, but he can contribute better than he has.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8th is a great spot for him
Being able to put a player of his caliber in the 8 hole shows how much depth we’re at now. Remember, in 2008 he had a .900 OPS against RHP.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
Yes, why? I really think that he is the type of player that you can not throw out there 150 + games and give him 500+ ab. Pick and choose his spots and you will get the type of numbers he showed last year.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Wells!
I was very impressed that he issued zero BBs to a team that he was facing for the 2nd time (but zero BBs is always nice).
by DudeVf11 on Jul 7, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Bob Brenleys? Whatever would Len DO?
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by Zeke on Jul 7, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No BBs?
What did he shoot out of his Red Rider gun then?
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by Archie on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His eyes, of course
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice win
Al you are 100% correct when you say last nights win looked like something out of the 2008 playbook.
Keep winning series…2 out of 3 from here on out gets you north of 90 wins. Unrealistic probably but hopefully the team can keep playing well.
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by Curtain Jerker on Jul 7, 2009 7:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Not unrealistic
To hit 90 wins. As noted where Lee’s stats were at the start of May. I recall one poster here saying at that time he would never be able to bring his numbers up to career norms with that start. As we can see Lee has in a short period of time been able to resurrect his season.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that....
We can achieve 90, IF and only IF we do not let Soriano dictate the lineup. I am sorry to be a downer, but if he is moved back into the 1 spot, this line up could faulter again.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano needs to get right and be a force in the bottom of the lineup
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by Ivy Walls on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
I was just thinking of him. I feel much better about this team with things like Wells coming out of no where, Lee hitting and Aram back. I would agree with Soriano not leading off, but I really to think that real soon he is going to explode. There is nothing in his career to indicate that this funk he is in will continue for the balance of the season.
So we keep Lee hitting, Ram returns to form and Soriano starts to hit ’em. Honestly at this point I would really consider trading Harden to the AL. I do believe he is free after this year and with the emergence of Wells I think he is worth considering to move.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sounds crazy...
But i would really try and talk to the Mets and work a deal that would send Harden and Bradley to them for Carlos Beltran – depending on Beltran’s health.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you do after you got laughed out of Omar Minaya's office?
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by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drink heavy
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how you come up with the idea in the first place
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touché
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets have to do something
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by Ivy Walls on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No in all honesty....
Why is this so bad? I am sure we could throw another potential starter in the mix and it really is not a bad trade.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I might chime
in. If Harden would be traded I for one would like to see him go to the AL. Also if Bradley was surprised by the spot light in Chicago, my word he would be in a state of shock in NY.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I read a similar trade proposal from a NY writer,
maybe it was Joel Sherman?
We’re entering the silly season of trade proposals with the deadline coming up.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 7, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Harden
has a real bounce back… no one’s takin’ him.
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by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you , Al
Here is the Hendry call to Minaya; “Omar, would you mind helping me out with a bad shoulder and bad contract in exchange for Beltran..but only if he is healthy?” Right.
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by LAcarl519 on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how this makes sense for either party...
The only reason the Mets would do this is if they think Beltran is done. And if Beltran is done, what good is he to us?
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
“Makes sense for either party”. Not sure about you, but any party to me makes sense.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The parties involved being the Cubs and Mets...
sorry if this was already clear to you – sometimes humor/sarcasm doesn’t translate well in the written word.
I should have specified. The trade suggestion is fantastic for one party and terrible for the other. It’s just unclear which way, and that depends upon the health of Beltran. It’s not the type of deal that makes sense for both sides.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No just
my weak attempt at humor. With me and humor it is hit or miss.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was kinda funny
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by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another 999
of you and I just might get that chance at standup.
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by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought it was ok, too
Of course, I was reading yours carefully after this morning . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Soriano, he did have some very good AB last night...
But I agree. Fukudome has looked good in limited time at leadoff, and he does provide a high-OBP type of player at the top of the order. If he can be a .380-.390 (or better) OBP guy at leadoff and if Soriano can regain form from the 6th spot, we might be on to something.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 pitches...
in 4 at bats? Hardly good ABs. The one at bat he actually got a hit was a 4 pitch at bat, so i guess that was a good at bat.
I am still in the contention that Soriano needs to go up to bat 1 or 2 times in a game and not swing at all. This helps two things, it helps him see the ball all the way in, and it also shows him the strike zone, two of which he has no feel for right now, and that is apparent with his first pitch popouts.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 pitches in 4 at bats...
doesn’t mean anything. I wasn’t watching the game too closely so I can’t comment on his at bats, but using the number of pitches seen as a measure is pretty silly.
by kanderber on Jul 7, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
He had two multiple pitch at bats last night. How is that productive? Mind you the one he only saw 2 pitches. and the only ball he got out of the infield was his hit.
Please tell me how you gage good at bats for a struggling hitter?
The breakdown for you:
At Bat 1: Line out to third. (Lead off the inning)
At Bat 2: Strike (looking) Ball, Ball, Doubled to deep left center
At Bat 3: Strike, Pop out to second.
At Bat 4: Pop out to second. (Lead off the inning)
Do you see the difference between a good at bad and a bad at bat? Soriano accounted for 3 outs on 4 pitches, that is an opposing teams dream! Look, i know i am probably coming off as a bad guy, because i am discussing Soriano, but this started because i feel the team is better without him as the number one hitter. Yes you can say 2008 this or that. You might have a point if we won the WS. But we didnt, Soriano is not the same player as last year. This is 2009, different year different team, differend division. I commend Lou, who at times this season has looked a lot like Dusty, for moving Soriano out of the 1 hole. I think moving him has definitely sparked the offense and allowed for DLee to be even hotter. Lou did the right thing, and to me showed that he does care and we can all lay to rest the lifeless Lou thing.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about hitting a good pitch...
Again, I don’t know if he did because I wasn’t watching too closely. So my argument isn’t really about Soriano, it’s a general one. It’s like people who say that Theriot doesn’t have good patience because he is/was towards the bottom of the team on pitches per plate appearance. Well, that’s a terrible measure. Patience isn’t about taking as many pitches as possible. Taking pitches for the sake of taking pitches is stupid. It’s about waiting for your pitch, and hitting it. Whether that’s the first pitch or the 21st pitch.
So, if Soriano sees a fastball right down the middle on the first pitch… he should swing at it! Even more so now that he’s not a leadoff hitter.
by kanderber on Jul 7, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As an opposing team...
I would love your hitting philosophy.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, ok?
So you disagree that taking pitches for the sake of taking pitches is dumb? The goal of a hitter is to get on base. If the first pitch he sees is “his pitch” then he’d be stupid to not swing, just to increase the pitch count of the opposing pitcher. You win games by scoring more runs than the opposing team, and you score runs by swinging at good pitches, regardless of what number of pitch it is.
by kanderber on Jul 7, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. BUT no one in the MLB will throw him a fastball down the middle.
I seem to see everyone throwing pitches low and outside, I wonder why? :-)
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by zevkalman on Jul 7, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers make mistakes.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 7, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
…if pitchers threw every pitch as intended, most games would be 1-0.
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by MPH73 on Jul 7, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree...
…and Soriano happens to be one of those hitters. If you try and make Soriano more patient, his hot streaks would be fewer, because he would lose his natural aggressiveness.
With that said, there is nothing wrong with having a couple production guys in your lineup that are aggressive and jump on the first pitch they can handle. When you start to have problems is when you have too many of those guys and the opposing pitcher is tossing a shutout with 60 pitches thrown after 7 innings.
It’s all about balance in any good lineup.
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by MPH73 on Jul 7, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
on the lineup having 1 or 2 aggressive hitters. IF the rest of the guys are working the count most of the time, then most are milking his pitch counts and the whole team gets to see more pitches.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano...better
I’ve been as critical of Soriano as anyone but last night there were signs of him working his way out of his malaise. He hit two balls hard, which is a start. Frankly, I could care less if he swings at the first pitch in every AB, provided that he’s hitting the ball hard and he’s swinging at pitches that he can handle. The balls he hit hard last night were indeed pitches he can handle so that is an improvement.
I’ll take 4 AB’s from him, or any other Cub, in which he hits two balls hard every day of the week.
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by krummy12 on Jul 7, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
The hits will come. Last night was an indication that his timing is better.
Although Jurrjens didn’t seem to have a breaking ball at all last night, so who knows.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he's breaking out of it, but...........
hopefully Lou will not bat him lead off in the future
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, he had some good AB...
the line out to 3B was a good AB – just bad luck. The double to LF was a good AB.
I didn’t say they were patient AB. But hitting 6th doesn’t require you to take pitches. He made good contact on two of the four AB, which is a step in the right direction.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a good at bat
is one where you hit the ball solidly. He did that twice. Looking at strikes, even if you run the count full, isn’t a good at bat.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does pitch count matter in the 6th spot?
He had two line drives in four AB. Those two line drives were good AB. He got a pitch to hit and he hit it hard. He got bad luck on the first AB.
I didn’t say he should be batting leadoff. Just that he had some good AB from the 6th spot.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lineup did just fine last year
with Soriano in the 1 spot. The cure has not been moving Soriano down in the lineup. It is Fox, Lee, Soto being hot right now.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 7, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is...
not last year, this is 2009. Soriano was batting around .285 at this point last year (he was on the DL right now actually) His slugging was in the 5’s and his OPS was in the high 8’s, all of which are well above his numbers this year.
By the way how many leadoff guys has DLee driven in the past few days? DLee would not be as hot in the RBI catergory if it was not for the leadoff guy getting on base.
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by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
You can see how production from the lead-off spot has sparked the club. Go back to the playoffs in 2007 and 2008 where Soriano sucked it up and the Cubs failed to score many runs. It’s pretty obvious that having something in the lead-off spot is necessary.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last years great offense wasn't because of Sori
It was because we produced 1-8 in all the slots.
And Lee, Fox and Soto need to have runners on base so the homers can result in more than one run. Mark it down, the turnaround was Thursday, when Lou finally moved Sori down.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then this years struggles
arent because of Soriano. They are because we were struggling 1-8 in all the slots.
Otherwise you are just arguing a tails-i-win, head-you-lose type argument.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 7, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have a struggling leadoff hitter,
it makes it that much more difficult to score. Lee has been hot for quite awhile now, but the team has still struggled overrall.
Yes, Sori isn’t the only one who has struggled this year, but when it’s at the top of the order in front of the RBI men, then it makes it more difficult to produce.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "leadoff" hitter...
Only is official leadoff for the first at bat of the game. Then it’s all dependent on how the rest of the team bats. Sure, he’ll get more at-bats over the course of a season, but it doesn’t make an enormous difference.
I think DGU once linked to it somewhere, but the batting order is almost irrelevent to outcomes of games. Statistically, maximizing your lineup will account for something like one additional win per season.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why do most teams put a high OBP guy in the leadoff?
Plus isn’t the odds of the leadoff hitter getting more leadoffs more likely since they follow the pitcher in the lineup too?
You want guys to get on base in front of the run producing hitters.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your point about pitchers...
Is a fairly good one, as that might slightly increase the % chance for leading off. Though again, that’s impacted by the players in front of the pitcher (since it’s not always guarenteed the pitcher will be up with 2 outs).
Anyway, teams put high OBP guys at leadoff because it does have a positive correlation to scoring, so you might as well do it (That has more to do with the value of high OBP people getting more at-bats over the course of the season though, I think. Not because they are leading off an inning, per se). But realistically, the actual impact of who occupies the leadoff spot is pretty negligable. My central point is that people really overstate the importance of a batting order.
You could pick names out of a hat every game to determine your batting order, and statistically, it’ll probably impact your season by maybe +/- 1 win.
(Also, I might as well note generally that just because many teams do something, doesn’t mean that there is a rational reason for it. If Moneyball was good for anything, it was that it highlighted that lots and lots of baseball organizations are run based on irrational traditions; not rational evaluation.)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone wants to get into the weeds...
There are a number of websites that talk about studies on batting orders. (I’m the kind of nerd who likes this stuff)
Here’s one with a link to various helpful links.
Linked on that page, this is a good study if you don’t mind seeing statistical models
To cut to the chase…here are its conclusions:
I must confess that this wasn’t what I hoped to find when I began this investigation. I suppose the best-case scenario would have been to find a handful of counter-intuitive lineups that were significantly better than the traditional ones. As it was, the best lineup in the NL scored only 4.4% more runs than the worst, and in the AL the range was even narrower, as the best team scored only 2.4% more runs than the worst. And the difference between the best and the traditional lineup is negligible: in the NL it amounted to 0.38% more runs (or about 3 runs a season) and in the AL it was 0.24% more runs. These results seem to agree with the long-held belief that the ordering makes little difference.
He concluding comment here though, seems to me to be about right:
If anything, my approach shows that batting orders matter even less than people have believed. You would think that with such complicated forces at work here, some truly bizarre lineups might have been more efficient than the obvious ones used throughout the years, but if they exist, the methods described in this article didn’t find them. That doesn’t mean that specific teams haven’t used illogical lineups in the past, only that one of those teams wasn’t the San Francisco Giants over the past six years, and that it probably didn’t cost these hypothetical teams a lot of runs anyway.
I did notice that there are a lot of lineups as productive as the traditional ones that would look very odd to players, fans and the sporting press. A lot of the lineups near the top of many of these lists feature pitchers (in the NL) hitting other than last, as well as other weird orderings. There are lots of instances of very different lineups producing almost identical results. But if the normal lineups do almost as well as these creative ones, is there any percentage in straying from conventional wisdom? I don’t think so. And I guess that’s the real conclusion of this article: since all but the most pathologically weird lineups produce just about the same number of runs, I might be inclined to select the lineup that makes the most intuitive sense to the players and fans. Simply put, it’s not worth all the fuss you’d cause trying to be clever with lineups.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jeesh...
I should do a better job of proof-reading. I sound like an illiterate kindergardener… :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Oregon, a little midnight reading...lol
I am interested in the stats, but it might take some time to get through all of that study.
I am not convinced on the surface about your conclusion about any lineup being just 1 win different over a course of a season. Lets see Soto, Sori, Pitcher, Lee, Fonty, Dome, Bradley, Riot, ARam would be one less victory from a traditional lineup..that would take much convincing.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was a bit imprecise in saying only 1 in all cases.
But the majority of evidence I’ve seen indicates it’s only a couple of games at most.
But someone may have come up with other numbers disagreeing. I just haven’t seen them yet. :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 8, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it depends on what your baseline is
If you maximize over the “traditional” lineup (speedy guy 1, speedy/contact guy 2, best hitter 3, slugger 4, and so on until pitcher 9), then yes, probably only 1 or 2 wins. But I’m sure you can also construct a optimal “worst” lineup (best hitter 9, pitcher 1, and so on) which would probably be 50 or 60 runs worse than the “best” lineup. I tried writing a lineup simulator in C and those were some of the results that I saw, anyway.
by false cognate on Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scroll up.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano was a part of the success last year and is a part of the struggles this year...
He was one of many who was great last year. He has been one of many to struggle this year. Unfortunately, his struggles this year have been longer than anyone else’s, and thus he’s struggled more than anyone else as a whole.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou has learned a lesson here..............
I would be amazed if he ever batted Soriano lead off again
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
has NEVER DICTATED THE LINEUP.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channeling
Eric Hanna a bit there? :P
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by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah. I was using LOUD NOISES
before he knew what the intarwebz was…
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I THINK HE KIND OF DID BECAUSE HE SAID HE’S MORE COMFORTABLE THERE EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE’D BAT WHEREVER LOU WANTED HIM TO IT’S KIND OF PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE WHAT DO YOU THINK.
PEAVY.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE CUBS TOTALLY NEED TO TRADE HIM FOR MARK TEAHEN AND CARLOS LEE GET IT DONE LOU!
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
I MEAN “HA!”
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SORIANO........
IS THE BEST LEAD OFF HITTER IN MODERN BASEBALL HISTORY
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "best"?
you do realize he’s approaching records for lead-off HRs, right? And, of course, we don’t go anywhere in 2007 and 2008 without him. He doesn’t need to be “the best”. He just needs to produce for us. It’ll be interesting to see if he’s moved back up in a few months.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Clutche hasn't
heard of Ricky Henderson.
Or he’s joking.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jul 7, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAPS = ERIC
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, approaching is a relative term...
he’s still 27 behind Henderson. In other words, he’s only 2/3 of the way to Henderson’s record based on career performance. He’s still a LONG way from the record for leadoff HR.
But I agree. Prior to this year, he’s been very productive in the leadoff spot for us. This year, not so much obviously.
I am actually hopeful that he starts producing in the 6th spot (and that Fukudome produces in the leadoff spot). I think it makes a lot more sense to have a high OBP guy there setting the table. We’ll see how it plays out. Either way, I hope both guys turn it up after horrific Junes.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he was that productive...........
with an lifetime OBP of .326, 1148 strikeouts and only 324 BB’s
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His OBP in 2007 and 2008 was higher than .326...
It was above average. And his power from that spot made up for the lower OBP.
I said productive FOR US. Not necessarily productive in his career. And I clarified that he has not been productive for us this year.
Soriano is not the prototypical leadoff man. But he had been productive for us in the role the last two years.
If Fukudome establishes himself as a consistent high-OBP guy, I’d prefer Fukudome in the leadoff spot (especially if Soriano can produce in the 6th spot). But that doesn’t mean that Soriano wasn’t productive the previous two years.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're correct..........
it was approximately .340 , but only average in modern-day baseball.
But I would argue that his K% far outweighed his home run totals the past two years .
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ks are just outs...
they’re not signficantly more important than other outs. This is especially true from the leadoff spot, in which fewer men are on base when you’re batting.
Soriano was definitely productive in the leadoff spot the past two years. He wasn’t productive in the way we typically think of a leadoff man, but he was still productive.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do, but where does he rank in leadoff K's?
Lifetime K’s: 1148; he strikes out 22% of the time
HR’s: 284; he homers 5% of the time
with a lifetime .326 OBP
Are these acceptable lead off stats?
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are all arguing the wrong things about Soriano
This concept of him having “better” at bats is a misguided conversation if you are using the # of pitches seen as your definition of a quality at bat, which some seem to be doing by talking about how many pitches he saw. Even when Soriano is red hot he isn’t taking more pitches, he’s simply murdering the ball.
I personally did not see much last night from Soriano. He popped up an absolute meat mistake pitch that should have been crushed 400 feet. Yes, he had a couple of good swings but I still believe his legs are shot and his swings are all upper body.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His swings have always been upper-body
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly true
But I think he used to use his legs more.
Especially that front leg kick thing… that seems really flat these days.
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by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't go anywhere without Sori in 2008?
You could have picked the lineup out of a hat last year and had good results. Last year was a fluke year of getting production out of everyone in the lineup. Sori was part of that, not the whole reason for 2008.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He carried the team
when the other batters weren’t making contact.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2007, sure
I don’t remember the team as a whole having any long stretches of bad offense. Then again, I try not to think too much about last year as a whole.
by madcow256 on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had one great month last year.(May)
I am not discounting the fact he was an integral part of the team, but the main reason we succeeded last year? That’s a stretch.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His
July, August and September numbers weren’t too shabby.
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by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But along the lines of his career numbers.
I’m just arguing the “carried” the team comment from Drew.
Last year was because of production 1-8, not because of any one player.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
The only ones not make contact last year were the pitchers, excluding Z of course.
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how quickly you forget
Lee had a huge drop-off in the second half. Don’t you remember? It’s why Hoff came up!
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the rest of the offense did pretty well...
in the second half last year:
Ramirez: 897 OPS
DeRosa: 899 OPS
Edmonds: 955 OPS
Soriano: 873 OPS
Soto: 824 OPS
And that doesn’t consider the fantastic pitching.
Soriano had a very good year last year, but he didn’t carry the team in 2008.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once more
We got:
94 RBI from 6th spot
107 RBI from 7th spot
83 RBI from 8th spot
That is some production from the bottom part of the lineup.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI are a poor metric (dependent on team success)
but I agree with your sentiment.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just shows the bottom part of the lineup
was producing runs.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that they had people to knock in
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by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just showing we got production from all spots in the lineup.
Not just from one player.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm just saying there are better ways to show it
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An RBI produces a run, right?
Kind of funny to be on the same side and still argue, funny.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An RBI is team dependent
As I said. If a player come up to bat 300 times with a runner on 3B, that player should get 100 RBI without even getting a hit.
I’d argue that that player was not really productive (just fortunate to come up in good circumstances), but RBI count would say he was productive.
Hence, it’s not a great measure.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see below, we are hopping around here.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily...
it shows that the bottom part of the lineup was getting RBI. That could either be a function of the bottom part of the lineup being productive, or it could just be a function of the middle of the lineup being in scoring position a lot.
For example, if the #4 and #5 hitters are on 3B 400 times a year, the #5 and #6 hitters should get a ton of RBI, even if they stink as hitters.
In this case, the bottom of the lineup was indeed productive. It was also the case that the middle of the order was in scoring position a lot. But RBI aren’t a great measure of that.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't make sense..........
For example, if the #4 and #5 hitters are on 3B 400 times a year, the #5 and #6 hitters should get a ton of RBI, even if they stink as hitters.
so #5 is batting and on 3rd?
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that #6 and #7...
sorry for the typo. Nice nitpick though. I’m sure you could have figured out what I meant.
The point being that if the middle of the order is in scoring position a ton, the bottom of the order doesn’t have to be that good to get a lot of RBI.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced though because those tow events are not
mutually exclusive
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by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
It’s a hypothetical scenario. If the #4 or #5 hitter gets to 3B on their own, then all the #6 and #7 hitters have to do is hit a fly out to the OF or a grounder to 2B/SS to get an RBI.
That’s an extreme example of course. But I’m using the extreme to illustrate that RBI aren’t a great measure of productivity as a hitter.
RBI are team dependent – they require either a hitter to be great or a hitter to benefit from players in front of him being great (or a combination of the two).
There are better examples to show that a hitter is productive than RBI. That’s my point.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing the metric of using RBI to value a player or position.
What I’m arguing is that we had production from all the spots in the lineup rather than just one player from the team “carrying” us.
I think we agree on that.
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I said we agree...
I was just saying that there are better measures of production than RBI.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so in this instance,
(not a general comparison) but a way to show that the Cubs produced runs 1-8, what better way than to have RBIs.
You can say OPS, but does OPS always produce a run?
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by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS is a better measure, yes...
OPS doesn’t always produce a run, but it’s a better measure of a good (i.e., productive) hitter than RBI. RBI are too dependent on other players’ performance.
For example, in DLee’s 2005 season, he was better in every facet of the game offensively than Pujols or Jones. But because he had terrible hitters in front of him, he didn’t get the RBI. Lee was the most productive hitter that year, he just didn’t get the chances.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that OPS is usually better
for comparison purposes.
My point is that in this specific instance, a way to show that the Cubs lineup 1-8 produced runs, wouldn’t it be better to have RBI as the metric rather than OPS. The lineup was able to get runs from everyone up and down the lineup.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still use the OPS instead...
Because the natural response to RBI is going to be that those guys got RBI because Ramirez and Edmonds were good at getting in scoring position. You can get RBI without being productive.
But, we’ve gone back and forth on this enough. It’s kind of a waste of time since we agree that the bottom of the order was productive and that Soriano didn’t carry the team last year.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last word me. :) j/k
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we agree
Everyone’s just hung up on the process of how best to show that, I guess.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you said the TEAM.......
and other BATTERS……implying that he, and he alone, carried the load.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he carried
a lot of it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
he had a great season. But so did a bunch of other players.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that's not what you said.......
you said he carried the team………..he helped the team would be more appropriate
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was one player from a team that produced 1-8.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mobile commenting?
Fantastic!
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 7, 2009 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Estrada
“it’s a shame if dey don’t win!”
Hahaha!!
by thermal54 on Jul 7, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was awful
And they won’t stop playing that clip on the Score.
by daeviant on Jul 7, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he has
“seen a lot of child pornography”. Dude needs a new filter I think. His has been working since the 70s.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, what?
Was at the game. When did he say that?
by elgato on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
during his interview with Bob and Len
He also commented on the vast abilities of Ron Jeremy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add the comment that this RJ is also a qualified
special ed instructor and my reaction was “ewww.”
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome...
Has been great the last few games in the leadoff spot, getting on base and hitting the ball hard. He seems to be getting out of that June slump.
Hopefully Reed can keep this up from the right side. (Lou did say he’d be leading off against lefties?)
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm really pulling for Fukudome
to not drop off so much this year. He seems to be having more fun out there than last year. Anybody know what his stats were at this time last season?
by daeviant on Jul 7, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After team game #80 in 2008 (he didn't play in team game #79)...
.301/.407/.441 with 6 HR and 33 RBI.
This year after 79 team games:
.263/.379/.432 with 6 HR and 25 RBI.
Last year, he was on the way down. Perhaps this year, he’ll be on the way up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
… Fukudome’s 811 OPS gives him a 111 OPS+.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great sign for Dome
Is he is hitting just as well on the road as at home this year. Last year hiw road numbers sucked.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid team win
It’s nice to see a win like that….
by cubbiefanTN on Jul 7, 2009 8:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Great win, great pitching by Wells
It feels good to actually expect the Cubs to win. Let’s keep it going tonight
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on Jul 7, 2009 8:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez was 0 for 4
But he hit the ball hard several times. Good to see that his timing is there.
This team is starting to look like the 2008 Cubs. Personally, I think they’re better now, except for possibly the bullpen.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
0-4 from Rami and you have to ask, what would Jake Fox have done? Fox is hitting better than Ramirez right now - so why should we play Ramirez, just because he’s hit better in the past and has good projections? Projections are always, always, always wrong, so I think we should sit Ramirez for Fox.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Ramirez has a track record of being one of the better hitters in the league and you want to sit him for Jake Fox?
I could see an argument for Jake Fox in left, but when it comes to the playoffs, this team needs Ramirez. He is a better hitter far and away. Sitting him for Fox would be short-sighted.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he forgot the sarcasm indicator.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has to be it. Otherwise, he loses his BCB card.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I forgot all about yesterday’s all out projection brawl.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, I don't think so
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's test your sarcasm acumen
Is this sarcastic, if I were to say, “Hoff is clearly the better bat at this point in his career; DLee HAS to sit”?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
d all of the above
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jul 7, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then when DO you play Ramirez?
If you don’t put him out there, then he’ll never get to where he should be. This is probably the best time to play Ramirez because the team is winning without a lot of production from 3rd base.
by daeviant on Jul 7, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on DGU, you know that long term, ARam will be a much better hitter than Fox. The only way that
Ramirez will get his timing back is to face major league pitching. This has to happen when coming back from an injury. Fox has had a good run, but you can’t compare what Ramirez has done to what Fox has done.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do I KNOW that ARam will be better than Fox?
He went 0-4 yesterday.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Fox never went 0-4?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yesterday.
And we have to WIN NOW!
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the Cubs are going to sit a healthy ARam for Jake Fox? Jake Fox who has
never played 3B until this year. The same Jake Fox who has been up once before with the Cubs. They are going to sit and all-star third baseman for a career minor leaguer who has played less than 20 games at 3B? Get serious.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe we should sit Soriano for Fox then.
Different argument right?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you are talking. That would make more sense.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmon, now
quit breaking your toys.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite comment last night...
From the ever genious Steve Phillips….
Aramis up in the bottom of the 7th. Steve felt the need to say that this at bat from Aramis will go a long way in telling what the Chicago Cubs will do from here.
Really? Really? One at bat? According to Steve Phillips it looks like we are all SOL.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So says the former GM
I wonder how often he still gets asked about how that Appier for Vaughn deal worked out for him.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jul 7, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips
is everything that’s wrong with baseball. Hell, he’s everything that’s wrong with life period.
Steve Phillips is evil personified. He is the face of Satan.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 7, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips is the perfect example of someone being absolutely lousy at their job
and still being successful.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 7, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the key is
having nice hair and a nice tan
by TC Cubby on Jul 7, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually thought last night was a great announcing team
Eons more educated and intelligence analysis than the sunday night crew
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never have I heard
a more backhanded compliment.
Better than Joe Morgan? That’s setting the bar a little low, don’t you think?
by false cognate on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he made kind of a good point
Ramierz back and getting big hits again WOULD be a lift for the team.
Sure he played up the moment and was hyperbolic, but he’s an announcer… what did you expect?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK.... I"ll be the first to try out the
Tweety button.
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it posted the story (w/ link) to my Twitter account.
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't press the button.
The button is bad.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
:)
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 7, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Al
I think the Tweet feature is broken. I used it earlier this AM, but it still shows no one as Tweeting that story…
(as does this link: http://tweetmeme.com/story.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleedcubbieblue.com%2F2009%2F7%2F7%2F940367%2Fwells-lee-lead-cubs-to-4-2-win )
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send to support@sbnation.com
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DONE
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN has always been very prompt in responding to my support questions. They are great.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting for them to respond to my question.
Dear SBN Support,
My father is 82 years old. He is in fairly good shape for his age. He has a lady that comes in twice per week to clean house and do laundry. Yesterday, I got off work early and decided to go by and see Dad. I knocked, but got no answer. I used the key he gave me in case of emergency to enter his apartment. I heard noises that sounded like a struggle coming from his room. When I went around the corner and peered into his room well…there was Dad alright…and the cleaning lady. She wasn’t cleaning either and there was no struggle going on!
I was, to say the least, mortified!
I snuck out of the apartment unbeknownst to the two in the bedroom. How should I approach this housekeeper about her extra curricular activities with my Dad? Should I fire her and what should I tell Dad if I do?
Also there needs to be an “unrec” option for comments and FanPosts/FanShots.
Thank you,
Santoswoodenlegs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why do I have the feeling
you actually submitted this?
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by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear SBN Support
I never thought this would happen to me, but there I was, in the hot tub with Joe Morgan, Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella. Needless to say, I was very…
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unrec'd
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not fire her
Your father is 82 years old…
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Jul 7, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how this happened...
But I think your 82 year old grandfather responded to my BCB support email.
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when is RWells eligible for the ERA title?
by CubFaninNY on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see now.
He needs 80 innings and he has 69 so far. Maybe soon.
by CubFaninNY on Jul 7, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Number of innings pitched = number of games played by team
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 7, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
a few more quality starts and he’s right up there among the leaders.
by CubFaninNY on Jul 7, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, let's see.
His next start will be Sunday — we don’t know which game yet, but after Sunday the Cubs will have played 85 games. If he throws another six innings, he’ll have 75 IP in 85 team games… it may take another 5-6 starts before he appears among the league leaders.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go cubs Go
First post from my iPhone! I’m in Chicago all week going to 4 games, the first one tonight! Last night I sat out at the capt Morgans beer garden. I’m sad to miss Wells pitching in person because he is becoming one of my favorite cubs… Last night was great again.. And I can’t wait to see him pitch against the cards this weekend!
Guy at bar: "Do you just like that hat or do you like Chicago?"
Me: "I'm in Love, Obsessed and Addicted to the Chicago Cubs!"
by KC in OK on Jul 7, 2009 8:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
donald veal in a rehab appearance
1 1/3 inning. 41 pitches. 19 strikes. 1 wild pitch. 5 er. 4 w.
i’m not sure if he’s worth $25,000 of ricketts cash if offered. i’d rather take a two tool prospect from A Ball, hire another scout, and let them keep him.
by tim815 on Jul 7, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wells short pitch counts
Al I see your point about Lou making sure he can stay healthy and perhaps more importantly not get fatigue or have to be shut down by September.
However, with the way he’s pitching, don’t you think at this point he’s earned the opportunity to try and get to the 8th or 9th inning in one of these starts (maybe one that isn’t as close in runs)?
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ya lou mentioned that the shortened up randy on purpose last night.
He mentioned how he will get an extra day off, and by shortening him up last night it will keep him nice and fresh for the second half.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we may have our answer on which game he'll pitch on Sunday.
Probably the night game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you find that Al?
I would have assumed the opposite without looking at cardinals probables.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm speculating.
Throwing the night game gives him more rest.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay got you.
Don’t you think that Lou will probably let the veteran dempster go in the night game? —All things constant with cardinals pitchers. It seems every time we have had a double header Lou (as do a lot of managers) will have the younger guy go in first game and the veteran go in the night game. Which makes this interesting is that you can argue Wells is our best pitcher since his first start in Milwaukee .
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
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by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not which* but What makes this interesting.
sorry for typo
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already has more rest
Off Tuesday – Saturday is 5 days of rest.
By that thinking, he should pitch the day game, because Dempster will also pitch on Sunday, right?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
We’ll see. They may not decide till Saturday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least until after today's game
Might depend on how long Dempster goes tonight.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
not think anyone would say he has not earned the chance to pitch late in the game. But why right now? Why possibly burn a young arm out to early in the season. Don’t over expose him at this time. Lou over time has done a nice job of not over exposing certain players. Fontenout comes to mind. Last year he was used perfectly. Due to Aram’s injury Fontenout has played much more than I think Lou would have liked him to play.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
Also there were a string of lefty’s coming up, and the way lou handled the pitching change it caused Bobby cox to waste a bench player down 2 runs. Which limited bobby’s options for the 9th inning because the player wasted was a lefty.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point
I guess the fan inside wants to see him get a CG now instead of later!
But hey if can last all season that’s the most important. Papelbon comes to mind as someone who had to be shut down in September I think in 2007 for over-use. Joba might also have had the same thing but I think I’m wrong about him.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but but but
I thought Lou = Dusty, except no one likes him?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker would like to have a word with you
Why possibly burn a young arm out to early in the season.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 7, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Jul 7, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU SBN OVERLORDS
I love mobile commenting.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No auto-update
And no telling which comments are new on a refresh. This is awesome for ~80% of the sites on SBN, and decent for Recaps, FanPosts, and FanShots. Not so good for BCB Game Threads, though – I’ll stick with the “heavy” version for those, I think.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 7, 2009 9:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're asking for a bit too much there bud.
Seems to me that a refreshing page would kill mobile battery life. When I’m on BCB mobile I mainly just want to read recaps or shots. If I’m reading BCB Mobile it’s because I’m missing the game…not because I want to walk around reading a cell phone with PxP.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy it keeps track of what comments you visited on the mobile site
So I don’t have to re-read them when I get back to my computer. It would be nice if they could color the new posts differently than the already read ones, but I’m gonna guess they’re working on that.
by madcow256 on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asking for too much? Me?
I really wasn’t complaining – just pointing out that the most trafficked section of this particular site (Game Threads) won’t see the benefit of this upgrade. Overall, I’m quite pleased with the new functionality.
In a perfect world, I’d like to see a BCB Game Thread iPhone app – one which gave the functionality of sitting in front of a keyboard (move forward & back between comments, mark comments read) with a lighter interface, such as the mobile site offers. Do I think I’m gonna get this? No. Am I going to even bother writing a feature request email for it? Nah…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be hard to have an application that kept up with the speed of BCB game threads. I’d be willing to bet other SBN sites don’t see nearly as much pageviews on game threads as they do on recaps, fanshots, and fanposts. Don’tcha think BCB is somewhat of an anomaly? I mean, we’ve had game threads with 1500-2500 comments!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance.
As the current AT&T / iPhone infrastructure is, nothing is available to accommodate that sort of load.
Hell, i’m still hoping for push GMail.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if I wanted to spend my time
Trying to develop an App like that, Andrew is right. AT&T’s infrastructure couldnt handle the speed the game threads move at.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMail, GCal and Google Docs all went out of beta today.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue is the thread size
Safari will get slower and slower as the thread increases in size, and eventually starts crashing. However, refresh frequency is right around 1 refresh per minute, and I haven’t seen an issue with that on 3G, even with the blitz of pictures that happens when the Cubs win. I would not like to see EDGE try to match that, tho…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 7, 2009 3:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lookis Like Halladay....
is officially on the market. Hope like hell the Brewers can’t swing a deal but probably have the goods to do so.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"All but gone"?
Hmm. Sounds like a certain San Diego GM last November. Here’s Ricciardi’s quote from Rosenthal’s article:
“We have to see what’s out there,” Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi says. “I’m not saying we’re going to shop him. But if something makes sense, we at least have to listen. We’re (leaning) more toward listening than we’ve ever been.”
Rosenthal is reasonably reliable, but this seems way over the top for him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal
Is more than resonable Al. He is usually always right on!!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the last one of these breathless Rosenthal rumors that has come true?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of all Baseball Reporters in the US
He’s the best in the business hands down.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't answer the question
Rosenthal is good… but when was the last time he got one right?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Important thing to remember is....
Rosenthal will never have as many breathless rumors as deep goat!!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. Got any references to support that claim?
How many “breathless rumors” with DG as the source have been posted? Can you cite 10? 5? 1?
(The most recent DG talk that I can remember was regarding an imminent change – which came to pass. So, I trust you’ll realize that doesn’t qualify.)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard more wrong than right over the last couple years!!
Lmao Ken Rosenthal don’t have sources?? Rosenthal isn’t the best in the business?? Rosenthal don’t have the scoop before anyone the majority of the time? Sorry but I will continue to believe Rosenthal until he proves he don’t have the info anymore.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And apparently continue not to answer questions
asked by people.
Baseball Writers of America, here you come!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal is right
All the time!!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and - that still doesn't answer the question
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh....
Watching Rosenthal condescending and self-righteous about the blogger/Raul Ibanez affair knocked him down quite a few pegs in my esteem…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only way we'd compete to get Halladay
is if the Blue Jays insisted buying teams take one of their burdensome contracts and we were willing to take one on – and buy burdensome, I mean Vernon Wells’ albatross.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or if they thought
kevin hart would be the next dennis eckersley.
by tim815 on Jul 7, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never underestimate J.P.'s inanity
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would suck
If he went to an NL Central team.
I could see an AL West team going for him too though.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but who??
Let’s make a list of teams that could afford him. Brewers and Cards are definitely 2 of them and have the prospects to swing a deal. The Phillies need a starter but I don’t see where he would fit into their alreadt cash strapped budget. The Dodgers maybe? ………………
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a sickening gut feeling
The Brewers have a real good chance in a deal but of course that’s all speculation.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From MLB Trade Rumors:
Brewers – Alcides Escobar would appeal to the Jays, who don’t have an answer at short after Marco Scutaro becomes a free agent this year. But Escobar’s untouchable, and probably wouldn’t net Halladay on his own.
White Sox – The White Sox were in on Jake Peavy, so they could make a play for Halladay. As Rosenthal says, Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda wouldn’t be enough, but they also have Gordon Beckham.
Cubs – Until Jim Hendry gets the go-ahead to add payroll the Cubs are an unlikely destination, especially because they don’t have big-name prospects to tempt the Jays.
I see the Phillies and Brewers as the best fits, since they crave pitching, have young talent and play in another league.
More here.
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 7, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun for Halliday!
j/k
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think they'd take
Hoffpauir and Miles, if we tossed in a rental of Harden? :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they have to as it would be the Cubs making the offer? ;)
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could see him going to the brewers.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 7, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance the Cubs...
can compete with what other teams will offer for Halladay. Sure would be great though!
by kanderber on Jul 7, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we
have the prospects to swing such a deal? They way the article sounds, we would need to put a package together around Vitters and probably Harden. It would be amazing to add Halladay to our already good rotation, but he is going to be very expensive prospect wise.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting pitching isn't really a need
I’d love to see Halladay in Cubbie blue but the price would be too high and I’d rather get two good shut down bullpen arms.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he speaks Canadian?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's that all aboot?
Eh?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
I suppose a similar graph could be made about Cub fans vs. everyone else bringing up goats, foul balls, etc.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is going to take Harden right now for much
A guy with a 5.00+ ERA and history of injury.
It’s Cubs best bet to have him hopefully pitch well for the rest of the season, let him be a FA and Cubs sign a 4th or 5th starter that can give them innings next year.
I like Harden enough, but any off-season signings should be targeted towards a real 2B.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Harden has 3 months left with the Cubs (plus any postseason time). His trade value is lower than the value he could potentially give us with his pitching down the stretch.
That’s assuming he’s healthy of course. But if he’s not healthy, then he doesn’t have trade value anyway.
by SouthernCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or SS, and move Theriot to 2B
Although a second baseman would probably be easier to acquire.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Jul 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have so many second basemen
we need an exterminator, not another one.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant one who can play 162 games with a solid bat.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot, Miles and Blanco have been using corked bats?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope they'd be hitting somewhat better if that was true
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worse
they’ve been using ephemeral ones.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will roy halladay be the new Robert's/Peavy?
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 huge pitches in last night games.
Marshall getting Mccaan to ground out to D-lee to end the 7th and strand two runners. And than the next inning with marmol. The ump had a really tight zone on both sides and marmol was getting squeezed some on close pitches. Marmol got the clutch double play ball to the end the inning. By getting the 4-6-3 ball it helped out Gregg big time. Chipper was on deck when the game ended last night. Without the double play ball Chipper would have had a chance to hit representing the tying run. Good pitching by both marshall and marmol with that tight strike zone. I also think the braves submarine guy moylan got squeezed as did Wells and Jurjens on many occasions (Ump was consistent though).
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What roster moves were made
to clear the way for Aramis, Reed, Guzman?
If this was discussed can somebody point me to it?
Being a Cubs fan is something you're born into... Nobody would be a Cubs fan by choice. - Me
by Scruff0082 on Jul 7, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuld and Hart sent down
Patton to DL
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
Being a Cubs fan is something you're born into... Nobody would be a Cubs fan by choice. - Me
by Scruff0082 on Jul 7, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulled groin.
Man, i can’t stop chuckling about that. If you are going to invent an injury for one of your guys, why not invent something that won’t hurt him with the ladies while he’s off? Uncool, Cubs.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 7, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if he pulled the goin while with a lady
Then he’s got a sexy story to tell. :P
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 7, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Stoney's last tweet
“Cub fans rejoice. The last time a team was sold midseason was 2002. The angels were sold to arte moreano. They won the world series.”
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering the sale isn't complete yet, this might be a wee bit premature.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know. I just thought it was funny for him to say this when his last tweet was
“Jason marquis pithed 8 strong scoreless innings as the rockies shutout the nats 1-0. The cubs paid 5.3ml to trade him. His 11 wins lead NL.”
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
is very Pithy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Wells is better and Bradley is starting to hit. Stone needs to STFU sometimes.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"sometimes"?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love stone and don't understand all the hatred.
I know he has a big ego but he is often right and one of the best color men in the game. I would take him back in a heart beat along with chip carray. Also all Stoney is stating is FACTS.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have agreed with you
early last year. Right now though, I like Len and Bob better than I liked Chip and Stoney. Len and Bob are far more entertaining to listen to, and, at least IMO, a more knowledgeable duo than Chip and Stoney. I really like how Len discusses the “up and coming” stats as opposed to just BA, HR, and RBI. Bob, like Stoney, speaks his mind, which is refreshing, but without the arrogance that always seemed to permeate Stone’s comments. For some reason, after listening to Len for the last couple seasons, Chip’s voice during Sunday’s game was a little grating to me.
Or maybe being forced to listen to Stone and Hawk during the Cubs-Sox series has colored my opinion of Stone.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the rapport of Len and Bob, too.
Plus, Chip Caray HAD A HABIT OF SOUNDING LIKE AN ERIC HANA FANPOST
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Stone has an ego but he also has a TON of baseball wisdom.
Brenly has really improved from when he stared in 2005. adding more and expertise insight, tips, and tricks from both managing and player perspective. I am glad he has been more critical of fundamental lapses you could always tell there were times he would bite his tongue. I wish sometimes he would be a little more analytical with managing and strategy options during the games like Stoney did. Stone did an excellent job of laying out all the possible pros and cons in almost every situation. I have to admit I was not a big fan of Kasper early on. He is growing on me and you can tell he has gained some confidence plus Len and Bob’s chemistry is great. I do however wish they would cut some of the non-baseball banter out in close games and both become more involved anaylzing moves and possible moves. Bob has far exceeded my expectations and is bringing more and more unique baseball knowledge to the table.
Len continues to improve and I would rate them as B+ together (far better than majority of other teams crews). However Chip and Stoney and Harry and Stoney will always be ahead of them in my book. Also I think Chip and Stone just worked so well together. They really complimented each others strengths and assets beautifully. Hearing Chip do the TBS game made me realize how much I miss Chip and Stoney. They had a dynamic duo that was quite rare.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize for the shot, but I have to tell you I'm
really happy to hear Bob is now blinking and looking away occasionally.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait what I am confused?
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You werer discussing his staring in 2005.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, wererer. Typos is FUNdamental
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh lol ya sorry for typos.
I was in class and in a hurry with a teachers assistant walking around. I do not know what I would do in class without BCB. I might actually have to pay attention.
"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"
Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez then ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001
by MandMexpress12 on Jul 7, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade for Halladay except .... he's 31.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and there's no point of trading your future for a guy that old.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mobile commenting-awesome
But the site is jacked on my laptop now- the sidebar don’t display right and I can’t post
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jul 7, 2009 9:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
No problems here. Send an email to support@sbnation.com, let them know your OS and browser and how this happened.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That happens to me...
more frequently than l’d like, as well…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells is the upside surprise of 2009
Like Dempster last year.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was looking at Cub hitters k/bb stats
and pretty much everyone in the lineup is roughly on pace with their 2008 numbers for strikeouts and walks — except for Theriot, who is striking out WAY more often than he did last year, almost twice as much. I realize this isn’t rocket science but I do believe that it was a pretty toxic combination to have your 1-2 hitters in the lineup fail to make contact so often. Soriano was moved down which was good, I think there is a STRONG argument to have
Bradley bat 2nd – particularly on days when Reed Johnson is starting.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou has screwed the pooch on Riot
With his suggestion of driving the ball more often, Riot thinks he should hit 25-30 homers a year at the detriment of making good contact. His slugging percentage has gone up, but now his OBP has dropped 40 points from last year. Not a good trade off for me.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Theriot needs to get back to his bread and butter of ground balls and line drives to right field. Especially with the way Lee is hitting right now, TheRiot is more valuable to the team when he is getting on base.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take your pick
Theriot’s average is down and strikeouts are up, but he is doing what his manager has asked him to do and that’s be a team player. Lou wanted him to try to drive the ball more and he has. Without Ramirez in the lineup and Soriano’s sharp decline during the season, the team really needed other people to pick up the slack. That may be less of a big deal for Theriot at this point with Ramirez back in the lineup.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Lou asked Riot to swing for the fences before both things happened.
Riot started hitting his homers on May 1st.
ARam went down on May 8th.
Sori’s decline started happening May 19(begiing of not having any multpile hit games)
Sounded good when Lou suggested it, but now the trade off with higher K’s and lower OBP, it has not been good for the team as a whole.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot has been better
He had a poor stretch for a couple weeks but he’s hitting well over .300 for the last few weeks. Strikeouts might go up but as long as he continues his career .BA numbers then I’m OK with that.
Plus strikeouts are better than hitting into a double play.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am back from my vacation
And it’s great to see that the cubs are on a roll.
Also, this mobile comments feature is awesome (posting this from my iPhone)
by cubsnlinux on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It shows that you posted from mobile
Right next to your post time :)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back on vacation
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the car smell?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used febreeze, so it was ok for day 1 and day 2
After day 2 the foul smell was all gone.
by cubsnlinux on Jul 7, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Halladay
Say he does go to the Brewers…I think long-term they can’t afford him for 2010.
Wasn’t it last year that they said if they kept Sabathia on the team expect someone like Prince Fielder to possibly be traded as they couldn’t afford to keep both men on the team.
15Mil for Hallady and salaries for Braun and Fielder. Milwaukee might not be in the running as everyone thinks.
by ak123 on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mobile commenting should produce some interesting posts...
…from the bleachers, from the bar, from Waveland, etc.
I’m just imagining the gibberish that will flow from drunken fingers in the upcoming game threads! :)
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Jul 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that what Twitter's for?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh yes
But now it will end up directly on BCB… no link clicking required :)
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if mobile devices can get a signal at the game.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley can be sketchy
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Text messages are about all I can get to go through at games
Calls occasionally, and data almost never. Loading a game thread on my phone at a game would probably never happen.
by madcow256 on Jul 7, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A note on Braun's comments
As much as we (for the most part) despise Ryan Braun and everything he is and stands for, one thing that everyone SHOULD remember is that he’s still basically a kid. A kid who is a star on a small market team.
He’s going to get frustrated and his inexperience with management, fans, and teammates will show every once in a while. His teammates will make sure he figures it out – and if he doesn’t, he’ll end up with the dreaded “clubhouse cancer” label.
Being young isn’t an excuse, it’s just a reality.
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably worth of a fanshot
But I don’t feel like making one.
AwfulAnnouncing has video of Estrada’s interview for those of you who missed it. Seems like its going to have legend status by the end of the day.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make sure to watch this gem
It’s the stuff of legends, sprinkled with sparkling fairy dust and rays of moonshine.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 7, 2009 12:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Let's run down the legendary checklist
Off Key – Check
Botched lyrics – Check
Rambling Guest – Check
B Lister – Check
Reference to Reality TV – Check
Reference to Tammy Faye Baker – Check
Reference to Porn Star – Check
Yup, all the bases well covered here.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Don’t forget the kiddie pr0n. That alone puts it over the top and makes it the #1 craziest 7th inning interview ever.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 7, 2009 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the part where his cell phone chirped?
Clearly he was sexting researching wrong-doers
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second buyer for the Cubs being reporter on CNBC, Mark Utay is in the mix.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Link?
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw a report on CNBC on TV, no link yet from online.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reuters
Link:
Tribune Co has agreed to terms for the sale of the Chicago Cubs to a group led by private equity investor Marc Utay, giving the company two offers to submit to the bankruptcy court, two sources familiar with the sale process said on Tuesday.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to be funny; I don't understand what you're trying to tell us here
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The gist is that Mark Utay is combining with Ricketts as the buyer of the Cubs.
Still sketchy.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
it sounds like Utay is leading a group that is putting in an offer to compete with Ricketts
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The link has a different take than the report on CNBC, that's why I said sketchy.
But something is def changing.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
They’re having competing offers. And in order to settle the bankrupcy they need solid proof of those assets being taken care of.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so there's a chance the owner could be Utay?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short answer: yes
Long answer: who knows
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell
Sure.
Admittedly, this financial stuff is really out of my league. But if I’m reading it right, all this (and yesterday’s news) means is that the Trib has 2 offers iron out and agreed to on both sides.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the impression that the Trib would present both offers to the bankrupcy judge
Maybe Ivy Walls can shed some light on the situation.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty much my theory
that the two offers are for the benefit of the bankruptcy judge.
as if nearly billion dollar transfer wasn’t complicated enough…
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The part that I don't understand
is that the Cubs and Wrigley were not included in the assets of the Trib when it filed for bankruptcy, so the question is, why does the Judge have to approve the sale?
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't the
bankruptcy judge just have to know that those assets not included in the action itself are taken care of?
Something like that. Its (AFAIK) just a way to keep tabs on the transfer of the assets make sure Zell isn’t trying to be shady about it.
It also might have something to do with Zell being able to prove further income to settle his remaining debts.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright thanks
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok; thanks. Because it kind of read like gwood's comment below.
A bit ambiguous.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*above
Ambiguous . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No love for Bradley's great catch?
I haven’t seen anybody mention the great defensive play Bradley made last night. Nobody else impressed?
by McRipper on Jul 7, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point - it was a great play
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll get on board with that.
Bradley needs some love, I’ll get it to him.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jul 7, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give anyone props for crashing into the wall
As long as it doesn’t lead to another trip to the non-DL
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Jul 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a nice catch
I think it mostly suffers from “too early in the game”itis.
:-P
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Dan...
even I can give him props for making that catch.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got lots of love
in the game thread last night for that great catch.
by sue369 on Jul 7, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of interesting
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PHENOMENAL blog post.
Just PHENOMENAL.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bug off there Chris Evert...
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's EXACTLY right
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet. First I've heard of this.
Me likely.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Wrigley
But it needs some fixing up. Bad.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Cubbie Tim?
I need to buy a jersey.
And, I mean, like I’ll send him money, and he’ll send me a jersey. Like a normal transaction.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You deal with trolls?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to pay the troll toll
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get inside that boy's soul
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your alliteration needs more CAPS!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I alliterate
Therefore: iamb
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alliteration allways allows all of us to seem so smart sometimes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask not for whom the troll trolls...
…he trolls for thee
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 7, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbie-Tim is a troll?
Really?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
News to me as well
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you listen to that guy
with the annoying e on his name, sure.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
santoswoodENlEgs?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
my clue would’ve been clearer if i could type… the one with the annoying e on the END of his name
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about yourself again, Allie?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I keep forgetting I did that.
I NEVER have an E on my name but somoene on SBnation already had my name… so I added the e. And it drives me nuts.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫♪You say "potatoe", I say "potato"♪♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprising the mambo-ers
were the first to figure out the music note trick
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫ebony and ivory...♪
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, wonder whether Estrada is watching the memorial service...
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jul 7, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
☮
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, my kingdom for a day game
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
no kidding…
stupid tuesday night games. stuck in a stinky llama barn while theres a game on wgn. the universe has a sense of humor.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stinky llama barn?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
we’re at the point of 4H where we have to change buildings.
From the nice clean-ish building to the llama show arena.
2 weeks left til fair!!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Gruberson
Please report to the Llama Show Arena. Mr. Gruberson, please report to the Llama Show Arena. Your Llama is showing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to get a beagle to leave the
floor of the llama show arena alone…
its my own personal hell.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's
something you won’t hear everyday
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Brown
Please report to the Llama Show Area. Your Beagle is dogging the Llamas.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This needs to be added to the BCB Dictionary....
I’m not sure what the definition should be….but it sounds too awesome to not be used more often here.
Stinky Llama Barn.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+english lady
i miss doing that.
in the ERIC HANNA fanpost someone linked to my favorite fan post ever (the blue mike bras = pr0n)…
we should bring back english lady
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
ERIC HANNA fanpost . . . porn . . . Eric Estrada . . . how odd.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to BCB
where everything new… is connected to something we’ve already done
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there you have it
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's really
a blog about nothing. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. MAYBE THAT'S WHY ERIC WAS SHOUTING
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is connected.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 7, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
I really liked that show.
Plus who wouldn’t follow Capt. Winters…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 7, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming soon.
Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday (1 of 2).
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I'm 'working' now
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhh.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa DL'ed
by dimarco on Jul 7, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've always wondered
why there are times that a newspaper from another city will break news before a local paper does. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jul 7, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering it JUST made the Trib wire
and we were talking about it 3 hours ago…
Makes you wonder.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brutal
Jim’s plan has come to fruition. Wood tosses a few games to the Cubs, and DeRo sucks up some Cardinal prospects.
Also, I can’t believe this is a real Wikipedia article
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just skimmed it, but it doesn't look like Mike Royko got his due in that article
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, it's wrong.
The 2001 Diamondbacks had FOUR ex-Cubs:
Grace, Gonzalez, Morgan… and Miguel Batista, who went 0-5, 5.70 in 11 appearances (6 starts) for the 1997 Cubs.
Plus, that team had two FUTURE Cubs, Tony Womack and Damian Miller. And a future Cubs broadcaster in Bob Brenly.
They smashed that ex-Cub factor something good.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 7, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to give credit to another BCB poster
For This forgetting of DeRosa.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shirt must be a voodoo doll
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad Jim didn't do what 90% of the people here wanted,
and trade for this injury prone bum.
by dimarco on Jul 7, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum?
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 7, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay! Facts!
In 12 MLB seasons, or 967 MLB games, DeRosa has been on the DL now a grand total of THREE TIMES. His last DL stint was in 2006. You’re right, “injury prone bum” indeed!
Dan
(I can’t link to DeRo’s injuries, but just type in his name…)
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 7, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tasty
but needs more BBQ sauce.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 7, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
na...
Needs more BCB sauce!
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 7, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 7, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my sacrasm font is borked again
Quick! Email sbnation support!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Randy still considered a rookie?
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Why wouldn’t he be?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
I was reading Heyman’s column yesterday and Wells wasn’t even mentioned in the top 5 NL Rookies. Seemed kinda strange to me.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the baseline for pitchers
is 50 innings pitched the previous season, or so many days on the 25 man roster (can’t remember the number though)
by tootle on Jul 7, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand how Tommy Hanson (according to writers) gets the award over Randy
When he has pitched twice as many innings as Hanson.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROY usually seems to go
to the best known prospect, not always the guy with the best performance.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but seriously to not be in the top 5 is a major joke
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 7, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this team likes being the underdog
Everyone started counting them out, then we lost Rami and it was gonna be the end of the season. But they have stayed in it. I mean when did Soto really start being talked about in the ROY discussions.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 playoffs
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You win
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't really going for that
i like your theory.
maybe being the “nobody believed in us” team would get them over the hump? i think i’ve been reading too much bill simmons. :-P
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 7, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comedy of it won
But honestly this team has too much pressure. The past 2 years they have been picked to win the world series. I think this come from behind and win the NL central might be what they need.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by jkobus on Jul 7, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when it comes down to it i think it will be between hanson wells or rasmus
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 7, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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