Who'll Stop The Rain? - Cubs vs. Braves Preview: Wednesday 7/8, 1:20 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT
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PrintThe National Weather Service forecast says there's only a 30% chance of showers this afternoon, but you know how that goes. Haven't we had enough rain this spring and early summer already? If for any reason today's game cannot be played, it would have to be held till the end of the season. The Braves and Cubs have only one common off-day: August 24, and playing on that date would force the Cubs to play 34 days in a row, something they'd never approve.
We are promised warmer weather beginning tomorrow. And more rain chances by Friday.
While Kevin Hart has never started a major league game, he has 99 minor league starts over the last five and a half seasons, including six this year for Iowa. His Triple-A numbers were good this season: a 3.10 ERA and 1.13 WHIP in 52.1 innings. He last started June 16 vs. Oklahoma City, and threw six innings, allowed six hits, three walks and one run, and struck out seven.
Hart may turn out to be a Randy Wells-like godsend, or he could be... not so good. So with Ryan Dempster out for what may be an extended period, should the Cubs go after Toronto's Roy Halladay? He might, and I emphasize "might", be available. Who would you give up? And be realistic, don't say "Aaron Miles, Aaron Heilman and some other minor league dregs not named Aaron."
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Kenshin Kawakami faced the Cubs on June 2 in Atlanta. He allowed four runs (three earned) in seven innings, but didn't get the decision in a 6-5 Atlanta win. Alfonso Soriano homered off him -- Soriano has hit only one HR since then.
More on Kevin Hart: he threw a scoreless inning of relief in the rainout makeup game in Atlanta on June 22, issuing a walk but allowing no hits. That's his only career appearance vs. the Braves, and this is his first major league start. Often, pitchers the Cubs face in their first ML starts do well. Perhaps the Cubs can turn the tables today.
Today's game is on cable only in Chicago (CSN) and Atlanta (SportSouth). For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Overflow comment threads will post today at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Pulling a Randy Wells = Pitch effectively with no run support?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Getting Halladay?
What for really? We would have to give up a lot to fill a hole that isnt leaking as bad as other holes. Our starting pitching is just fine, I would like to see Marshall starting but since he has cemented himself in the bullpen quite well I dont think that will happen. We need to be out getting a bat if anything.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Because then we could flip him for BRIAN ROBERTS!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
OMG!
How could I not see it, the genius of it!!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Because that would totally
propel Baltimore into 1st place by the end of the season.
Here we go Cubbies
Here we go! Win the series!
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
hey mondello
How’s life in the Dells area?
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Maddy
Not terrible…staying out of town for the most part. The smart thing to do in the summer!
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
Isnt it the same in the winter?
Crazy amount of tourists, I have to admit those resorts are nice as hell though
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Traffic isn't bad
in the winter. Most of the resorts are on the outer edges of town…so easily avoided.
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
Greetings, fellow Badgers
I work in Delavan, just outside of Lake Geneva. It’s actually kind of fun to go there for lunch in the summer when not much is going on. But I see mondello’s point.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 8, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Shanghai!
How goes it? Hopefully well…and a Cubs win would help that.
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
Not too bad.
And, yes, a win would indeed help. Always does.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 8, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Overcast, but have my windows open
Summers been fun so far, gotton down to union a few times to catch the free music on the weekend.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't gone to one of those concerts in years
They are very cool
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Hart...
Should’ve shaved on photo day. That thing on his face is hideous.
"Whoever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" - Frank Chance
lineup
Dome
Milt
Lee
Rami
Fox (lf)
Soto
Baker (2b)
Blanco (ss)
Hart
Sori and Riot rest today.
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Bradley in the 2 spot is intriguing
He’s been getting on base lately. Maybe Lee can hit 3-run homers instead of 2-run homers in the 1st inning.
MB
can take a lot of pitches…draw walks…set up the rest of the lineup.
"Don't give me any of that ole' bulls#!t." - Lou Brown
Good spot for him
Until he gets his left-handed swing worked out.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LaRussa...
…would have put Bradley in the 2 hole right out of the chute.
I don’t know how long he lasts there, because I believe they want him to break up the RH hitters in the middle.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Milton batting 2nd? Common sense has prevailed!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Blanco playing SS? Be still my beating heart!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like what Gordo added to his tweet
Theri-blow, SoriaNO, Today’s Cubs: Fuky, Milt, Lee, Rami, Fox (LF), Soto, Baker (2b), Blanco (ss), Hart.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I see no reason to go after another starter.
We have Marshall. What we should do is get a real LOOGY, so that Marshall can be a real swingman.
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That's the
only piece I see that is missing. A left handed pitcher that actually pitches better against left-handed hitters, what a concept :).
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
Apparently you haven't seen Marshall's LH/RH splits...
Against LHB this year: .171/.271/.290 (.562 OPS)
Against RHB this year: .282/.335/.468 (.803 OPS)
He’s doing a terrific job as the LOOGY.
Yes, Cotts is a terrible LOOGY...
and to be fair, Marshall was better against RHB than LHB last year. But in 2007 and so far this year, he’s been far better against LHB than RHB.
it's just a waste
of his ability, is all.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
He can get multiple outs, and go multiple innings consistently
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Oh I agree he can do more than that...
but I’d rather “waste” his abilities than overpay for a LOOGY midseason.
except
we now need someone to spot start for Dempster. Which will be more expensive — a LOOGY or a new Starter?
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We only need a few starts for Dempster...
I’d rather stay in-house than trade for a LOOGY. We could either simply go with Hart and leave Marshall to the pen, or go with Marshall and use Waddell as the LOOGY. I don’t think it’s worth overpaying for a month’s worth of a LOOGY.
If we trade for a pitcher, I’d have to be a star back-end of the bullpen guy or a middle/upper tier starter.
I agree...
…though I’m not sure what’s become of Waddell. On ’GN’s “injury update” last night, he was still listed as out with a “non-baseball-related medical issue.” I’m curious as to how soon Fossum could be brought up. Otherwise, perhaps just do without a left in the penfor a while – yeah, God forbid – and bring up Jeff Stevens.
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Stevens
Time to see what he can do.
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
This teams could really use one more shut-down bullpen arm
The only spot to upgrade is bullpen or SS, and I don’t see use getting an SS with the crazy demand on them now.
The bats are coming around. MB is better than Edmonds and, the Fontenot/Baker platoon should be ~ DeRosa, and Fukudome is getting it together. And the bench is much deeper.
This is a better team than last year’s, and I think we’re about to see a huge break-out.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Beimel wants out of Washington.
Of course he prefers to go back to LA, but I’d like to have him in the pen.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Beimel was busy blowing last night's
game to the Rockies, via a bonehead mental error (not in boxscore) so he couldn’t make it to Chicago. No thank you. He’s a great fit with one of the worst teams in recent MLB history.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Beimel's been one of the best left handed relief guys that last couple years.
You say no thank you because of one game?! Wow.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
We don't need Halladay. We need to score runs.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Big Z apparently tried to cleanse the PA system this morning.
@lenandbob:Z came up to the pressbox this morning—sang the 1st part of Take Me Out… on the PA…great singing voice! Len #Cubs
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*Meant to say: ...cleanse the PA system of Erik Estrada
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That involves an anti-bacterial bath
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
And a complete overwrite of your hard drive.
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And he was just reading the lyric sheet - GEEZ!
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Has anyone actually suggested that they do away with the "celebrity" singers...
and just have a player (bench, bullpen, the next or previous starting pitcher) do it? THAT would be awesome.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Hm, that's not a bad idea.
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Someone should write a fanshot about it
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
GETIT DONE JIM!
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'D REC THIS FANPOST!!!
I’D REC IT, I TELL YA!!!
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how about we just do away with the singer all together
Organist can play the song, the crowd can sing along if they like. I’m okay never hearing another tone deaf person sing that song again for the rest of my life
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
And miss Ozzie? And Ditka?
Boo-hoo. (Just kidding. Sarcasm font required.)
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I know you were being sarcastic
but I also know some people find it hilarious to get a bunch of people who can’t sing worth a lick to get up there and sing into the Mic. I find it incredibly annoying
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
not to mention the lame ass interviews after they sing
would be done away with, and that would be worth it alone
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That I'm in favor of.
I can stand the comic singing. It’s funny. But I guess the celebrities won’t sing without the free promotion that the interviews give them. Therefore, down with the celebrity singing!
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that lenandbob on twitter?
How do I follow that?
Gordo too?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Yep.
Len and Bob are @lenandbob and Gordo is @cst_cubs.
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Cool... got it now!
You are now following lenandbob.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
remember
the restraining order requires that you be 50 feet away AT ALL TIMES.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
My new twitter account
@50ftnexttolenandbob
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
I would
trade Z, Shark, and Bradley.
Oops! Blocked by NTC yet again!
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
I don't think Bradley
has an NTC. But I wouldn’t trade them anyway. Well, maybe shark.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
For Halladay?
When you can get rid of 2 drama queens and a “prospect” for the most consistent pitcher in the game (arguably) I think you have to pull the trigger on that sort of a deal. Bradley’s reputation and perceived personality, along with his salary, are as good as an NTC anyway. :)
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
nope.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Jays will be trying for top prospects
or younger players not yet making big money. They’re looking to shed payroll, I don’t think taking MB or any contract like that is in their best interest
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Don't think that you can come up with the players to get it done...
The LA Times, discussing the Angels’ interest, suggests that:
A deal for Halladay would probably cost the Angels pitcher Jered Weaver, a top pitching prospect such as Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden, top hitting prospect Brandon Wood and a young big leaguer such as Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick.
I don’t think that the Cubs can match that, and regardless, that’s a really high price for 1 1/2 years of Halladay for a team with other issues.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
This is how the conversation goes
Ricciardi: We’ll give you Roy for Randy Wells, Sean Marshall, and Josh Vitters
Hendry: …
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why on earth would the Jays want that
The idea is to clear salary and get back affordable quality players.
Not only would they not want it
It’s impossible. They’ve locked so much cash into Wells, and Rios that they can’t afford MB or Z, let alone both of them.
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Kawakami
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Light em up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 8, 2009 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, doing two-tiered "Light em ups" this season.
I like it.
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If they really wanted to Halliday
The one plus is that Toronto is in the American League.
How about Jake Fox, Angel Guzman, and a pitching prospect or two?
The only reason I’d think Cubs would consider going after him is if any other NL team was trying as well.
what pitching prospect?
we really don’t have any more
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, Jay Jackson may get some attention.
But I really don’t think the Cubs are in the running for Halladay. Latest indications say Phillies may be frontrunner.
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darn. I'd really like him to stay out of the National League
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
At least it appears likely he won’t be coming to the NL Central…or I haven’t heard anything to that effect just yet.
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How about a young Papelbon?
I don’t know how he’s doing in A or AA but that last name alone could raise an eyebrow.
Our pitching is awesome, and we're hovering at .500
Get friggin some bats!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
OMG. LOL.
just noticed.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Hey, whatever helps the team.
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I'd rather
they get some friggin bats rather than friggin some bats. Ouch !
by Southside Steve on Jul 8, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but if you can get one of the best pitchers
You shoul do it.
I’ve been against Peavy, etc… but this one is a little different.
Rumors
Rumors say Milwaukee may go after him. I’m not entirely sold that the Cubs need more starting pitching if Dempster is only going to miss a few starts. Inconsistent offense has been the problem and there aren’t many trades that can fix that problem.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Not really...
…what we need are the hitters we have to start hitting like they can.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The question: How good can they really and consistently hit?
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 8, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question...
…but judging by their track records, hopefully a heck of a lot better than they did in the first half.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
the brewers arent going to trade their top prospects
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Just read the Jays are looking for...
premium bats and shortstops in possible deal
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Well we won't trade Theriot
He’s one of our cheapest every day players….so we might not have anything for them.
Soto scratched from lineup
with mild left oblique strain, per twittermeyer. Now Hill plays day game after night game.
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let's hope this doesn't become a nagging one
That is the last thing the cubs need right now :(
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the lineup less with that note
but it’s still pretty solid
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
It just never ends.
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TWSS
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Theriot and Marmol?
I don’t think the Cubs are going to get Halladay anyway, but Theriot and Marmol for Halladay could be doable. I know the Blue Jays don’t want junk in return for Halladay. Marmol, at times, has looked like junk this season, but I believe he will get his control problems under control. Frankly, I don’t think the Cubs have enough bargaining chips to make a good deal with Toronto. The Cubs need bats more than arms anyway.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Pretty sure the jays are looking for pitching prospects, relief or starting
as well as a SS prospect, Scutaro won’t be coming back after his current deal I wouldn’t say. They’re only around the 80 mil payroll for next year, It’s sad to say but I don’t think they could afford Theriot. lol. jays -1
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
You're Probably Right
I don’t see the Cubs having very many good pitching prospects right now, which is what Toronto would want. I thought Theriot would be more desirable than Andres Blanco in a deal, but Theriot isn’t that young anymore. The needs of the Cubs and the needs of the Jays aren’t compatible with each other.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That's a bad move from Cubs
Guys like Marmol, Theriot and Soto are cheap every day players.
That would be hell in the off-season to pay for Halladay, definitely have to sign a 2B/SS and maybe get more relief help.
New lineup
fuky, theriot, lee, rami, bradley, fox, baker, hill, hart.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
argh
now BLANCO is scratched? WHY?
new lineup:
Dome
Riot
Lee
Rami
Bradley
Fox
Baker
Hill
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
hart.
why scratch Blanco???
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
you were so excited too
no Blanco at SS is deflating!
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Yeah...I was all...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What we need to do is
find a way to bring back Corey Patterson and Felix Pie now that they have reached their full potential.
Why?
We already have a bunch of outfielders who can’t hit.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Jul 8, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Soto try and duck under a railing?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
I hope he wasn't reaching for his one-hitter.
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A deal
Realistically, I think it would be extremely difficult for the Cubs to pull off a deal for Halladay without giving up the farm. If you need another starter, you’d probably have to look for another team willing to sell for what the Cubs would be willing to offer. Jim Hendry was extremely lucky that the Harden deal fell in his lap when it did last season. I honestly think the Cubs need a bat more than a starter, but the problems with Dempster might necessitate it. We never really know these things, so a new swing man might not hurt if they need one. Sean Marshall is good for long relief, but I’d rather not see him start. I think we’ve learned that the hard way. The front office needs to think little pieces because that’s what this team needs. We should have all the big pieces we need to make it.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Did you know Randy Wells was considered the 6th best prospect in the Cubs organization?
That’s pretty high. Hope he shows it.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
whoops my b
i mean kevin hart.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
meant*
jeez whats up with these mistakes
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You were secretly hoping Hart = Wells
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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haha yeah.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You know he's not pitching today, right?
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Does anyone know
what channel Sportssouth in on Direct TV?
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Jul 8, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
649
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
np
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by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Cubs somehow get Halladay
Vitters will be in the deal.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
It's going to take alot
to get him. I think we need another bat more.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Doc is gonna be a BEAST in the NL
if he does indeed switch leagues. The Doc is pretty sick… the jays bullpen probably hit the clubs the night before every Halladay start
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
maybe besides Lincecum or Haren
he’s the best pitcher in MLB.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as the infield doesn't suck
He’s dirty with the groundouts. I’ve been lucky to see him pitch a lot in TO and it’ll be pretty bummed if he goes to the Yanks or RedSox.
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Sigh...
@cst_cubs Soto to be reexamined friday. With 4 games in 3 days Cubs could be forced to get robinson or clevinger from iowa.
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What about Fox?
Or is he too much of a liability back there?
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Probably too risky...
…but it’ll be interesting to see whether they go that route.
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He proved a lot of people wrong at 3rd
So you never know. But what is with the injuries this year?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Catching is different... do you really want him calling a game?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Not really no
But it is an option
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Remember how much we hated Michael Barrett behind the plate?
Fox would be Barrett x 2
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
I'm not sure Z would be able to throw down with Fox
but it would be a good matchup
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
It would be 9/11 times 100
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
HAHAHA
Who was that? I faintly remember one of the new kids dropping that one, but my memory fails me.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
It is from Team America
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
He has 276 games at C...
35 errors, and a .984 fielding percentage…
But yeah, not sure how he’d call a game.
He'd be looking in the dugout a lot
Like, before every pitch.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know anything about either of Robinson or Clevinger?
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Robinson is
Canadian: .315/.320/.431, 1 HR, 32 RBIs, 58 games
Clevinger: .274/.314/.327, 0 HR, 11 RBIs in 33 games, contact hitter,
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
no
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Geovany Soto strained his left oblique during BP on Wednesday and will have an MRI.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
No, it's a strained oblique - ribcage.
They just said on the pregame that he pulled it in batting practice.
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It's a shame
Espn had this as a stat just last week. :)
He has now gone 20-for-66 over his last 20 games. He has 11 extra-base hits in those games to go with his 12 RBI.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the baseball gods do not want the cubs to play with their spring training lineup
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with most of you. Instead of Halladay, the Cubs need a bat.
Maybe in CF (?), 2B, or SS
Some names that i find interesting: Jeremy Hermida, Melky Cabrera, David DeJesus, Randy Winn, Sanchez ….. , and one name that is in the same mold as Halladay. Carl Crawford. The Rays probably can’t afford to pay him long term so if the Cubs have a huge huge huge package, maybe they can get Crawford. Understand me now, Carl Crawford is just as unlikely as Hallday.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
The rays have a mancrush on speed
Crawfords been there forever, but eventually all these top level players need to get paid. Someone big will leave. I just don’t think it will be Crawford, Upton, or Longo
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Hallady would be a luxury... and a knee-jerk reaction to an injury.
Bat would be a difference maker… we need a run producer at a spot that’s not producing runs: 2B or SS. We’re tied to our OF for better or worse… because of those horrible contracts.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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maybe a team takes fukudome .... it's possible
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I know most of you probably don't care but
Stoney’s last couple tweets:
Here is todays trivia question. What pitcher leads the major leagues in wins. Matt cain-no, tim lincecum-no, halliday-no,its jason marquis.
Tony LaRussa has dropped his lawsuit against twitter. I can now criticize cards. I cant do it because they spent 77ml on team. Cubs 135ml.
Yeah, he needs to stop …. if this is really him.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
It's not a "verified account"...
…but I’m pretty sure it’s him. And, yeah, he’s annoying as hell. Never misses a cheap shot at the Cubs.
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Allow me to insist with my theory
He has a playground crush. He doesn’t know how to express this feelings as he isn’t mature enough to channel them. Thusly, he acts it out aggressively.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
he's SO JEALOUS.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. [ibid] This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the little box thingy with pitching stats under the guys' pictures?
And why does Kevin Hart look like a French painter?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
#beardfail
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LOL.
Vasquez’s picture yesterday was pretty weird as well.
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by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
for the Cubs to get him, i would probably take
Vitters, Samardzija, Jackson, Cashner, and probably more.
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by lexmarklover on Jul 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Again...
…can someone remind me why we need starting pitching again? Dempster’s going to miss three to four starts, and one of those was yesterday. Because starting pitching has been our weakness? How bout we take Soriano and Bradley out back and tell them to start hitting like their paid? 8 more games til Bradley vests! Yay!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I have been thinking the same thing
Am I taking crazy pills? What is the point of trading the farm away to get a starting pitcher?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I agree
Although I don’t even think we have enough on the farm to get Halladay if we wanted/needed him (which we don’t).
Its not worth what we would give up
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
well
DEMPSTER says he’ll miss 3-4 starts. He could be out for 6-8 weeks.
That having been said, I say we need a LOOGY, and have Marshall spot start, which uses him best.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what I want to see as well
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Meh. It's just fans being fans.
No matter how unrealistic the concept, as soon as a big name goes on the trading block, fans of any team MUST start throwing out desperate trade scenarios. It’s like a reflex.
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Why? the only two doing anything are Lee and Lilly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i have a hole in my heart
because Bradley isn’t one of my starting OF.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
better than a hole in your offensive output
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Or in your shoe.
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I'm sad that i've got too many
Sori is killing me. Lee is the saving grace, but the start of the year was brutal. And Rami…. occupying the DL spot for most of the season, I had to fill him in with DeRo lol
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Thankfully I drafted Shin-Soo Choo and Brad Hawpe as OF fliers
so Sori’s been warming the bench for two months now, and it’s not hurting. Only emotionally
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
He is really kickin butt
I was working Asdrubal into my lineup a lot too before he got hurt, he was a pleasant suprise. But i’m done talking about Tribe players now…. GO CUBS!
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Now I'm confused.
On the pregame, Lou said Blanco IS playing SS and Theriot is getting the day off.
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I hope thats true
I think Lou is probably forgetting changes he made 30 minutes ago
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Anyone want to wager who is confused Daver or Lou?????
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
C) All of the above.
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I guess D. Lee wasnt the only person that laughed at Demp for falling
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the scene of the crime!
Poor Dempster, white men can’t jump
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Now that's a Cubs classic.
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The kid pointing and laughing is outstanding
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 8, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Tarp is going on?
Any word on start time?
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It's raining very lightly by me right now...
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
No word yet, per Judd.
But a delay is likely (◄— duh).
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I bet it sounded like someone hit a homerun when he said that.
Soriano hits a drive!… wait for it…. wait for it… and it’s caught in shallow left field.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Yeah, or I've noticed Judd doing the opposite lately:
“Derrek Lee hits a drive into center…centerfielder drifting back…OH MY GOD IT’S A HOME RUN DERREK LEE JUST HIT A HOME RUN!!!”
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Halladay's value maximizes over the next 20 days
Jay’s want big talent, equivalent to 2 number one draft choices, first immediate need is a SS, than difference makers who are cheap.
Cubs would have to start with Theriot, is he core to this team, not if Blanco can keep the position warm till this winter, other option is that Scutaro and Theriot are traded straight up as Toronto will lose him this winter to FA.
Than they would want Vitters & Colvin, and probably Castillo plus either Flaherty or Hak-Ju Lee, and another—-maybe Fox or Hoffpauir as a throw in or a pitcher like Jackson or Veal.
The question is here are at least three, possibly four position players who can grow into starters, two could be stars and one a real difference maker—-but then again Halladay is a true ace for a year and a half.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Veal was taken in the Rule 5 by Pittsburgh
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by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he meant a decent Veal Parmesan.
Not many decent Italian places in Toronto.
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It seems to me that a question one would want to answer a priori is:
Why the hell do we want or need Roy Halladay?
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This
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This
As in: Your post is the definitive point
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not him, it's his name. So sexy.
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This is my take
We’re trying to win NOW. Does Halladay help us win NOW? We’ve got among the best pitching in baseball… and we’re not scoring enough runs to do more than hover at .500
You make a deal that involves Theriot, and you’re removing a good offensive player from a team struggling to score runs.
On the other hand, you make a deal for a run producer, and you’re improving our chances of winning now.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
As posted by folks on this board, Halladay is a fix to the wrong problem
Our offense is garbage, our pitching is great. Yes, Dempster is out but Halladay ain’t going to cure what ails this team, weak hitting
Not to mention...
…Dempster is only out for a few weeks, and over the all-star break at that! It’s not like he’s gone for the rest of the season. Seriously, how bout we all jump on the “Whomever is available bandwagon” just to do something? This is idiotic.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Rain delay wait
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While we wait...
…if anyone is interested in a fairly comprehensive rundown of Kevin Hart’s repetoire, click here.
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OT- Newsflash, man dies falling into vat of chocolate
I guess tripping over a railing is better than dropping to your death in a vat of chocolate.
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