MEMO TO HENDRY: Pirates "Pushing Hard" To Trade Sanchez

by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 12:41 PM CDT Comment 119 comments

The Pirates are "pushing hard" to trade All-Star second baseman Freddy Sanchez, according to a National League executive this morning.

The San Francisco Giants and Colorado Rockies are two of the teams with which the Pirates have spoken, the source said, but there are as many as four or five more.

I really hope Jim Hendry is all over this...trade them Fontenot, some cash and Guzman...done deal?

After all...this is the cash strapped Pirates our personal trade partner 3x over. Does the Baker signing make this moot?

Linky: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09190/982829-100.stm

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Absolutely.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jul 9, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ummmm

I really hope Jim Hendry is all over this…trade them Fontenot, some cash and Guzman…done deal?

HELL NO!!! NOT GUZMAN!!!

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

why not?

You have to give up something to get something like Sanchez…AAAA Fontenot isn’t going to cut it.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how are you going to replace him?

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not sure....however...

It is 10x easier to replace a bullpen piece then a upper-tier NL 2nd baseman. Just my opinion.

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Henry Ford

by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ascanio.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 9, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

guzman and fontenot would not get it done

I would have to think the price for sanchez would be well higher than those two guys

by cubsmania on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like what then?

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know what they're looking for

but you think the pirates would give sanchez away for fontenot ( a struggling guy who’s probably just a utility infielder) and guzman (who’s good but is injury prone)?

by cubsmania on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They'd take it in a New York minute

"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella

by Clutche on Jul 9, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

100% Agree.

Great and cheap return for a player they are going to lose anyways.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would think they could get a better return

It’d be great if they could get sanchez for that!!! I think it would be a steal.

by cubsmania on Jul 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it definitely would....

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree. Guzman is too much.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Jim Hendry

let’s Sanchez go to the Giants.

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 9, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Especially saying give up Guzman? Our bullpen sucks as it is, dont get rid of someone that is doing well in there.

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by jkobus on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a suggestion....

I just named a player that actually has some value that another team would actually want…unlke 1,000 other posters here that would suggest Jeff Baker straight up or something that would get laughed at.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you have to make a judgement of which sucks more -- our bullpen .... ?

Or are defense and hitting? I’m guessing the hitting….we need more hits, more speed, more defense….

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jul 9, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Freddy Sanchez really that fast?

He has 10 stolen bases – IN HIS CAREER. He is having quite a bounceback year offensively, though.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha! Good point! OK, he's not a base stealer....didn't realize that :-)

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by zevkalman on Jul 9, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you serious?

That’s all? Wow, he really doesn’t bring any threat on the basepath.

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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 9, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand

But that is someone I would not want to give up. I personally dont think a bat is needed. We have the bats, they just are not hitting. Career numbers of most off this team shows that they are under producing. I dont know what they need to get a spark and start hitting, but I think the offense will come around.

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by jkobus on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AARON HEILMAN FOR FREDDY SANCHEZ

DONE DEAL. YOU’RE WELCOME, JIM HENDRY

by murphymj on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

CHAD FOX FOR FREDDY SANCHEZ

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by jkobus on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

GlenAlen Hill for FAST FREDDY

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

in all seriousness, though

i would be willing to give up guzman if we got this type of player in return. someone would need to step up in the bullpen, though

by murphymj on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't give up Guzman...

…as long as Carlos Marmol is walking a batter an inning.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

would you give up Marmol then?

by TC Cubby on Jul 9, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not for Freddy Sanchez, no.

I think I’d stick with Marmol for now.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't Ascanio

being groomed to be the next Marmol ishould he go closer? Why not him taking Guzman’s spot?

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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Ascanio did some good things during his recent call up.

IIRC, his K numbers were pretty good. But he got hit pretty hard as well. I don’t think Ascanio is quite ready for a prime time (7th, 8th inning) role.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps but I don't know that Guzman is that ready either.

Seems like 6 and one half dozen to me.

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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guzman's been really good this year - much better than Ascanio.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

indeed

Guzman:

10 ER in 33.2 innings, ERA+ of 164, WHIP of 1.040

Ascanio:

6 ER in 15.1 innings, ERA+ of 124, WHIP of 1.761

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guess I am less in tune with his performance.

For some reason I thought he was less reliable…and somewhat injury prone.

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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 10, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he has a history

of struggling with injuries. This year, he appears to have figured it out.

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Double Stack

has had injuries in the past, and was a little wild IIRC. He has really turned it up this season, and I wonder how much of that is maturity, and how much is the fact he knew he was on his last leg with the Cubs.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Miles for Freddy Sanchez

Go State!

by Spartan1979 on Jul 9, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beat me to it

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 10, 2009 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cleveland wanted Guzman and a prospect for DeRosa...........

why would Hendy make the same trade for Sanchez?

"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella

by Clutche on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cause Sanchez is way better than DeRosa

by jerry morales rules on Jul 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I never heard Cleveland Guzman and a prospect

Just Marshall and a prospect. Source?

by madcow256 on Jul 9, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hendry said it this week at a luncheon at Harrah's in Joliet

"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella

by Clutche on Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Were you there?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, heard it with my own ears

"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella

by Clutche on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How'd you do at the blackjack table?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I only gamble on the Cubs

"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella

by Clutche on Jul 9, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

False

Sanchez hits for no power. And DeRosa has the versatility thing going for him.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 10, 2009 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Had, the DL is no place for versatility.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

But healthy DeRo>Sanchez. In fact, a lot of guys are >Sanchez. I think he’s very overrated. He’s a mediocre defender who seldom walks and hits for little power.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 10, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All the goofy trades ideas cant be THAt out of the question

These are the Pirates we are talking about!

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by AndHart120 on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

they did give us aramis ramirez

essentially for free

by murphymj on Jul 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

AND Kenny Lofton! Thats what Im sayin!

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by AndHart120 on Jul 9, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

for some reason

i always forget that kenny lofton was part of that trade. what a joke, pirates

by murphymj on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

new management

actually looking for prospects, not bobby hill.

by tim815 on Jul 9, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I like what Huntington has done there overall. Seems like he has a real solid vision of what he wants to do to rebuild the team and is willing to do what it takes to get there. They’ve also shown willingness to spend for the right situation (forking over money for Pedro Alvarez – although right now, that looks like a bad decision).
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The Rockies rumors on Freddy suggested EY Jr. as a piece. I imagine they’ll do their usual and target a quality young talent and maybe a ready piece to step in. In terms of talent, could we land Freddy Sanchez? Sure. I imagine they’d ask for a high upside kid to go with a ready talent, which would make me say no to it. For example, I could see them asking for say, Ryan Flaherty and a pen arm (let’s say Kevin Hart for the heck of it right now). I would not fork over Angel Guzman for Freddy Sanchez – it’s just not worth it to our pen right now, and pen assets are much costlier at the deadline. I wouldn’t fork over any of our top 8 or so prospects (such as a guy like Starlin Castro). I’m not even sure I’d go for a Flaherty/Hart deal.

Is it a move we can make? That’s a big question that seems to have been skimmed over in the comments ahead. He has around 3 million left on his deal this year (and 600 grand buyout next year – can’t see anyone giving him that 8 mil club option), meaning that a move for Freddy Sanchez might be out of our budget, or it would push us to the end of our budget, which brings us to

Is it a move that we have to make? Eh. I’m not sure on that. The power’s come out of nowhere this year, and he’s had a smidge of luck on his side. There’s a perfectly good chance that he regresses a bit the 2nd half. If the cost in talent is low, then fine, you take the swim if you want to. If not, I’m fine with letting Jeff Baker and Mike Fontenot play (assuming Baker will actually get some regular AB’s).

by toonsterwu on Jul 9, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have been waiting for someone to suggest...

Heilman, Miles, Fontenot and Baker for Sanchez lol

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by AndHart120 on Jul 9, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I like the way you think.

Recommended!

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by zevkalman on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I might actually pay $100 bucks personally....

To the Cubs and Pirates to do that deal…not only do you get rid of garbage…you get to bring up the Fuld’s of the world that deserve a longer shot in the bigs.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I was the Pirates

I’d take Fontenot for Sanchez and be very pleased.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And fans all over Pittsburgh are glad you're not the Pirates GM

by jerry morales rules on Jul 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do I need to re-post the numbers

showing Fontenot’s disappointing production this year against RHP is just as good as Sanchez’ career numbers? I do not get the fascination with this overpaid mediocrity.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes you do

Because I see a career .300 hitter that seems to only be gettng better.

by jerry morales rules on Jul 9, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

…I see a guy who seems to have gone up and down throughout his career so far:

OPS
2005: .736
2006: .851
2007: .784
2008: .669
2009: .832

He has a career OPS of .763 and OPS+ of, as of right now, precisely 100. In other words, he’s a perfectly league average hitter.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The same thing I see... and if I may add...

injury prone. He’s not fast freddy, but how is his defense? I wonder what it’s worth.

And who are we kidding… he hits right handed. Lou will be pissed.

by serbianking33 on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has a really good reputation defensively.

And his career UZR numbers at 2B back that up – they’re very good. But, Mike Fontenot’s UZR numbers have been excellent as well, and I think LBR could still bring more power to the plate (at least vs. RHP).

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If people are really just pissed at or have given up on Fontenot and want him benched

then the Cubs might as well play Baker for 1/20th the cost and nearly as likely the production.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Jul 9, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we're the only two Cubs fans left who haven't given up on Mike Fontenot.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I haven't, either.

Now that he’s going to be in a platoon with Baker at 2B, maybe he’ll start hitting again.

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by Al on Jul 9, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I think it's possible he could get back into his comfort zone.

He’s been hitting much more consistently so far in July.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't.

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 9, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We've got four!

Do I hear five? Five?!

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't given up on him

As a useful utility player.

I was never sold on him as a regular.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'mon - Fontemullet Power..... Activate...

Form of WONDERHAMSTER!!!!!

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so Aaron Miles

is the form of the bucket of water, right?

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

and I was fearful, even stating that he was the biggest “x faxctor” of the regulars, seeing as he was a part time player before. I think he is best in a platoon, not everyday.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I certainly haven't given up on him

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 10, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still here.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would be fine with that.

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

that Sanchez is overachieving a lot, and that Fontenot has had some bad luck, but at the end of the day, value is based on production. Furthermore, Huntington is building his core for 2011 or 2012, and Fontenot likely wouldn’t be a critical piece in that endeavor.

by toonsterwu on Jul 9, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The pirates want prospects

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/rockies-interested-in-freddy-sanchez.html

The pirates want prospects and I don’t think it would take TOP level like Vittters to get him. Sanchez has an $8million option for next year about to kick in. Maybe its time to use some of those pitchers we got in the Derosa deal as trade bait. Throw in Fontenot if you have to, he is cheap and under team control for a few more years. Personally I would rather keep font because he is a GOOD bench guy and let Baker go. BUT YES, lets hope Hendry is ALL OVER going after SANCHEZ….316, .355 ob, 33rbi…would look lnice in the number 2 hole.

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by TheCubsGuy on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Would the Pirates take Stevens?

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by zevkalman on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no doubt baby

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh-oh...link to mlbtraderumors.com

Isn’t that site total garbage speculation?

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, it's actually a pretty cool site.

And of course it’s speculation – the word “rumors” is right in the URL! But it’s better to link to the article that MLBTR references – not to MLBTR itself.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They do what they do

The site’s gotten much better and has gotten some quality baseball bloggers to pitch in. But the maiin thing they do is post links to other articles, providing information in an organized fashion.

by toonsterwu on Jul 9, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

God I want this trade to happen...

I am glad the Cubs aren’t mentioned…usually the team that gets him is the team laying in the weeds per se.

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by BLW Believes Esq. on Jul 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even though they're out of it

Would they really trade within the division?

by ak123 on Jul 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ramirez and Lofton

’nuff said.

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by AndHart120 on Jul 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was 2003 and Littlefield is no longer there

by jerry morales rules on Jul 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well..

one can still wish

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by AndHart120 on Jul 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you get the players you want, it doesn't matter where he goes

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Jul 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

FUnny comment about MLBTRADERUMORS…its a decent sight, years ago they used to post the author of the sights PURE speculation. Not they basically link articles about trade rumors, etc… Its a good one stop shop. MLBDISH, now thats another story. Sorry Al, I know your a fan. But they posted a “rumor” about a Bradley for Ordonez shop the other night.

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by TheCubsGuy on Jul 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

MLBTRADERUMORS.com

Cubs are trade candidates for A-Rod in 2006 offseason at one point lol.

by ak123 on Jul 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes Guzman

Reluctantly, I would trade Guzman for Sanchez. It leaves the bullpen shorthanded until they can put Hart back in the bullpen. Guzman has been out on the DL too much. That’s what sways my thinking in addition to what Sanchez can ideally offer. I don’t think they would have to include Fontenot or any other player. But they could relieve themselves of one of the 2nd basemen through another trade to get the overflow of offensively challenged 2nd basemen off the roster.

by AboutTheCubs on Jul 9, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm warming to the idea...

And I guess to address the comments made by others here, I think Guzman is too much, and probably a bit too important for the Cubs to let go this season.

Honestly, I would probably try dangling Fox and Ascanio before anything else, but that’s just my opinion.

by Damen Jackson on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's fun to speculate, I guess but...

…from what I’ve been reading, the Cubs’ payroll is essentially frozen right now and so, unfortunately, adding a contract like Sanchez’s (even if we did/do have the chips to deal) seems pretty much impossible.

But, for what it’s worth, I’d be VERY tempted to add Guzman to a package to get him.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1 for the first part

Sorry didn’t see your post until now. Sanchez’s 3-4 million remaining might be too much, or it might push us to the edge and not allow us to make other moves.

I wouldn’t part with Guzman though. Pen arms are costly at the deadline.

by toonsterwu on Jul 9, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had to look. With another streaky

bat second baseman on the market making good coin, I had to verify he was less than 6 feet tall.

At 5’11", Freddy fits the Hendry bill. Is he better than either Fontenot or Baker? Probably. Is he worth acquiring? Probably not.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jul 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting...

Was watching the cards/brewers game and it was interesting to hear the Cards Announcers bagging on the Cardinals hitters because they are a station to station team with a bunch of singles hitters and only one homerun hitter, obviously Albert. I mainly watch Cubs games and rarely get time to sit and watch another team, but I have always classified a Larussa team as a true national league team, advancing runners, stealing bases, etc…

Other point, Sanchez would be a nice fit, I WOULD trade Guzman (not untouchable) and keep Fontenot on the bench. Maybe Baker can go with Guzman in the deal.

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by TheCubsGuy on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry for another post

Its being speculated that the ROCKIES want Sanchez. Why would they trade one of their top prospects Eric Young, Jr for Sanchez. EYJ is a solid young 2b and I would rather hang on to him. Plus, Clint Barmes and Ian Stewart have been playing second there.

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by TheCubsGuy on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

because...

the Rockies find themselves battling it out for a wild card spot. Although everybody predicted the NL West as a weak division, the Giants and Rockies have been playing much better than expected. Colorado is 11-4 in interleague play, while the Giants are boasting a record of 12-8 against their division. I think with weak teams like the diamondbacks and the padres in the NL West, the Giants and Rockies both have a decent chance at capturing a wild card spot. The NL East is a tough division, and so far, the NL Central has been close. Look for the possibility of 2 NL East teams in the playoffs.

by cufban2522 on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get their interest either

BArmes has been alright this year. For the right price, sure, you make the deal. But giving up EY Jr. makes little sense for them, imo, when they have other needs to address.

by toonsterwu on Jul 9, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go get him Jim

I think it could be a big boost to the team

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by cubswgnrocks on Jul 9, 2009 3:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

You'd have to send the Pirates a contract...

… worth about what Sanchez’s is, to make up the difference. The only tradeable part who has such a deal is Rich Harden.

I’m not saying the Cubs could or should make that deal. But there’s no way they’re taking on Sanchez’s deal without getting rid of one.

That said, I’d love to have him.

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by Al on Jul 9, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

seriously, the pirates have

2 middle infielders within two years of the bigs. one is sanchez, the other is jack wilson, who is also on the block. while pitching is king, i would think pittsburgh would like a guy that they can plug in for a few years at both positions.

i don’t think “blanco and fontenot” would do it. i would imagine pittsburgh wants two of a/ legit pitching option (more guzman than ascanio), b/ a true shortsop option for 2010 and beyond (darwin barney?) or c/ a true second base option for 2010 (fontenot or blanco could fit here, maybe. though they’d prefer tony thomas, i’d guess)

by tim815 on Jul 9, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not going to happen

Hendry has already maxed out his credit cards at $136 million. Unless he can move salary there is no chance Freddy Sanchez is an option. Hence why the Giants and Rockies are mentioned as the serious pursuees.

$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.

by BLou on Jul 9, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree...

…I would doubt you see anything more than a bullpen piece added before the deadline. Anything is possible, but it’s not likely.

It would be one thing if most of the star players had been playing to their potential in the 1st half, but that is not the case. The Cub’s improvement needs to come from certain core players performing like they have in the past.

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by MPH73 on Jul 9, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Baker has helped balance the bench, while adding Fontenot insurance. The Cubs may try and add a bullpen piece – especially a LH one, but I’m not expecting a big deal. Hendry will keep working the phones and see if a bargain is out there, but I don’t think it’s even the financial constraints so much as it is that Hendry expects his players to play up to their levels.

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by DGU on Jul 10, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't underestimate the financial constraints though

by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

marmol

How about giving them Gregg and Marmol?

by dhouse on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

...

wait, what?

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by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs