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2009 Trades Graded




You may not agree with grades but at least you can see all the trades in one post.

Enjoy!

 

 



Player to Red Sox C-1B Victor Martinez (C)

           

Players to the Indians RHP Justin Masterson, LHP Nick Hagadone, RHP Bryan Price (A)

 

The Scoop:  The Sox over paid but needed a bat.  Hagadone will be the guy we all remember from this trade.

 

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Player to White Sox RHP Jake Peavy (B)

 

Players to Padres LHP Aaron Poreda, LHP Clayton Richard, RHP Dexter Carter, RHP Adam Russell (C-)

 

The Scoop:  The Sox get the guy they wanted weeks ago and gave up very little to get him. At the same time they traded their systems depth for a guy on the DL.  By the way I think the Padres are wishing they sold to the Cubs this winter.

 

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Player to Twins SS Orlando Cabrera (C-)

 

Players to A's SS Tyler Ladendorf (B+)

 

The Scoop:  The Twins were the only team really wanting Cabrera but he could help this team win now.  The A’s get something for a guy that is washed up and walking at the end of the year.

 

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Player to Tigers LHP Jarrod Washburn (C+)

 

Players to Mariners LHP Lucas French, LHP Mauricio Robles (A)

 

The Scoop:  Unlike many other teams that needed arms the Tigers actually got one to help there team but overpaid with French who will be a stud.  The Mariners admit they will not win this year and manage to sell Washburn very high.

 

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Player to Braves 1B Adam LaRoche (D)

 

Player to Red Sox 1B Casey Kotchman (A-)

           

The Scoop:  I still think the Sox got Kotchman to flip him later in the day for a bigger deal but either way they gave up an average hitter for a guy who you could switch James Loney with and never know by the numbers if had switched.

 

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Player to Marlins 1B Nick Johnson (A)

 

           

Player to Nationals LHP Aaron Thompson (D-)

 

The Scoop:  The Marlins get an OBP machine to hit in front of their big three and only give up a LHP with a record of 5-9.

 

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Player to Rockies LHP Joe Beimel (A+)

 

           

Players to Nationals RHP Ryan Mattheus, RHP Robinson Fabian (F)

 

The Scoop:  The Roxs get real Bullpen help and give up two minor leaguers with a records of 4-8.  Who the hell runs the Nats?

 

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Player to Dodgers LHP George Sherrill (A)

 

Players to Orioles 3B Josh Bell, RHP Steve Johnson (B)

 

The Scoop:  Sherrill is the real deal and cheap and the dodgers underpaid in order for the O’s to fill the void at 3B when Mora leaves.  The O’s still filled that hole so it was a good trade for them

 

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Players to Cubs LHP John Grabow, LHP Tom Gorzelanny (B+)

 

Players to Pirates RHP Kevin Hart, RHP Jose Ascanio (C+)

 

The Scoop:  The Cubs fill a void in the Bullpen and get a reclamation project tossed in.  The Pirates get deeper in the Minors but might have bought Hart a little high.

 

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Players to Giants 2B Freddy Sanchez (D)

           

Players to Pirates RHP Tim Alderson (A)

 

The Scoop:  The Giants overpay big time for an injured player.  The Pirates must have pinched themselves when they got that call.

 

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Players to Phillies LHP Cliff Lee, OF Ben Francisco (A)

           

Players to Indians RHP Jason Knapp, RHP Carlos Carrasco, C Lou Marson, SS Jason Donald (B)

 

The Scoop:  Phils needed a front line starter and used Halladay to drive down the price.  The Indians still make the right long term move and get a few front line prospects in the process.

 

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Players to Mariners SS Jack Wilson, RHP Ian Snell (F)

           

Players to Pirates C/1B Jeff Clement, SS Ronny Cedeno, RHP Aaron Pribanicm, RHP Brett Lorin, RHP Nathan Adcock (A)

 

The Scoop:  The Pirates were in Sell mode and let everyone know they were in sell mode.  The Mariners over pay for two average at best players and then start to sell two days later.  WTF?

 

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Player to Giants 1B Ryan Garko (A)

 

Player to Indians LHP Scott Barnes (C-)

 

The Scoop:  Garko is a Major League hitter who should do well in the National League and the Giants got him by selling only one prospect very high.

 

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Player to Cardinals OF Matt Holliday (A)

 

           

Players to A's 3B Brett Wallace, OF Shane Peterson, RHP Clayton Mortensen (B+)

 

The Scoop:  The Cards are going for it and got the best bat at their price range to help.  The A’s get three + prospects but were forced to sell Holliday a little lower than expected but still sold him at an above market price.

 

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Player to Rockies RHP Rafael Betancourt (D)

 

           

Player to Indians RHP Connor Graham (A)

           

The Scoop:  The Roxs turned the Indians for bullpen help and actually gave up a prospect for said help.  Has anyone from the Roxs watched an Indian’s game this year?

 

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Player to Cardinals IF Julio Lugo (B)

 

           

Player to Red Sox OF Chris Duncan (B)

 

The Scoop: The Sox got something for someone they DFAed and the Cards kept the other teams (Cubs) from picking up someone they had their eye on.

 

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Player to Red Sox 1B Adam LaRoche (C)

           

Players to Pirates SS Argenis Dias, P Hunter Strickland (B)

 

The Scoop: LaRoche is an average player that the Red Sox really didn’t have to have but they didn’t overpay too much.  The Pirates got deeper in the Minors again

 

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Player to Brewers 2B Felipe Lopez (B+)

 

Players to D-backs RHP Roque Mercedes, OF Cole Gillespie (C)

 

The Scoop: The Brewers got one their holes filled without getting much yet the D-backs were lucky to get anything for Lopez

 

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Player to Mariners 3B Jack Hannahan (-D)

 

           

Player to A's RHP Justin Souza (A)

 

The Scoop: The Mariners thought they were buyers and the A’s took advantage of that miscalculation.

 

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Player to Mets OF Jeff Francoeur (B-)

 

           

Players to Braves OF Ryan Church (A-)

Cash considerations

 

           

The Scoop: Classic “Change of Scenery” trade.  Church has more upside but Francoeur is getting key hits for the Mets.

 

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Player to White Sox RHP Tony Pena (A)

           

Player to D-backs INF Brandon Allen (C)

           

The Scoop: Tony Pena is a serviceable arm for a team that is trying to win now and the Sox didn’t give up much to get him.

 

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Player to A's OF Scott Hairston (D-)

 

Players to Padres RHP Ryan Webbm, RHP Craig Italiano, Player to be named (B+

 

The Scoop: Padres got anyone for that scrub is a good hall

 

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Player to Yankees IF-OF Eric Hinske (C-)

           

Players to Pirates RHP Casey Erickson, OF Eric Fryer (B+)

 

The Scoop: Pirates did well to get a deeper minor league system the Yanks got some insurance

 

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Players to Nationals OF Nyjer Morgan, LHP Sean Burnett (A)

           

Players to Pirates RHP Joel Hanrahan, OF Lastings Milledge (C)

 

The Scoop: Pirates did well to get a Hanrahan but will kick themselves for years as Nyjer Morgan progresses and Milledge ends up pumping gas.

 

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Player to Cardinals IF-OF Mark DeRosa (B)

           

Players to Indians, RHP Chris Perez, Player to be named later (A)

 

The Scoop: The Cards got DeRo at a high price but did get a guy who filled holes.  The Indians got much more than they should have for him.

 

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Player to Braves OF Nate McLouth (A)

           

Players to Pirates RHP Charlie Morton, OF Gorkys Hernandez, LHP Jeff Locke (C+)

 

The Scoop: The Braves picked up a very good player without giving up major part in their minor league system but the Pirates did get deeper.


In closing, the one great thing we got was this board can all knock off the trades for PV crap.


But we will always have Eric Hanna and ADAM LIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What? I disagree a lot with this article.

Hadagone is real good, but Masterson can’t get lefties out and Price is ok at best.

Peavy might not pitch this year and Bud Black will develop these pitchers very well

Look at the Twins middle infield! LOOK AT IT! IT’S HORRIBLE!!!

The Tigers made a win now move, Washburn is pitching amazing this year and gives them 3 of the lowest ERAs in the AL.

LaRoche is the power bat the Braves needed and he hits well in the 2nd half.

Selling short on Thompson, he’s got good stuff.

Agreed on the next 3 deals.

Alderson is a control pitcher but his stuff got a bit worse. Sanchez does help quite a bit, I think he’s better than Juan Uribe.

Agreed on the next 3.

Holliday won’t put up .340 at Busch, he’s still a good player but not enough to warrant a W for the Cards on that deal.

The guy is moving from that terrible situation in Cleveland. Anywhere will help.

Since when is Chris Duncan worth the gum stuck to my sneakers?

Agreed on the next 4

Brandon Allen is a damn good power hitting 1st baseman and projects as their STARTER next year. And have you looked at Pena at all? He’s horrible!!!

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Jesus

a C- on the Peavy trade for the Padres? I stopped reading after that.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 1:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you saying it should be better?

Or worse?

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that I also don't know

makes me think its fair to rate the trade as such, give or take a little.

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

It should be much better

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you looking at the fact that he won'

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

t be pitching until September?

Since Richard was included in the trade, that wekens their rotation for all of August, and maybe some of September, not to mention Peavys road ERA. They also were forced to give up their number 2 prospect.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Richard and Peroda are both capable of being at least league (2 WAR) average pitchers right now

And they will be paid in shit for the next 3-4 years. Also, most people think Peroda has potential to be a lot better. If you include Dexter Carter, who looks like a very good pitching prospect, the Padres got a lot for an injured player signed to an expensive contract.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ohhhh

You’re looking at it from the Padres side, while I’m looking at it from the Withe Sox side. So we agree than.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals

made out like bandits in the night, Lugo, DeRosa and Holliday fit the team perfectly. They want to win now, and they will. High price for DeRosa,? what? Chris Perez, please.
 The Cabera trade for the Twins was excellent for the Twins.
A+ for Joe Biemel, a C- for the Padres, wow, Class dismissed.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 1, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions  

The Cards also gave up Jess Todd for DeRosa

Very significant PTBNL, another top 10 prospect for their system.

They got 2 players which are helping their lineup immensely, but there is no denying that they razed their farm system to do it.

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

The Card’s fansite was outraged about the deal after that was disclosed, with DeRosa and Holliday being only rentals this season, it sure seems to me that anything short of going deep into the playoffs makes their deals a failure….the only exception possibly being the trades help them to resign them at a decent price next year. They won’t be able to overcommit money with Pujols’ contract ending looming in the future.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's several ways to look at it

in their defense that is. certainly, one is for this year’s stretch run. another is to make pujols feel comfortable that they will go balls out to build a quality squad. The last one might be the more important note, imo. They gave up a lot … but did they? A bunch of pen type arms, a bench bat in duncan, and wallace? To a certain extent, their system was a tad overhyped, solid, but lacking in much top end talent as they don’t have guys in the upper levels with quality starting potential. With Shelby Miller and Wagner Mateo, there’s some hope in the lower levels.

That said, I don’t disagree with the other look – they razed the system … just noting other ideas to contemplate over.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I do know they didn't see a future for Wallace with him playing 1B, and Todd is a good prospect but not nearly as good as Wallace.

Duncan was crap and I think management was happy to use the needed bat for a playoff run as an excuse to get rid of him, they knew Tony was gonna be pissed.

I agree with your other ideas here in general, I didn’t mention them in my response but they are duely noted. I have thought both trades, DeRosa and Holliday, were risky but being their GM would have done them. In the end to me if you’re not giving up a superstar you think you’ll sign from the minors then you go for it when you see the playoffs a realistic possibility. It’s still risky though and I was suprised to see so many people on the Cards’ boards so pissed about it. Then again, that’s kind of the nature of these boards…wanting everything at once from a trade.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are you rating the Nate McLouth deal?

That happened two months ago.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Title is 2009 Trades Graded

Not 2009 Trade Deadline Deals Graded

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.

I get it now.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just wait until I start my series of fanposts

Starting with 1909, I’m going to grade all of the trades this past century, one per year.

Sneak preview: the Babe Ruth trade is going to be rated an A for the Yankees.

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course, that wasn't a trade, it was a sale.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

to early to grade until the playoffs teams are settled

But as I see it Yankees are the beast in the EAST, BoSox are pointed at the WC. Tigers hold advantage in the Central where ChiSox are chasing but Peavy could bring it to the final days, Angels are sitting pretty.

Phillies seem to be on straight line to the playoffs, Cubs and Cards will be nose to nose and probably bring each other to the WC while the Dodgers are overwhelming the WEST.

I see the Giants making a bigger move in the off season along with the ROX. Mets will dismantle, what will be interesting is what will Houston and Milwaukee do?

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 1, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

During the NBA draft, they were referring to trades of picks for “cash considerations” as trades. I suppose technically you still are trading, just not players for players.

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

we should of traded ERIC HANNA for Adam Lind

ERIC HANNA to the Jays (A+)
Adam Lind to the Cubs(B)

by BrentCox on Aug 1, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Towers
By the way I think the Padres are wishing they sold to the Cubs this winter.

I kind of figured he would get burned by not trading him during the offseason, but did pretty good considering Peavy is hurt and may not pitch again this year.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 1, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

interesting roundup

My Thoughts:

Victor Martinez Trade – I thought it was a fair trade for both sides. Getting 3 quality arms in this day and age, with 1 potential TOR guy in Hagadone, is a heck of a deal. Masterson can be tried as a mid-end of the rotation guy, and if he fails, to move him to the pen to shore that area up. The Indians really added to their arm depth. For the Red Sox, heck of a move as well, getting an impact bat without parting with their top arms or bats. Giving up 3 arms is a tough one to swallow, but Boston is one of the few organizations that can handle a move like that (along with Oakland earlier this year in the Hairston deal). Not sure how Boston gets a C – Varitek is wearing down, Kottaras never panned out. This was a big need and they kept their top prospects. I don’t really grade trades, but the C makes it sound like a bad deal for Boston. I don’t see it that way – an organization is supposed to help you win, and this was a good gamble.

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Jake Peavy trade: I think I loosely agree with the grades here, though I’d give San Diego a bit higher of a grade probably. Peavy’s a good gamble. People point to the H-A splits, but 2005/2007 they were fine, last year he was injured. He becomes the White Sox most talented pitcher. What’d they give up? Poreda and Richard both feel like future pen arms (I like Poreda as a late inning arm). Don’t like either as a starter. Russell seems like a middle reliever. Carter’s very intriguing, but it isn’t a big loss. In San Diego’s defense, though, getting 4 arms is a coup in this market. Furthermore, considering Towers starting position in the winter, this was about as good as he could get. He managed to expand the market. The process managed to convince Peavy to agree to expand his market, as the Cubs/Dodgers weren’t likely to get back into it. This was probably equal, if not better, than the rumored Cubs deal. Carter’s very interesting – don’t sleep on that one. Carter might be more interesting than the fast moving Dan Hudson, but he’s just further away.

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 Orlando Cabrera deal – Disagree here on the Twins grade, and I think the A’s grade is too high. The A’s were shooting high, hoping for Valencia, but they got an intriguing talent, and Cabrera wasn’t going to get a huge return. Twins upgrade at short – calling that a C-, I’m not sure. O-Cab’s been hot as well.

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Jarrod Washburn trade – This one was hard to figure out. I think the Tigers deserve better than a C+ – Washburn is more dependable than some of their other options, even if he is overachieving. They didn’t give up much … or did they? That’s the question that has to be answered. French is a young Washburn in a best case scenario, so whatever. The question is Robles, who is very intriguing as a smallish lefty with plus fastball/plus breaking ball/improving change. He’s made strides this year, and love that his BB rate declined as he went up a level. Still … is he that good? Anything for Washburn made sense, so there was no way it would be a bad trade for the Mariners, but giving that an A when they were demanding the moon from the Brewers/Yankees, I’m just not sure on. Btw, French as a stud? I’m not so sure on that one. Even the reports today suggest Robles was the key to that deal.

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Braves-Red swap first basemen – I like it for both sides actually. LaRoche offers them some badly needed pop in the lineup, pop that Kotchman wasn’t going to provide. Boston rids themselves of LaRoche for Kotchman, and that isn’t a bad swap either. Kotchman can likely do alright off the bench, whereas LaRoche needs AB’s to stay in form. Let’s be honest, both guys are average hitters.

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Nick Johnson trade – I’d give the Marlins an A as well. Perfect fit there, giving them the top of the order bat they needed, and Aaron Thompson wasn’t at the top of the minor league charts. It’s not a bad trade for Washington – Johnson was going to leave, and Thompson still has some intriguing qualities about him. Thompson’s had a fairly solid year this year and he could probably still slot as a mid-end of the rotation lefty if things break right.

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Joe Beimel deal – Are we really going to use W-L records to define all the pitching prospects? This is 2009 … and it is still the minors. Mattheus can be a decent pen arm, probably middle relief with a shot at borderline setup (if things break right developmentally). Fabian’s a decent arm, your mid-end of the rotation/middle relief type. Look, it’s not a great return, but calling that a F, when Beimel was the guy who left, is a bit ridiculous, nothing personal. They got two young arms for a LOOGY. Adding any sort of young pitching depth makes sense for the Nats, when Beimel isn’t a part of the future. Btw, Rizzo runs the Nats basically, although the Lerners are rumored to interfere a lot. Rizzo’s a good personnel guy, at least his track record is.

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George Sherrill trade – I’d flip the grades, well, I’d give the Dodgers a B+ and the Orioles a B+/A-. I understand the move from the Dodgers perspective, and Sherrill makes sense for Torre considering how Joe runs through the pen. But they gave up an awfully good talent, while they had Hong-Chih Kuo back in the bigs. Understandable move, not bashing it by any means, but I wouldn’t call it an A personally. Bell is a good looking third base prospect with power, and Johnson might fit in as a pen arm. GREAT return for the Orioles. Sherrill isn’t going to be a key part of their future and they have young pen arms to try. Jim Johnson will get first crack, and Chris Ray could work his way back. One of their extra starters could be a thought. They needed a young 3rd base talent, and they got a good one. They also got a local kid in Steve Johnson. Excellent deal for the O’s.

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Cubs Grabow/Gorzelanny trade – That’s about right. I might give the Pirates a B-. One thing to consider – Grabow was having an inconsistent year and Gorzelanny was in the minors. That deflates value a bit for Pitt. But it was a good gamble on the Cubs part to fill a void and add depth. They didn’t give up much either. Harrison could be a possible 2 hitter that plays 2nd … but he was groomed as an utility guy. Hart’s a decent middle relief/rubber arm option. Ascanio could be a late inning arm if he gains a bit more control. Overall, not a bad return, considering the circumstances. Just eh.

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Freddy Sanchez deal – I would give the Giants probably a C+ ish grade. I’m not sold on Sanchez maintaining his performance, and I hate trading for 2nd basemen unless the player is a top guy. They gave up a good arm, but Alderson was a bit overhyped. He’s still got a lot of development to do to become the top arm some had him as. Gotta respect the gamble … though I don’t like it. For the Pirates, this was probably max value for Sanchez, so I agree with that grade.

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Cliff Lee deal – Initial reaction was negative as well, but I’ve done a 180 on that. I think the Indians did well for the market. I compare this to the Harden deal in terms of return structure. Simply put, elite upper level pitching prospects simply rarely get moved anymore, and the Carrasco’s/Gallagher’s of the world, guys with number 2 potential, are probably the top shelf of pitching talent that gets moved. They added a ridiculous upside arm in Knapp, and two stopgap pieces. Don’t love the Donald/Marson fits (they have Shoppach with Santana in the wings, although Santana could use a bit more time, and Asdrubal Cabrera is set at short). I’d give the Indians a B+ I guess.

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Jack Wilson-Ian Snell trade – What? A F? Why? The Mariners gave up end of the rotation arms, a guy in Clement that looks like he’s tapped out, and an utility infielder in Cedeno who is passable starter at short if your team is solid elsewhere. They get a better shortstop and gamble on a high upside arm in Snell. How’s that a F? Don’t see that one. I wouldn’t call the Pirates return an A either, but it was a good move on their part, as Wilson wasn’t a part of the future, and Snell quit on the team basically. Again … how did the Mariners overpay, outside of quantity? This is their way of looking towards 2010. They shore up short for 2010 and hope that Snell finds his form.

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Ryan Garko deal – Eh. Garko’s a major league hitter, but at first base, he’s very average. An upgrade, but eh. Barnes is an intriguing prospect, and the Indians had to make room for LaPorta to get AB’s. They got a good piece back.

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Holliday trade – I agree on this one. Well, maybe a B+ for St. Louis. Wallace didn’t have much of a future in St. Louis. He’s not a 3rd baseman, he’s not a corner OF. That said, that’s 6 years of Wallace, who is close to ready. I’m not sure Holliday was the best use of that, but there wasn’t really another piece out there that made that much sense. Oakland gets a great return, basically because of Wallace. Peterson and Mortensen seem average to me, with Mortensen reminding me of a slightly better Justin Berg.
          
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Rafael Betancourt trade – Um … I disagree on this one. You do realize that Betancourt has had a very solid year, right? Sure, he’s not the pitcher he once was, but he’s still a solid pen arm. Connor Graham looks to have solid pen potential – a solid enough return for Cleveland, but for the Rox, it’s a good play, IMO.

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Julio Lugo move – This one made sense for both sides. Sox had to move on from Lugo, and Cards could use the depth.

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The Red Sox landing Adam LaRoche – Disagree on this one as well. Red Sox gave up very little for some early insurance. Sure, they moved LaRoche in the end, but Dias doesn’t have much bat, and Strickland profiles as a middle relief type. No big loss for a deep system. It was a protection move, and a gamble on LaRoche having his usual 2nd half move. Not bad for the PIrates, considering LaRoche was a struggling rental.

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Felipe Lopez deal – I’d grade the D-backs return higher than a C, and I’m not a Gillespie fan. He’s got some potential to be a starting OF, though, and Roque could be an intriguing pen type. For Lopez, that’s pretty solid.
           
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Hannahan deal – This one made little sense, but they got a stopgap, bench piece for a middling pitcher. Let’s not read too much into it. They needed to find someone with Beltre on the DL.
 
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Frenchy-Church swap – It was a good move for both sides, IMO. Church had worn out his welcome there, and Frenchy needed a change of scenery.

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Tony Pena deal – Huh? Allen was a solid prospect, and Pena was a decent pen arm. About an even swap – I don’t see the A/C split you have. The Sox gave up one of their better prospects.

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The Hairston deal – Nothing personal, but that’s ridiculous commentary. Hairston was a productive, cost-controlled OF. That’s a good commodity. It’s a good bat for an Oakland squad desperate for offense. At first, I wasn’t high on the return for San Diego. Now that we know it’s Gallagher, it’s a solid return. Oakland (according to A’s fans) abused Gallagher’s arm, pitching him when he was hurt. We have to see if he rebounds, but if so, it’s a good gamble from Towers. They got two other arms along with that, both profiling as pen arms. Italiano could be a late inning arm. Getting 3 arms in a deal is a solid get, although I like this move better for the A’s, who didn’t give up their top pitching talent and got a productive player.

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Hinske deal – Made sense for the Yankees to get some depth when Nady was done, and they didn’t give up much. For the Pirates, it’s not a bad return on a guy who wasn’t a part of the future and didn’t have huge value, but the prospects don’t look to be guys to watch out for, at least, as of now.

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Nats/Pirates swap OF/P – Understandable move for the Nats – Milledge had worn out his welcome. Not a bad gamble for the PIrates, as they are looking to the future. I like it better for the Nats, but if Hanrahan settles and Milledge develops, this could look bad. Not sold that will happen, but it was a good trade for both sides. You do realize that Morgan isn’t exactly young, right? For the Pirates, it’s about when they will compete, and Huntington is looking about 3 years down the line, when Nyjer will be in his 30’s.

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Mark DeRosa deal – The PTBNL was Jess Todd, and that was a huge return for the Indians. Great trade on their part, getting two top arms, although both are pen types. That said, the pen is their problem. Good gamble on the Cardinals, who were playing for this year. They’ve stripped the system quite a bits though.
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Nate McLouth deal – It was a smart move for both sides. Braves didn’t give up key pieces. Pirates got a quality pitching prospect in Locke (last I checked, I think he was struggling), a potential top of the order type OF, and a decent ready arm. I liked how Neal is constructing his deals – some ready help, and some gambles. A nice balance for the most part.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

had to go look it up to be sure

but there’s a huge difference between Loney and Kotchman … Loney hits for power … on the road. Chavez Ravine deflates the overall numbers.

Kotchman just doesn’t hit for power.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

another thought

btw, give Kevin Towers a huge kudos … or Kenny Williams for gift wrapping a package for him. I’m not in love with the arms that they got, but if you liked the arms, and there’s certainly things to like about the package of arms, then that’s a heck of a haul and the fact that it’s 4 arms makes it even better. Poreda could certainly become a dominant closer or a solid mid-rotation lefty. He flashes velocity, but minimal secondary development. Say that happens – watch out. Richard was tossing in the mid-90’s this year. If he found another gear, two power lefties? Carter is a very intriguing young arm. There’s a lot to potentially like … I just don’t love the pitchers they got, but that’sme.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me you won't know how good a deal that is (Peavy) until next year.

You’ll see how the prospects are developing for the Padres, and if Peavy pitches up to form (and even more importantly healthy) for a full year. Course if they somehow got to the World Series with Peavy contributing positively, then its already a good trade. I doubt someone coming back in Sept. would be healthy enough to pitch close to form, but stranger things have happened.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't disagree but

I think too often we judge trades based on hindsight. Hindsight’s always perfect, and trades/signings do need to be judged relative to the moment. That said, a lot of folks will like the Padres package of arms in return. Power lefties, high upside arms are tough to get … and getting 4 arms is a coup in this day and age.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wasn't this the fanpost?

It actually had some sort of analysis instead of basically listing who got traded where.

by Poloplaya14 on Aug 2, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two best trades were Peavy to the White Sox and Lee to the Phillies

Jim Hendry did very well in getting Grabow and Gorzy for a marginal return. I still can’t get over that Peavy deal to the White Sox….a 5th starter at best type (Richard), a promising relief pitcher (Poreda) and two pitching prospects with question marks attached. Phillies literally stole Lee from Cleveland.

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree that the Phillies stole Lee

because simply put, that’s how baseball has changed. Top pitching prospects are ridiculously protected. Heck, 2nd tier guys are protected. Quality pitchers in the upper minors rarely get moved anymore. The return is similar to the Harden package we gave up (better … but deservedly so). The market’s shifted, and the top types of arms that go on a more consistent basis will be the Carrasco’s and Gallagher’s of the world, the guys with some number 2 potential. They did well to get a high upside arm in Knapp.

Short of it is, the market’s changed.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knapp is a great talent.

The kid has a very live arm, the only thing with him is that hes 2 years away. MLB ready top pitching talent will be almost never dealt.

I disagree on Richard and Poreda. Richard could be a 3-4. Poreda could be a starter as well, Bud Black and his staff I think will develop them well and plus the Padres now have 56 million dollars to move.

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peroda is not a reliever

He’s been a starter his entire career in the minors up to this point. He’s a very good prospect and projects to be a good 3/4 starter. Ditto with Richard. That’s two above average starters who will be making shit for the next 3-4 years. That’s an excellent return for Peavy; not to mention you get a good prospect in Dexter Carter.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

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