Updated: Marlins marketing department continues to take cheap shots at the Cubs
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Aug 1, 2009 4:45 AM CDT
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Print"MIAMI -- When the Marlins sent a marketing department intern out to the field at Land Shark Stadium with a billy goat during the game Friday night against the Cubs, manager Lou Piniella couldn't believe what he was seeing.
"Tasteless," he said. "When we come here they always have some gimmick that basically doesn't make any sense. I don't know who dreams of these things ... When they come to Chicago, we don't have fried marlin.
"Just play baseball." "
Chicago Tribune.
This was in Sullivan's column, I read this and wasn't surprised and pissed at the same time. Last year they played goat noises over the P.A. system and had a goat pop up on the video board when the Cubs were up at bat. Unbelievably classless and disrespectful. This is why I loathe the Florida Marlins after things like this. Arizona did this too in the '07 playoffs. They had a goat outside the park before the game, brought it in with a guy dressed up like Bartman sitting next to him. They got added to my shit list real quick after that stunt. It just goes to show little of class these small time organizations don't have. Muck the Farlins I say
Disgusting. I found a picture of this bs. I wanna punch that damn mascot in the head.
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I have had enough
I understand they have won two World Series, good for them. However they are a shit franchise and act like they are the finest franchise in the sport.
Had to listen to the Marlins TV last night, they acted like they just got Keith Hernandez instead of Nick Johnson. Johnson is a nice player, but they were talking like he is a perenial All Star.
Enough, beat this team the next two games, that is the only way to shut this team up. Just beat them every year.
They have taken over my " team I can’t stand" and that includes the Cardinals. Screw em!
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Three Marlins hitters
should eat dirt clods for this
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Edited to put the quote from the article in a quotebox...
… and to put the link to the article in.
I’m also linking to this post from my recap.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Laughable.
Their promotions dept. just gets overly giddy when the Cubs are in town because it means they’ll draw more than the average Friday night crowd in a AAA ballpark.
If it were ANY franchise in baseball other than the Marlins, it would probably make me upset. As far as their 2 championships, as soon as the economy is out of the tank they’ll get sold and wind up in another city where their prior success will go in to the scrap heap of history.
"I'm just giving the fireworks guy time to re-load".
~ Former Pitching Coach Billy Connors
Well, except for the spanking new stadium they'll have in 2012.
They’re not going anywhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I like how they have a countdown to the new stadium already
really, a 191 games (2+ years), and you’re already having fans/celebrities on the field to tear off numbers? Good luck finding that many people to do it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Can't wait.
I can’t wait to see their shiny new stadium after it has been around for a year. 35,000 shiny empty seats will make that gigantic price tag look even better.
goat
these classless teams can take all the cheap shots they want. remember who is one of the most popular teams in baseball. ahem CUBS. i really am sick of taking cheap shots from people. so cmon cubs get it done.
Exactly
The Cubs probably sell more merchandise at and around Wrigley in one game than the Marlins do in half the season.
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
From the sound of the crowd last night
Cubs fans do a pretty good job of filling the Marlins coffers too. You’d think they’d be brighter than that.
Will the Cubs PR department take Lou's advice...
… “Just play baseball” and dump the “celebrity 7th inning stretch.”
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I'd vote for that.
The “celebrity 7th inning stretch” is extremely lame.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
When baseball and bad marketing meet, you end up with fiascos like
the goat obcession and the “celebrity 7th inning stretch”. I guess these folks have to justify their jobs somehow.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 1, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not an organization cheap-shot...
… but it’s so tired & at least in the McMichael case (linked above) it was not just lame but incendiary.
Can’t Santo just do it, if they are going to have anyone “lead” it at all? After all it’s all just a rip-off from the White Sox anyways and the original was the best.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
It's not exactly a "ripoff"...
… since the same individual who started it with the Sox brought it over to the Cubs when he came here.
But I agree with you. Santo — or Pat Hughes — should do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree that the celebrity part has run it's course
It seemed appropriate to me for a year after Harry died, bringing in some celebrities that wanted to pay homage to him. Now it just seems old to do that and you end up with people who can’t sing, can’t remember the lyrics and shouldn’t be there. Hughes or Santo should do it….with the possible exception of someone like Bill Murray every once in awhile.
That said your bias is showing Crawdad…this was Harry’s idea and you sound jealous to say it is a ripoff. No one would have thought that or worried about him doing it when he was with the Cubs.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Harry Caray.
That said your bias is showing Crawdad…this was Harry’s idea and you sound jealous to say it is a ripoff. No one would have thought that or worried about him doing it when he was with the Cubs.
Who put the microphone on Harry in the first place to lead the crowd in the 7th inning stretch? That was Bill Veeck’s idea. A White Sox idea.
I’m not jealous at all. Harry had a couple good years with the Cubbies but then was a mere shadow of the broadcaster he was previously. He was a cartoon figure the last several years. He made a ton of money for himself, his family and the Cubs. Good for them
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
This is what trolls do
The only way you can make yourself feel bigger is to try to cut down the competition. Lame.
by LT on Aug 1, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did Veeck work before he went to the South Side?
He’s the guy that planted the ivy at Wrigley so does that mean the Sox are ripping-off the Cubs because they have ivy planted in their batters’ eye? I also noticed they changed the seats at the Cell to green. How dare they rip-off the seats at Wrigley.? The Sox didn’t continue the stretch tradition without Harry so it’s not like the Cubs were ripping them off. Harry brought the stretch with him. It seems silly to say teams are ripping each other off when they all use the examples of other teams.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
from the club
that was most famous for the ridiculous pr stunts…
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I'd be all for that, too...
…but I hope you’re not comparing the two. The goat stunt last night was a lame cheap shot directed at the opposing team. The celebrity 7th inning stretch may be lame (and often embarassing), but it’s not directed at the opposition.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Careful, Daver, or you'll be accused of being ageist
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
How so?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Because that's what Doc does when confronted with logical refutions of his arguments
Regardless of the fact that White Sox fans come from every background, if someone takes a shot – even jokingly – he’ll cry “racism” and then make some homophobic remark about Cub fandom.
He can’t call you a racist on this one, but since the demographics of south Florida skew towards older folks, it’s not entirely implausible that he’d respond to your statement by taking it to an equally absurd extreme and claim that you are attacking old people.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, I see.
I’m hereby retaining you as my attorney in the event of any future Crawdad attacks.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
I accept.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
bullshit
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Oh, Doc. Don't make me do it
You’re not the only one that knows how to use the search function.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
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Go ahead...
… I disagree with your assertion. I don’t cry “racism” whenever someone “takes a shot” at Sox fans, just when I believe it is racism.
You and many other Cubbie fans are apparently fine with ugly stereotypes (and probably racism) of Sox fans. It’s part of your ugly vocabulary.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Why are...
* racist tinged jokes, acceptable
* gay tinged jokes, unacceptable
Both are wrong.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Why are Sox jokes racist?
Sox fans have shown a lot more homophobia than Cub fans have shown racism in history.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 2, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Right...
Why are Sox jokes racist?
Does this tee-shirt have a racist tinged message to you?
Sox fans have shown a lot more homophobia than Cub fans have shown racism in history.
You get banned from White Sox Interactive if you make homophobic jokes about the Cubbies and generally offensive smears of Cubbie fans are not tolerated either.
Why do Cubbie fans so often post ugly smears on the Sox (Sox fans), very often racially tinged and/or socioeconomic smears? Why does it happen? Why is tolerated and at least tacitly approved?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
not all Cub fans do
so do not group Cubbie fans as a whole on that one.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Never said that ...
… “ALL Cub fans.”
I have reread my comments. I stand by them.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
You beleive it a lot, even when it isn't
You almost always follow it up with homophobic statements, which apparently you think are ok.
Sometimes, you even go way off the track by e-mailing someone who didn’t even post the “offending” comment (which, if a rational person scrolls up from the link, sees that it isn’t racist.)
And when you’re proven wrong, you simply just ignore the thread.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
My comments in follow-up to Cubbie fan smears on Sox fans...
… usually is, “well if you’re fine that smear then I’m sure you’re fine with this…”
BTW that was the point I made in my email to the Cubbie fan who was fine with racist tinged smears on Sox fans. You know the poster who’s signature that decried PC police. You know the poster who ran crying to Al with claims of “homophobic emails.” (The poster made the same misleading exaggeration here too, repeatedly. There was ONE email.)
And I could claim, as he did about the racist tinged Sox smears, that it wasn’t homophobic at all. Or like you, that “if someone takes a shot – even jokingly” about the Cubbies they get their panties in a bunch and cry “homophobia!”
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Speaking about "when you’re proven wrong, you simply just ignore the thread..."
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
You've proven nothing, other than you think I have nothing better to do all day but post on BCB.
Still waiting for you to admit being wrong about the Santo/Harrleson thing.
It’s too bad that you insist on acting like this, because all it does is obscure when you make good points.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Condemning racist tinged smears...
… is a good point. You should try it sometime.
As far as the Santo/Harrelson thing, I don’t know what you’re talking about.
You’ve proven nothing, other than you think I have nothing better to do all day but post on BCB.
How many times did you post today?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I was referring to what I'd linked to
As far as your first comment, I suggest you stop right there.
You have no idea who I am or what I believe. I will not tolerate someone insinuating that I am a racist or that I tolerate racism.
Your petty little crusade that all who insult your little fan base are inherently racist is not only a very weak argument, it is insulting to those who actually do have to confront racial prejudice.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Save your indignation...
… for those who post ugly smears.
Your petty little crusade that all who insult your little fan base are inherently racist is not only a very weak argument, it is insulting to those who actually do have to confront racial prejudice.
Never said that, nor implied that. Not all insults are racist. But certain ones have that racist angle, and I’ve called those out. Try it sometime instead of attacking me.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Answer this for me...
Does this tee-shirt have a racist tinged message to you?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Yeah, it does. That proves that someone printed a racist t-shirt
Not that all Cubs fans are racist.
Either your a very poor debater, or you are actually thick enough to think that made your point.
Either way, you can continue this discussion with yourself if you choose.
Your act has grown really tired. Congratulations – by insisting on continuously being argumentative and incendiary, you’ve managed to turn someone who has defended you on occassion to this.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Hah!
Funny!
You continue to make my point better than I ever could.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Likewise
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Tee-shirt point
That tee-shirt has a racist type message, as you apparently admit. The posts that I’ve called racist or perhaps racist tinged have had much the same sentiments.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I agree.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
"Just play baseball"
Would be kind of a cool marketing tagline. For a baseball team that doesn’t have fans do the wave or use thundersticks or have a jumbotron to throw crap on like rally monkeys.
The Marlins are a pathetic organization.
Perhaps their marketing team should focus on getting fans in the seats. What a joke of a stadium. Their announcers are atrocious as well.
Until the Cubs win it all
people are going to take all the cheap shots they want.
Notice how people don’t really mention the curse of the bambino or take those type of cheap shots at the Red Sox anymore after they won in 2004.
Of course
They were probably a bigger joke before that happened.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
yes but did the yankees or actually lets say the Tampa Bay Devil Rays...
Ever have a ghost of babe ruth come out in between innings to mock the Red Sox.
by MandMexpress12 on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, this probably is the bottom line.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Why does anyone here care what the Marlins front office does
to try and get people to come to games?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
The Marlins are actually pretty good this year.
They’re still 2nd to last i think in attendance.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
Marlins' Marketing Department
The marketing department of the Marlins should be commended for creative promotions like this. After all, they put 300 fans in the seat every night. /sarcasm/
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Aug 1, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
i was the one who posted on this stuff last year
and sent a letter to David Samson which got little attention
not only is it classless and distasteful but it creates an antagonistic atmosphere with the two fan-bases.
Marlins-Cubs games get REALLY ugly with fights in the stands, horrible language and yelling at one another, more belligerent drinking… its just a horrible experience
I live down here so I only get to see my team 3 times a year, so i still go but every time I walk out of that stadium i feel worse for the experience
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions
I know what you mean
I’d rather drive twice as long to get to Atlanta
by FloridaCubsFan on Aug 1, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
The best way to lodge a protest with the Marlins would be to stop giving them your money.
Why do Cubs fans give the Marlins their money to sit in the stands to be mocked? If Cubs fans really want this nonsense to stop they ought to quit going to the games.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I live in Tampa 5 hours away
I was seriously debating driving to the game tomorrow. But since I am convinced I give the team bad luck when I am there and I don’t really want to drive ten hours round trip for a bad experience I am not going.
I had terrible experience with the Rays fans when I went to all three Cubs games there last year. I am just really hesitant to go wear Cubs gear and give a team my money to get threatened by their fan base for three hours. Especially when homer staff really could give a crap how opposing fans are being treated as long as punches aren’t being thrown. Sadly, I have seen this way too often as an opposing Cubs fan at other stadiums.
by williamzabka42 on Aug 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You described my Dodger Stadium experiences to a T
And this is probably the root cause of my belief that attending a baseball game has become an embarrassing, degrading experience. It’s all become catering to the knuckle-draggers – something that’s wrong with society as a whole.
In over 20 years in going to Dodger Stadium
Never, ever — had I had a bad experience going to a Cubs/Dodgers game. I have never had bad experiences in SF, going to much fewer games.
In SD, there are problems seemingly every freakin’ inning.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
SF can be a tough place for a Dodger fan though
I have never had a problem wearing Cub colors there, not now at AT&T Park or the old days at the Stick.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's somewhat true
And in honesty, there have been fan problems at Dodger Stadium in the past few years. Most of this takes place out in the OF pavilion, from what I’ve been told.
I’ve sat out there one time in all these years, but that was 15 years ago. I didn’t care for the view. It’s not the Wrigley bleacher view, and it’s not worth the cheaper ticket.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 3, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i live 10 mins
from the stadium
i get to see my team live 3 times a year…..
i’ll take it
thanks.
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 1, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
apparently 2 guys and a goat.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
by copes006 on Aug 1, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm.... must get lonely when the Marlins are out of town. ;-)
NOT paging SWL… NOT paging SWL…
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my eyes...
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Good one...I think the goat should be in charge, probably could do better at it.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
So pathetic.
They’re getting three of the biggest gates they’ll see all season and they repay these people putting money in their pockets by insulting them. I really don’t get the thought process. I mean, do you prefer empty seats?
BSG Girls = Cubs Win! So say we all.
I don't care.
I shouldn’t have to get pissed off because I know we have more class then them.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Yeah, Cubs fans definitely have more class.
It’s not like you ever see Cubs fans outside of Wrigley walking around with a goat on opening day or before playoff games. It’s not like a Cubs fan hung a goat head on the Harry Caray statue outside Wrigley on opening day. Oh, wait…..
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the fans doing that.
The goat thing in Florida is done by the team’s marketing department. I trust you can see the difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baseball Organizations have to hold up some sort of moral code.
It’s ok if your mascot runs out in some sort of costume and heckles the players. I expect that, and it would be done to just about every team. But just attacking one team, that’s pretty shitty.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
Only one way to stop all of the 1908, Bartman, and Billy Goat remarks...
"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo
by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 1, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Attacking the highest visible teams only makes them look lowest
When there’s a true lack of marketing talent (see the team 9 miles south for an example) one must resort to shit like this. That’s OK. Ignore them as if they were representatives of the team 9 miles south.
The last thing I want to see is Wrigley with some form of fish-ripping the next time they’re here; that would only make the Cubs look as if they stoop down to their level.
Besides, for every fish fan there is across the country, there’s a hundred Cubs fans.
Just win the next game...!
Not as bad as it used to be
When they first hired that young guy from ND, his campaign consisted of attacking the Cubs and their fans. Predicably, Sox fans ate it up.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This is standard operating procedure
for smaller-market teams who have some sort of ‘history’ against the Cubs. The Padres, of course — celebrated the 20th Anniversary of their pennant — when the Cubs were in town. They wore their 1984 throwback uniforms for the first time.
The 1984 “Cubbuster” logo was back, and they started selling replica t-shirts.
(It’s a confused bear in a blue shirt wearing a blue cap with the universal “stop” or “no entry” shield superimposed over the animal.)
Thankfully, the Cubs won that night and actually took two out of three that weekend at the new Petco Park. At least the Padres didn’t stoop to “goats” and such nonsense.
As Bricks And Ivy says, there is only one way to put an end to this childish ‘marketing’ behavior.
Teams such as the Giants, Dodgers – and even the Mets…don’t pull such ‘pranks’ on other teams. Miami, San Diego — cities with major inferiority complexes.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 1, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
See? If the 'history' is different, fans shut up.
But Cubs games are a different story. I really don’t like attending Cubs games in SD. I’d rather go to LA.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Fried Marlin
that’s awesome … seriously … that’s awesome … they should do that as a special someday
Can the team photo of bad marketing stunts include our boy Crane's horrible...
…decsion last season to bring in the Greek Orthodox Priest? I’ve never really had much respect for him after that…
This type of garbage is one of the reasons lemmings buy into the goat and curse BS…
Not sure that qualifies as a marketing stunt...
…but it was a really bad idea, for which Crane has apologized for (I think).
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Yes on both counts.
He admitted it was a bad idea and apologized.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And lied.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Hard for me to take a cheapshot at an organization that has won two World Series Championships in 12 years and is competitive again with a sliver of the payroll we have
The marketing thing is cheesy. But who really cares. Until they get into their new stadium they struggle mightily to draw fans and therefore resort to doing what we might consider stupid things. They operate on a shoestring budget and this is what they came up with. Who cares.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
like the promo or not, it worked
what are we talking about, their marketing ploy to generate conversation about their product.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Next game vs. Marlins at Wrigley, I'd like to see:
Today’s Attendance: 41,235 = 8 Florida home games
Tony LaRussa agrees
La Russa chimes in: Cardinals manager Tony La Russa was told Saturday that Piniella was upset the Marlins trotted out a goat during the game Friday.
“He should be [angry],” La Russa said. “Do you think that’s acceptable? I think every organization has these creative types who have to justify their creativity. They come up with this [stuff], and once in a while, it’s cute. But most of the time, somebody gets injured.”
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
Not surprised a guy as whiny as LaRussa would let his panties get in twist
So what if the Marlins ran a goat out there? Why should any Cub fan care? I doubt it matters much to the players. I guess all the rataliators from the Nunez thread would have us throw at the goat, eh Worf?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he was referring to the goat when he said somebody gets injured.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 2, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone get PETA on the phone!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You know I really hate Tony, and give him a lot of crap
But he deserves credit for always making Cubs-Cardinals about baseball and not about goats and 100 years and crap like that. Good for him.
I have to go wash my mouth out now.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I wondered about the "injured" reference of LaRussa's comment, too.
The only somewhat reasonable conclusion I could come to is he was referring to teams throwing at each other because of all the animosity that develops out of these misguided, cheap-shot marketing campaigns. Look at what happened in Miami this weekend.
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Why so serious?
People are way too upset about this. Lighten up. It’s all in good fun. They’re desperate down there in Florida. Trying all kinds of tricks to get people to come to the ballpark. Not sure why people are so “offended” by it. It’s baseball. It’s a game. People come to the ballpark to be entertained. If I were a Marlins fan, sure I’d be entertained. As a Cubs fan…I say let them do whatever they want to get fans to see them play. No big deal. Seriously…no need to take this so seriously.
Just my two cents.
Well said.
I thought the we must retaliate against Nunez thread was goofy, but all this whining about a silly publicity stunt is worse.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
My response
Sports is NOT entertainment. It is TEAM ATHLETIC COMPETITION conducted in a spirit of mutual respect.
When those inside and outside the game treat it as entertainment, the product suffers. You end up with steroid usage and falsified age documentation. It becomes all about the dough – the more the better. And as such, franchises market the experience of going to a ballgame to the LCD. And as such, they are killing the goose (or marlin, or cub) that lays the golden egg.
Sports is entertainment
to deny that is to deny the obvious. But that does not mean that sports marketing has to cater to the lowest common denominator among us.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps that was the case in Pro sports back in 1967
and, for the Blackhawks until Rocky Wirtz took over, but modern-day pro sports are completely different. With the exception of Wrigley Field, it’s now standard that fans must be entertained every second. Every league, every sport.
The ‘game-day experience’ must come first, especially in markets where the entertainment dollar (not the ‘sports’ dollar) can go in many different directions.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why I'm only into baseball for the Cubs
As soon as they win a pennant, it’s adios. What pro sports has become is stomach-turning and I’ll be glad to be free of the MLB habit once the Cubs get to the World Series in my lifetime.
If following baseball causes you such physical distress
you are a fool for continuing to follow it.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 3, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
When you watch a Cubs game...
…are you not entertained?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The goat
Maybe the Marlins fans trot out a goat because they just love goats!
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Let's just face it
Cubs fans are punching bags. Easy targets. It’s the price we pay for our loyalty to the Cubs. I’d like to be corny and say that the party will be so much sweeter when the Cubs do go all the way. But until that happens, we’re going to have to just suck it in and ignore them.
by daeviant on Aug 2, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was in Miami
this past weekend. Came down from Chicago. They continued with the goat noises all freakin’ weekend but atleast they didn’t put the goat on the score board with the picture of the 1908 Chicago Cubs team. When they brought a Cubs fan on the field to answer a trivia question, I knew something was up and we were yelling for him to get the question wrong as we were not that far away from him. The question was "who was the first Marlin Player to hit 30 homeruns and steal 30 bases in a season? Derrek Lee, Gary Sheffield, Preston Wilson. He aswered Wilson and when they said he was correct he got excited. Then they said “here is your prize” and out came Billy with the goat. I was most disappointed that the Cubs fan actually walked inside holding the rope the goat was attached to. I have always despised the Marlins but now it’s pure loathe. Other than baseball, the weekend in South Beach was great. Lots of Cubs fans out there.
when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."
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