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Thriving or dying with this year's bullpen

It appears the offense for the most part has been resurrected scoring 93 runs since the All Star Break leading the team to a 11-4 break out. The starting pitching despite injuries has been there all year where a rookie surprise in Wells has stabilized the stars of Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster and Harden. Adding a young veteran in Gorzelanny will hopefully keep the situation ordered until Lilly returns later this month, hopefully fully recovered. The issue is the bullpen isn't it?


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Gregg has surpassed most of this community's expectations with a workmanlike performance closing games. Marmol has been shaky as last night exhibited, we thought he was there in that most part this portion of July  where he seemed to have the lights-out stuff. Marshall has evolved into his role exceptionally well where only a few inherented baserunners have scored. Guzman has developed well and and as long as remains healthy he is solid middle reliever. But then there is the inconsistent and frustrating Heilman, good stuff that moves---often out of the strike zone--- often maddening! 

Therefore in my mind the Cubs have three consistent performers and two roll of the dice. Now we add Grabow a lefty that is not really a LOOGY, much like Marshall but effective. So that is six veterans for now. That then leaves Stevens or Samardzija in the long reliever role for now. When Lilly returns just before the rosters increase in September one could at least see the plan to be Gorzelanny in that long reliever role.

The question than is will the Cubs thrive or die with this year's bullpen? It comes back to the maddening and frustrating members of this crew, Marmol and Heilman. If one or both actually find themselves to be consistent the Cubs should be able to close the final two months playing .600 or better ball.

Finally I pulled up the opening day roster and Cubs have removed Vizcaino (waived), Cotts (AAA) and Patton is nicely snuggled away on the DL, adding Marshall from the starters, now Grabow and either Samardzija or Stevens. We have seen Atkins, Waddel & Berg come up and have a cup of MLB coffee, traded Ascanio & Hart who spent some time up here, and then there is Chad Fox who came up and got hurt almost like how the Sun comes up every day over Lake Michigan. But as I look at the situation now this bullpen is in better shape than it was all year.

Only Stevens and Wells are really rookies, Stevens looks promising and Wells, well what thankful return from RULE V he has been. Gorzelanny appears to have at least one more, possibly two years left before free agency while Grabow appears to be in his final arbitration year. Long term the Cubs seem to have some bullpen stability as well and at least for now more than a pair of lefties.

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Looking ahead to the playoffs and how this 'pen might fare there -

Gregg and Grabow are the constants – fair-enough relievers who can get their jobs done, but aren’t going to take hope away from any teams. They aren’t lights out.

The guys who could be are Marmol and Guzman, but they could just as easily be broken by then, too. It’s going to be a challenge for Lou to manage down the stretch without putting too much of a burden on those two. To help that happen, Grabow needs to continue to make that good first impression.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Aug 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really starting to like this bullpen

Marmol appears to be finding it, and I do know how bad he was last night, but look at his July numbers before last night:
IP: 13 ERA: .69 K: 19 BB: 6 H: 5

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They've definitely turned into a strength

The 1-1 and such (low-scoring games) have really put a magnifying glass on them, and as such, I think some people don’t realize how good of a job they’ve done since April.

by madcow256 on Aug 1, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's still too many walks, though

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is

But what you have to notice is that one walk every two innings won’t burn him very much, due to the fact that opponents hit about 170 off of him, which is in fact one of the best in the majors. Plus, his walk numbers are way lower than his June total, 17 in 13.1 innings.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it's better than it was

Best thing for him would be to get right back out there tonight.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right, seeing him shake off last night would boost his confidence.

That said after losing the first game of the series against the hated Marlins, I would certainly prefer him coming into a game already decided, with us up a few runs or more.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like our pen

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Aug 1, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

George Sherrill would have been perfect for this team

Left handers simply cannot hit him, but he’s good against right handers too; is cheap; and under club control for another year

He was the one addition I really wanted to see at the deadline.

by Brian17 on Aug 1, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would have cost a LOT more than Grabow and Gorz.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 1, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The Dodgers gave up two good prospects, especially Josh Bell, who’s been hitting the cover off the ball. I imagine he would have cost us Jay Jackson or someone of that caliber and another lower level prospect. Not worth it.

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Aug 1, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guzman, he has been a big contributor to the pen this season.

I was one who had a lot of doubt in him due to years of “here he comes…….to the DL” so to speak. I am glad he has proven himself an asset to the pen.

DOuble Stack, this ones for you

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

With the report that Gorzelanny will be used as a starter

We need Grabow to step up and provide some help for Marshall. Adding to that, I believe Lou needs even more now to use Marshall longer, more than one batter or one inning to make that left handed reliever valuable. Unless the Gorzelanny starter thing doesn’t work out, there’s no reason to limit Marshall so much because he won’t be starting.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Talk me down.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 1, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh come one now...

…we’ve thrived with this bullpen a lot more than we’ve thrived with the offense.

It would help if the bullpen didn’t have to defend ties and one-run games as often as our has had to. Asking for permanent 0,00 ERAs is a bit much.

The bullpen hasn’t been the problem – RBIs have.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Aug 1, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

And I know it’s a really small sample size, but I really like Jeff Stevens. I would rather he keep a spot on the 25-man roster than Shark. Guzman has been fantastic. That HR to Blum was the exception rather than the rule.

I feel the same about gas can Heilman as everyone else. Just wish Lou and Jim could see what we see.

Despite the huge series offensively against Houston, the bats remain a question mark. Last night Volstad, who is a pretty good starter, made them look pretty bad. Let’s not forget that against Houston it was Wandy (who they scored 1 run off), the mop-up guys when Oswalt got hurt, Russ Ortiz, and Mike Hampton.

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 1, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the pen.

Guzman, Gregg and Marmol are all quality, above average arms, and that’s even taking into account their struggles this year. Marshall and Grabow are decent, perhaps above average pitchers as well. I don’t trust Heilman, Shark or Stevens, but down the stretch Lou can ride his better arms a bit more and in the playoffs I doubt the latter three guys would get any work anyway.

by dakoose on Aug 1, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mitch Atkins

He’s looked decent. I wouldn’t mind giving him a few more shots. I thought we would use him tonight after seeing the early lead. Games like this make you scratch your head. I was ready to scream 4-5 times.

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Aug 1, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mitch atkins=trade bait

If BJ Ryan can get people out in the bigs, we suddenly might have four lefty candidates for the pen in 2010. And that’s with projecting Sean Marshall as a starter. Ryan, Grabow, Waddell, and John Gaub, who our recent moves have saved us from burning one of his options. Use Atkins in Patton-esque slots for awhile and send him back to Iowa when (Soto or) Lilly gets back.

I’d have no problem with Atkins riding the Chicago-to-Iowa shuttle next year. But he’s the fringe-y type of arm that, well, St. Louis or Milwaukee might want this year. So somebody ought to want him in February or so. The Pirates site was referring to Ascanio as a potential set-up man. So, yeah, Atkins will have value in the winter to someone <<cough, KC?, cough>>

by tim815 on Aug 2, 2009 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gorzelanny may also go to the pen when Lilly returns.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 2, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would seem likely unless

But he is nice insurance to have in case something happens to someone else.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill

by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes Al, I think Gorz is the long relief guy then.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 2, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pen

gregg has done a decent job and guzman has been a great surprise.marmol has gotten downright scary and i dont mean that in a good way. marshall has been great and heilman has not. 2 more months of this up and down sideshow.

by NOMAR on Aug 2, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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