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"Prior hasn't played in a big league game since 2006."

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Dang, you're fast

Beat me by four minutes. It makes me sad, that kid was so good and had so much talent.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

*sigh*

I think this article by Tom Verducci in ‘08 explained Prior’s downfall well:

MARK PRIOR is a classic example of a high-performing pitcher who was permitted to break down because of poor mechanics. Ironically, Prior was often hailed for his “flawless” mechanics when the Cubs drafted the righthander out of USC with the No. 2 pick in 2001, though that assessment seems to have been influenced by scouts’ preference for his 6’5", 225-pound body type. Studied closely, his mechanics included two severe red flags: 1) Prior lifted his throwing elbow higher than his shoulder before reaching the loaded position, increasing the stress on his elbow and shoulder; and 2) … Prior rotated his hips and torso before getting to the loaded position. With the letters of Prior’s jersey already facing the target, his arm could not simply “go along for the ride”—the ride was over, so his arm had to generate all of its own power.

I remember all the talk about him pitching forever due to his perfect form and I think that ultimately hurt him because people didn’t catch these flaws early enough. Or as was stated earlier in that article, people just kept having that attitude of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
I still wish him the best of luck in his career and hopefully he can still get out of this string of injuries and continue to play baseball. He was amazing to have seen in person while he was still with the Cubs.

by sweethomechicago on Aug 1, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Beyond that...

… I have to believe the elbow injury he suffered when Brad Hawpe’s line drive hit him in May 2005 had a lot to do with the eventual shoulder problem. At the time that happened we all thought it would be season-ending, if not career-ending.

However, he was back in four weeks. It could not have properly healed in that amount of time. It is possible that there was a slight change in his mechanics then which could have caused a shoulder injury.

In any case, yes, it’s too bad. I doubt he’ll play again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats how I have always felt too Al.

That injury was horrific. who knows how fast and hard that ball was traveling, would not shock me if it was in the 120-130mph range. I know I have heard reports that estimated 118 but that there was no way to know exactly how fast it was traveling. What was even worse was that up until that point Prior seemed to turn the corner injury wise and seemed from an outside view to be healthy. Also how knows how that injury affected him mentally. All those injuries he had prior to that and then to finally seem healthy and get injured like that had to be demoralizing and flat out scary. I was shocked, rather stunned to see him return when he did. At the time I thought it was good thing because I thought it was not as bad as initially thought. but who knows exactly.

And regardless it was a decision made by the organization and Prior. I have always had a hard time blaming just one person esp Dusty even though he contributed. I think Prior, Dusty, Larry Rothchild, Hendry and his staff, plus the cubs doctors, and I am sure many others all deserve to share the blame. Now you could certainly argue how the blame is spread around and who deserves the majority of the blame. I just always thought it was unfair to put 100% or close to 100% of the blame on Dusty’s shoulders, especially when it involved a freak injury like the Brad Hawpe incident.

And even before that everyone was caught up in that magical run in 2003 from the day we traded for Lofton and Aramis. And it was a magical run. And when you look at past champions starting pitchers do get over extended to win world series. Look at Hamels this year and you cannot help but wonder if last years magical post season is not playing a big part in that. Ask Bob Brenly in 2001, they needed Curt Schilling and Randy johnson to pitch on short rest, to pitch out of bullpen day after starts. Does not make it right or wrong, it is simply a fact that in order to win in the Post Season you will to weight heavily on your best pitchers. Starters go later and throw more pitches. your closer and/or set up men often throws two innings.

by MandMexpress12 on Aug 2, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Post But I Can't Help But Wonder

The decline of Mark Prior was so rapid, did anybody ever suspect he was on steroids? There has been no reports of him being on steroids and it is pure speculation on my part. I can’t help wondering though. I never seen a top prospect pitch himself out of baseball so fast because of the body breaking down.

by Gesiakob on Aug 2, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I swear to God, Allah, Buddha and Kermit the Frog

The first person to suggest we take a flyer on him will be dead.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 1, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

why not?

if the price is right………..

SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, why not?

It doesn’t even have to be league minimum and it sure wouldn’t cost a roster spot. Just sign him to something to keep food on the table and have him keep working out in Arizona. The guy’s still only 28.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs don't owe him food on the table

They don’t owe him the cost of a four-bladed razor.

He’s 28. He’s also 28 and done with baseball.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 1, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he could play SS or

be a closer for us?

:P

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Aug 1, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Closer would be good

I’m sure the clubhouse guys need someone to lock up after the game is over.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 1, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peanut guy?

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, it could be argued

that Prior owes the Cubs some money.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 2, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, extend that logic a bit more...

…and I’m sure the Cubs owe Al and a lot of other long-time Cubs fans money for all those pre-1984 lean years (and several since then).

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prior doesn't need any charity

He didn’t pitch in 2006 and then asked for more money from the Cubs that off season. He’s going to be ok

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Aug 1, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget to move:

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Aug 1, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

really is sad....

i hope he pitches again. He became my favortie cub in 02

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Aug 1, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I was at his last "good game"

He pitched 5.2 NO hit innings against the Mets in August of 06 got an a no decision in a loss. Looked ok not great but threw far too many pitches. It was part of the utter meltdown of the Cubs in 06 anyway but I don’t think I suspected I would never see him pitch again.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 1, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

This was the headline on MLB mobile on my phone

I got a laugh to see it at first, but then I read the article and just felt bad for Mark. He really got a tough break… it said he was making $15,000/month with the Padres… I know that’s a ton to us regular folk, but he was making that per inning pitched back in the day… what an incredible fall from grace. I hope he can find some doctors that can help him so at least he has a chance to pitch again… but it sounds like his career might be over. I wish him nothing but luck.

by lswaidz on Aug 1, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I got a new perspective on this kind of thing

My new trainer at the health club I belong to was once a top pitching prospect.

He blew out his arm and kept trying to come back but it kept getting hurt.

He got a cup of coffee in the bigs, pitched 6 innings in relief as a September callup.

We had an interesting talk while he put me through my paces.

The dream once you get an even small taste of it is hard to give up.

I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 1, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

i think i heard of this guy

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

The name sounds familiar doesn't it.

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Richard Prior?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 1, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark Suppelsa?

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

im stumped

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

For never was there a story of more woe

than this of Mark Prior and his Elbow

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Aug 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Well as long as we hold ground...

until Prior and Woods return, we should have a shot at the playoffs

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Aug 1, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

WOOOOOOOWWWWW

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Cover Jinxes

what the hell happened to Michelle Wie?

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 2, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

She was just named to

the Solheim Cup as a Captain’s pick yesterday. I’ll probably do a Fanpost on it, actually.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Aug 3, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

The good old / bad days, lol

by Gesiakob on Aug 2, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting to also note that Kerry Wood is AWFUL in Cleveland

He blew another save last night.

Prior? I stopped caring two years ago. His career is over. Fortunately for him he made millions for doing nothing in the majors, comes from a wealthy family and has a degree from USC. He’ll do just fine in the next chapter of his life.

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Pitching coach for the cubs?

Next year he’ll be teamed up with Ryno, so they both be managing in the bigs!

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Aug 1, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitching coach for the Cubs?

Hey, kids. DO NOT DO ANYTHING THIS MAN TELLS YOU!

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 1, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he's done everything wrong...

and as such should know what not to do?

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Aug 1, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine how different the cubs would be if the twins picked prior instead of mauer

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs could have had Joe Mauer or Mark Texiera....

Oh to dream.

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 1, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

or the zombie of ted williams

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 1, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was being serious.

I remember at the time, had the Twins taken Prior, the Cubs would have taken Teixeira.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would defintely prefer Mauer.

But Teixeira isn’t half bad these days, is he?

Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.

by Cub Style on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya I remember there was many articles that there was much back and forth between the Cubs Brass.

On whether or not to take Teixeria or Prior if the Twins drafted Mauer. who knows how that would have changed the course of injury. We may not have made it to where we did in 03 without Prior. or maybe we would have. impossible to tell but always fun too look back and see how history ended up. Also remember the Yankees drafted Mark Prior out of High School but could never convince him to sign as he was basically set on going to college and specifically USC.

by MandMexpress12 on Aug 2, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vandy

He must not have been too dead set on going to USC…he attended Vanderbilt first.

"Cub fans like to think of things in catastrophic terms." - Crane Kenney

by NashvilleBlue on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dang!

You just never know in the Draft.

by Gesiakob on Aug 2, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut

the Cubs farm system would have fried them since they’re position players.

Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.

by DGU on Aug 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Years from now people are not even going to remember how good he was.

He lived up to the hype, but flamed out. I truly feel bad for him, remember how exiting it was to watch his minor league highlights on sportscenter? I also think back to the days of Wood, Prior and Zambrano, some announcer said Z had the best stuff on the staff, now we know its the truth. Good luck Mark.

Hector Villanueva ate himself out of the big leagues, He was a Big Big leaguer

by Adam Uhlhorn on Aug 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I would not say he had the best stuff of the staff. He definitely has the most succesful career and better mechanics or just more luck healthwise.

but pure stuff wise. back in early 2000’s I and every other cubs fan would have taken Prior’s and Woods stuff over Zambranos.

by MandMexpress12 on Aug 2, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sign him!

Hey, at least he went back to school.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Aug 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Sad story really

The guy had all of this input from Tom House and others who told him this is how to throw and he took the advise and it ruined his career.
 Alot of bad advise and bad luck. Shame.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Too bad

We all loved him when he was mystifying hitters. He just flamed out. I was at his last start. It was sad. You could tell he was out there with absolutely nothing going for him. Physically you could tell he was done. I hope he invested some of his money wisely.

by Nibbles on Aug 1, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Tom House does not recommend

the kind of scary mechanics that are being described here (overly-high elbow, too-early opening of the body before the release) AFAIK. How it is that Prior got through House and the minors without fixing these (basic) flaws is a mystery. I guess when you have the success of Prior (and Wood) nobody can tinker with you. It;s a shame.

by cubmudgeon on Aug 2, 2009 6:36 AM CDT reply actions  

His Father....

… for the lack of a more eloquent term, is one of the biggest douchebag fathers in the history of civilization. While he was responsible for engaging Tom House at the exclusion of all other coaches, he refused to let his son follow anything other his own recommendation. I’m not kidding. Prior couldn’t order something from a menu if his father was there without his permission. There is no way to adequately described what a piece of crap Prior’s father was and is to this day. Dusty Baker, Larry Rothschild, on and on, are NOT to blame for Mark Prior’s eventual downfall. It’s his ragass father.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 2, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I've been saying...

… Prior is the Todd Marinovich of baseball.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

And smokes a lot of pot?

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Aug 2, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

employee

my career advice to mark. do a kerry wood. imagine what a great closer this guy could be. unfortunately it seems like he cant even pitch anymore . teams so desperate for pitching means this guy will find another team to pay his way if he chooses to continue.

by NOMAR on Aug 2, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

That's why the Padres signed him....

They were desperate and hoped to catch lightening in a bottle. But after a year and a half with no progress, they ran out of patience.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 2, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prior is a smart guy

with a business degree and lots of money. He’ll be all right even if he never throws another pitch.

by Clark Addison on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

ya i think at one point this year in time there were only 24 or 26 guys on a major league roster that had a college degree.

I know he was not on a major league roster at that time. but he is among a select number of individuals in baseball that have a college degree. I found that study shocking and utterly sad. However it makes you understand why a lot of these guys use steriods late in their careers in an attempt to stay in the game. they have no degree and it is the only thing that most of them have ever worked for.

by MandMexpress12 on Aug 2, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prior's father also has a net worth of over $100 million

I don’t think anybody should shed a tear for Mark Prior.

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 2, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Huh, never knew that…

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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Aug 3, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Prior was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. His old man is a highly successful business man in Southern California.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fire away?

Paul Sullivan, did you report about this “angry” retort back when it happened in 2006? (I looked at Sullivan’s report on the game in the August 11 & 12, 2006 Tribs and I did not see where Sullivan reported on it.)

“Asked afterwards if he would be shut down for the rest of the season, an angry Prior shot back: “What do you think? No.”"

If you didn’t report that “angry” retort then, why are you reporting it now?

Throwing a stone from a distance Paul?

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by DrCrawdad on Aug 2, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

That's really petty of him.

Prior may not have handled the media the correct way, but I can’t say I wouldn’t react the same way. I’m sure he was really frustrated with the whole situation and not being able to live up to the hype.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Aug 2, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prior's career parallels another MLB pitcher. Two words:

Mark Fidrych.

(Prior is Fidrych without the Bird’s “bubbly” personality…plus the towels…)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 3, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

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