Tell Your Statistics To Shut Up
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 8:54 AM CDT
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And before you go on the attack, if you don't recognize the title of this post, it's a line from an old "Peanuts" cartoon.
A little more than a year ago, I made this post titled "Nature vs. Nurture", an attempt to reconcile the seemingly irreconcilable differences between those who are intensely into statistical analysis of baseball and those who see other factors.
Yesterday, in this FanPost about Carlos Zambrano going to the DL, some heated discussion got going between several posters who cited some statistical studies they had done, and those who, um, disagreed with them.
The argument seemed to boil down to:
STAT GUYS: Thesearethenumbersandwhycan'tyouseethemyoudolts!
OTHER GUYS: Iseeyournumbersbutthat'snotallthereistoityoumorons!
First of all, the namecalling on this site will stop. NOW. Have passion, back up your arguments with facts or other factors, but do not call other posters names. That devalues your argument and makes you look like you're on a middle school playground. This site isn't a middle school playground; it is, hopefully, a place where intelligent people can get together and discuss baseball and the Cubs.
About the particular argument in question, I'm not going to take sides. However, I will point out that there generally are two (or sometimes, more) sides to any baseball discussion. Statistics, whether basic or advanced, do tell a story about baseball players or managers, and there is no doubt that advanced metrics have changed the way baseball management has viewed players and their performance over the last 20 or so years. For example, the current MLB on-base percentage is .333. Twenty years ago, in 1989, the overall MLB OBA was .320. There is no question that proves that teams see the value of getting on base.
However, in my mind there is also no doubt that there are many other factors in analyzing baseball players, whether it's viewing someone whose emotions boil over on the playing field, or something that we as fans don't see -- perhaps a player has trouble in his personal life that is affecting the way he plays. You could say that players shouldn't bring that to the ballpark, but that's human nature -- think of your own work and how things in your own life might affect the way you perform your job.
That's why I titled the original post "nature vs. nurture". Both are factors that affect play on a baseball diamond. The game is played by human beings -- and that, I think, is the beauty of watching it.
All I ask here is that you present your arguments cogently and not attack others. Thanks, and now let's win this game tonight and end the road trip on a winning note. The game preview will post at 5:30 pm CDT.
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no one is saying statistics are the end of the discussion
I am not clear why you continue to raise this strawman, Al. Anyway, I dare you to prove this wrong http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/controversial?utm_source=a-section
by WhistlerWilliams on Aug 10, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen to the name calling
It makes Cubs fans look really childish to other fans who may be visiting our site from another SB Nation site (say VEB?)…It must end
by IUJoe on Aug 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you will disagree, Al
And I do not pretend to be objective.
But the name-calling originated from, and mostly continued from, the numbers guys. Actually, one numbers guy in particular.
I don’t find personal attacks offensive. I’ve been called worse things by better people.
However, I understand your desire to stamp it down, for the site’s sake.
What I object to is the “both sides did it” routine. I’m not sure that’s the case, or if it was the case, it certainly wasn’t equal.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can agree to a degree--
—but regardless of where it comes from, it’s probably not necessary.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's the topic
The worst abuse I get on this site is when I slam Zambrano. That worries me a little bit, not for my own sake, but because I think Zambrano is turning into this icon figure that I don’t think is deserved.
Again, I think the comparisons to Favre are apt.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not start this again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of incurring Thorr's wrath . . . .
I suspect you don’t want this thread to deteriorate into what yesterday’s became, and I don’t blame you.
But, without delving further into the Zambrano discussion itself, Worf does have a point. If anyone says anything remotely negative about Zambrano, that person gets jumped on. Saturday, Jessica and I got flamed, and a frequent poster accused me of having it in for not only Zambrano, but somehow found a way to work Lou Piniella into the discussion.
I’m not interested in pursuing either discussion, but the larger point is, as chilango2 said in yesterday’s thread:
Attack the logic. Do not attack the man.
Passion is great, but there’s no reason to be blinded by it and get defensive because someone else doesn’t like your favorite player.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attack the logic. Do not attack the man.
Unfortunately, with most of these posts there’s so little logic in the argument to attack that all that’s left is the man.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, that's not acceptable here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you'll just have to try harder
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm, you sort of started it again
by making a front page story out of the argument.
You can’t have it both ways. You want to let the discussion or argument to drop, not bringing it up again is a pretty tried and true method to doing just that
by Illicat on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. It came from one user in particular.
And when a handful of us tried to point out exactly what Al said about the namecalling devaluing the arguments, that user got worse.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether it was equal or not, it still has to end.
I was not making specific accusations, and that doesn’t matter, anyway.
Just end it. That wasn’t aimed at you, either. It’s for everyone.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any stats to back up your assertion? ;)
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity, Al...
…if it keeps up, are you planning to take action against repeat offenders? I don’t post enough to really get into a namecalling session with someone, but will habitual abusers get some sort of banination in their lives?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet.
I imagine you somewhat Thor-like while bring your hammer of justice.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Quality sucking up there :)
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, sure.
Sucking up is only designed to get you stuff, and I expect nothing from Al.
Though, the idea of seeing Thor sitting in the bleachers is pretty amusing.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make sure to bring my lightning bolt.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right. Thorr had a hammer.
♫If I had a hammer♪
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think of Jesus as wearin’ a Tuxedo T-Shirt, that says, like, “I want to be formal, but I like to party too.” I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party too.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew!
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(grabs calculator & regression book)
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The BLou Factor
The guy seems to ignite a lot of the arguments around here, and I’m not just blaming him. Sure he’s done his share of name-calling, and I’ve shaken my head at some of his comments, but often times it’s people responding to him that starts the verbal war.
I read his stuff, and I laugh. Some people read his stuff, and no matter what he posts, they jump down his throat. Everyone needs to just rise above the B.S., and recognize that everyone’s got an opinion, and the right to voice it, without the fear of being torched by fellow Cub fans.
Can’t we all just get along, and share in the misery/joy that goes along with following this franchise?
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BLou was nowhere to be found in yesterday's thread
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Only after the game, when the Cubs had lost.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful Al!
That’s almost name-calling!
;)
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
“Cubs lost”. That’s close to name-calling, right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its hurts as much as name calling :(
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't there either
I wasn’t talking specifically about yesterday, just in general terms.
We all get pissed when the Cubs play below our expected level, and unfortunately people take it out on each other.
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was evident in Saturday's game thread
I usually avoid those, but I went there to vcomiserate/vent before going out for the evening. BLou went there to kick a hornet’s nest and left when the Cubs took the lead back.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He appeared in the threads on Saturday.
He tried pointing out that we were wrong, as usual, and when some people (myself included) disagreed with his posts, nearly every comment from him turned into a jab at someone.
I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.
The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were pretty nonsensical, too
He blasted Dempster, who deserved a lot better than his defense was giving him.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit Demp!
you can’t get six lousy outs in an inning? :P
That inning reminded me of Game 2. Sheesh.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least in Game 2, they were spread out more
Actually, that doesn’t make it better.
Yeah, it was ugly.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
Also, check out this comment he made in reply to a comment I made that day (page up for my comment). How he came up with those conclusions is anyone’s guess.
I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.
The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I caught that real-time.
Weird.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
is my 2 cents.
Stats are facts. They are a record of what happens in the game. When I argue I like to use facts. Fanposts like yesterdays contain statements like “Zambrano can’t hold Carpenters jockstrap!!” comments like this annoy me to no end. First because it isn’t true and can be proven to be not true. I linked to a huge amount of work that writers from over 3 other blogs have done regarding Zambrano and despite all of that you still get nothing but pithy one liners from the other side. So you have one group trying to have a rational, fact based analysis of a statement and the other side trying to be a BCB version of a sports talk radio host.
Look, if people are ignorant of stats because they are unfamiliar that’s one thing, it doesn’t take much to show how you get to these numbers. But when people are not only willfully ignorant but also proud of it thats when I lose all tolerance. You don’t deserve to be taken seriously when you do that and they should be challenged, openly and repeatedly, because I would hate to see opportunity for actual debate and maybe a little bit of learning drowned out by the bleating of a few repeat offenders.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All respect, Al
the fact that this guy still has an active account to be posting with makes me question just how serious you are about this.
This was the justification yesterday — that because we didn’t respect the Holy Shrine of Stats, we deserved to be called names. Essentially, we had it coming.
All respect, either get out of the way and let us settle it on the field, or umpire both sides.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does somebody
“settle it on the field”?
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Metaphorically speaking--
—let the “players” sort it out themselves.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we going
to eFight? pistols at dawn?
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An eFight...
… would have to be iPods at dawn.
Right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone will come up with an app
for that and make millions of $$$$ selling it in the app store?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'm not advocating it
But I think his point was that he was trying to tell Al he should be doing something about it already, or just let people sort it out. Eventually one or both parties will tire of it, and it’ll be done with, or someone will stop posting.
I’m not a big fan of this philosophy, as it makes for a completely not-enjoyable experience for everyone else here, but I get what he’s saying.
I don’t know if there should be sub heading for in-depth statistical discussions, but that seems silly when you could just, y’know, avoid the stats discussions if you don’t want to read them, and avoid the sugary intangibles discussions if you don’t want to read them.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the thing
It’s not like I was leading a discussion on how to calculate ZORP 3.0 yesterday. I was using anything from ERA + to WINS to show how Zamrano has been an elite pitcher for 6 years running and all you get is “Nope, Big Z SUCKS!!!”
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you got people not liking Zambrano, which upset you.
Plus, let’s not forget your first comment on the original post:
Worf you win the top idiot of the day
Do you really not see how that wasn’t productive?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less
if people don’t like Carlos Zambrano the person (I dont understand it but whatever). It’s when they act like he hurts the team as a player or blame him for getting hurt in BP that gets me going.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your words yesterday tell a different story
Trying to compare him to Brett Favre and then making a claim that Z isn’t durable like Favre is beyond a joke. I will not respect such garbage and I really don’t care if that offends somebody. People should be offended that some internet dork can go out and disparage one of our best and most durable Cubs pitchers OF ALL TIME using no evidence or fact.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where in there
do i talk about Zambrano the person? His durability is on the field, it helps the team having a guy take the ball almost every time since 2003.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the point again.
Namecalling is the issue here, not what you said about Zambrano.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, I'm sorry. I really was trying to help.
But all I’m doing is making it worse…I’m staying out of it with him, unless he attacks me again.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know you were trying to help.
Some people just don’t get it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right al
I just don’t get why you dont see how my name calling is = to Worf’s disrespect of those who take the time to consider and debate his rants.
I will try and keep the “dolts” and “idiots” out next time so we can spare hurt feelings.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
Your OPENING LINE was
“You win idiot of the day”
Fine, fair enough. I can flame with the best of them.
But don’t pretend you were a Harvard professor here leading a lecture on quantum physics, pal.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You folks are all getting rediculous
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that'll settle things down.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly my point the other day
Day after day after day, it’s the same thing, move on, who cares who calls who what name, move on. It’s the internet people, they can’t hurt you.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, and your intent is good
But I don’t think this is going to work.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand,
But sadly it’s the same for the effort put forward by those of you trying to stop him. When yourself, or Worf or Al get in these peoples faces about the stuff they say, of course they will simply continue. Take the Blou stuff (which I actually find kind of funny, but a waste of space obviously) As long as people mock him he will continue. And sadly, nobody is going to read a threat from Al and stop what they are doing.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a "threat".
It was a request. And if people can’t be civil here, I ask them to go elsewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It becomes a threat
When people start talking about banning some people, that will make people push the envelope.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you truly don't understand what I'm saying.
And I wouldn’t go down the road you’re traveling.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see
that comes off as a threat against me, someone trying to push for everyone to leave it alone and talk baseball. I love to read the baseball talk.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're totally misunderstanding my position.
Why would I threaten you? That’s absurd.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're trying to do
You just need to be careful of the way you go about it. Saying to me “I wouldn’t go down the road I’m travelling” suggests something. Same and saying to people “the name callling WILL stop” suggests something. This incites anger because people want to use the site without someone they don’t know telling them what to do.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my site.
There are a few simple rules to follow, nothing too onerous. If people can’t follow them, they can go elsewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're being trolled...
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would appear so.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an incredibly annoying troll job too
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are kinda loose on the Bow Tie Tuesday thing
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a pain-in-the-butt
about making us tuck our shirts in.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shirts?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TMI TMI TMI
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may not be too onerous to you
But obviously to some of these other people they are. People should be stopped from discussing outright heinous acts, or real foul language, or sexual content, but come on, a little heated name calling. Everyone is an adult.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't . . . help . . . comment . . . too . . . much . . . irony
come on, a little heated name calling. Everyone is an adult.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a break,
when you argue with your friends everything stays on the straight and narrow all the time? That’s ludicrous.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I greet my friends by flipping the bird
And they respond in kind.
However, we actually know each other and realize nothing is meant by it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think of Jesus as a mischievous badger
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the edge ----->
it’s sooooo close!
My show opens this Friday 8/7. Come out and support a fellow Cubs fan?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer my name-calling
cold, with swiss on rye.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revenge IS a dish best served with swiss on rye
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revenge is best served with cake
And I like cake.
On that note, I must away …
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's real simple.
I have a rule here: no personal attacks on other posters. You don’t set the rules here. I do. If you don’t like them, you are free to leave.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can find a hundred posts on this website
With yourself going on and on about how you’re in charge. It’s silly Al. You right a great game recap, and post incredibly smart stuff, but get over yourself.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm write all the time!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You spin me write round baby rite round
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think "Holiday" by the Other Ones is underappreciated
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sorry,
I forgot, in such an adult world I should probably proof read a little closer. Holy moly. You guys have no ammunition against these guys who name call, you are all passive aggressive
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cha'DIch here....Worf may be many things
But he is NOT passive-aggressive.
In fact, he’s aggressive-aggressive.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that contradictory?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a hundred posts
…because people keep making him have to remind them.
It’s not like every recap starts with, “I am the almighty Al”
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although that would be cool if he did start his recaps like that
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be cool if they did, though, wouldn't it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Psst . . . scroll down to the lower left.)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is breaking the rule....
but you sir…are an asshole.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever notice how insults...
are much cooler when you put “sir” before them.
As in… “You sir, are a flaming glop of baboon vomit that has been left out in the sun for a week”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your problem?
I’m done with you. Follow the rules or get out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, it's that simple with you folks,
I’ve proved my point. I start a simple comment for everyone to move on with baseball, and it can so easily end up with me being asked to leave. But you guys are never in the wrong. I will make one point, I enjoy Shanghai Badger for what it’s worth, he always seems to have something interesting to add, and is on the ball.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, your simple comment
was to call everyone inclusive ridiculous. Only after that did you begin to elaborate.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone loves Badger
it really is irritating.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we could have back to back shows on Friday nights on ABC!
“Everyone Loves Badger” followed by “Everyone Hates Worf”.
Maybe we can bring back Perfect Strangers and Head of the Class for the second hour!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balky is up for it
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, of course he is.
Don’t be ridiculous.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only want this
if it’s Hesseman-era Head of the Class
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we have that redhead
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave Matt out of this
Poor guy is still hitting up a storm in AAA but can’t get a call up.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if he can't be in "The Show"
Why can’t he be in the show?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still mostly singles?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has MOSTLY singles
But Murton has power in AAA
at least. 9 homers and 20 doubles with slugging percentage of exactly .500
which is not that bad.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is a pretty decent slugging percentage.
I’ve always wished Matt the best. If he could demonstrate the ability to hit for power consistently, he may still have a shot as a left fielder somewhere.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
I must add, those kids were so damn smart, but they started the show as what, sophomores? And spent 5 more years there?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for following the rules
I don’t believe I have called anyone any names, I have used no foul language. I have merely made my points.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 10, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem was telling the moderator that he isn't the law of the land
When in fact, he is.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Al is in charge here?
Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus
by jkobus on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's the rumor from Deep Goat
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for...
…the ridiculous comment…your generally vague intimations that Al is on a power trip…and that none of us are smart enough to put together coherent arguments against your point, and we just resort to childish behavior.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I will save my spare change and get a passport and maybe someday, I’ll be able to visit you in the Land of Above it All.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, what?
It’s Al’s site. how he chooses to moderate it is his business.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go
With nothing to add but to act like some sorta bodyguard or speaker for Al. I knew it wouldn’t take long for you or Sue to step in.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Aug 10, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
presuming you're talking to me
I’m hardly in the minority here; I came late to the conversation. It’s Al’s site. He articulated the rule above.
He can administer it as he sees fit. I don’t understand why this continues to be a problem for you.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he can
But why do you continue to pile on or act as your some sorta speaker for him like he needs you to express his opinions/comments etc. He can do that just fine on his on. There are about 3 or 4 yall that tend to do that on a daily basis.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Aug 10, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I shouldn't render my opinion
because it’s already been stated, why are you allowed to render yours, when it’s already been stated?
Or better yet — if you don’t like it, don’t read it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing to add to this
Other than this has got to be the longest chain of replies EVER.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't like it
Why don’t you not read it. Better yet come up with your own opinions. Stop trying to be the voice of someone else’s daily.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol!
now that’s really funny. Suggesting that I don’t have my own opinions? I’ll bet I’ve disagreed with EVERYONE on this blog. That doesn’t change that it’s Al’s blog and it’s his to moderate as he chooses. If you don’t like the rule, there are plenty of other opportunities for you out in the big, wide intarwebz.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who
Said anything about the rule? I agree with the rule. What I don’t agree with is you. I will say it again, no one needs drewishdrewid going around BCB being their voice. No one needs you interpreting rules for that matter. Stand on your own merit, stop jumping on everyone elses and running with them.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Aug 10, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't you
complain about it some moar? That’ll get you friends!
I stand on my own merit. When I agree with someone, I say so. When I disagree, I say so. And you, Kettle, are BLACK.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
moar-more?
Stop the name calling right there.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Aug 10, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what name calling
Kettle?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I brought up the talk about banning people.
And it was a valid question. I’m not running around saying ‘Ban the Infidels’, but I asked a legitimate question.
When we all signed up we agreed to respect people on the boards and celebrate the positives and negatives of this team and sport, and if you can’t be generally courteous, you’re outside of the bounds of the agreement.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I've said I'm stopping
If he wants to direct comments/questions to me, I’ll respond. But I’ve given up trying to explain the rest.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that
had been your first misguided fanpost on the subject I wouldn’t have started out so harshly. But you seem to be a broken record on the subject.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...we are battling a moving target here
Now it’s because of PREVIOUS posts I’ve made.
And here’s the thing you aren’t getting.
NO ONE disagrees that Zambrano has been a great pitcher. No one would EVER say that.
The question I raise and continue to raise is whether he is great enough to be worth the trouble he brings.
Many times during that thread, I said “Sell high” which would indicate that I believe Zambrano has a high value. (For now)
Your stats can tell us he has been on the DL only four times, but our eyes tell us he’s been on twice this year.
Moreover, the stories that come out tell us he has learned little about taking care of himself, which does not bode well for future injuries.
But whatever. You first deny you started harshly, then you say you were justified.
I’ve made my point. Zambrano is a great pitcher who is tipping over into not worth it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your stats can tell us he has been on the DL only four times, but our eyes tell us he’s been on twice this year.
Um, wouldn’t the stats tell us that too?
I’ve made my point. Zambrano is a great pitcher who is tipping over into not worth it.
And his argument is that Z is so incredibly valuable that this is a patently ridiculous thing to say.
I’ll also add that you can’t really “sell high” when someone is already priced at or around market value.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you can.
If the person’s value is no greater than when their contract reflects market value, that is a “high.” Just because you won’t get a tremendous rake from it doesn’t mean it’s not the high water mark.
by Flatley on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
That you won’t get that player’s value back in terms of return (i.e. the players you get back), given that the acquiring team will have to pay for that player’s full value with dollars.
I’m confident the Cubs could trade Zambrano without eating money, but they wouldn’t get much back in terms of players. You’d basically be dumping him.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your flaming abilities.
If you were a superhero, you’d be El Fuego Worf.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that costume
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little big
But never let it be said I can’t mock myself
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm aware of what was written.
What I’m saying is, instead of taking it as a personal attack, why not just shrug your shoulders, say “whatever”, and move to the next one.
If you think someone is trolling, or “comment-baiting”, continuing to respond only fosters the concept that it’s acceptable.
I am one of many who feels that Wins is not a great comment to rate pitchers on, but the quality of those wins is. It’s a stat that’s harder to put a lot of weight in, because as long as the other 8 guys (and sometimes the pitcher) score 11 runs, the pitcher can give up 10 and still win the game.
That’s why if you’re going to be a stat-head, there are much better categories. And there’s a lot to be said for intangibles. Roll all those up into a ball, add some peanuts and crackerjacks, and that’s what we call baseball, baby.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Outstanding.
Rec’d.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've just finished reviewing that thread
and why Cal’s namecalling was unfortunate, you have certainly treated people just as poorly. If you get to stay, he gets to stay. You can’t have it both ways.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, boy
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew in the hizzy!
Now it’s a party!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where I used to work
Every once in a while, an e-mail would accidentally go out to a distribution list of thousands of people.
Then, invariably, dozens of people would reply to all….I’d sit back and watch the fun.
I think we’ve just reached a similar moment.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude... we're just getting started
Wreckard, sue, that deadred guy and a few others haven’t been heard from.
And then we’ll get other people defending us (or just you)
And then there will be a response.
So long as it stays in this thread, I don’t see the harm. I do have to get some work done at some point.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Just chiming in because of this.
Now, back to work.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What am I , chopped liver ?
I did not even make the cut there ? Hey I STARTED the whole thing by posting that it appeared Z had injured ( or reinjured himself while taking BP but of course since I take the middle view ( love Z but think he does let his emotions damage his game) I just don’t rate a mention of insane posters ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
Be more one sided next time, you’ll get more love.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I may, allow me to edit this for you:
Be more one-sided next time, you’ll get moreloveattention.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe blame Piniella for the whole thing
;-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't I do that already ?
I guess I took it for granted and assumed everyone knew that.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you have to do it all the time
Create a few fanposts.
Make sure the end is “words words words”
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I have to go clean out the fridge
trim my toenails and other useful activities but just so there is no one out there who may not know this. Lou is a bad manager who can’t properly use either the bullpen or the bench and the Cubs need to win despite him not because of him.
Good enough ?
Words, words words ….
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok for me.
Worf, please include Jessica in your future lists!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know where to put her
I have a big old “fer me — agin me” list.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you hesitate too long
It will be a technical balk
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I was just thinking this board
needed a good technical balk discussion
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Ok
You can put me on BOTH.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I’m not getting into it with anyone. I think that it’s ironic that those who argue the most for objectivity can’t be objective about Z, but whatever. Bad news from my sister last night trumps whatever minor issues people have with each-other here.
I find neither Cal nor Worf to be in the right. I take just as much offense at name-calling at other posters as I do to name-calling at players.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely hope everything is ok with your sister. I mean that.
However,
I think that it’s ironic that those who argue the most for objectivity can’t be objective about Z, but whatever.
Get over yourself.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need to get over myself
and you’re being deliberately combative. So if anyone brought the gasoline, it’s you.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am being combative for responding to a thinly-veiled shot at me?
I’m sorry that you feel that way, Drew. And I’ll leave it at that.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope your sister is OK
We’ll sort out the rest later. Take care.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Da Bard ring any bells?
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Aug 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really missed my point, didn't you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it appears so.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, I never took either side
I never refuted your statistics. I didn’t read the long posts you linked to because of your tone in the thread, but I never said the statistics weren’t legitimate.
In fact, at one point, I acknowledged that they were impressive.
Yet, you attacked me just as much as you’d attacked Worf. There really was no reason for it.
People should be able to disagree, even vehemently, without resorting to namecalling. You seem to think that someone else being irrational is justification for it – it’s not.
This place would be pretty boring if everyone had the exact same view on every topic. So would life. But treating others with civility isn’t that much to ask, is it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
I am not going to be “civil” to somebody who is open and proud and brash about ignoring actual facts in favor of their personal opinion and who further dismisses people who actually take time to use research to counter their rants. It’s ignorant and disrespectful plain and simple. Ignorance by itself isn’t a big deal but being proud of it drives me crazy.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not going to be civil to someone simply expressing their opinion..
… then I’d have to ask you to refrain from being here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like I said
if you want to express the opinion “Carlos Zambrano sucks and hurts the team” and other people take the time to show why that isn’t the case and you just dismiss it, without reading or considering the other evidence brought forth to the discussion then why are you posting in the first place?
Is that not disrespectful?
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but...
… calling people names and not being civil to them simply because you disagree, is something I don’t want here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but to me, Worf was equally uncivil yesterday. You don’t post an opinion on an open forum that exists for discussion and refuse to defend your position on anything other than your own thoughts.
And if you take a look at that thread it isn’t just me pointing that out, there seem to be alot of posters around there that are tired of his act.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in the post...
… there was enough blame to go around from both “sides”.
The personal attacks and namecalling, however, WILL stop.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still failing to see how
a poster with the opening line of “You win top idiot of the day” was posting something rational and well-reasoned.
I’m still failing to see how someone who resorts to “Internet dork” and “prick” within his first two responses — before a single stat is linked or posted — is presenting a coherent argument.
Al, I see what you’re doing. You’re trying to find the middle ground and move on.
But, please, DO NOT present this as an equal battle between rational and irrational.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said elsewhere in this thread...
… some people just don’t get it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, who is that directed at?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks... It can be confusing
I do appreciate what you’re trying to do here. I know I don’t make your job easy sometimes.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Understood, and if you can try harder to be nice, your contributions are welcome.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Spandex
More of a priviledge, not a right.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just noticed something else
Why does the Klingon have a Riker I.D. badge? That’s not going to fool anyone . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it IS Riker!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the disguise, then.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he killed Riker
and is using his badge as a trophy
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by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet it was over Troi
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I might have been more
rational but your post included these gems
Basically, Zambrano is Brett Favre without the durability and without the wins
At least Favre stayed out on the field.
Which was easily proven to be false. Which you so proudly ignored. Again, I’m not the only one who is apparently tired of you, go look back through that thread.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were the one doing the name calling, Cal
It’s a blog, for cripe’s sake. People are allowed to have opinions. If you can’t refute them without being irrattional, immature and rude, don’t expect to be taken seriously.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Worf's
original post was rational, mature and polite then we have different definitions of those words Shanghai.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I spurred you on to such rudeness?
I’m flattered I have such power.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, since this is directed to me, I'll respond
Worf’s OP was an opinion.
In fact, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of every fanpost (emphasis mine):
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief (unless it’s a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
He did not attack you. He criticized Carlos Zambrano, and you took it personally. If Worf had created a fanpost attacking you, and Al somehow missed it, I would comment within that fanpost that it was inappropriate for him to do so.
However, I don’t see where any of his original was “disrespectful”. You like Zambrano, he doesn’t. Isn’t that his right?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore
You had absolutely no basis to attack me.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
again, you need to read closer because I have said this several times already
The post itself was one thing. It was an ill thought out, easily disproven piece of writing.
The reaction and attitude of Worf and to a degree yourself to the people who took time and effort to show why it was so ill thought out is what I find disrespectful. You asked for evidence to show why Zambrano was a great pitcher. I go out and find it. That stuff doesn’t come from thin air, people took the time to do it and I took the time to track it down and attempt to explain it. You didn’t read it, Worf dismissed it. That IS rude, that IS disrespectful and I don’t regret getting upset over it.
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's your right
I don’t think it’s worth getting as upset as you did, but that’s my opinion. I did glance at it.
I told you yesterday – to imply that I’m stupid, then send me to a website with a long, poorly cited posting and expect me to sift through it to prove YOUR case . . . you really don’t understand why that’s not going to work, do you?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe the exchange went
Me- I can prove Zambrano is a great pitcher
You- some comment along the lines of “time’s up”
Me- Links
You- I’m not gonna read it. I also doubt the “source”
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll concede to being a smartass, because I am one
You gave a time frame and didn’t meet it. Yes, I was being a smartass.
I glanced at it and was longer than I was interested in reading after all the bluster and namecalling. I said I doubted the source because I didn’t see at that glance any reference to where the stats came from. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
further
I don’t doubt for a second you are smart enough to read that stuff and understand it. I know you are. The problem was you refused to do so after I took the time to present it. That bothers me
by CalCalender on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can accept that.
It was already down a bad road, and I let that influence how seriously I took the links. I’ll admit to that.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, in a way, proves my point.
Anyone who posts an argument, statistical or otherwise, is MUCH more likely to get others to listen to it if they’re civil and don’t resort to namecalling.
That’s a pretty simple concept, I’d think.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
original post was rational, mature and polite then we have different definitions of those words Shanghai.
So I replied talking about the nature of posts, and you replied
The post itself was one thing. It was an ill thought out, easily disproven piece of writing.
My head now hurts.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reaction and attitude of Worf and to a degree yourself to the people who took time and effort to show why it was so ill thought out is what I find disrespectful
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Just, wow.
Not only was that a lot of bombast in one little sanctimonious paragraph, you completely ignored the fact that you attacked me when I didn’t do what you claim is justification for attacking someone – and then you used that same claim again for attacking, when . . . wait for it . . . I didn’t do what you are attacking me for.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something about this...
…just caused my brain to shut down. :(
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smokey the Bear says:
Remember everybody, Badgers are fierce lil’ animals!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I retort, simply enough:
Qualitative data are types of facts, too. Just ask anybody in the fields of sociology, cultures, humanities, etc.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I despise Coors Field
I heard someone on ESPN Radio saying the Rockies have the biggest home-field advantage in the game. Not only do they play at altitude, and teams that come in struggle to adjust, but also because of their expansive outfield. Other teams come in and sometimes take bizarre routes to balls. Pitchers stuff doesn’t usually work the same was everywhere else, and no lead is safe.
I’ll be glad when the Cubs are done there tonight.
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Asthetically, it's a nice park.
But I get your point.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great point
I always think of the Twins when I think of awesome home field advantages, but Coors definitely ranks up there. I’d hate to be a breaking ball pitcher who’s turn in the rotation comes up there.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's going on with the Twins' new stadium?
Are they ever getting one? Actually, that scares me more for the teams that play the Vikings. Talk about home field.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It opens in 2010.
They jammed the stadium into a parking lot that is barely big enough for a 7-11. Don’t forget: NO ROOF! The Twins are gonna be paying for no roof come August, September, and October every damn year.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morneau had an interesting take on that
Chicago and Detroit don’t have much better April weather than the Twin Cities.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they do.
They are both warmer temperatures and closer to the Great Lakes than the Twin Cities. I compared (on BCB) the weather of a few northern cities about 6 months ago and Minnesota was much cooler.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, now I have to find it...
“Hold, please, Shanghai”.
(elevator music)
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm waiting anxiously
I may have misquoted – perhaps he said they didn’t have great weather, either.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m from Minnesota.
Some of the worst storms in Minnesota have come in March and April. The weather in Minny is significantly colder; just pulling info from Wikipedia, the Twin Cities/Milwaukee/Chicago average temperatures in March is 32/43/46, and in April, 47/54/58. It’s ridiculous to build a $522,000,000+ stadium without a roof, that renders it effectively useless in 5/12 months of the year when weather is at or below freezing temperatures. I believe only Seattle and Toronto are more north than the Twin Cities (perhaps Boston or NYC?), but neither are nearly as cold as Minnesota.
This is going to be a big deal when bad weather hits and teams have to make up games with the Twins. I see a log-jam of games come September every few years.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the new stadium built in such a way...
… that they could retrofit a retractable roof on it sometime in the future?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't read that anywhere in the Sota papers.
But I may be wrong.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Wikipedia (emphasis mine)
The stadium will be a 40,000 seat ballpark in the Warehouse District north of Downtown Minneapolis between 5th and 7th Streets, near the Target Center. The architect is Populous (formerly HOK Sport) with Bruce Miller as principal lead. The firm is responsible for other stadiums such as Oriole Park at Camden Yards in Baltimore, PNC Park in Pittsburgh, and AT&T Park in San Francisco. Mortenson Construction of Minneapolis is the construction firm building the stadium. Target Field will bear resemblance to these projects. The Twins have opted for a “neutral” park which favors neither hitters nor pitchers; the current Metrodome with its white teflon ceiling is often said to be a “hitter’s park”, favoring the offense. Fan amenities are anticipated to be designed after those of the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the last major sports venue built in the area, which opened in 2000. Although earlier proposals called for the park to be built with a retractable roof, the current version of the park has neither a roof nor provisions to install one.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they made a huge mistake, then.
They’ll draw OK next year, with the curiosity factor of a new park.
But then, if the Twins don’t contend every year, they are looking at very small crowds and multiple postponements in April and May, or playing in very cold conditions.
They may wind up having to play more day games than usual in April and May just so they’re not consistently playing with temps in the 30’s. The average low in Minneapolis doesn’t crack 40 degrees until May.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we don't have to go there.
How many muscle issues would we have then.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not very often, anyway. And it will be summer by then.
Unless MLB changes the interleague format.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With our bats in cold weather?
A three-game series would be three perfect games for the Twins.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now... while you're there...
Tell us what the September weather is usually like.
Are they going to be playing quadruple-headers in July?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like something that should be broadcasted on The Ocho.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Maybe what he meant is that games will be played in cold weather, but not necessarily “inclement”?
Not sure.
I do agree, though – I thought it was a mistake not to have a roof from the beginning.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget April or May
I spent my toddler years in central Wisconsin. There is a picture of me wearing a winter coat to watch the fireworks on July 4.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guesstimate that 5 of the last 7 Independence Day fireworks in the area have been below 80
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course... it was Wasau
Maybe they were holding fireworks for some reasn on March 1.
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by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I meant in this area
I live in Racine but usually go to Kenosha fireworks.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wuss
Oh wait. Sorry!
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, blame my Mom
I was 3. I probably would have been just as happy to be naked
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
When I was in kindergarten, my mom made me wear an itchy blue turtleneck that I hated. And lo and behold I just happened to wear it on picture day. Now, everytime I see that picture, I’m reminded how much I hated that sweater.
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
klingon visuals
are disturbing…..
where’s my eyebleach
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall talk...
…that early in the season, if bad weather was still truly there, they could still play some of the early games at the dome?
That seems like it would be incredibly unfair to all other teams, but, it’d be better than what happened when games were getting postponed due to snow a couple years ago. Or would it?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it would be better
Because of the travel issues.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what doesn't worry me about the Vikings?
Sage Rosenfels.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've known Sage for
many years and I hope he does well except when the Bears play against him.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 10, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I forgot:
Xcel Center – New in 2000; often cited as the best/one of the best rinks in NHL
Target Field – New in 2010
TCF Stadium – New in 2009
Which leaves the Vikings and Timberwolves with crappers. And the Vikings are, one way or another, going to get a new stadium in the near future. The state of sports is good in Minnesota.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Target Center isn't a crapper
It’s up to par with other arenas around the country. And the Metrodome is a great home field advantage for the Vikes, and it has actually turned a profit for the good people of MPLS.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we can disagree.
I think the Metrodome is a big pile of shit. And the Target Center is 20 years old now. It’s fine, I guess, but maybe I meant to say “The Timberwolves are crappers”.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Metrodome is a lousy place to see a baseball game.
Of course, I’m biased; I can’t stand the Twins. (Tigers fan.)
by Blue Heron on Aug 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins fans
think the Metrodome is a lousy place to see a ballgame. You’re not biased.
by Josh77 on Aug 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the taxpayers
in Minnesota are gong to be mighty poor in the years to come with the funding of all of those new facilities.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 10, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cue gene gene the dancing machine
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me, it's Marlins stadium, or Pro Player, or the Big Salsa
Or whatever the heck they call it.
I hate that place.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Minute Maid is a little off, too
That hill in CF may be a tribute, but it’s contrived – and some day someone’s going to get hurt.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm scared everytime there's a hit to straightaway center
It’s not often you see someone roll up hill, and it rarely results in something good.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Although I have to give props to Bourn for catching one against the Cubs while falling down.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, bottom line, are we all in agreement that Z needs to be traded?
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DFA'd!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we definitely need to trade him to Baltimore for Brian Roberts.
He can be their DH.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone hear of this Peavy guy?
I think he’d be a good fit
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sure would.
Any and all pitchers we can get on the DL.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers would like a word with you
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO! We're not doing Stonehenge tomorrow night!
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh... SOOOOO tired of this discussion on BCB
I’d rather read a discussion of people’s current physical ailments… anything…
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My back hurts a little, itches a bit.
Also, I my neck is sore. I possibly slept with the pillow a little funny under it last night.
In addition, I tend to walk on the outside of my feet, so every once in a while my left foot gets really sore at the weirdest times, like when I’m driving and not even standing on it.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had tendonitis for months
Ibuprophen helps a lot, but I don’t want to take it too much.
It really gets bad during work outs.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no feet
Not really, but I figured we were in a one-up game here.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose I could start a fanpost about my tendonitis
If nothing else, it would prompt someone to tell me that it really should be a fan shot.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case Ben....
here is some light reading for you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful!
I’m gunna just go over to that post and get lost in it for a few hours. See you guys later tonight.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool. I just recommended Sackman's comment that started that
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo... the comments are Closed! OUTRAGE!!!
I wanted to add trenchfoot, angina, scabies, and coxsackie to the list.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last!
:)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
looks like SWL got the honor
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the rec kinda counts, right?
Please?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since everyone supposedly likes you...
I guess so…
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, where were these people when I was in college?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously on BCB
That wasnt made yet, lrn2MartyMcFly
Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus
by jkobus on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Saturday
my friend and I watched all three BttF’s back to back to back so we could dissect the breakdown of their time travel theories. :/
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what did you conclude?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is with how their trickle down theory works. We think.
I don’t know, the High Life didn’t help out, but sometimes things trickle down really slowly, like when he’s fading out of existence.
Our biggest concerns were with the naming of the ravine in pt. 3. If you really want to know my theories about it, I can enlighten you, but I don’t want to make the board even longer than that argument about who is and who is not acting like a dbag already is.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, some parts of this thread have been pretty cordial and fun.
Making those parts longer isn’t a bad thing.
I didn’t think about the trickle-down. That does seem kind of like “sub-time”, doesn’t it? That time itself would need time to catch up to changes in the past.
I don’t have an issue with the ravine as much – Marty’s on a new timeline when he gets back. I suppose the “Eastwood” aspect of it would raise eyebrows later, but it could be viewed as by nothing more than a fun coincidence.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's the thing.
Even after the first movie—-he doesn’t make things right. The 1985 at the end of the movie isn’t the 1985 at the beginning—so he’s out of place.
He’s effectively replaced whatever Marty lived the first 17 years of life in that 1985—but he doesn’t know what happened. I think it would lead to intense psychological breakdown when you realized you don’t know things about childhood. For example, he tells his parents to take it easy when he sets the living room rug on fire. If they take it easy, who knows what chain of events occurs that would make him a different person. He’d seem crazy to the people around him when he didn’t know what was going on. Doesn’t know what his brother’s job is? His sister dates boys? His world is upside down.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swiss-cheese theory?
On Quantum Leap, Sam Beckett’s memory slowly fills back in. Because he and Al have a electrobiological link, Al remembers the way things were and the history after Sam changes it.
When Sam and Al changed places, Sam remembered after a while that he had changed his own life and was now married.
Maybe it takes Marty’s memory a while for the gaps to fill in after the changes are made once he returns to 1985.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then...
eventually Marty must forget things about his trips, no? He knocks down the pine tree, making twin pines mall into lone pine mall. He’d have grown up in that timeline knowing it as lone pine, but the Marty that we follow in the movie knew it as twin pines. Does he at some point get overwritten?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I think Al retains all the timelines
Which must be really confusing.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, here's the thing.
In 2, Biff takes the time machine back to 1955, and gives himself the almanac. That should wipe out the 2015 in the movie nearly immediately, as the appearance of Hill Valley in 1985 where Biff’s the king doesn’t reconcile to that future. But it doesn’t, because if it did, Doc and Marty would disappear from it as well.
So they’re obviously in some tertiary time-tunnel that isn’t immediately affected. What I’d like to know is, would they have begun to erase from existence like Marty and his family did in the first movie, if they had stayed there longer?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't replace yourselves in the timeline
every change is a new branch.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that reasoning
there are two Martys at the end of BttF 1. Original 1985 Marty, and new and improved 1985 Marty.
That, without a doubt, will cause problems.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
they’re in alternate universes. They can’t ever interact. Think 2009 Star Trek.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's still replacement.
If there’s only one Marty at the end of the first movie, and that’s the Marty that we’ve been following the whole movie, where is the marty that was growing up in the new and improved McFly household?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a marty
that gets replaced by this Marty. It’s branches. The old timeline? No more Marty. I think.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said you don't replace yourself
but then you said you replace yourself.
What I think you’re trying to say is that the new timeline gets the old marty, and the other marty vanishes?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
when you move out of one branch and into a new one, there is no you in the old one anymore.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Marty in the new branch
the Marty who is born to a more assertive George McFly, he is replaced? Does he just vanish?
Stupid great movies make my head hurt.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
When Spock-Alpha crosses the black-hole to the alternate universe, there is no Spock who replaces him. When Vulcan-Beta is destroyed, and Spock-Beta’s mother is killed in the alternate universe, they both continue to exist in the “original” universe.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to allow for nonreplacement in the original time frame.
I’m more concerned what happens to the one who starts in the new time frame.
Also, Spock-Alpha doesn’t return to new version of his current time frame, he stays back to rebuild Vulcan society.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that backwards
he stays to rebuild because he cannot go back.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a weak attempt at an explanation
They get to the alternate 1985 from the future in part 2, so that has had “time” to catch up.
The 2015 is in the future from when the events were changed, so it hasn’t gotten there yet.
I know, that’s bad . .. I"m trying.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2015 is nigh six years away
And I want my my flying car, hoverboard and World Series Championship.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No gas?
Or how about in 3, where Marty takes a time machine back to 1885 but is stuck because it has no gas. The entire movie is about how to propel the car without gas, yet there is another time machine in an old mine with gas in the tank.
by cliff on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an easy one, though
Marty’s already used that gas in 1955. That would create another paradox.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I buy that.
Gasoline was readily available in 1955.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but the DeLorean went back to 1885
With the gas that Doc had stored in there.
They didn’t buy gas in 1955 before Marty went back to 1885 – but if they use the gas in 1885, then they DO need to buy it – but the Marty that would be using it would have already arrived without doing so.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
We don’t know for sure they didn’t buy gas. But even if Marty uses the gas out of the Delorean in 1955, when he time travels back to 1885, that DeLorean should still have the gas in it, because it hasn’t been used yet. It will be used in the future.
More importantly, there should still be a Delorean in 1885, because at one point, there are two there. (Doc’s, and Marty’s, which was Doc’s)
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they explained in the movie why they didn't use the 1885 DeLorean
I don’t remember.
But if they do use that one to get to 1985, for example, how does Marty get from 1955 to 1885? I think part of the issue is that too many trips damaged the fabric of the time-space continum, and Doc didn’t want to risk it.
Of course, then he goes and builds the train . . ..
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the issue was related to the time circuits
and 1955 Doc had to fix it to go back in time. You’d think I’d remember. I just watched it.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a better answer
Q: In I885, when Marry tells Doc they’re out of gas; why don’t they just go to the Delgado Mine, dig up the DeLorean where Doc hid it and get the gas out of it?
A: There are two logical answers to this one… 1) The car mechanic’s answer: As anyone who has stored an automobile for a long period of time can tell you, you always drain all of the fluids out of the car before putting it into storage. Doc most certainly would have drained the gas out of the DeLorean if he was going to leave it hidden for 70 years. At the 1955 drive-in, Doc specifically says “I put gas in the tank” indicating that the DMC must have had an empty tank when they found it in the mine. 2) The time travel theory answer: Even if Doc had not drained the tank, he still would not have gone back into the mine for fear of creating a time paradox by accidentally damaging the DeLorean, the mine, or who knows what. After all, since Marty is now back in 1885, Doc’s plan obviously worked, and worked perfectly. But what if Doc were to go back into the mine and accidentally cause a cave-in that causes even more damage to the DeLorean? What happens to the future of that DeLorean, when it’s unearthed in 1955? And what might that do to Marty and the undamaged future DeLorean now in 1885? As an analogy, imagine a time traveler going back in time, finding himself as a child, and cutting off that child’s hand with a meat cleaver. What happens to the adult time-traveler’s hand? That would definitely risk a time paradox, and we know that Doc would never go out of his way to risk such a thing for fear of (in the worst case scenario) unraveling the fabric of the space-time continuum and destroying the entire universe.
http://www.bttf.com/film_faq.htm
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
for when he gets the hots for a schoolteacher.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't we all done stupid things over women?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've done stupid things that were women...
does that count?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Yes it does.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY! I WANT... I WANT!
from this Blog: BTTFblog.com
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if he drained the care before storing...
wouldn’t he not put that fuel in some container? Could he have not kept that container somewhere besides the mine?
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could.
But try explaining gasoline to people from 1885.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the gas?
Maybe Doc had the gas stored in a can but as he was walking back into town Zambano got thrown out of a game and thought the can was a Gatorade cooler and smashed it spilling all the gas. I think I remember that mentioned in the director’s commentary.
by cliff on Aug 10, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long is it
between putting the gas in teh container and when Marty shows up? Also, what’s he putting it IN? If it’s a wooden bucket, the gas will seep out.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Doc disposes of it, anyway
Because it is explosive. Trying to hide it for 70 years might not be advisable.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc kept the gas
I think Doc kept the gas for testing purposes, but Hendry traded it away to free up shelf space.
by cliff on Aug 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or gave it to the bullpen . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible?
I would like to go back in time and tell my younger self that bowl-cuts look stupid as hell.
Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus
by jkobus on Aug 10, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to tell him that your t-shirts are supposed to fit.
And that the girl he had a crush on in High School will admit years later to reciprocating.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the Geeks in the house
http://bttf.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, because I wasn't wasting enough time this morning.
Thanks, Ben . . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already been there a ton
Really bummed I missed out on all the time travel/BTTF talk too…I mean, just look at my avatar for Pete’s sake.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny - I never did look at your avatar before
I didn’t realize what it was in the small view.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love those movies entirely too much
but BTTF was the first movie I ever saw in a theater, and it’s still maybe my favorite movie of all time. That, or Shawshank.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely different genres, obviously
But both great.
I prefer BTTF, myself.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like BCB
The Cubs and BTTF…. what more could you want?
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could use some lunch
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the future?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Antonio’s is across the street. It doesn’t take long.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same with Wendy's drive thru
Too much of that lately
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
1. I am impressed by the collective wisdom in those comments. Good for you, BCB.
2. I want to cry—I miss Dreamy DeRo so much….
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do NOT want to know
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!
BCB went a whole day without a new -bulletin board announcement-fan post!
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see the stats
On oposing pitchers ejections and the regularity of such when facing a team who has the all around good guy, international baseball superstar, all star ambassador, triple crown flirt, Joe Buck’s Fabio and official catcher of the White house.. Albert Pujols.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;ylt=AjysF47Q9801u7l.Y5v_PoRvLYF?gid=290809123&prov=ap
Yes just a bit bitter. Cubs fan in Cards country my entire life.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure looked intentional
I would prefer to let the players handle it in most cases, but that could have gotten ugly.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they could just go Ozzie's way
…and flat out tell everyone that if his pitchers hit anyone else for the rest of the year, it was probably intentional. Jeez. I know what he’s trying to do, I just don’t know why he’s trying to do it.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You certainly
know where you stand with Ozzie.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He always seems to be
one step above general thuggery.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm married to a Cards fan
So I hear you
I was impressed, though, with Pujols playing paramedic the other day with that fan who fell on the field.
Of course, the bean-counters in St. Louis were probably horrified that he would accidentally hurt the guy further.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean his golden touch....
…doesn’t cure everyone’s ills instantaneously?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful!!
LOL
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm bitter too
But I’d love to have him at 1B when Lee leaves.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not a proponent of the:
Switch Rami to first and bring up Vitters camp?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me thinks Aramis Ramirez would be a horrible first baseman.
He has pulled leg, groin, and hammys before, and first includes waaaay too much stretching for him.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm torn on it.
If Vitters is going to be what he’s supposed to be, that’s how I see them getting him on field.
However, I can’t wait to see what the Cardinals try to do with Pujols. Obviously, you’d want to resign him, right? He’s saying all the right things now, but there are plenty of teams in the league who’ll pony up the cash for him. We’ll see how much he loves St. Louis soon.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm the Cardinals ownership
I do everything possible to retain him.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a good bar debate we had two nights ago:
Who’s contract is more important to the sport?
LeBron’s?
or
Pujols’?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron, no question
If MLB had marketed Pujols like they should have been doing all these years, then it would be different. But, they hitched their wagon to New York-Boston.
Much as I hate to admit it, St. Louis has been the premier NL franchise. It will survive Pujols and probably still sell out.
I’m not sure the Cavaliers would survive LeBron leaving. (No, they wouldn’t fold, but attendance would plummet)
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question was to the sport, though.
Not to the respective current team. They both should be contracts that help reshape how people are paid in each league.
I think he’s looking more for “which one is going to have the most impact league-wide.”
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on the marketing
Baseball really does a poor job of marketing its stars.
They’ve gotten better, but still not good. I seem to remember reading that D-Lee offered to help market it to inner cities and was turned down – that’s ridiculous if true.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols in Boston or NY?
Yikes. The exposure would be incredible. Probably get his own network..
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PBS!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be able to turn ESPN on...
EVER. Hey, waitaminnit, not a bad idea.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great question.
That I want to answer, but I’m just not a big enough basketball fan. It’s fun to watch sometimes, but I can’t care about it the way i do football or baseball.
I don’t envy Pujols the task of landing what will be one of the biggest contracts ever (I’m assuming), and then having to keep up the ridiculous rate of production he has so far.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus... his shoulder
There will come a time when that thing is held together with Scotch tape.
Couple of high or wide throws and he’s out.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
No doubt I admire his abilities
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was young
(sorry.. phone call) My dad through his employer would take us on the Cubs/Cards bus trip every summer. Three greyhounds full of fans from both sides. Crazy Crazy Crazy.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the players handle it
indeed.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 10, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: "namecalling on this site will stop"
Does that mean I can’t call Aaron Miles names?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Aug 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we can ALL agree it's OK to do that
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Aaron Miles doesn't post here...
… or at least, I don’t think he does…
yes, it’s OK.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does...
…he probably cries himself to sleep.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With $4 million as a pillow?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
his pillow is filled with my broken hopes and dreams for a hyperproductive Second Baseman.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken hopes and dreams
As soft as swan’s down!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Miles DOES post here
I wish he’d say so. I would compliment his bravery.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His bravery...
…for stepping onto baseball fields knowing that he probably shouldn’t be out there?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gained a lot of respect for Danny Jackson . . .
for showing up at the 1992 Cub Convention
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need him to post here!
Like 500 comments a day… so he misses the team bus to the ballpark.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or get's injured from typing too much.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging Carlos Zambrano... paging Carlos Zambrano...
My show opens this Friday 8/7. Come out and support a fellow Cubs fan?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How far can I take it?
Because I know a few really bad words in English and a lot in Spanish.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm always up for learning words in other languages
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll start with:
“Pinche puto ratonero de cagada,” a very elegant way to call your typical small, squirrely Mexi-soccer player. Applies to the aforementioned.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[<Badger hurredly grabs a noteboook]
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is actually a problem with your policies around here Al.
Since Aaron Miles doesn’t post here…
… or at least, I don’t think he does…
yes, it’s OK.
A lot of what you’re lopping into “stats guys” like myself get so indignant about is the reprehensible personal attacks against players who aren’t around to defend themselves. At least when I point out that Worf is a worthless poster, he’s around to at least attempt to defend himself.
I think when someone like myself or CalCalendar (who is one of the best posters around here and it would result in serious brain drain if you banned him) sees a poster making a personal attack against a player we see it as fair game to turn the tables and make a personal attack against that poster.
In this regard, this season has made me extremely ashamed to be associated with Cubs fans. So many fans are obsessed with cutting certain players down to size (Bradley, Z) and putting others on a holy pedestal of hugs and puppies (Derosa) that objectivity goes out the window and it makes you wonder what they’re really cheering for. I last out at that mentality because I find it indefensibly stupid.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your argument is flawed.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which part?
Being unpaid defenders of highly compensated, total strangers who are unaware of the comments on this site?
Or, thinking that two “wrongs” make a right?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're here to discuss and debate our opinions related to the Cubs and baseball.
Sometimes my opinion of a player is based on his recent performance, say…the last 3 games. This is no different from the way most of us feel about a family member. If your spouse were to really just screw up consistently for 3 days you may tend to not have the best attitude toward them. You may even , gasp, speak ill of them around others without their knowledge.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um . . . I was agreeing with you.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shut up. I'm right!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, sir, are no mambochicken.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy jumping fucking shitballs
I haven’t posted here in months, and I’m still on the hive mind that is BCB. My last post was literally last October after that clusterfuck of a series against the Dodgers. This is hilarious to me. And sad.
Anyway, yes… here’s how it breaks down. Some of you (I’m looking at you, Worf, and countless other denizens of this enclave of idiocy) make stupid claims. You get called on it by one of a handful of intelligent, thoughtful commenters, who take your claim and decimate it with factual information. You stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it doesn’t exist, and whine about your right to your opinion.
No. Your opinion is fucking stupid and wrong. Not all opinions deserve respect or warrant anything other than outright contempt. Bashing the best, most-durable Cubs pitcher in years for no objective reason is ridiculous, and anyone who agrees with the bashing is a fucking moron. Those who sit back and ignore it, or those who think that everyone has a right to their opinion (and furthermore to EXPRESS this opinion on an open forum) are spineless, cowardly enablers.
CalCalendar and Wreckard are 100% right. And Worf, your posts are consistently some of the dumbest I have ever seen in my life. I ran into a few nuggets of wisdom from you when looking back at my old posts… this one, following the Dodgers series, was particularly succinct and stupid: “My vision of a best team actually plays like it in a five-game series.” Goddamn, you are an idiot.
I commend those few of you who seek to educate the ignorant masses, but I think you should give up. Most of the people that are on this board don’t want to learn; they would rather stick to their uninformed opinions, and no amount of statistical analysis or factual information will sway them. They are the young-earth creationists of the fucking baseball world. Idiots, the whole lot of them, and refuse to learn anything. Such overwhelming, zealous, committed stupidity is pretty amazing – on that, I will give them their just due.
In summation, most of you are unthinking, emotional, ignorant morons. How fitting that Al, a complete tool and wanker of the highest order, is your fearless leader. You make me ashamed to be a Cubs fan and ashamed to be a human being, because I have to be associated with you on some level. My 6-month-old niece is at the same intellectual level as all of you fools, and I’m guessing she’ll surpass you in short order. I thank Jeebus for that.
You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.
by mambochicken23 on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The mambochicken reference is a running joke because MBDNIU thought three of us were you
As far as the rest of your post goes, you really need to find a better outlet for your anger.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually not angry at all.
I get a hearty laugh at all you dopes.
You look like you'd fit in the trunk of my car.
by mambochicken23 on Aug 11, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok; good.
Consider it a tribute from your loyal dopes, then.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea. I usually screw up for WEEKS at a time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, thinking that two "wrongs" make a right?
The level of respect you show others dictates the level of respect you deserve.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And In the end...
the love you take is equal to the love….you make.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So love the one you're with
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫ Her majesty's a pretty nice girl but she doesn't have a thing to say ♪♫
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... is that true?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 10, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Sir Paul it is.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a beautiful world it would be if everyone always responded "in kind" to perceived slights
And it’s a funny statement coming from someone who insults someone else in most of his comments.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but that is the world we live in.
People who act like jerks get treated like jerks.
And it’s a funny statement coming from someone who insults someone else in most of his comments.
I’m extremely respectful to the posters around here who deserve it.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rule here is...
… to be respectful to everyone. If you can’t follow that really simple rule, go elsewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't think I follow that rule sufficiently then say so.
I’m not nearly as insulting as SB would make me sound.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think, in general, you do follow that rule.
I’m just saying you can’t decide here who “deserves” or doesn’t.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to disagree, Al
I know you can’t read every comment, but this has been a recurring theme. I think Wreckard is knowledgeable about baseball and the Cubs, but he has shown a pattern of being unable to disagree without being insulting. These two discussions are filled with examples of it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I read this and thought maybe I was being unfair.
Maybe I still am. But after I read it, I read the new comments in the “other thread”, and 2/3 of the comments that you added there after you posted this were insulting to the people that you responded to.
What I meant was, similar to what Beer Cub is saying, why can’t you disagree without telling the person that you agree with that they are stupid, nuts, ignorant, etc.?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not being unfair -
You’re being thin-skinned.
If you honestly find the statement “You people are nuts,” to be insulting or demeaning to the point where think it violates site policy, I’m really not sure what to tell you.
by Wreckard on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I'll back off
This isn’t going anywhere, and maybe I’ve overreacted to things you’ve said in the past.
Whether I have or not, this is taking the fun out of it. When that happens, it’s not worth visiting the board, since we’re here to talk about a game in the first place.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I don't live in the same world as you
What a miserable place yours must be.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your world more closely mirrors the one I live in.
The one where respect has to be earned, but you always start with some manners.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds familiar.
If people in my world always responded to perceived slights in kind, they’d be pretty busy. Come to think of it, it’s unlikely that my siblings or I would have survived to adulthood if our parents thought that way.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My world is pretty awesome actually.
It’s filled with kind, respectful, intelligent people who don’t need to run around reminding people of their piety.
by Wreckard on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree wholly with this comment.
Personal attacks on players bother me at least as much as personal attacks on posters.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blind accusations bother me almost as much,
like steroid talk and what not. I hate to keep trotting out my MMA fandom, but one of the websites/forums I go is heavily into avoiding/preventing fighter bashing. It helps to keep things intelligent and less hostile.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oxymoron?
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well
BLou likes to hit the trifecta. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not name calling....it's creative nomenclature.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i don't want samardjiza to start wednesday
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whom do you want to start instead? They don't have many options, do they?
I’m actually for this; he might pleasantly surprise you.
by Blue Heron on Aug 10, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade 4 halliday
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not going anywhere at present; Toronto wants too much for him.
by Blue Heron on Aug 10, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade scales miles heilman for him
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't make much of a frankenplayer with that group, still need parts that can throw and hit.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
throwing and hitting is overrated
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S HAPPENING????!!!!?!?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally read through that Z post
I never understood how people let baseball discussions turn into personal attacks. If someone doesnt agree with your stats, try a different stat, if nothing still, then you are not going to change their mind, get over it and move on to something else.
Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus
by jkobus on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No kidding.
And it doesn’t matter how “right” you may think that you are, personal attacks or name calling will not help your “cause”, especially for those with such self righteous causes. People tend to stop listening…Oh wait, it can be proven to me by you that I am an idiot? Why didn’t you say so in the first place—let’s be friends now that I know that you are my superior…
by DudeVf11 on Aug 10, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD
This is not the same blog that I joined a year ago. You know why? Because, last year there was much respect for the opinions of others. This year, I will probably get flamed for calling this a blog instead of whatever it is you all wanna call it. That will, in turn, lead to a completely irrelevent conversation full of all this grade-school type of arguing that is worse to read than a freaking obituary.
I find it marginally entertaining that you, Al, say that the name calling WILL stop, yet up above “SantosWoodenLegs” saying something like “You sir, are an a**hole.” in response to someone else, yet he gets applause from his band of nitwits on here. Kinda funny to me.
Like I posted earlier last week there is the type of mentality around here where if you arent with me you’re against me, and I’ve seen enough. Why can’t we all agree to talk about the Cubs? You know that’s what we all inevitably want, yet it rarely happens. Good Lord, I’m done. Peace out.
PS let the flaming begin.
by kodypuckett23 on Aug 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I respect this opinion.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I like the opinion.
However, I chuckled to myself because that line is from one of my favorite movies of all time.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I don’t actually think that there was more respect last year. The user base was smaller, but there were a LOT of disrespectful comments.
What may have changed is the “I know more about baseball then you do” meme, but only in proportion.
Al could appoint game thread moderators who could shut people down quickly. It’s his choice to do so or to not.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hilarious.
I’ve been hearing “BCB was so much better last year!” for the last three years – i.e., since I joined.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what WAS better last year?
The Cubs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey-O!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess there's no getting around that.
But, c’mon, our boys can still split this series tonight and come home with a .500 road trip.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
is what we need to be discussing and I agree, lets launch a few outta Coors tonight.
by kodypuckett23 on Aug 10, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will launch back a few Coors Lights tonight.
Does that count?
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd count it
considering I’ve launched way too many of those back in the past couple days. Yesterday sucked
by kodypuckett23 on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, you could've drank 17 of those yesterday...
…and not gotten drunk.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure someone could come up with a theorum.
Something along the lines of Civility on BCB is directly proportional to the success of the Cubs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just caught up to this and feel the need to rec
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet he gets applause from his band of nitwits on here.
There are cliques. There are posters that are clearly well known. And they can get away with a lot more than the unknowns. Other posters won’t harp on them as much, and to an extent, neither will Al.
by Arbusto on Aug 10, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respect is earned.
And frankly, posters that have been here for a long time or are well known are such because they respect others and in turn, receive the same treatment.
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by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Those posters have gotten to know each other more. It’s just the fact SWL can call someone an asshole and get applause. But if that someone called SWL an asshole he’d get shouted down.
I’m not talking about quality of fanposts, or comments for discussions. I’m talking in the context of name-calling/trolling/flaming.
by Arbusto on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please.....
you obviously haven’t been paying attention around here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quorum Time!
I vote to ban SWL from BCB, and all will be fixed. Second?
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by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXPELLIARMUS!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics, Arguments, and Name-Calling
Here’s how I look at it:
It’s a lot easier to argue when you don’t use statistics. And I mean argue. Because you’re just trying to push your beliefs and assumptions on someone else rather than step back and find an objective truth.
And sure, you can disagree on which statistics are useful. But if you’re going to use any stats in your argument, you will need to be able to defend why your statistics are relevant and theirs aren’t. Otherwise you’re just cherry-picking data to fit your opinion.
Finally,
If you dismiss the evidence your opponent supplies without addressing it, you’ve lost the argument.
If you declare yourself the winner of the argument, you’ve lost the argument.
And if you resort to name-calling, no matter who started it, you’ve lost the argument.
by redward on Aug 10, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, with 53 games left
How many starts will Z get and what will his numbers be?
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Aug 10, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching or hitting?
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by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want the Cubs
to win tonight and the next night and the next night and so on and so on.
I hope Z comesback and goes 6-1 the rest of season.
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by Grockcubs on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to start another argument
on the subject and because it’s actually something we should be talking about, anyone else (besides Len Kasper) notice that Milton Bradley’s OBP is up above .400 today?
That’s not to say he hasn’t been disappointing, his slugging percentage should be a lot higher than .402. But he’s been a productive ballplayer the past month.
by Josh77 on Aug 10, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree that this is great news.
For a team, however, that doesn’t score runs like it did last year, we really need great run and/or RBI production out of our corner outfielders, which we aren’t really getting. Adam Dunn does this, for instance.
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by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Milton continues to hit the way he has of late
Could you see a scenario in which he returns to the 5th spot in the order? If Lou was willing to slide Fukudome in there, I could see him moving a red-hot Milton there in the future.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Hot as in....getting on base via things other than walks and singles?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's more to batting than BB & 1B?
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by dtpollitt on Aug 10, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he's in the two hole consistently
he could learn a solid sac bunt.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He bunted the other day just fine.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley's never been
a big HR guy. His numbers last season in Texas were mostly a ballpark creation.
But he should be hitting more doubles.
by Josh77 on Aug 10, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley should be helping him maintain that facade then.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was signed for his ability to get on base and bleed pitch counts
His Slg% was pedestrian away from Arlington last year, people shouldn’t have been expecting huge power numbers.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they wanted that they would have put him in the leadoff/2hole a long time ago
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
…I seem to recall him being sold to us as our new left-handed power bat.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power as in a lot of doubles, yeah he should be hitting more 2Bs
He wasn’t going to translate into a HR hitter, but I think considering how much crap Cubs fans and the media gave him from the moment he was signed, Bradley has been well worth his contract.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we're giving him crap....
…because of how he was sold to us. I wouldn’t say that makes him well worth his contract. Shave a few million or a year off it, and I’m much, much happier with his contract.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you're getting angry at the wrong guy
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 10, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only partially
Yes, I’m upset that Hendry signed the deal, but I’m also upset that until recently, Bradley was not playing at his potential.
He seems to have taken strides towards correcting this, and as such, I’m not hating on him.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must be angry with many Cubs then
Not many are worth the large contracts.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"worth"
is a highly subjective judgment anyway.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, a player is "worth"
whatever a team is willing to pay them.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 10, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they play within a general level
I’m ok with it. I’m not going to get mad at the player for accepting all the money someone’s willing to give him, but if they’re just terrible, then yes, I’m angry about it.
My problem is that teams don’t recognize sunk cost. So you owe your left fielder who can’t lay off the slider a bajillion dollars. Is there someone who can hit instead? Yes? THEN PLAY HIM.
I don’t think most fans will care that someone who is owed a bunch of money sat instead of playing if they win a world series. Managements across all of the pro sports always insist on playing the paid, and it’s often to the detriment of their team.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just pointing out that we have a few that don't earn their contracts.
At least with Bradley he acknowledged that he wasn’t “earning” his keep when he struggled earlier this year. I like that honesty, you don’t see it too often. More often players like to play for a contract and take the money and run.
I agree with your sentiment about managers playing someone because of the hefty contracts. I’d like to see more playing of the hot hand.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially...
…in the playoffs. Once you get there, you’ve gotta do anything and everything. And that’s something i’ve definitely seen missing the last two Octobers.
by KDoggers on Aug 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more along the lines of his double yesterday.
If those become more plentiful and Milton begins driving the ball, does Lou dare to put him in RBI situations and risk him pressing?
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by Trey2317 on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want Fukudome back in the leadoff spot. What do others think?
by Blue Heron on Aug 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dome at leadoff...
…and wish Lou would leave him there. And another great thing about Bradley hitting second is that he’s a switch hitter, so if an opposing manager brings in a LH reliever later in the game, he can just turn around and bat righty. Thus, there would never be two lefties in a row at the top of the lineup.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Bradley has some speed on the basepaths making him even better
suited for a top of the order role.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he sees a sh*tload of pitches
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by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hed probably lose a leg if he tried to steal a base though
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not thinking stealing, but occasionally beating the throw on a sacrifice
and beating out that play who cannot be named that leads to multiple outs.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 10, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dome leadoff with Bradley back in the 5 spot,
That was working pretty good
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome leading off, Bradley batting 2nd, Theriot 8th.
That works for me.
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by Al on Aug 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this.
put Soto or Fontenot 5th.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you put Miles?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out to pasture.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can be
Lou’s special stool.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on a shelf in a closet
in the basement so he doesn’t tarnish his reputation anymore
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when he turns 11, he can go to wizarding school.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time
for the typical pottergasm I take it?
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boredumb does that to you.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles....away
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
toronto
cuz we traded him for aaron hill
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fontenot batting 5th?
ugh
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not my favorite
Never mind. Bat Baker 5th, and Soto 5th on days Fonty is in, have Fonty bat 7th.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Soriano?
I think I’d go:
Dome
Bradley
DLee
Aramis (assuming he’s not DL’d again for shoulder)
Soriano
Fontenot/Baker
Soto
Theriot
Pitcher
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
have someone get on base before Soriano , but after Rami clears them.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious,
What is your dream lineup right now, Drew?
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lemme guess
Big Z
Big Z
Big Z
Big Z
Big Z
Big Z
Big Z
Theriot
Big Z
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PV
PV
PV
PV
PV
PV
PV
Theriot
PV
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but seriously
Dome
Bradley
Lee
Rami
Soto
Sori
Fonty/Baker
Theriot
something like that. But I recognize that lineup differences aren’t great.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's actually a good lineup....
but it needs more Roberts
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and more
LIND
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, well.
In a perfect world, Lind not only bats every spot and plays every position, he also calls the game as umpire AND color man.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seams like consensus around here,
I guess I’m away from the herd on this one, but I don’t mind that.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's nothing wrong with bradley
in the 5 spot, gets someone on base for Soriano…. but I like seeing bradley at 2 because it seems to me that he sees a lot of pitches, thereby giving Dome a feel for the pitcher’s rhythm and to give the batters behind him a look at more pitches.
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and hes actually hitting in the 2 hole
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was hitting before that.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really...he was WALKING....
Batting 5th: 121 PA 20H 21BB
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no not really
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at numbers, sure.
But on this one, I am on Lou’s side, I think you need a LH to break up the RHs. And it stretches out the lineup too, instead of just being good in certain sections in the lineup. It woud help if we can also put some runs on the board from lower lineup too.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess what I am trying to say is
6 of one, a half dozen of the other.
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you one of the lineup means little then?
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you mean LRLR stuff,
yeah, I myself think that you construct it to your team’s abilities…. Look at Harvey’s Wallbangers (late 70 early 80 Brewers) or the Cardinals of the mid 80’s they constructed their lineups to their teams abilities.
Ideally, imo you put someone who gets on base first, then someone who sees a lot of pitches next, then your best hitters and by that I guess ISO hitters in the 3-4-5 spots.
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley or Dome should leadoff the rest of the year
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
as long as you still want Bradley in the lineup at all. :)
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be stupid to not want him in the lineup...
to get on base in front of Lee, RamFox, & Soriano.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 10, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, there are some on this site that think
that it would be the same to pick the lineup out of the hat and it would be the same. I was just wondering if you were one of them. But you are on paper, for the textbook of the positions in the lineup.
That’s where my I veer away as stated. Especially with better pitchers they can go from righty to righty and get into a groove facing the same kind of hitters. Plus, it is not that far from reality that Bradley can hit in one of the RBI positions of the lineup.(just not so far this year.)
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
but in a perfect world…. (I know this isn’t though) even if you have multiple RH hitters in a row, they shouldn’t be susceptible to the same weaknesses (I.E. breaking balls in the dirt, fastballs up and in) so it should be harder for a pitcher to get into a groove.
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if you do have the same type of hitter
in a row…. imo that’s just stupid lineup management.
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe thats our problem then
we have righties with the same troublespots.
But if you change his approach, even a little, doesn’t that mean more likelihood of making a mistake?
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no....
because if you have a RH who is weak on low and away breaking pitches followed by a LH who can’t pull the trigger on low and in breaking pitches, you are still setting up the pitcher with the ability to get into a groove as you will
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
the pitcher must protect against a power zone. If he is comfortable with the ball going away from a RH, he must be careful with the ball going toward a LH.
And it does change the pitchers sight line.
We’re getting at some theoretical stuff here.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like I said...
six of one, a half dozen of the other.
go Cubs
by tootle on Aug 10, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but different hitters
can have a different power zone. For instance, in the above example I gave, the RHB’s power zone would be inside half of the plate, and the LHB’s power zone would be the outer half.
by tootle on Aug 11, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm in the minority but
I agree with Lou that you need a LH to break up the righties in the middle. Since Dome is doing good leadoff, that leaves Bradley.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could have bradders lead off theriot bat second and fukman bat 5th
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I would prefer Dome in leadoff
at least Bradley had a history of being a producer.
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by KaliCub on Aug 10, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot would probably be the bset #8 hitter in the league
"bwahahahahahahaha!!!"-joeschmitt (8/07/09)
by Mapmaker on Aug 10, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost afraid to say this out loud (not that I am anyway)...
…but Milton’s been remarkably quiet, productive and (gulp) healthy.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet?
I guess my dislike for his persona blinds me, but his rage is still very evident and snapped bats twice this last weekend.
Otherwise, no complaints. Carry on.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bat snapping
is Milton Bradley’s “quiet voice.” :-)
by Josh77 on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh right...forgot about that.
Well, at least that was an inanimate object (and not an umpire).
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he wanted to hurt yesterdays 2b ump
id have no problem with that
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs