Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Padres, Monday 8/17, 9:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Aug 17, 2009 11:45 PM CDT
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fail.
"Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me." -Dusty Baker on OBP
Is the Teflon...
….starting to wear off?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Kevin Gregg, there's not enough hate in this world.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Can I kick him in the nuts?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
well that's just great.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Kevin Gregg, You're a stupid asshole.
why are we still running Gregg out there? someone please remind me.
The Same Old Reason
We Run Miles and Fontenot out there.
by garyscottrules on Aug 17, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
6 out...
Goodbye 2009.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 17, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
yep, game 1 of a tough road trip. Very disappointing and sad loss
I hope not that this is the final nail on the 2009 coffin
Well ...
No way to spin that.
What an awful, awful loss.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 17, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
If Bruce is downtrodden, well...
…it’s a bad loss.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Some of us have been saying that
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
DFA Kevin Gregg
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
THIS THREAD IS FILLED WITH THE TEARS OF EMPTY HOPES AND SADNESS
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 17, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
I was being facetious
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 17, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He blew
his fair share of saves, too, and he’s not good at all this season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 17, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
true, but at least he showed some heart out there. Gregg doesn’t look like he gives a shit if they win or lose.
by lumberjack7 on Aug 18, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Gregg cares
perhaps too much.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't give a rat's ass what Gregg is feeling right now
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Who cares?
Wait until next year.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I waited for you to post. Just something to make me at least think that the remaining 46 are worth talking about
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
In this for the long haul
I’m no bandwagon fan. I’m just a very realistic one.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
If you aren't embarrassed for these guys, you aren't paying attention.
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Is it difficult to interpret...
“how many games back are we in the WC?”
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
We are deep in the W.C.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
W.C. = European abbreviation for water closet
But 4 games down on the wild card does sound doable, if this team finally gets their act together.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
throw Gregg and Miles in the bottom of the fucking ocean
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
LOOK AT THIS EVERYBODY:
GREGG’S STATLINE: 2 BB 2 H 4 R 4 ER 1 HR 0.2 IP
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That's redonkulous
Just outstanding.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 17, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
an expensive joke
that’s all this team is
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/11/986167/come-here-and-vent
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 17, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
I seem to remember a certain lefty that I hated more
He started for the Cubs for a little while…. I can’t remember his name off the top of my head but he had like a 10 ERA
by IowaCubsWS09 on Aug 18, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think
even the staunchest of Cubs hopeful can see anything positive after tonight’s game
Ted Lilly...
returning from the DL with 6 shutout innings. Marmol with zero walks.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
No one was injured
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
dont jinx it...
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Might as well...
Just shelf Ramirez and have him get the shoulder surgery ASAP so he’ll be ready for ST next year.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Where ever you send Gregg...
… I’ll be glad to send Scott Linebrink as well.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Exactly!
Linebrink was staked to a 3 run lead. Gets 2 outs then walks the next two batters then serves up a mamoth blast, nearly to the concourse in RF.
Sometimes these games work out exactly as us pessimists think it will.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
IIRC
The Sox have Linebrink under contract another year on the other hand I believe Gregg is gone.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
what about one run scored?
the offense is also at fault.
its a closers fucking job to save leads
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
1 run off Kevin Correra? I don't even know how to spell his name. All I know is that he sucks and the Cubs scored 1 runnnnnnnnnnn
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
ok how many do you think would have scored? more than 4?
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
As much as I hate Gregg right now...
We scored 1 freakin’ run. More blown scoring opportunities, more suck of Miles and Fontenot at the plate, Geo is really bad right now…
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions
Could Geo just not be doing steroids anymore?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
He's just overweight and out of shape...
He let the ROY go to his head, and didn’t put in the work this offseason.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
we should all send Aaron Miles steriods
he’ll play a bit better until he gets suspended
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'd even find a way to screw that up
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The aggravating part
is that the Padres’ most feared hitter, Gonzalez, was an easy out.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions
No...
It was walking David Freaking Eckstein.
Bingo
Eckstein couldn’t have hit a HR tonight with two swings.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
but walking eckstein is obviously the most unacceptable part of all of this…he’s the padres’ own aaron miles
but aaron miles doesn't even get walks
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Well, quite true
You can’t walk someone, particularly him, in that situation. Serve up the ball on a tee if you must.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Gregg is the latest in a line of shitty closer pickups
Dave Smith, Mel Rojas, Latroy Hawkins… all garbage.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions
And our hot hand the Muffin Man
sat on the freakin’ bench.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
yeah I'm gald we saved him, how many did the craptastic double play duo leave on base today?
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
That's why I remarked earlier that Lou looked like he wanted these kids off his lawn
He seriously looked like he didn’t have a clue.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
lol i liked how gregg went off the field and went straight down the tunnel. You suck so much.
COOL BEANS!
No, he's pretty good.
Good at fucking sucking.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
He and Ryan Braun should go bowling.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
hi-o
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Enough
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
pretty stupid comment.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Oh look...
Heath Bell gets the win, after screwing up yesterday to the Cards.
STICK A FORK IN THIS TEAM. THEY ARE DONE.
A lot has to be done to make this team a contender in 2010
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Well, for one thing,
the current players need to play up to their career averages.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of them need to be given the opportunity to do it
elsewhere.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
And replaced
by whom? If you’re going to say “Get rid of a lot of them,” you’d better have some alternatives.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Fuld, Fox, Scales, Blanco, Guzman, Stevens, etc.
I don’t care if the 2010 team doesn’t win the division, I don’t want these overpaid assholes back at Wrigley stealing money.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah!
People who make a lot of money suck! They should never fail!
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
If you think Bradley, Soriano, Miles, Gregg, etc.
have even come close to performing at an acceptable MLB level — regardless of their inflated income — then you obviously have shit for brains.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll chalk this up to being upset
but you make about as much sense as my 3-year-old nephew right now.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
just don’t refute anything I said.
by ElHijoDelRonSanto on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I refute all of it
Upon further reflection, my nephew might make MORE sense.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I think my nephew has a better slider.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Jealousy is a foul stench, to be sure.
Outside of Miles, they have indeed played to “acceptable levels.” Not quite to career norms, but certainly not horrific. And in all fairness, they didn’t get to choose their respective salaries.
I appreciate your insult though, misguided as it may be.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
Gregg will be gone and I suspect Miles will be as well
But Soriano and Bradley are here to stay so get used to it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano and Bradley aren't even the biggest problems this year
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Well, there's a lot of blame to go around
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Screw the current players!
Especially Milton Bradley, he’s a piece of shit
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Bad contracts and no money...
Equal not many significant changes.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Hendry's contracts absolutely tie the next GM's hands.
They have to eat a TON of contracts this offseason. Starting with Soriano. It may take a year of sucking to work this through the system.
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No, not done
But this certainly doesn’t help matters.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take he is on my fantasy team
trust me I would rather not have it, but I’ll take anything to help me sleep tonight
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
padres wanted vitters in a package for bell
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Would have been worth it
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
If we'd been willing to trade prospects in the past, we'd be infinitely better off.
You know, when the Pirates were selling the farm, someone got Jason Bay. Someone got Nate McLouth. Someone got Nyjer Morgan.
We got Grabow and Gorz. Not terrible…. but considering that Hendry only does one thing well – trading with Pittsburgh – I would have liked to have gone for the brass ring.
Of course, Hendry held on to Hill and Pie like grim death…. until he got distracted by the next shiny object and moved them all as pawns in his grand scheme to add Aaron Heilman.
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I would say...
that each player should be assessed differently. Many players never do find success, but there are also those who turn into quality players.
Failed scouting reports or whatever led to the disastrous decision to keep Pie so long shouldn’t really determine how we handle a different player.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
Well, yeah. Those are truisms.
What I’m saying is that you occasionally have to part with a prospect who your scouts like, in order to land superstar MLB players.
Take Detroit, for instance. They traded Maybin and Miller for Miggy Cabrera – I don’t think they’re particularly upset about it. Even Boston, trading Hanley for Beckett — you have to give something to get something.
The Cubs would rather make deals around the margins, and try to get “serviceable” players to fill the gaps.
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I would tend to think...
that it is more of an indictment of the scouting department (as well as the input of both Lou and JH) rather than a reluctance to trade talent. There have been a few exceptions to that trend (Hill to PITT) and Rich Hill did have one quality year.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
Did the package include Guzman , Wells & Marshall ?
Padres were not trading Bell for Vitters so don’t cry over it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't think Guzman or Wells was in the deal.
If it was marshall, vitters, and other players then good right ahead.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust me Padres wanted a lot more than Vitters for Bell
I believe he has two more years under team control. Several teams tried for him and none succeeded.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a guess here but I think somebody named Trevor Hoffman had something to do with that...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
yabbut, he's pretty much been lights out the last three years with Padres
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You want to trade a guy that's thrown <300 innings in his career as a closer and has 31 saves to show for it for our #1 minor leaguer?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
lol number 1 minor leaguer.
felix pie, donald veal, tyler colvin, etc. …. what have they really turned out to be?
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
there's always a chance he isn't as good as advertised
if you can get a piece to win right now, I don’t see why you wouldn’t make the deal. Remember when Hendry refused to put Pie in a Roberts deal. This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. Trade for proven guys.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
That was because we NEEDED Aaron Heilman.
It took like 5 transactions to get the pieces in place to land Aaron Heilman.
WHat happened last offseason?!
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Actually I don't remember this
I remember Angelos vetoing some deal. Also to be fair there is no indication the Cubs ever had any serious talks with the Padres about Bell, they did discuss including Vitters in a deal for Peavy but the Padres seemed more interested in pitching.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
idk. him refusing and the cubs not making a better offer
funny looking back at it because i would trade any one of those proposed players for Roberts.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
oh and phil rogers
i hate you
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Same old speculation though
Roberts is an Angelos pet and I don’t think he was gonna be traded.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
if the package was good, roberts would be a cub
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
As I recall, the only way the O’s would trade Roberts to ANY team
is if they clearly “won” the trade, a.k.a. “robbed” the other team.
The foolish deal the Mariners made with the O’s for Bedard encouraged this strategy.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
at that time, the O's would have robbed the Cubs
with Pie, Hill, Colvin, Cedeno. When i look back at it, i just want to stab myself.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Vitters do better at high-A ball.
Honestly, I’m starting to get a bit concerned with our offensive players falling on their faces every time they’re promoted.
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Vitter is, what, 19 years old?
It’s a little early to be concerned.
Overall, I think he’s done pretty well in the minors. It’ll be years before we’ll know if he’s the real deal.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 18, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes - he'll be 20 in 10 days.
And “pretty well” is exactly what he’s done. He had some torrid streaks in the midwest league, and he’s flat-out sucked in Daytona.
All in all, his Midwest league stats are the first time that we could say “that’s the kind of performance I’d hoped for”, and even then it wasn’t overwhelming – he’s more or less on par with what Kyler Burke has posted for the same Peoria team.
And no one would be crying if we traded Kyler in a deal for Peavy or Bell.
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Any chance we get to hear a post game interview...
With Lou?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions
Hopefully he says, "I quit."
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
and miles will quit too
also jim hendry. wait im dreaming again
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll play this dream game too
Mmm….beeeeeeer.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
hopefully he comes out covered in blood holding Gregg's right arm
and yes I am kidding
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by DC Cubbie on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I LOL'd
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, ah, we have to execute...I don't know...
What, ah, what do you want me to say? We have some guys that go out there, and, ah, they have to play the game, and, uh, if they don’t execute…Look, we’re just going to come back and do this thing tomorrow.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty much it
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
That's ALWAYS it
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Gregg and Miles need to get some kind of injury
Tired arm, tired bat whatever. Blanco who had a homer in Iowa tonight and Berg or Stevens can come back and
Guzman can be the closer. Lou can sit in the dugout as long as Trammell makes all the calls.
Still 6 weeks left.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
Girl has a point
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel like...
been awake for about 30 minutes now and already today sucks.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
so that’s what aaron miles looks like out of uniform.
by lumberjack7 on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Gregg's brain?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Looks more like Chet from Weird Science.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Pathetic 9th
Bradley struck out with the insurance run on base and Gregg decided to pitch behind every hitter (except González) and give up the game to the worse team in the West.
Lou was so out of the loop that he made a visit to the 3rd base line to order an intentional walk.
Hendry, this is the team you made up. Pathetic.
I think Lou went out there to kill Gregg
then realized there were about 20,000 witnesses
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Lou, here is your lineup, use it
1. Fukudome, cf
2. Bradley, rf
3. Lee, 1b
4. Ramirez, 3b
5. Soto, c
6. Soriano, lf
7. Baker, 2b
8. Theriot, ss
9. Pitcher
Don’t use Sam Fuld as a pinch-hitter, or if you do, immediately insert him into left field to play defense.
Play Koyie Hill more than once a week. There’s a reason the club is something like 10 games over .500 when he starts.
Put Aaron Miles at the far end of the bench and use him only as a pinch-hitter after all starting pitchers have already been used to pinch-hit.
Flip the roles of Kevin Gregg and Angel Guzman.
That’s just what I would do if I was managing the Cubs.
Clearly it’s just common sense, but how can Lou/Jim/anybody else in the Cubs front office not see that?
soto batting 5th
what
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
either him or baker
i don’t think i would put soriano there
by burncruisin on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
This sucks...
Not only is it late, but I’m wired now and can’t fall asleep.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions
I am taking a sleeping pill
I hope one is enough
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I was about to do the same
I woke up and watched the end of this, and now I have to try and get back to sleep…Wonderful.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
great. i love hearing people on the radio tell me how they predicted the cubs to be this bad and other stupid shit
can this team just start to play?
COOL BEANS!
Blou has his own Radio Show ?
or was he just calling in.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nope les grobstein .... intelligent but annoying as hell
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by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If anyone actually says
That they predicted this in the beginning of the season, they are lying. I’d demand proof before I believed them.
lol he was like .... i picked them to finish in 2nd from the beginning of the year ... i was right when i said St louis would be first
all this bullshit
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That made me rage
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I predicted
Gregg would be mediocre, Heilmann would suck and Miles is garbage. But these arent much of predictions, more of well known and documented facts
It's one thing
to predict the performance of individual players, but anyone telling you they thought the Cubs would play like they have as a unit is, like I said above, lying.
I figured they would take the division
but the Cardinals didnt have the team then that they have now
Do yourselves a favor
and don’t listen to postgame radio shows. The dumbest, most clueless poster here looks like Einstein compared to those idiots.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
These are the same people that proclaim
Kaplan as the “most knowledgeable baseball person.”
As always, consider the source.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL - at first glance, I thought you had typed "Eckstein"
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Freudian slip?
I think that’s what Gregg had when he walked him …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think my posting history is still publicly posted here --
This team was horrifically designed, and we’re seeing the natural outcome of Hendry’s horrendous 2008 offseason.
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all due respect, but there were people here and there
who were dumbfounded by the moves Hendry made, and wondered if we didn’t actually downgrade. Of course that sounds like hindsight now, and I can’t say “I called it” but I was uneasy with the makeup of this team, and certainly wondered if this might happen
JUST LIKE THE TITANIC....
Started to make a slide towards the bottom. It now looks like the 2009 Cubs are also doomed .
Yes they are
This team is a giant pile of crap
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Oh my God I'm so glad I didn't get to see this
Lou cannot possibly trot Gregg out there again can he?
And this team is just not good when Miles is in the lineup.
HE CAN AND HE WILL.....
Gregg will continue to close . Just feel sorry for all the Cub fans that paid so much to see this game .
maybe my player from mlb 09 the show could be the closer
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions
This team has no leadership or identity...
Flame if you will, but we sorely miss the veteran leadership of Edmonds, Wood, and DeRosa this year. The most maddening thing is that we’ll most likely see the same team, with maybe a few minor tweaks, on the field next year.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions
Doesn't matter
“Leadership” is overrated. Winning provides it. Losing doesn’t.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That applies to "chemistry". "Leadership" is different.
I don’t think that you need to have a bunch of guys who get along to win.
However, I think that a team comprised entirely of “followers” and complementary players will fail, every time. You need alpha personalities to galvanize a team to win in team sports.
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Whether it's business or baseball...
Successful teams and organizations have great leaders within their management on on the front lines. This team as constructed doesn’t have that.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you ever notice that a lack of real quality exists throughout the Tribune company?
Listen to the people they have on the radio. Look at the people they have let go from the newspaper and have kept. Listen to Pat and Ron. Whatever product the company puts out is overall mediocre. We see the same results on the ballfield. I think it must be some kind of corporate philosophy. I have been waiting for an ownership change for years. I can’t wait for it to finally happen. Maybe someone else will come in and try for quality. Maybe you didn’t mean that when you wrote your comment, but I think it applies to the whole corporation, Cubs included.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AND DON'T FORGET ....
Lou and his coaching staff also,,,,
THERES LOTS OF TIME LEFT AND SORIANO AND CAREER NORMS
Seriously, I agree with a lot of that.
These guys are not very good at baseball. I mean, compared to other MLB players, and especially compared to other MLB players making 8 figures annually.
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Fuck this season
I’m ready for football
by TuscaniLove on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll be going to plenty of LSU games
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Maybe some good will come from this failed 2009 season.
Maybe Jim Hendry’s failure will cause the organization to reevaluate it’s “OBP is for weiners” philosophy. Maybe the new guy will say "Wait a minute. Perhaps these nerds are right. Perhaps I’ve been wrong to blindly folow the traditions and superstitions of past centuries. Maybe we GMs should test these assumptions analytically, through experimentation, studies of empirical results of the last 100 years of baseball, and a “scientific method”. Maybe this scientific method could be extended to other fields of learning: the natural sciences, art, architecture, navigation. Perhaps I could lead the way to a new age, an age of rebirth, a Cubbie Renaissance!"
[ thinks for a minute ]
“Naaaaaahhh!”
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Thanks D98...
You just got me to laugh which, under the circumstances, I didn’t think was possible!
by bluekoolaide on Aug 18, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
This
is so dumb.
One of the best GMs in the game is being torn apart by fans that expect perfection. You fools disgust me.
by serbianking33 on Aug 18, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you solidly
but tonight probably isn’t the right time to be making that point.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well allow me to retort.
First off, that post is, word for word, from Steve Martin’s “Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber” SNL sketch. For crying out loud.
Secondly, “one of the best GMs in the game”. Seriously? An argument can be made that he is not in the bottom 5… I suppose…. but how can you explain $130+M for this offense? For this roster?
Hendry is going to be fired at the end of this year, and deservedly so. The Cubs will have to spend the next 5 years paying for his mistakes. His era is over, but the hangover is going to SUCK.
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You're so wrong on so many levels, D98
but I can’t get totally down on someone who throws in a Theodoric of York reference. Too funny.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
So you're going with "one of the best in the game?"
I can’t even go with “acceptable”, under the circumstances of the contracts he’s thrown around. Colossal wastes of resources.
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I'd say so
I think for any other franchise, he’d be lionized.
This franchise … I’m wondering if this job is too big for anybody to handle.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm really not seeing it.
For instance, I think he would have been run out of New York or Boston on a rail.
I think that, once again, it gets back to what the fanbase is willing to accept. If you posit that we should be happy with winning the central on occasion and hoping to get lucky in the playoffs, then sure, Hendry has done what is necessary. It helps that the playing field is uneven, and he can outspend his competition by a factor of 5, but that’s neither here nor there.
If the goal is to build a winning organization, Hendry has failed rather spectacularly. The series of free agent busts Hendry has fallen into have resulted in relatively weak 25-man rosters throughout Hendry’s tenure (relative to his peers in payroll), and will seriously hamstring Hendry’s successor over the next 5 years.
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Honestly i think this is like the 10th game lou has lost
don’t ask me what other games but it feels like a lot of games.
COOL BEANS!
I'm not sure how Lou lost this one
But I’ll listen to your explanation, LL.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Lou sent Gregg out there
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Gregg didn't do his job
That’s not on Lou. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gregg gets a “break” from closing for a while, though.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
You asked for his explanation
And I gave it to you. Doesn’t change the fact that Lou is a slow learner.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
That's not a good explanation
Now, when Gregg blew the save the last game in Florida, I did blame Lou for that. Gregg had just thrown 40-something pitches the night before. He didn’t need to come in.
Tonight? Yeah, Gregg was the main culprit. But drive in a few of those runs earlier and that ninth inning probably plays out differently.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
it's the fact that lou has seen him blown big saves.
Kevin Gregg will never be a good closer. He will be serviceable. He should have made a move way before this .. or at least try some other pitchers.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
No one is harder on Lou than me but not this game
Well I think playing Fonty over Baker was pretty bad. I don’t think he had a lot of choice with Miles since Theriot is not available but
Gregg is your closer and that is who you use. Had he gotten the third F*^%$$ing out when he was supposed to we would not be having this discussion so yes poor line up construction is on Lou, acting like a zoned out old man is on Lou but using Gregg is not his fault
UNLESS he does it again .
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
And Lou just said he’ll change the closer.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Boy this Gregg guy continues to impress
Every move Hendry made this offseason has turned to gold!
Lets Go Hawks!
I defended him for a long time
Then he suddenly reverted back to 2008 Gregg after his return to Florida.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
A closer that throws 90 with a hanging curve will always suck
and the GM that signed him does too
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen! Stupidass Lou is just as much to blame for putting his ass out there
and Hendry deserves to be canned for bringing his ass here.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Hendry should have been canned long long ago
Yet this failure of an organization continues to employ incompetence year after year, why do you think it has been 101 years
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Another
ignorant comment. Back to back division titles, 3 in 6 years, for a franchise that was associated with losing. Comments like this make me laugh.
by serbianking33 on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Give any poster on this board $130M annually
…and let their teams perform in the last 6 NL Central races, and you’ll see 3 division titles.
Hopefully, said poster won’t puss out on the Carlos Beltran pursuit, and then overcompensate by giving Alfonso Soriano $138 million dollars for his age 31-38 seasons.
Honestly, a great deal of Hendry’s moves seem to have been made on blind faith. Like the naked assumption that Alfonso Soriano could play CF, because he “looks like” he could be a centerfielder. Or the assumption that Kevin Gregg could be an effective closer, because after all, he had 29 saves once.
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Beltran
certainly has led the Mets to the promised land, hasn’t he?
Thinking before you post is a vital part of the Internet process.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, please
He was having a good year this year until he got hurt, but I wouldn’t call what he’s done in NY “spectacular.”
The only spectacular thing about the Mets has been how spectacularly their seasons have imploded the last three years.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Take another look at those stats.
What is his overall OPS with the Mets? .900?
His first year with the Mets was mediocre. He had those leg issues.
Since then, OPS+ of 150, 126, 129, and 150. That’s spectacular by any standard. A few more years like that and you start calling someone a Hall of Famer.
Heck, a few 150 OPS+ years can get a corner OF into the Hall. For a CF, it’s even more rare.
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And the bottom line is
the Mets haven’ t even made the playoffs. By your same standard, he and the rest of the team suck and Minaya is the worst GM in baseball.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How quickly you forget - The Mets made the NLCS in 2006.
And Beltran was pretty valiant in that series loss to the Cardinals, with an OPS over 1.000.
Beltran is objectively better than Alfonso Soriano at every single skill in baseball. He is a better contact hitter, a better power hitter, a dramatically better fielder at a more valuable position, and a better baserunner.
What, pray tell, is my “standard” for GM performance? I wasn’t aware that I’d set one. I certainly wouldn’t base it entirely upon winning playoff series.
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True, that, about 2006
And the last three years, they’ve done squat, and done it in a way that makes the Cubs’ el foldos look amateurish by comparison.
Your standard appears to be exactly that, how you do in the postseason. Are you going to tell me Minaya is a better GM than Hendry is?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's look at that, too
In 06, the mets lost game 7 of the nlcs. The Cubs were horrific.
In 07 and 08, the cubs got swept out of the nlds, while th mets got edged out by the phils. In 07, the cubs were helped by winning a terrible division.
This year, the mets lost essentially every player on their team. And, in all likelihood, both teams will miss the playoffs.
In the last 4 years, it’s advantage mets. Even with the playoff misses in 07-08. It’s cold comfort to point to our zero playoff wins as evidence of superiority.
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So I guess
all the Cubs’ injuries this year are some hallucination I’m having? If you’re going to excuse the Mets for their injuries, than you’ve got to excuse the Cubs for theirs, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not even remotely similar.
The Mets injury situation has been an order of magnitude worse.
Wright, Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, Castillo, Putz, and that’s just off the top of my head.
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I'm still wondering what Hendry saw in him.
I’m sure that, last offseason, the last time Hendry had seen Gregg was when Daryle Ward hit an 8th inning 500-foot 3-run shot off of him.
What caught Hendry’s eye there? Gregg had just lost the set-up role for the Marlins.
“yes sir, that’s my closer! go get him!”
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I know!
I wonder if Carlos was supposed to be the closer and Gregg was the backup plan? If not, then Hendry is a bigger idiot than I ever thought.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
No
There was a competition in spring training, and Gregg won it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
And it was very worrying at the time, imho
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Hendry is the opposite of King Midas
Everything he touched this season became crappy.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok I am off to take an Ambien
cause I don’t have any valium. Night all.
In the morning I will still have hope because I can’t help myself.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions
Looking back at the last 3 or 4 yrs
the double play combo of Roberts/Furcal would look really nice right now. I know i said Roberts … don’t kill me now.
COOL BEANS!
No way, were so much better off with weak arm singles hitter Theriot and bench player Fontenot
thank god we have a GM who has no clue what he’s doing when it comes to evaluating talent
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
the players they could have gotten for felix pie.....
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
It was all worth it to get Aaron Heilman.
The Best Pitcher Coach Maineri Ever Saw.
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seriously they treated pie like god
he turned out like shit and they got shit.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously they treated pie like god
he turned out like shit and they got shit.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 18, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
We couldn't spring for $12M for Furcal... and Roberts would have cost us Pie.
So no thank you sir!
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and if we signed Furcal Lee would not have been injured and .....
can’t cry of spilled milk and given the way he went to the Dodgers I think Furcal was only using the Cubs to up their offer.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Last thing before i hit the hay, if this team continues to suck
Hendry and Lou are gone. I’m more certain about Hendry but Lou looks lackadaisical. I can’t wait until this team wins but there’s a part of me that is excited to see a new team with new possible owner.
COOL BEANS!
All Lou will be remembered for when he is gone is failing in the postseason
Division titles mean nothing when you have gone 101 years without a championship, but with all the awful contracts Hendry has given out we wont be contending for a championship for another 3-4 years
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Late Night with Gordon Twittermeyer...
cst_cubs: Lou says he’s changing closer role after another Gregg homerfest. Says he’ll have more details Tuesday.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
:O
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really
He’s given Gregg a proper number of chances to right the ship and he hasn’t done it. So it’s a good time to make a change.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
The season is near over, it's a little too late. Actually, way too late.
Gregg has been shaky since day one and other options should’ve been explored months agoincludinga closer by committee, egos be dammed. lou has stuck to the Marol in the 8th, Gregg in the 9th formula way too long.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
oops, I missed a couple spaces there, other options should’ve been explored months ago including a closer by committee, egos be dammed. lou has stuck to the Marol in the 8th, Gregg in the 9th formula way too long.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Not true
He’s been fine until that Florida series. Not shaky since day one.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He had allowed more HR than any other closer even before the Florida series.
Gregg was never a good fit as closer. He’s just worse now, when it counts more.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 18, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't been fine, can't get the death blow, the final strike, that good closers can.
His ERA reflects his crappiness.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
He hasn't been fine the last two weeks or so, no doubt
And if ERAs reflect crappiness, Wood is in that boat, too. Lidge, too, for that mater.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He's been pretty lousy.
I’ll preface this by saying that, with few exceptions, most relievers can perform adequately in the 9th. Billy Beane learned this, and spent half a decade creating “closers” from thin air and then trading them for legitimate assets.
That being said – 23/29 in save opportunities, the most HR allowed for all closers, 28 ER in 56 IP.
There just really isn’t a lot to point to as evidence of him being “fine”, even prior to the FLA series.
Especially with the gutpunch losses he’s endured this year. The Astros meltdown. The Tigers walkoff. It’s pretty much been a big bag of hurt all year.
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By nature, every loss a closer has
is going to be a “gutpunch” loss. That’s part of the job.
And I believe the Cubs won that Astros game, BTW.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It had better be Guzman and not Marmol
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
could be grabow too
and put gorzilla in the bullpen when z comes back
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter which loser you put out from this blowpen
The game is over when we send out someone in the 9th
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I guess I’ll just chalk that one up to frustration.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Working OT on that tonight
But someone’s got to keep their head, as hard as it is to do right now. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say more reality than frustration
Most knowledgeable baseball fans knew Gregg was not of closer quality before this year, let alone closer material for a team expecting to contend for a world series after 101 years without a championship, we would have been better off with Kerry this year
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
He's blown five of 15
Not exactly a lot of chances, but not exactly stellar in those chances, either.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Correction
5 of 20. He’s got 15 saves.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe it is 6 blown saves after tonight
And that is nowhere near acceptable for a team that is supposed to be contending for a championship, if this team somehow manages to pull something out of their ass and make the playoffs there is no team out there that would be intimidated of that bum coming out onto the mound at any time
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Wood has blown five of 20
Gregg has blown six of 29.
Listen, we’re all getting our wish. Looks like Guzman is going to close for a while. Let’s see how that goes.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The other thing about him
is that who knew when his next DL stint would be.
I love Wood, too, but parting ways with him was the right thing to do.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree with you there
That is if we picked up someone who actually had good stuff in terms of a Closer
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Wood is pitching in the much tougher AL
I find it hard to believe he would be doing worse than Gregg right now if he were still on the team. The NL central is a joke
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And the AL Central is Murderer's Row?
That division might be a bigger joke than the NL Central.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The better question is who do you think would have been better
suited to be closer of this years team, Gregg or Wood
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What does that mean?
I think it’s six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. What, Wood has some sort of Cubbie Sixth Sense that would make him better suited to be closer here? Now you’re really getting out there.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I will take Wood over Gregg in the closer role any day, no question
in terms of quality of stuff for that role, I really don’t see how you can disagree with that
Lets Go Hawks!
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
This is too funny
I’m sure you were saying the same thing when Woody was crapping down his leg the first half of last season.
Methinks Cubs fans have become too whiny for their own good.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be doing better either.
Last year he did what Gregg did tonight, several times.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 18, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Well crap
Blou and krummy, it sure looks like you guys were right.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
This season has long been over. krummy12 (6/30/09)
by joeschmitt on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Have I mentioned before...
I hate the fuckin’ Padres?
And, just as i say this….my PC is acting up…..The Kevin Gregg show has to end. I’ve been trying to post for 15 mins….Lou has beaten me.
It’s such a joy to leave Petco Park on yet, another — another dark night in San Diego.
Just shoot me, stop me from going.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions
Just got back from the game...
There aren’t words to describe that one. Don’t say anything, just don’t say anything.
That had to be one of the worst “closer” meltdowns I have ever seen, on TV or in person.
I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime. The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 1:08 AM CDT reply actions
I was thinking of you.
My sympathies.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding
It was bad enough having to listen to it, let alone watch it.
Interesting two days. Yesterday the Padres closer can’t get the save against the Cardinals, and tonight the Padres win a game the exact same way. If you’re looking at it dispassionately, I guess that’s another example of why baseball is a great game
But, from my vantage point right now, it sucks.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
It was worst being there.
Two rows behind me were Padres fans, one of whom was wearing a “Cubs suck” t-shirt. During the ninth inning, they were trying to provoke me … I ignored them as much as I could.
I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime. The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
'Cubs suck' -- how clever
I hope PETCO was at least worth the visit.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Petco's fine.
The fans are horrible.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Then, there's always
the chants of “100 more years” when you leave. I never this shit in LA after Cubs losses.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually didn't hear those ... I left very quickly after Gregg blew the save (and his job).
This space for rent ... to anyone who can think of something to put here.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't even notice
“hear” was missing, to be honest.
Sounds like quite the baseball inferiority complex in America’s Finest City.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
America’s Finest City.
st louis?
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, that just made me
spit up my Cheerio-s. :) STL does have a big inferiority complex, too.
Funny, when the Cubs were on their big run last season, razzing Cardinals fans was the last thing on my mind. Now, it seems Cardinals fans have nothing better to do than razz Cubs fans. Pathetic.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
4 runs after 2 outs
It’s pretty gruesome, but it’s just another Cubs game in San Diego. I’ve seen it before.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm really glad I couldn't see it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Well, the Cubs will have a new closer, it appears
I suspect it’ll be Guzman. Which is fine with me.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions
No word yet on that.
After what I saw tonight, anyone would be better than Gregg.
I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime. The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny thing is if Hendry has signed Hoffman
and let Wood go , there would have been howls of anger.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
There would be howls of anger
no matter what, Jess.
I’m convinced Cubs fans are perpetually angry anymore. I understand it, but it certainly helps take the joy out of watching baseball.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
howls of anger over signing Hoffman?
letting Wood go, sure I understand how that would set some folks off (and it did). But I don’t see how signing Hoffman would have been greeted with jeers and howls.
Sure, at the time, a case could have been made that Hoffman might be past his prime – I seem to recall him getting knocked around pretty good a few times last year when he was still with the Padres. But the guy’s a sure-fire HOFer and the all-time saves leader. Something to be said for having that pedigree on your staff. Worse case scenario – again, at the time – would have been yeah, he doesn’t quite have it anymore but he can help groom Marmol.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Well, good night everyone.
I insist, NBF, that to me, the season ended a week ago in Denver. However, I commend you for keeping the faith. I just won’t lose more time watching these chokers at such a late hour. At least I used up some time to pay off some bills while the suckers “played”.
Well, you were productive, at least
The season still isn’t over, not by a long shot. But they can’t afford to lose many more like this one.
Good night.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Good night...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Gregg: I believe in my stuff
According to theChicago Tribune.
Boy, I sure wish I had some of what he is taking.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
How the hell...
…does Dempster let the guy steal 2nd without even looking at him?
That was brutual!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
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