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Al adresses this topic far too often as I see it. I am not sure how many subsribers there are, who posts most often, or whom the repeat offenders are. The personal attacks on each other are happening too often. The thing about text is that you can't read tonality. Statements may be percieved as an insult but may not have been meant as one then an insult is fired off in return. I read a lot of the posts and I can see how these attacks get started. I also see how they can be avoided. I am not sure why some people have to call other people names or who benefits from that. I think we all need to step back and realize that we are all on the same team. We all want the Cubs to win now and we all get frustrated in our own ways. I have posted things out here that people disagree with just as I have disagreed with others. This is one of the major benefits of this site. You are getting information (Facts and opinions) from a bunch of people. The information is yours to apply however you like. In my opinion, It's great to get other perspectives. I have learned a ton about the Cubs and the game of baseball from you guys as this site is fantastic. There are times where I take a day or two off from this site until things cool down as it is just not enjoyable to read the insults being posted. We all have very different levels of knowlege of the Cubs and especially the game of baseball. If you read something that seems ridiclous consider from where it may be coming. If someone insults you simply ignore it. I will get off my soapbox now. Thanks for reading.

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Well said 1060...

…and I echo your sentiments. I understand that the nature of posting and texting often leads to people acting in a much more aggressive way than they probably would if they were talking to someone face to face but it still never hurts to occasionally remind everyone that, after all, civility, even in disagreement, is not a bad way to go.

by bluekoolaide on Aug 17, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this is unnecessary

Many of the people who engage in personal attacks do so just for the sport of it. You can’t tell people like that to be respectful of their fellow commenters or use a civilized tone, its not why they’re here. All you can do is ignore them and not add legitimacy to their boorishness by giving it a response. IMO, anyway.

by Orval Overall on Aug 17, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% correct

The people who make a big huff and aggravate the issue like this are no more part of the solution than the trolls

------ TheRiot Squad ------

by RightFieldSucks on Aug 27, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said, 1060, bluek and Orval

The big key is that one cannot read tonality.

Some do engage in attacks just for the sport; others have their “sacred cows” for who that if any sleight at all is perceived, it becomes a holy war.

The bottom line is, we’re all responsible for how we react to what others say. Sometimes I am better at that than other times . . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

damn badgers

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Aug 17, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be saying that myself in a few weeks...

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wisconsin is gonna suuuuuuuuuuck.

I’m just preparing for a 6-6 season.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 17, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's not looking so good.

Of course, Matt LePay blogged that’s when they do better . . . fly under the radar.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be wearing my Badgers hat

to the game at Ryan Field at the end of the season. Beyond that, though, I have to cheer for both them and Northwestern. I"m not really sure which team will end up with a worse record…. :(

by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the 'cats had high hopes?

Of course, they won’t win their bowl game . . . they never do. I’ll cheer for them, though – I root for every Big1T1en team in non-conf. action.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be saying that myself in a few weeks...

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully only once, though

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.....

…. I particularly like the ones who insist they get to call you names because you dare to disagree with them and how they arrived at THEIR opinion. Lovely people.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 17, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd
The bottom line is, we’re all responsible for how we react to what others say.

Testify.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sadly this type of post seems to be done

every 3 months give or take. I did one about 3 months ago in fact, and there may have been one more since then….

The result is:

1. Group A comment about how well written the post is and they agree wit it
2. Group B refuse to stop the bashing and insults, and continue to cause havoc while ignoring the post. calling for peace.

I agree with what is stated above, just pointing out the sad facts of it and what to expect as a result.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 17, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember, however I like 1060's take.

There are a number of people here who enjoy the negative and stirring up trouble. Orval’s right that they can’t be policed or police themselves as they enjoy the reaction too much.

As for the rest of us, a kind reminder to pay attention to tone and how others will perceive it is fair.

I also like the fact the comments aren’t divisive and are constructive.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Aug 17, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree nothing wrong with posting it at all

and i just dug mine up, 3 months to the date, how about that.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point also about comments being constructive

I, personally, don’t come on here to get into confrontations with people. At the same time, I like hearing other points of view. I’m not deluded enough about my own “expertise” to believe that I can’t sometimes be enlightened by an intelligent, opposing argument..

Unfortunately,it’s a fact of life that a lot of people would rather just take positions, provoke and then attack. At times like that it’s VERY good advice to ignore them and move on.

by bluekoolaide on Aug 17, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good post, and those that love to insult people personally to make a point

will not only refuse to stop bashing but most won’t read it at all. I think to read this post you have to be concerned at least a little about other people. I came to this site because of the negativity of other Cub sites…both against the the club and each other. I’m glad to hear there are people on the site worried about arguments degrading to personal attacks because I don’t think there are but one or two people on any site that would want that to happen or stay after it became very commonplace.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 17, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nothing wrong with disagreeing

and a good debate about it is great sometimes IMHO

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 17, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Sarcasm) You Blankety-Blank

(Sarcasm) What the (expletive deleted) are you doing putting up a post like this? Don’t you know we all treat each other with respect around here?

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

forgot

rec’d this post

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 17, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I usually read this, but have posted only once because I am not confident in my baseball knowledge. I hate to see the negativity, but I love to read the perspective of those who contribute.

rec’d this

by cub in louies nest on Aug 17, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a nice heavy book for all you academics:

On Dialogue, by David Bohm.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 17, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the OP...

As a relative newcomer to BCB I’ve for the most part enjoyed the Game Threads, Al’s previews and wrap-ups, and the comments. I often learn something new, whether it be about sabermetrics, our farm team, or baseball history. I also appreciate that most people here have a great sense of humour and I can usually find something that cracks me up everyday.

That being said there does some to be a certain level of vitriol in some threads that I find hard to understand. I’ve browsed around quite a few other teams’ SB Nation blogs, usually our NL opponents to get a different take on the game, and some AL teams’ sites as well. On the one hand there’s almost no fan base that matches the level of participation and baseball analysis on BCB, and we should be proud of that. On the other hand I don’t think any other site “eats their own” as much as we do by insulting fellow fans (except for maybe the Yankees and Red Sox sites, I haven’t felt the need to check theirs out).

I’m happy that this site goes deeper than just “what a play!” or “gee, tough out there” like certain other sites (e.g. the Marlins’ FishStripes – go check out a game thread there if you’re bored!). I just could do without the amateur vitriol, although maybe it comes with the territory – I don’t know.

"TOOO much good stuff!"

by cdnsportnic on Aug 17, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As someone who has been maybe a little more nasty than usual lately

I think we all have to sometimes take a break from the site when we’re frustrated. It’s a frustrating year at times and it’s really easy to be nasty to someone behind a computer screen.

Perhaps we should read what we write and then push send. I’m included in this recommendation too. It would make a much better experience for everyone IMO.

by ak123 on Aug 17, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you're misusing the word "tonality"

i think you mean, simply, “tone.”

by John T. Unger on Aug 18, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ooooppps

This is a great example. I could be completely beside myself that grammar is corrected on this site and start a war! Totally kidding. I put this in word to spell check and just took all the corrections. You are correct. I did mean tone.

when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."

by 1060 W Addison on Aug 18, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll never understand people

By that I mean those who engage in attacks and insults for the sport of it. Who in their right minds would enjoy having a reputation as an a-hole? If you want attention, why wouldn’t you do or say something positive to earn it?

by CaliCub on Aug 18, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because good behavior on the Internet...

…doesn’t get you attention – at least not at first and often not for a long time. Behaving negatively usually garners one instant results (i.e., attention) and that’s what many people want.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you're right

But I’ll stick to the harmless corny joke and funny Photoshop picture and asking other BCBers in other parts of the world how they like living there. Then again I don’t use BCB to get attention…heck, I don’t even USE it to begin with! We are here as the guests of a community and as such we need to practice good manners.

by CaliCub on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what a friend of mine had to say about BCB
BCB was too big for me pre-yahoo but yeah post-yahoo it is like a huge city with bad neighborhoods and drive by shootings of innocent bystanders.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

♪♫ I was born here in the city...with my back against the wall... ♪♫

Anyone? Anyone?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the City by The Eagles

It was sung by former Memphian Joe Walsh. The song was played during the credits of “The Warriors”. Anybody who has seen that movie will remember the line, “Warriors! Come out to play! Warriors! Come out to play!”

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 18, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You win!

And 100 bonus BCB points for citing its use in “The Warriors.” I used to have that soundtrack on vinyl LP and “In the City” was, IIRC, the leadoff track. Killer!

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re Rented that last week

I love that movie

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 18, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphians?

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 18, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Joe is really from Ohio, but he spent 3 years living in Memphis back in the 1980’s. He recorded “Got Any Gum?” here.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 18, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphisites?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 19, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my jaw dropped, then shut when I saw the videogame of this flick

I loved the flick when it came out, but I only watched it one time .. and that was as a hormonal 19 year old anyway who thought Ginny Ortiz – the Candy Store Girl – was hotter then hot.

It was inevitable they’d dredge up this one. The Baseball Furies gang that clad itself in a pre-punk version of the New York Dolls meeting the Yankees was an absolute hoot. Heck, the leader in that one swing had a prettier one then Soriano’s any day

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Aug 22, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right - the Baseball Furies. Very on point!

I haven’t seen the movie since I was a kid. My older brother and I loved it. I’ll have to check it out again some time.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 22, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the incessant

clinking of the bottles

by tootle on Aug 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was he thinking of Milton Bradley when he said that.

Cause I would.

Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...

by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 24, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 25, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 Cents

I like to try to chime in with unique, off the wall observations, and attempts at humor or “thinking out of the box” — but on so many occasions, I have been put down so harshly — and for no apparent reason — that I totally hold back now 70-80% of what I’d like to chip in with. Not the end of the world, but that seems to be the MO. There are bigger problems in the world!

by cubsgocubs on Aug 18, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

We must be in the same boat. It’s more trouble than it’s worth.

by bigz38fan on Aug 18, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, if its constructive, fine

If not, tell them to shove it. There’s no reason why someone else can bully without push back. I’ve had the same thing from time to time. I don’t let them get away with it and neither should you.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 19, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put. This is along the lines of an earlier post of mine. And boy, has the "ride" been bumpy this season...

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/4/21/847036/can-we-all-agree-to-just-enjoy-the

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I find this to be an interesting post....

and I could write volumes about some of the things I’ve seen and endured here but I’ll try to keep it fairly short…and that’s hard for me to do.
 I appreciate this post because it gives me the opportunity to say a few things about the behavior of some of the folks here.
 As a Cardinal fan, I expect a little bashing when I post or comment, but I expect it to be all in good fun. Way too often it becomes venomous at the onset, and I know it’s because I’m a Cards fan. For the most part I try to ignore it but one can only tolerate so much of it.
 I don’t want this comment to sound like it’s all about me. It’s not! It’s about those who exhibit such childish, immature, self serving, boorish, attention seeking, peace disturbing and downright rude behavior. It’s a blight.
 What’s also interesting are some of the comments to this post from some of those very people. “people who live in glass houses…………”
Some of them think they’re intellectually superior and their very words show just the opposite. How smart are they really if they can’t see that?
 If someone walks into a room waving a white flag and immediately gets knocked to the floor it doesn’t say much for the group of folks around him…especially when no one helps him up off the floor. What that does is intimidate not just the one on the floor but everybody in the room. Not enough folks standing up to the bully(s).
 Rodney King had it right when he said “Can’t we all just get along?”
Let’s all go talk some baseball…..and get along!

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 20, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea whatever...

You’re just a Cardinal Troll and the Cards suck!!!

jk jk, only kidding :)

Good insight and I agree with what you said. This is one of the reasons I haven’t been visiting the site as much as I used to, too much nastiness between members and it drowns out the people who actually have something important/interesting to add to the discussion.

"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)

"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers

by gridiron_assassin on Aug 22, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really sure what a post like this is trying to accomplish

I mean, for the nice folks, you’re preaching to the choir. They’ll agree whole-heartedly, and continue not attacking each other.

For the aggressive folks, they’ll wonder who called the waaahmbulance and keep doing what they do. Maybe you think you’ll trigger an epiphany and they’ll discover the error of their ways, but in reality, they’re trying to provoke and the only way to stop it is to just ignore them. If nobody takes the troll bait, they’ll eventually stop. No amount of self-important preaching will make them stop.

------ TheRiot Squad ------

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