Should The Cubs Sign John Smoltz?
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 9:54 AM CDT
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When John Smoltz was pounded by the Yankees on August 6 at Yankee Stadium, and subsequently designated for assignment by the Red Sox, some here wondered whether it might be a good idea for the Cubs to take a flyer on him.
On August 6 the Cubs were tied for first place, were two games ahead of the Cardinals in the loss column, had just gotten an outstanding first outing out of Tom Gorzelanny, and things looked pretty good. So I said, "Why bother?"
Since then -- not so much. The Cubs are 3-7 since August 6, the bullpen is in full-time meltdown mode, and Lou Piniella says the Cubs are going to make a change at closer.
So -- why not John Smoltz? His eight American League starts for the Red Sox this year were, overall, pretty bad -- that 8.32 ERA is horrendous. He allowed no homers in the first four starts, then nine in the last four. But the Cubs would not be looking to use Smoltz as a starter -- with Carlos Zambrano coming back next week, they have six capable starters already.
Smoltz has 154 career saves, posted between 2001 and 2004 with the Braves while he was trying to get his elbow back and stretched out so he could return to starting, which he did for four successful years in Atlanta from 2005-2008. As a Cub, he'd be slotted in to close, not start, however. The key stat to look at, then, is to see what Smoltz has done this year the first time he faces a batter in a game. The answer is: .250/.342/.313 in a total of 74 plate appearances by such batters. None of the nine HR allowed by Smoltz were given up the first time he faced a batter in a game.
In his eight starts, he faced the Orioles three times, the Royals, the Rangers, the Yankees, the Athletics, and the Nationals. All of those teams have pretty good offenses. The NL teams remaining on the Cubs' schedule don't, with the exception of the Dodgers and Cardinals. Smoltz is more familiar with the NL than the AL (which makes it a puzzler why he signed with the Red Sox in the first place) and he has been a successful closer.
This would be a Jim Edmonds-type move, signing a player who appears to be, as I put it last year, "D-O-N-E done", for a pro-rated portion of the major league minimum salary -- with about 1/4 of the season remaining, it would be a little over $100,000. That's less than half of one bleacher crowd.
So, I say, using the time-honored BCB phrase, "Get it done, Jim!" Via MLB Trade Rumors, there's a report that the Cardinals are interested in Smoltz to be their fifth starter.
He's more valuable to the Cubs as a closer. Let's do it. Now.
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Stay out of the way and let the Cards sign him
That might be our only shot of making up 6 games.
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by Worf on Aug 18, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We both know what will happen if the Cards sign him.
Smoltz will go 6-0 next month, save each game of the Cubs series in-between his starts, and Troy Glaus will touch the hem of his garment and be healed.
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by D98 on Aug 18, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Levine was saying he wants to be a starter...
And the Cards may land him. Here’s my opinion…If the Cubs got him, he would be only slightly better than he was with Boston, but if St. Louis grabbed him, he would have a 2.5 ERA. Yes, I’m being serious, and you all know it’s true. Case in point, Aaron Miles hit .317 for them last year.
by cubfanwill on Aug 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I was called "short-sighted" and "stupid"
when I proposed in these pages that the Cubs take a look the day he was demoted…
Even if he doesn’t throw a single ball with the big club, he’d be an invaluable asset as a coach, in the bullpen or otherwise.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was all for...
…making ’im the new pitching coach. Based on the numbers Al has shown, it could be an interesting move.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers the first time through and expectation
he will have increased velocity as a reliever (not saving anything) make this look more interesting.
Needs a poll.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could he be worse than Heilman?
I don’t see where giving him a shot at this point in the bullpen could hurt, but then again, I think this team has larger issues than the bullpen.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trey, not even lupus is worse than Heilman
This coming from both a lupus survivor and as the President of the Aaron Heilman Sucks Fanclub.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying signing Smoltz couldn't hurt?
Congratulations on both the other fronts, by the way.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my post above
And thanks. You never recover from lupus, you only put it into remission, though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say Guzman closes.
Smoltz-Marmol-Guzman sounds better than Gregg/Heilman-Marmol-Guzman.
Plus, Kevin Gregg must be punished for bringing the Brett Favre to Minnesota rumors back to life.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I thought you meant
Timmy Lupus, from the Bad News Bears.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got KILLED on this board last night for suggesting this
by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could they sign him right now?
When is the earliest they could sign him? I mean no other team is talking to him? Just sign him as long as he doesn’t mind pitching in relief.
I thought he only wanted to start.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They could sign him right now.
He was released yesterday; he’s a free agent.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather they deal for Billy Wagner
the Mets are going to move him.
by cubswin on Aug 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All for it.
I thought Hendry would have been all over it when he was put on waivers.
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by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Aug 18, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially after BJ Ryan washed out.
Don’t we have an opening for “cagey vet we’re trying to catch lightning in a bottle with” right now?
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by D98 on Aug 18, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or as it's also known
dude whose best years are long behind him, but Jim liked him once so he’s gotta be a Cub!
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No point to claim him and give up something if the Red Sox
were going to release him.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, why not...
as the closer.
It can’t get worse than going from 1 strike away to a win to a loss 2 minutes later.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he willing to close again?
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by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I suspect he would do anything...
… to play for a major league team again.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not
whats the worst thing that can happen?
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by mjk83 on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Earth esplode.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
11:11 GMT 12/21/12
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by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, why not sign Smoltz?
Without looking at the finances, can Smoltz really be worse than Aaron Heilman? I doubt Smoltz would be in favor of signing with us to be a sixth-inning guy. But if he doesn’t work out as a closer — pulls a Kevin Gregg — we can use somebody else. If he does work out …
I’m pretty sure we’re done anyway — and Lou starting a lineup that doesn’t include our hottest hitter (Baker) and includes two of our worst — Miles and Fontenot — really makes me question whether a managerial change is needed.
Lou isn’t doing much to mitigate the mistakes Hendry made in the offseason. Starting Fontenot over Baker reminds me of Dusty’s moves in 2006 to start Freddy Bynum over Ryan Theriot.
As for Hendry, I know hindsight is 20-20, blah, blah, blah. But counting on Fontenot, signing Miles, trading DeRosa, signing Bradley (a move I supported at the time) and getting Gregg (even though signing Wood for $20 million probably would have been worse) have all been really bad decisions.
It’s possible the DeRosa trade will look good in a year or two if the pitching prospects we received pan out. But as for THIS year, it was a dumb trade — even if it gave Fox a shot to show what he can do. I could go on, and lay more blame — Soto has been a major disappointment, and Soriano is verging on disaster territory.
Bottom line: The Cubs don’t have much to lose after a lot of bad moves in the offseason. I have no problem gambling on Smoltz, at this point.
by elgato on Aug 18, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
+1
The Cards are said to be very interested in Smoltz. I don’t think we’ll catch them, but I don’t want them to get any better. If we were 10-20 games out, I’d still want the Cubs to sign him.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by redivycubs on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 fantasy baseball time!
In fantasy sports, there’s always that guy that doesnt have a very good team, probably missed the draft, but somehow got lucky most of the season and is in contention for a playoff spot. Because he missed the draft and got stuck with a crappy team, he has a weird advantage over some other teams later in the season. He’s got a couple roster spots to play with so he/she does the classic drop and add of a SP, picking up some cheap Wins or K’s along the way to help him win that weeks matchup. Let’s go Hendry, make some moves to keep us in the race!
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by tony412 on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes and yes.
Fielding your best team certainly doesnt hurt your chances. Baker is the key to breaking the strangle hold that the lollipop kids have up the middle. Give me an OF of Fox, Dome and Milton. An IF of Hill, Ram, Riot, Baker, Lee. I dont think this lineup has been seen yet! Plenty of defensive replacements to be had when nec. In a long distance race you sometimes have to sprint at the end..This team is looking for the water stands (or at least the management makes it look this way). Probably just wind up with a face full of coffee aka Seinfeld. Oh well. Great post above. Lets hope we are gassed up and ready to go.
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by truelinkfence on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
got nothing to lose by talking to him
and seeing what he has, how he feels, and what he believes went wrong. then sit back and see what happens.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what he wants at this stage
Die Hard Cubs Fan that I am, it pains me to say that if he really wants the best shot at post season play he should sign with the Cards assuming they really want him.
Whatever team signs him then needs to get him to their instructional camp for a few days and see if Boston was a fluke, or the arm is gone.
by Nibbles on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speed
does anybody know how hard he is throwing these days?
by CubFaninStLouis on Aug 18, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you are trying to take are minds off last night Al
but might as well ask if the Cubs should sign Percival. Not gonna happen and it wouldn’t help.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would it hurt?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Standing 4 games back of a playoff berth with no reliable closer - why not kick the tires?
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by The Jade Scorpion on Aug 18, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bet
Plus it may move other guys around a little.
At this point, desperate moves are needed. Who knows, maybe the Cubs can catch lightning in a bottle.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And since the whole
“the players we have need to play better” thing is seemingly not going to happen, at least to the degree we need it to, ya might as well add more pieces.
by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
If Smoltz sucks, you just release him, having spent almost no money.
It’s worth a try.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same argument
that I made against B.J. Ryan. You make it sound like there is no risk here, and that is flawed thinking.
The Cubs are NOT out of the playoff hunt. What has happened so far in August is that they are rapidly giving up any margin for error. If they take advantage of the schedule in late August and September and put on a furious finish, they could still make a move. But, the best case scenario has it going down to the wire. Are you willing to risk having Smoltz blow a couple of games and have that be the difference between making or not making the playoffs? That is a huge gamble. And then you get to spend all off season wondering if the Cubs could’ve snuck in if they had gone with Guzman.
The only way this move makes sense at this point is if you are 90% sure that Smoltz can help you (don’t know how that could be the case) or if you are playing with house money, like the Cardinals.
Of course, the Cardinals have a history with successful late season scrap heap pickups (see Jeff Weaver) but do the Cubs?
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that any different
Than gambling that Guzman can handle the pressure, or alternatively, that Marmol doesn’t explode again and walk 35-40 more people this season?
by KDoggers on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't see why
Guzman or even Marmol are less risky choices for the Cubs at this point, when they simply cannot afford any more 8th/9th inning failures, then I can’t help you. Trying Smoltz would be fine if this was June or if the Cubs had some margin for error and could afford to experiment a little. Unfortunately, neither is the case.
Guzman has a 2.42 ERA, a 0.98 WHIP and .198 BAA
Smoltz: 8.32, 1.70 and .343. This ain’t 2003.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzman's numbers were put up in the bullpen, Smoltz's as a starter.
Smoltz was much better his first time through the batting order.
It IS worth a shot.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And at the risk of bringing intangibles into this...
…Smoltz is a seasoned (VERY seasoned) vet who’s seen many, many major league ninth innings. Guzman has, for the most part, pitched very well this season, but I still worry about his mental focus in the ninth and how badly his confidence would be shaken if he blew a save or two.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's so seasoned he's salty
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by tony412 on Aug 18, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a salty ol' dog alright...arggggggggg!!!
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 90% sure that he wouldn't be worse than Gregg.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is upside down logic
Lou has already announced that Gregg is out. The question is who assumes that role. The answer is pretty obvious and it ain’t Smoltz.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To take are minds off last night ? Nothing
To go after Smoltz ? Fairy Dust. Guzman is perfectly decent choice. Schmoltz has been TERRIBLE. Has anyone watched him. ? I did. You think he puts on a Cub uniform and suddenly gets good ? We have no time for experiments of this kind. Go to Guzman
Find a way to get Miles & Gregg on the DL ( have Z sit on them if necessary ) bring up Blanco and Stevens or Berg. NOW!
That will do some good. Schmoltz will not.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Schmoltz"?
What, have you moved to the Borscht Belt?
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, quit picking on Doggie Schtalker like that...
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by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schmoltz Beer: Crisp, refreshing, well-aged.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No bitter after-taste...
Well…
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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps:
Schmoltz Beer: It only tastes good in the first inning.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a load of Schlitz.
What? It’s beer.
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by Blue W on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was totally against this move when we were still in contention
and there was talk about it when he went on waivers. Now that our contention is dwindling to nothing, I say, why the hell not. If we do put him at closer, and he’s lights out, see if he’ll sign a one year deal for next year and see what happens.
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, it doesn't matter anymore
When you need to sign a 42 year old reliever with a 8.32 ERA in order to improve the bullpen you know that the Cubs are done. Thanks for trying to take our minds off that loss though.
by delusionalcubsfan on Aug 18, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
No point in using a guy who apparently, has less stuff than Kevin Gregg. Use Guzman/Marmol. The season is circling the drain, anyway. See if your young talent can do it or not.
This reminds me of the 60s when the Cubs would always sign over-the-hill pitchers as they crapped all over themselves at the end of their career when they should have retired….Robin Roberts, circa 1966.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team has been a circus the entire season.
I don’t see a reason why Smoltz couldn’t join the parade. He’d fit right in with our “lazy” ace, our fat druggie catcher, the guy that trips over railings, etc.
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by dtpollitt on Aug 18, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like where your head is at AL...
The Cubs are running out of time though, how long would it take to get Smoltz to the Major League level? Could he pitch by the weekend assuming he signed immediately?
by tripdenten on Aug 18, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
considering he was pitching at the major leagues a week ago
probably not too long
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been pitching, he could go tommorow if we needed him to
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he hasn't
He hasn’t pitched in almost two weeks. He was dfa’d. I’m assuming he’d have to do a tune-up at Iowa before stepping in and closing immediately. The Cubs do not have time to waste, the clock is ticking on their season. I’d almost rather see Smoltz starting/losing games for the Cardinals.
by tripdenten on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea
I dunno if Smotlz would do it… But I would like for this to happen. I doubt it will… I think Hendry is at home crying… ugh.
by TheHawkRules on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz or Dempster to Close?
I believe Guzman will be the Cubs’ closer for the rest of the season. However, Dempster did an adequate, though not great, job as a closer for the Cubs. We know about Smoltz’s 154 saves with Atlanta. Why not have either Smoltz or Dempster as the closer and use the one who is not the closer in the starting rotation?
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by memphiscub on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I like the idea of Smoltz as closer, and I know I don't like the idea of him starting, but...
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the ’pen, if he would accept the role. Heck, it would be like having an extra pitching coach.
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by Blue W on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
smoltz sucks as a starter this year, no thanks
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Smoltz agree to go to the pen with the Cubs?
He refused to with the Red Sox, and has a chance to be a 5th starter on a team that controls their playoff destiny in the Cards…Why would he come to the Cubs to close? Doesn’t make sense.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 18, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he's finally realized he can't pitch more than one inning or so?
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he HAS realized that...
He clearly wants to start, and if the Cards are offering that opportunity…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if the Cards want him to start
Than just let him sign with them! That would be one watch to catch up to them. He clearly doesn’t have what it takes to start anymore.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!
@JoeStrauss: Smoltz may announce decision today. Plenty to suggest he will join Cardinals. DeRosa, Wainwright lobbying heavily. TLR pushing it. #stlcards
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Won't surprise me
Having our luck Lou will pick Marmol to close
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Heilman….
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up shutting up!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're young, right?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong...
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use that line sometimes, too. Most don't get it. Good ole Bugs
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't, please explain...
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not rocket science
did you watch the clip?
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's why I feel so old right now.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could happen.
Carlos has not walked a batter in his last three outings and, technically at least, he’s “next in line.” I’m not saying that’s what Lou should do, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So glad F1 returns this weekend.
Mexi-soccer is in full swing. European leagues are also kicking off. What a time to be alive.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yellow liquids are being bagged for tossing!
Whoo-hoo! Make sure that barbed wire is set and ready to go around the chain link fences that surround the field!
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by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 18, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh dude, it's by desktop background photo!
A time-honored tradition! Only the most deserving players get the honor!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would he want to come to the Cubs?
If you had one season left in you, would you go to a team that’s hitting on all cylinders and making every move it can in order to get to the World Series yet again, or would you jump on a sinking ship?
by delusionalcubsfan on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a surprisingly lucid point from someone so delusional.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acceptance
A few days ago I saw a poll on this site asking people what stage they were at in this Cubs season: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance. I have spent most of the season alternating between the first three stages. At the point I responded to the poll I was at “Depression” because the Cubs were swept by the Phillies.
I have now reached acceptance.
by delusionalcubsfan on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't quite reached acceptance yet...
…but this road trip could put me there.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a plumber! I'm not here to fix leaks!
Sigh. I fear you are right.
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do we
have a Star Trek fan here?
Nutdrinkingamp12
Live Long and Prosper
by nutdrinkingamp12 on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Live long and don't be a Cardinals fan...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Sisko
I wish someone had asked Sisko on DS9 if the Cubs had won any World Series in the 21st century before the last Fall Classic was played in 2042, the last according to Star Trek lore. I’m afraid he would have given “no” for an answer.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 18, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Smoltz wants to start, then I wouldn't sign him.
When he was with the Red Sox, he was fine the first time through the batting order, but couldn’t get through the second time, suggesting he’s best served as a reliever at this point.
If St. Louis wants to run him out there and thinks the dip in velocity and location in innings 3-6 is acceptable, then I’m comfortable letting them do that, because I don’t think Smoltz has enough in the tank to go any more than 5-6 innings and not get pounded at some point in the game.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Smoltz would be useful to the Cubs as a closer, now that Gregg has failed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it would be worth looking into.
MLB Network did a segment recently that supports what you wrote above – in the first inning or so, Smoltz’s velocity and location were fine. He just wore down as the game went on. If he recognizes this, maybe he’ll be open to being a closer for the Cubs.
If he still insists on being a starter – and perhaps just wants to take a victory lap with a couple of his old Braves buddies – maybe he’ll go to St. Louis. Why the Cardinals would want him as a starter knowing how poorly he pitched in that role in Boston, I don’t really get.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz would be useful to Cubs as a starter or a RP
starter for the Cards or RP for the Cubs that is.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, say that again?
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's saying that if he's a starting pitcher for the Cards
he’d suck, and would thus help us.
If he’s a reliever for us, he won’t suck, and thus would help us
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhh, now I get it.
Thanks for translating.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be opposed.
I think for an inning, Smoltz would still be capable of hitting 91-93 and hitting his spots. And his arsenal of pitches (if located) far surpasses what Kevin Gregg brings to the table right now.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His presence alone far surpasses Gregg, et al
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 18, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
6 back of the Cards. 4 back in the WC with several teams in front of the Cubs for that and playing better ball.
Te Cubs are in free fall. Do you want to continue to go with what we KNOW hasn’t worked for much of the past 5 months or try something to shake up the “status quo”?
Being Smoltz is from Lansing, I’m biased. But it was the trade the Tigers to this day regret (Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz) back in 1987. Yes, I know Alexander was vital in the Tigers winning the divisional title, but after that, he was essentially done. Smoltz on the other hand was just getting started.
I see no downside in signing him.
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Smoltz choose the Cubs over the Cards?
It seems the Cards have a better shot at reaching the playoffs. The reason Smoltz has went through the surgery and rehab is to have a chance at another WS ring.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pull out all the stops. Play the Alan Trammel card.
Maybe Smoltz is a big Tram fan and could be convinced.
Then again, maybe I’m just dreaming. (Yeah, I know…)
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's also
the reason he signed with the Red Sox, which was questioned earlier in this thread.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he already has a ring
and he if he signed with the Cubs he could be the guy on the mound for the last out of a Cubs WS after 101 years.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he thinks that, he's more delusional about the Cubs than I am...
…and that’s saying something…
Then again, you never know…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 18, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Cubs elminated already?
Wow, I didn’t realize that. I can’t seem to find the information to back that up….
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get him now. Convince him how great it would be to go out a winner with the Cubs.
He’ll sign with STL to be with the great Larussa and former Brave buddies Wainwright and DeRosa.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the Cards...
will use him perfectly and be a nice piece to their playoff run.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Aug 18, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, exactly.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Aug 18, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In what world
are the Royals and Athletics pretty good offenses? The Orioles aren’t really that good either. Smoltz is probably done but I think if he signs he signs with the Cardinals.
by cubfan2201 on Aug 18, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A's have put up...
…a .284 Team BA in the 2nd half, up from .246 in the 1st.
Rajai Davis in particular has been a stud. If he could keep it up, he’s a cat I would seriously look at signing away (depending on his contract details, of course) and dropping in CF, moving Dome to Right, and letting Bradley and Fonzie platoon (ha!) in left. Or something like that.
Davis could be the new Rickey H. in the one hole, followed by Dome, etc.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "why-the-hell-not" idea
What do we have to lose anyway at this point besides Gregg?
Of course, if Smoltz blows a save or two the peanut gallery here will get restless and start calling for his head too.
by JFCubFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, we don't have one or two saves to blow at this point.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Aug 18, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not the Droid you're looking for.
He’s done.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“The key stat to look at, then, is to see what Smoltz has done this year the first time he faces a batter in a game. The answer is: .250/.342/.313”
Well, Gregg’s stats in that situation (all of the batters he’s faced) .229 / .308 / .440
Given the HR he’s given up are a huge problem, but I don’t see Smoltz has much of an improvement.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gregg has allowed 12 HR in that situation.
Smoltz, none.
I trust you can see the difference. A .313 SLG allowed vs. .440? Pretty big difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see a reason not to.
It will cost virtually nothing to get him. He would be the most experienced pitcher on the roster (he might even take rothchilds job after the season) and who else is going to close? Marmol?
I was watching baseball tonight last night at a pizza parlor after our softball game and I saw the update at the bottom of the screen go from Cubs 1 Padres 0 bottom of the ninth with two out to a 4 to 1 final in favor of the Padres and I almost Gak’d up my slice in honor of Gregg gaking up another save opportunity. I couldn’t wait to log on here and try and find a silver lining to what had happened and this is it. Thanks Al.
This could SAVE our season.
by 100yearitch on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
similar thought
Not a bad idea of having Smoltz replace Rothschild, I was actually thinking G Maddox would be a good choice.
by bigz38fan on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg MaddUX would be great choice
Gary MaddOx not so much. Maybe special outfield instructor ?
Don’t hold your breath for Maddog. He won’t be leaving Vegas but for short stretches anytime soon. Wish we could have gotten
brother Mike. Damn he is making a difference in Texas. They should have a coach of the year award as he would win that.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, an outfielder as pitching coach? ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cards intend to use him in the pen too
this from MLB.com St. Louis team site:
“Smoltz was starting for Boston, but it’s more likely that he’d fit as a reliever for the Cardinals, who have some question marks from the right side in front of closer Ryan Franklin. Pitching coach Dave Duncan acknowledged that the likely Hall of Famer holds some interest, but that there’s some question as to the night-to-night resiliency of his arm.”
by 100yearitch on Aug 18, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, in that case maybe Smoltz should choose the Cubs.
Setup man? Or closer? Who gets more attention and glory?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that what carlos and kevin
were competing for in ST? I would think smoltz would rather have the prestige of the closer role.
by 100yearitch on Aug 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning and making the playoffs...
or not making the playoffs, who gets more attention?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Aug 18, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a closer
He he’s willing to become the closer, then yes it makes some sense. I’m afraid the Cubs’ season is over right about now though. The Cards have the look of a team of destiny. How many comeback wins do they have lately? They’re feasting on other teams’ bullpens.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The way the Cubs had a the look of being
a “team of destiny” last season?
That said, taking a flyer on Smoltz wouldn’t hurt.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big difference
The Cards have won it recently.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 18, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What relevance does that have? Ai-yi-yi.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you now the Not Frito Bandito?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
There have been many repeat champions this decade if you haven’t noticed. Plus, they have the best hitter in the game, added protection in Holliday, have top-10 starters in Carpenter and Wainright, and have a great closer in Franklin. To me, they have a great recipe for success come October.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No..
Smoltz will not solve our problems, nor will any other new signings at this point. I think we revamp our bullpen from within. I’d take Stevens over Smoltz, and think Dempster or a committee of Demp/Guz/marmol should close. I can’t beleive Marmol couldn’t throw strikes this year – we REALLY needed him to step up this year and he didn’t. That ranks for me as the biggest disappointment behind the unexpected injuries
by DisCUBbobulated on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stevens over Smoltz?
You mean the guy with zero major league saves? Nope.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously this belies how little faith I have in Smoltz.. though I'll give it to you that
I might have exaggerated my doubts just a bit with the Stevens comparison.
by DisCUBbobulated on Aug 18, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Given the makeups and standings of both teams, why would you choose to play for us over the Cardinals? I’d love to be wrong, but right now it appears that we are headed in two different directions.
Still, this is good fodder while we wait for tonight’s game. Fun fun!
Dave
by Dave in the basement on Aug 18, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have absolutely nothing to lose
They should take a look at everybody.
by Mapmaker on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Billy Wagner?
It looks like he’ll be activated Friday.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wagner hasn't pitched in over a year.
Which one would YOU rather have?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
Probalby Smoltz, but a week from now that may be a different answer.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously can't believe we are having this conversation
There are some teams sniffing at him Smoltz ( feel better now that I spelled it right) but NOT as a closer just to help
their bad bullpens. If you seriously think a guy with an 8.32 ERA in the American League is a closer then I have some
land to sell you on East Fullerton. Guzman is the OBVIOUS choice here. even Marmol would be better than Smoltz.
We really have to find a way to get Miles & Gregg off the roster as they are filling up space we can use for more productive players.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those two aren't going anywhere.
After 9/1 they won’t have to be used again, though.
I still don’t see why you see this as such a bad idea. It costs almost nothing. How could anything be worse than last night?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can't be worse than last night
There is zero defence for avoiding Smoltz.
With Miles and Gregg, I think the Cubs still have about $4.5M left committed to the 2 of them combined. Too bad neither can be peddled.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We HAVE Guzman
We also have Grabow and even Marmol. What in the world has Smoltz done IN THE LAST TWO SEASONS that would make you think he can do ANYTHING. It will cost you because it will be a stupid worthless diversion.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really want Marmol to close?
That really would kill the season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want him to close
but even he makes more sense then Smoltz.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shall we bet some more Big Gulps on this?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but how to set up that bet.
Tell you what Al. Smoltz closes ONE game for the Cubs and I buy you Big Gulps for the entire homestand.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE GAUNTLET!
It has been thrown.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Aug 18, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warrior needs food badly!
Oh, wrong Gauntlet.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that when someone comes cheap people think "why not?"
Sometimes standing your ground and not taking on extra baggage means more than giving someone a shot. How many times do we have to watch this team play the released and unsigned player slot machine? It worked with Ballgame, but in the long run it almost feels like that did more harm than good because now there’s this expectation that other old or run down players will turn to gold. And there’s the money side of this. We have a ballclub that won’t spend a dime on worthwhile players that are available, but they find in in their budget to keep wasting money on giving certain players glamourized tryouts. If the they’re not going to dip into their pockets for other players made available, then they need to not be doing so for other less valuable players. It’s frustrating to see as a fan, especially when nothing comes of it. Just ride the season out and see what happens.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the answer
So you want a washed up ex "lights out " closer. CAGNE. Forget Smoltz. Eric Cagne is pitching in the Independent CAN-AM league for Quebec. Well his ERA is 4.42 but but I doubt he would be any worse than Smoltz
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
(psst . . . It's "Gagne")
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOPs
Obviously not good with pitcher spellings today. So you want Gagne ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but at this point, I'd call Lee Smith
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Al's stats are right on.
Look at his line the first time through a lineup
The OBP and slugging ratios skyrocket the second time through. 37% of at bats faced are the first time through, but only 17% of the runs and 50% of all his strikeouts. Reportedly, his velocity as a starter was hitting 90 so if he’s not saving energy for later innings, it should uptick some.
Worst case he blows a save, so status quo.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because of this
he’ll end up with the Cardinals (while Hendry is goofing around) as another piece of their WS puzzle.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 18, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg's numbers first time around
.229/.308/.440. Look at Smoltz recent games. He has gone 1-2-3 only once in the first. His fastball is topping out near 90 and reportedly is flat. His most recent K/BB ratio is a terrible 0.75. And worst of all, LHB are .440/.490/.758 with a sOPS+ 216. With RISP he’s allowing a bA of .396.
Please please please…no talk of Smoltz relieving or starting or even selling programs. The only value hs has to the Cubs is as an opposing pitcher.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have actually watched him
He is really, really bad. Let him go to Texas and Mike Maddux. If nothing else they can have a few nice golf games.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't we
For once in this season… get a player before the Cards do? I’m so tired of watching the Cards doing everything to fill their holes and having Jim Hendry twiddling his fingers as Wrigleyville burns. I don’t care if Smoltz is good enough anymore… sign him just so the Cards won’t.
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an excellent point.
If the division leader thinks the guy can help them, why shouldn’t the Cubs think the same thing?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 18, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the best logic
That’s like saying since the Pirates are in last place, every decision they make must be foolish.
Yet, a lot of baseball people think that farm system is now loaded and they made great deals.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a similar logic to making a waiver claim
The Cubs should have been claiming players who reached them so as to keep them from St. Louis.
Attempting to, and signing Smoltz, would be a move made along similar line. And frankly, it’s a low-risk, low-cost move for the Cubs to make at this point.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
And honestly, at this point… we’re 6 back. We already face a difficult enough climb if the Cards don’t get any better. If they do? Well, better hope the WC works out. If we let the Cards get better…..
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if they make him the closer
Over Ryan Franklin, they are doing the Cubs a favor.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But, do you really think that stands? Let’s say they named him their closer over Franklin and he goes out and blows a few games (worst case scenario for them). Guess what happens? TLR puts Franklin back as closer and Smoltz just becomes another BP arm which still helps them for this year and hurts us.
He really can’t be worse than Mitchell Boggs as their 5th starter, and if he’s actually good, then they really help themselves and we look like idiots again.
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
I just am not convinced he has something left. I suspect we’ll find out, one way or another.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess . . .
It just read to me as blindly thinking, “If the Cardinals want him, he must be good.”
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see where you'd see that.
I thought of it more of a preemptive waiver claim.
Right now, bringing in Smoltz reeks of throwing it against the wall and hoping it sticks, but that’s the position the Cubs have put themselves into with their 3-7 record in their last 10.
Now, if Smoltz wants to start, I can understand the logic behind letting him go – the numbers don’t bear out signing him for that. But if Smoltz is willing to go the bullpen (and the Cubs dangled the closer carrot), then the Cubs would be doing themselves a disservice by not looking into it and doing everything they can to sign him.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um if you make a waiver claim you would have to pay the guy MILLIONS
That is why he CLEARED waivers.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was just saying
The logic behind signing him so the Cards won’t is similar to the logic behind making a waiver claim on a player so another team in your division (who is ahead of you) won’t get them.
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
But the logic in signing Smoltz now, mainly because he could help the Cubs, and partially because it keeps St. Louis from further bolstering their team, is the exact same logic used in making waiver claims this time of year.
The Cubs just get to save some money on this one since Smoltz has been released.
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by Trey2317 on Aug 18, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows more about him than anyone
The Red Sox. It’s a terrible excuse to try and block the Cards. We have enough problems this year without adding an old pitcher with a bad wing to the staff. Adding Smoltz is an act of desperation. Right now all I want to see Hendry do is put players on waiver and see what response we get.
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by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, guess what,
We ARE DESPERATE! We’re six games back… if we’re not desperate now, when will we be? Besides, I’m sure they’ve already run people through waivers and no one has bit yet…
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we're in a desperate position
it’s unwise to act desperately? Would you trade Lee for 2 buckets of balls? Can you tell me who they’ve run through waivers? Frankly, I doubt Hendry has done much in that area.
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by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The waiver process is confidential
So I couldn’t tell you, but I’d guarantee they’ve tried it with some guys.
And why would we trade Lee? He’s been one of the only productive members of the team this season. That wouldn’t make any sense. Signing Smoltz wouldn’t give up anyone in a trade or anything of that sort…
by hmlee on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't suggesting we trade Lee
only that he be put on waivers along with most everyone else. At this point, we have to seriously consider the future and that will require substantial rework of our roster.
I imagine some of our players would draw great interest from contending teams. Now is a good time to get a feel for it without the risk of public scrutiny.
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by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably was.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's right about the waivers
Most players get put on them right after the deadline.
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically I guess it wasn't this season, but we did get DeRosa before the Cards did... ;-)
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by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But when he was available again
They got him first :p
by hmlee on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow....
how quickly things change…
i got shot down for this very idea just 12 days ago
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 18, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't take it to heart
these are the same folks who said:
1) Matt Holliday can’t hit away from Coors Field
2) Peavy’s season and maybe career was over
3) Cliff Lee was a bad trade for the Phillies
4) The Cubs should sign B.J. Ryan
I could go on, but you get the idea…
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I advocate trying to sign Smoltz now, I'm not
sure I would have wanted the Cubs to give up any talent in trade.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said any of the first three
I don’t think I posted on Ryan but the Cubs lost nothing so I don’t really care. Smoltz is a distraction . We have enough from within to
fill a closers role and Smoltz IS NOT A CLOSER.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don' think
I mentioned you (or anyone) by name, but those who made those arguments know who they are.
Smoltz was a great closer. But, as has been pointed out elsewhere, he has given up 8 HRs in 40 innings, lefties have a .466 BABIP and 1.248 OPS against him and his breaking pitches (slider and splitter – once amongst the best in baseball) are now as flat as pancakes. I’m sure Duncan and TLR have seen that and said “we can fix that”. Do you have any confidence that Rothchild could do the same?
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My confidence in Rothschild has never wavered.
(never had any)
Smoltz’s numbers are interesting. Look at his splits over his first time through an order and at pitches 1-25. He’s been strong
All of Gregg’s HR’s have been pitch 1-25. Smoltz full stats stink, but there might be something salvagable in brief appearances, like that of a closer.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone really say the Cliff Lee trade was bad?
And the Cubs SHOULD have signed B.J. Ryan – it was a low-risk move that didn’t pay off. It didn’t hurt to try. And let’s see how Peavy does against major league hitters before we proclaim him back in action. I’m not saying he’s done, because I think he’ll do OK, but the jury is still out on that one.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB B.S.
“cliff lee – a one hit wonder a flash in the pan a nobody.” Posted right after the trade.
B.J. Ryan was a waste of time and resources. Had no chance to come out any way but the way it did. Ryan himself pulled the plug. No, it was not worth the effort. What ever time they spent scouting and evaluating him could have been put to productive use.
Peavy is back pitching. How he does when he pitches for the Sox is irrelevant (although trust me, he will do fine). The statement that was made, based on nothing, was that he was likely done for the year and maybe for his career. That was patently B.S., but typical of what you see here. He has already proven that to be a lie – so what he does from here out is irrelevant to the point.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, who said any of that about Cliffy?
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, exactly, did Ryan cost them?
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that about Cliff Lee.
Ryan was a worthwhile gamble. It cost them few dollars and no major league games.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but... but...
the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY
by jesus christos on Aug 18, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that about Cliff Lee.
Ryan was a worthwhile gamble. It cost them few dollars and no major league games.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sensing a trend here
When did I say that you said that? When I quote a poster, why do people assume I am quoting them?
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you're going to go through the trouble of searching for and then posting a quote...
…why not just post the original poster’s name as well? That would eliminate any confusion.
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by ballhawk on Aug 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply because
I am not trying to out anybody and it isn’t important. The poster asked if someone actually was criticizing the Lee trade and I responded. If it is important to you to know who the author was, search for it yourself.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and
the fact that someone assumes I am quoting them when I post something with quotes around it is not something I take responsibility for!
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can i quote you on that?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I don’t recall anyone saying the Cliff Lee deal was a bad one for Philly. If you do, more power to you.
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it is right
there in the original thread. It’s not like I made it up.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then link it
My God, if you’re going to cite something, be prepared to at least link to it, otherwise you look like you’re just either misquoting or pulling something from your butt.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care
whether you or anyone else thinks I am misquoting. The poster asked a question and I responded. I am under no obligation to provide a link for you. If you are curious to see the actual post and you are too lazy to look it up yourself (it takes all of about 15 seconds) then tough.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so...
… but doesn’t that seem like an ass backwards way to convince somebody of something and / or make a valid and mind-changing argument?
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 18, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to contribute there champ.
You could at least not contradict yourself with your predictions about this team, or wanting to trade Ramirez, or your opinions on Lou as a manager.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I looked.
And you are going to condemn a community on one comment from one poster?
Really?
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol wat?
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holliday...
…sure was a bum up here in Oakland. It looked like Billy Beane paid ’im $13.5-million to shag the occasional fly ball.
At the plate, he looked rather, well, pathetic. It’s a moot point at the moment, but I think he has a real problem with AL-pitching.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 18, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday got off to a slow start
in Oakland. Not unusual when changing leagues. But, he was already starting to heat up before the trade. Nobody who watched him in the last couple of years had any doubt the guy was for real. The boost he has given the Cardinals is no suprise.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Holliday had no protection whatsoever in that weak Oakland batting order. Opposing pitchers never faced any consequences for pitching around him. Different story in St. Louis and the results show it.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't really think he's going to hit .450 the rest of the year, do you?
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by Al on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Didn’t you ask that 10 days ago?
What I think is that he will continue to make a huge difference for the Cardinals, which is what I said when the trade was announced. You, OTOH, said Holliday would not be the hitter he was for the Rockies. Care to revise that?
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In one sentence - the epitaph of the Cubs 2009 season.
It’s been 5 straight months of listening to posters say “our guy can’t possibly stay this bad”, and “our opponent can’t possibly stay this good.”
Unfortunately, it turns out, they both can. Sometimes the times change, and you have to swim to keep up, or risk drowning.
(Not directed at you, Al -) What I can’t stand is the pseudo-enlightened, patronizing attitude that gets thrown around here, as though only an “idiot” or a “psychotic” would be troubled by a particular Cub hitting .220 for 4/5 of the season when his “career averages” dictate that he’ll improve dramatically, and in short order.
Sometimes, a guy just loses it.
And in Fontenot and Soto’s cases, to name two – the career averages are small sample sizes. Unless players are hiding injury, what we’re seeing is actually more likely to be what we’ll get going forward.
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by D98 on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We both know he won't, Al.
In his last eight at bats against the Dodgers he’s 1-8. Haeger & Billingsley both owned ’im.
He’s down now to .430, and we’ll see what happens tomorrow in Game Three. I don’t expect much to be different.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody thought...
…that Giambi was that washed up, and Chavez is out with season-ending back ending surgery. A horrible set of circumstances accounted for that “lack of consequences.”
Holliday can hit, of that I have no doubt, but his heating up coincided almost directly with the team’s overall performance. The Coliseum is notoriously hitter unfriendly, but a 33-point drop in BA is a lot whether you’re “adjusting” to a new league or not.
But the A’s got Wallace. If the Cards even somehow manage to get a WS (they won’t), and can’t work out an extension with Holliday, Billy B. will have hosed ’em again. The Yankees will come knocking, and nobody turns down Yankee money.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 19, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Greg Maddux
nobody turns down Yankee money
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is flip-flopping though
and it’s not like everyone that’s posting in this thread is for this. Now, had Al been the one to tell you, “What? Seriously? That would never work!” and then this, ok, but I don’t think it was like that at all.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, 6 back, Gregg blows another save,
Is this desperation? Hell yes!
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what the flip-flop comment
has to do with anything – (" I don’t want John Smoltz — I think he’s done" wrote Al the day Smoltz was released).
This is simply a difference of opinion. Al and others think the Cubs should pursue Smoltz. Jessica and I (and one or two others) think it is tantamount to throwing an anvil to a man who has fallen overboard.
I don’t think there is much of a chance this will happen – the reports I have read don’t even mention the Cubs as one of the teams looking at Smoltz – but if it does, we can agree to disagree and see how it works out.
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I had responded to Dartmouth, but whatever.
He took offense to ridicule he may have received for saying we should go after Smoltz, and now people want him. I told him that it may seem that way, but people aren’t exactly flip flopping because those same people are still not on board with this idea…I thought I was clear with what I said, but perhaps I wasn’t.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Gotcha
Sometimes when the reply posts well below the original post, it is hard for me to line up the post and the reply.
Carry on -
by azjazzman on Aug 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you hit "up", it scrolls up to the "parent" that a comment is a reply to
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 18, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 days ago, we were what? 2 games back? Less?
the idea of putting a guy out there with an 8.32 ERA was ridiculous. We are now officially in “what do we have to lose” territory now
by Illicat on Aug 18, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
did anyone notice the year Matsuzuka is having? The can’t miss pitcher now can’t miss any bats.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Been on the DL a lot though.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 18, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of controversy
between him and the Red Sox. I have to wonder if his change of schedule had anything to do with it. Wasn’t he going on 6 days in Japan? Or maybe the gyroball was to stressful on his arm.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras hypes his clients
more than the Yankees hype their prospects.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I’d forgotten he was a Boras future Hall of Famer. But he does get great results, doesn’t he?
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
…why not, it could be worth a try.
One caveat though; don’t let Rothschild get within 50 feet of him.
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by MPH73 on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just have two questions on
Smoltz: Can he play 2B? and Does he hit left-handed?
I would think some of the areas golfers also would be pissed as one more premium tee-time would be unavailable, at the best courses.
by The E-Man on Aug 18, 2009 4:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz
I say why not give it a try. Could he possibly screw things up as bad as the “great Kevin Gregg”. I think that is virtually impossible.
by Father57(Da Godfather) on Aug 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Al Yellon Reality Tour...when does it start???
I’m waiting for Al Yellon to pull his head out of his keester and admit that the 2009 Cubs are F.I.N.I.S.H.E.D. And have been so for weeks regardless the distance in the standings between the Cardinals and us.
But until Al Yellon is ready to look at things objectively and / or stops transmogrifying BCB into a social chat board for the kool-aid drinkers, then I guess we will have to deal with trial baloons floated like this one. Really Al??? A 42 year old John Smoltz whose arm hangs on by baling twine and can no longer get anybody out?!? HE’S the silver bullet solution.
79 to 83 wins folks. And no promise of the Ricketts family closing the deal to buy the Cubs until well after the offseason begins, meaning ONE more God-forsaken year of Jim Hendry at the helm.
Go Bears and Blackhawks.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for the love of God....
if that happened would you then muster the capacity to shut the fuck up about it? Really? If Al said that, would you…could you….go the rest of this “lost” season without gleefully announcing to us again how dead this team is – how bad the roster is – how inept our GM is – how terrible our payroll is – how empty our farm system is – how idiotic our fanbase is – how blind our scouting department is – how juvenile we all here are – ? There isn’t a doubt in my mind that you can’t.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nitpicking, isn't it...
These go to “11”
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by BLou on Aug 18, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you wern't to be gracing us with your presence again this season...
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