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Lou needs to find a new line of work.

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It's fairly obvious that Lou Piniella doesn't have the fire for it anymore. With the sale of the team at a standstill, and nothing being done to improve the team, Lou just keeps trotting the same inept players out there in hopes that they will play up to their salary.  But it.s not working. The players know that they don.t have to perform well and will still be in the lineup. Why break thir rearends if they don't  have to?  Alfonso Soriano should have been warming the bench for 90% of this season. Ryan Theriot is still living off of last years hustle and now thinks he's a power hitter. I am still trying to remember some small thing that Aaron Miles has contributed to the team effort this year but I'm having difficulty. The pitching staff, with the exception of Lilly and Wells couldn't find the strike zone with a telescope and Zambrano will obviously never grow up.  We have Guzman and Marshall in the bullpen. The rest are pretty much useless. But Lou won't bench anyone, Hendry won't trade anyone so for the Cub faithful it's pretty much over. I only hope that the new owners are watching closely. If they are, be on the lookout for a large truck to be backing up to the Wrigley Field Gates.

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Ryan Theriot is still living off of last years hustle and now thinks he’s a power hitter.

Really? I thought he’s been hitting around .300 all year and only has 7 hrs. His strikeouts are up a little but so are his triples and RBIs. Although I agree this season is toast, Theriot is the least of my concerns.

by smash! on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theriot's not the problem.

His defense is below average, but he’s been solid at the plate. And don’t forget that he’s making a relatively modest $500K this year. A very good value in my opinion.

by STLCubby on Aug 19, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We.re done?
I am still trying to remember some small thing that Aaron Miles has contributed to the team effort this year but I’m having difficulty.

Wow you.ve really softened it up a bit on Miles, don.t ya think?

As for everyone else mentioned – you.re really painting with broad strokes.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 19, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We're done? Trotting out the same old players?

Who else is Lou going to “trot out”? New ones from???

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Aug 19, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

he’s just going to make the old players canter. then gallop.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out here in the West

We call that a lope

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 19, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa whoa

One question at a time PLEASE!

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 19, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Maybe this is good news. Every time we see one of these posts, the Cubs go on a winning streak.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 19, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Before the 2008 NLDS, Where Were the Posts Like...

the Cubs are going to foul up beyond all recognition against the Dodgers? If those posts had been on BCB, the Cubs might have gone 11-0 in the postseason last year.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not go now and jinx them from even making it?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 19, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good idea

the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY

by jesus christos on Aug 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers are struggling.

There’s still a glimmer. Their starting pitching is hurt. The bull pen is failing. No hitting. (Sounds familiar) Manny isn’t Manny. That’s why the trip to the Ravine could be better than expected.

The Rockies are now breathing down the throats of the Dodgers

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh.

I detect faux rec’s coming.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 19, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles

Hit a double once this year.. I think at least one RBI came from it…

by FloridaCubsFan on Aug 19, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're absolutely right.

People here will bash you, but this season is completely over. I’m looking to next season.

by Theroid on Aug 19, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the season might be over

But Theriot doesn’t deserve the crap he got in this post. And Hendry has made trades.

by elgato on Aug 19, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love for the Cubs...

…to find a stellar SS, but I have to say Theriot gets the most out of his abilities and is not one of the major problems with the Cubs.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 19, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trades for the better?

He’s done nothing but downgrade this team from last season.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 20, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

coughcough Jeff Baker, John Grabow, Tom Gorzelanny coughcough

And, no, I’m not saying any of those guys are worldbeaters, but they’re all valuable pieces that were acquired in pretty reasonable deals. Hell, even Ryan Freel was a decent Hail Mary at a backup third baseman – he was just too injured and too, well, done to do the team much good there.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Those trades were good, but too little too late for this season. Hopefully, the Rockies and/or Cards somehow stumble while the Cubs get red-hot.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 20, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear racertom,

Good to have you onboard! I’ll look forward to your musings during the offseason, right after “a large truck […] back[s] up to the Wrigley Field Gates.”

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alfonso Soriano should be warming the bench at this point

Yeah, I know the Soriano situation is a dead horse that’s had all its flesh flogged off, but I’ve had it with him. I’ve thought from the beginning that the contract he got was nothing short of ridiculous. If he’d been offered four or five years at $18 million and turned it down, I doubt if anyone would have blamed Jim Hendry and he would have been someone else’s problem. Instead of being a 40/40 or even a 30/30 guy, I think the Cubs will be fortunate if he steals another forty bases over the duration of his contract. As it is, the Cubs are essentially paying him for the big numbers he put up in the past. The word “hustle” doesn’t seem to be in his vocabulary, he doesn’t have a clue about baseball fundamentals, and lately it looks like he just doesn’t even care any more. Yes, he’s carried the team from time to time in the past, but his slumps and abominable defense just don’t balance the equation. Of course, there’s always the possibility that he’s playing hurt, but if that’s the case, he’s not doing the team any favors and he should be put on the DL until he’s healthy.

I would be willing to wager that there would be little or no outcry if he were to be benched for awhile in favor of Jake Foxx, Sam Fuld, and Reed Johnson when he returns from the DL. Sure, “conventional wisdom” dictates that you don’t bench someone making that kind of money, but it’s hard to imagine there are very many Cubs fans who don’t already consider his contract money down the drain. He’s being paid to help the team, and right now the best way he can do that is to take a seat.

Sorry for the rant, but this is something I’ve had to get off my chest for awhile. Thanks for your indulgence.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 19, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hendry offered 8 years

because that’s what he thought it would take to sign him. Because he WANTED to sign him, as did most of the rest of the league. He didn’t — and frankly, should be fired if he ever does this — offer a contract hoping it would be “turned down” without getting blamed. The goal was for the contract NOT to get turned down.

Is he a 40/40 guy anymore? No, clearly not. Leg injuries have taken their toll and will keep that from ever happening again in all likelihood. But Hendry couldn’t have known that when he signed him.

by Orval Overall on Aug 19, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry offered eight years because the Angels had offered seven.

Pure and simple.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 19, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orval - You misunderstand

I didn’t mean that Hendry should have offered a contract hoping it would be refused. You’re right, that would have been idiotic. I’m saying that, given Soriano’s age at the time, a four year or maybe a five year contract would have been the sensible offer to make. If he wouldn’t have signed for that, Hendry should have wished him all the best and let him sign elsewhere. Yes, he couldn’t have foreseen the leg injuries, but it’s a fact of baseball life that most guys in their mid- to late thirties are not going to be huge threats to steal anyway. In a year or so, he still would have been a guy with some pop and no clue what to do on the bases or in the field.

And I truly believe that had Soriano signed elsewhere, maybe there would have been some grumbling, but at this point people would probably be heaving huge sighs of relief and praising Hendry for his admirable foresight and self-control.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 19, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose I didn't phrase that right

I meant Hendry Hendry should only have been willing to offer four or five years. I don’t know the chronology of the offers, but if the Angels offered Soriano seven years, Hendry should have packed it in and looked for a better way to spend the Tribune’s money. Bottom line—you don’t give an eight-year, heavily back loaded deal to a guy who’s already over thirty. If he’d been twenty-seven, that’s a different story and I wouldn’t be complaining about it (at least not nearly as much).

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 20, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point was...

… to announce that the Cubs were going to be players in the free-agent market. Soriano was the premier free agent that offseason.

Many of us said at the time that if the Cubs won in the first 2-3 years of the deal, we wouldn’t care about the last five years of the deal.

That window is closing, but it’s still open.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They paid too much...

…especially considering they viewed him as their leadoff guy. I’ll bet the Angels were considering him for the middle of the order.

Hendry has clearly has over paid for some players and has handed out too many no trades which will make it very expensive to go in a different direction. In my mind, giving 10 mil and a no trade to spellcheck was really really uncalled for, and that one flies under the radar.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

Who’s spellcheck?

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 20, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Samardzija.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, thanks.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giving up? Really?

So I assume you won’t be following the team any more this year?

Sorry, but I get really frustrated with posts like these. I’m just as disappointed as anyone with the way this team has underachieved, but why do you feel it necessary to declare the season over? Lou has no fire. Sorianno’s struggled. Miles is worthless. Blah, blah, blah. How about an orginal thought or meaningful piece of criticism?

Better yet, why not just suck it up and support your team until they’re eliminated.

by STLCubby on Aug 19, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo!

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Aug 19, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then support them so more!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

make that "some more"

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suck it up?

I’ve been doing that for 61 years! I’ve earned the right to criticize. Those things about Soriano, Miles and Lou are true and obvious to most. I will not suck it up and support an organization that isn’t trying to improve.

by racertom on Aug 20, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you're a lot older than I thought you were.

In any case, you’re either preaching to the choir here or beating horses that have long been dead. Not that I agree with everything you’ve said.

The starting staff beyond Lilly and Wells hasn’t been all that bad, and Ryan Theriot is actually having a pretty decent season – if he can hang on, he’ll post the highest OPS of his career.

It’s also pretty funny that you say “Hendry won’t trade anyone” when he traded Gathright earlier in the season, brought aboard Jeff Baker when he could, and then bolstered the pitching staff with the Grabow-Gorzelanny deal.

But, hey, last night’s win aside, I’m guessing many Cubs fans will need to get a rant or two off their chests as this season draws to a close. So welcome aboard.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

I almost choked on my Diet Coke, but it was totally worth it.

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Aug 19, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WRECK!!!

Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)

This season has long been over. krummy12 (6/30/09)

by joeschmitt on Aug 19, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come back from the ledge or

jump off – but if you do you’ll miss jeff baker leading the cubs to the playoffs!!!

by doofus cubs guy on Aug 19, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The season has been over for a long time

The only thing is that Cub fans lived in denial given what they saw in the NL Central standings. But anybody with a functioning brain could see that this team has not been the same since the 2008 playoff debacle against the Los Angeles Dodgers. Not once during 2009 have the Cubs looked good for a sustained stretch. Not once.

And don’t expect for miraculous improvement next year. Soriano, Kosuke and Milton will be back, which is highly problematic indeed. And Hendry is already taken the payroll beyond reasonableness at $135 million. Plus the ownership thing isn’t resolved, meaning Jim Hendry IS going to be back.

Might as well start talking about Starlin Castro and Josh Vitters, and hope like hell they can be something to get excited about in the future. The present and near-term future is U.G.L.Y. But then again I’ve been telling you that for a long time now.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 19, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and your point is, exactly?

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Aug 20, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not over yet people.

There are over 40 games left. Win or lose I intend to enjoy as many as I can before the long winter sets in.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 19, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't the 'back up the truck'

philosophy get enough discussion in today’s news? Why another thread? Besides as was discussed, the Cubs don’t need to do that.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like someone's getting a head start...

…on his first essay for English class this semester! Way to go, Tom!

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 19, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, buy the way...

You can pound sand.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awwww, it's just like ol' times!

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buy the way?

Is the “way” for sale?

by Kansas25 on Aug 20, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

♪♫ I want youuuuuuuuuuuuuu to show me the way, ay ♪♫

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Show me the way to San Jose...

“(fancy musical note icon Daver has discovered and employed ad nauseum)”

by Kansas25 on Aug 20, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean...

♪♫ Do you know the way to San Jose? ♪♫

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Chicago ... it's easy

Interstate 80 west, then Interstate 880 south … takes you right into downtown San Jose.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Road trip!

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ever driven cross country?

Great time!

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 22, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aug 27 - Sep 15

All I have to say this is their stretch to potentially stay in the race and make things interesting. It looks bad now but they might be better in a few weeks. Let’s re-evaluate then.

by ak123 on Aug 19, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The usual cast of kneejerks yelling "Oh Snap" ..

Forget all of you ledge jumpers. Go waste bandwidth somewhere else.

There’s a whole bunch of ball to play and for all of your vast baseball experience, you still haven’t learned how things can change overnight in this. The Cubs could go on a tear and you’d still be beefing, a tear that could change things.

Cubs fans actually being fans of the Cubs .. what a novel concept.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Aug 20, 2009 1:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh snap

What the heck does that mean? Is that a baseball term? Being a fan of the Cubs does not make me blind or ignorant of what’s happening in front of my face . I hope you’re right and the Cubs go all the way. But if you really believe that, I’ve got a great “closer” i’ll sell you cheap that Hendry got for us .

by racertom on Aug 20, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no such illusions .. however, things can and might change

listening to people wail like it’s the end of September gets irritating after a while .. and it’s a free country, so I’ll say so

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Aug 20, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stick a fork in this post

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 20, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will officially decide whether or not to give up on September 20th..

That’s the end of a 3 game series at St Lous. We’re 4 back now in the loss column, and can make three games up there. This team hasn’t played well, but still has potential that could show up at any time. There is still hope

by DisCUBbobulated on Aug 20, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

marquis

if the rockies make the playoffs then this guy is better than a friggin rabbits foot. plays with the braves-makes the playoffs every year. plays with the cards-they make the playoffs every year. plays with the cubs- they make the playoffs every year. so there you go. thats why we wont go to the postseason this year. not because of injuries or poor player performance. because we traded marquis.

by NOMAR on Aug 22, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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