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5 Things you want the Cubs to do now for 2010


Obviously, if I were listing a top 5 for 2009 it would look like this:

1) Win

2) Win

3) Win

4) Win

5) win

 

However, with Wait 'Til Next Year growing in intensity, what are 5 things you want to see done to prepare for next year -

 

1)  Shut Down Wells - Let him have a couple or three more starts over the next few weeks, but when the futility of the battle becomes obvious, pull the plug.  That's basically 10-15 days down the road and the playoff picture will be far clearer.  If it remains the way it is, shut him down.

2)  Surgery for Aramis - If, as has been suggested, Ramirez needs surgery to repair his shoulder, DO IT NOW.  Don't wait until December and hope he's ready for Spring Training.  And even if he doesn't need surgery, I'd still install Fox at 3rd for the rest of the season and let Ramirez heal on his own.

3)  Marmol stays closer for good - He has to be tested and if the Cubs get half a dozen more save opportunities it'll be a good indication of whether to count on him for 2010.

4)  Cut Miles, bring back Blanco, deal Baker and move Theriot to 2nd base.  Theriot is a second baseman, he just doesn't have the arm or range to play a good defensive shortstop.  I'm not a Theriot basher like some around here as I like his game.  But I love his game when it's batting 8th and playing 2nd base.  Get him used to his new position and work up a plan to fill this hole at short.

5)  Get Soto a dietician and a personal trainer.  I want to see him in the tightest shape of his life when he reports for Spring Training.

 

Well, what say you?

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The near-term future is bleak

1. The Ricketts ownership transition isn’t going to happen in time for the offseason, meaning JIm Hendry is coming back.

2. The payroll is already sky high at $135 and extremely doubtful to be expanded any further.

3. Cubs have a preponderance of veterans whose health and best years are in the rearview mirrow.

4. Plugging holes with journeyman minor leaguers isn’t going to work. Expecting names like Fontenot, Fox, Hoffpauir, Fuld and Hill to be viable longer-term answers is as silly as thinking once upon a time that Matt Murton was a viable longer-term answer.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 19, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't disagree with any of these...

2, 4, and 5 are the ones I feel strongest about (especially #2).

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 19, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see if Dome can be a full time player again.

12mil for a platoon player is too much. I know he’s struggled with lefties, but lets see if he can handle the full time load. Plus, if he ends up our leadoff again, it would be nice if our leadoff wasn’t a platoon player.

I like your points Gibbon, Wells should be shut down or dinished soon. And if we fall out, make an immediate appt for Aram with surgery. Like the next day or two of hopelessness. (not yet) And I would love to see how Marmol would do as closer. Good forward thinking points.

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by KaliCub on Aug 19, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't get the inability...

…to hit Lefties. It seems like baseball is turning into specialization akin the NFL. Pretty soon we’ll have “specialist hitters” who can only be used with RISP during Tuesday day games, with one-out on the board.

In all serious though, I keep wondering why Dome isn’t taking LHP-exclusive BP. Let him build up some consistency in practice, and then see if he can replicate it during the season. Early in the season, preferably.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get it either

I realize everything in MLB is exponentially more difficult than at any other level, but right handed hitters face right handed pitchers seemingly every day of their lives from the day they enter baseball. Anyone who’s played baseball would agree that it’s generally tougher to hit a ball that starts at you and breaks away from you than vice versa, but it shouldn’t be that hard, especially for a professional.

What’s even more mind boggling to me are those hitters whose splits are drastically different (ie. those who hit .285 right handed and .240 left handed). Why not just hit righty full-time? Is it that important to them to not face a ball that breaks away from them?

by Zonk on Aug 20, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have immense respect for you GJ,

but what you’re saying is “the Cubs are done in 2009,” or what?

This post would be great for a mid-November morning, though.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mid-November?

Shutting down wells, aramis, testing marmol, moving theriot aren’t really options then as it’ll be too late.

I’m not saying the cubs are done in 2009. I’m leaning more towards the cubs will be done in 2009 by Sept. 1.

;)

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get it

and I’m sorry if I sounded like the resident sanctimony. I just think that it’s still warm out, the trees have leaves, the ivy at Wrigley is still thick—there are still other diversions to be had before we worry about offseason topics.

For example, your Wells argument is very valid. I say shut him down after this trip (if they can’t at least break even), so he can recover and come back strong in March.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't take your comment poorly at all...

so nothing to apologize for. It’s all Kool and the Gang.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 19, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

♪Celllllllabrate good times♫

Come on (Daver)! I can’t believe he didn’t jump on that.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 20, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

♪♫ Get down, get down! Get down, get down! ♪♫

(From the “Pulp Fiction” soundtrack, of course.)

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barring a total mind-warping change in performance...

…. the Cubs are done in ’09. There are just way too many hurdles to overcome. Sorry.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Aug 19, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accountability

Is what this organization needs as a whole. From the top to the bottom. Here’s my partial list:

1) Rid every coach at the Major League Level. It’s time for a change. Fundamental mistakes are an everyday part of this team’s failure and has been for a few years now. Baserunning blunders, out of shape players, high priced talent loafing etc. This among other things is exactly what our Mgr and his staff don’t do. Playing time should be earned not expected!

2) No Contracts over 3 years ever again no matter what! Players generally always play better during their contract year’s. Amazing how many injuries a player can play through with his contract almost up.

3) Zambrano needs to get his eye surgery and get on a closely monitored diet/exercise plan as does Geo and the rest of the team. If Rami needs surgery-get er done!

4) Dump Miles and Heilman. I don’t expect big changes nor do we need them. I think we have until 2011 to somewhat compete before a full player renovation plan needs to be put into place. Hiring better minor league staff, scouts, advisers etc. To get this team to where it needs to be it’s gonna take 3-5 years and were gonna have to all realize it. I mean we’ve waited this long, what’s another few years when your a Cubs fan.

More to Come at a later time……

About to smoke some BCB’ers in our draft!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 19, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1) Rid every coach at the Major League Level. It’s time for a change.

I believe they call this “throwing the baby out with the bathwater.”

2) No Contracts over 3 years ever again no matter what!

Congratulations, now no good free agents will sign with the team and no current players will sign extensions. That’s a huge improvement!

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For once, you and I are in 100% agreement.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of Course you do!

You made countless posts when others brought up the idea of John Smoltz, stating he was D-o-n-e etc. Only to wait a week and suddenly start begging mgmnt to sign him in post. Al I respect you alot and enjoy the work you do but at times you ride the fence too much. You seem to change stances daily.

You have done it to me several times before. I remember saying last year we should get Maddux back. Again you jumped all over the NO train, only to change your stance yet again days later.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess...

… you’d rather have me take a position, and never ever ever ever change my mind on it, even when presented with good evidence? Just stand pat forever?

I’d like to think I can change my mind when presented with good arguments.

If you want to be rigid in your sports beliefs, go right ahead.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's their to agree about....

When I say Fire all the major League coaching. I’m not saying they were bad hirings or making a ledge jumping statement. The fact of the matter is though their time has passed. Like it, love it or whatever, Hendry saddled this team with atrocious contracts. Their not going anywhere or as Wreckard put it the bathwater will not be thrown out.

In all honesty the talent level this team has is actually pretty damn good all things considered. What’s not good is the daily fundamental mistakes, lolly gagging, baserunning blunders, the horrible bullpen management, player accountability so on and so forth. That falls under team coaching/staff.

For the record I wanted Lou over Giradi for the knowledge, fire, and his resume. It is blatently clear to me that Lou would be better served having Sunday dinners with his family, traveling, and spending alot of time with his grandchildren at this point in his life. I’m pretty sure Larry needs a break or at least his facial expressions tell me so.

I don’t see anyone else in the ranks ready and again I want a wholesale change. I would love to see a Charlie Manuel or Leyland type in the dugout. Nothing in the world makes me madder than fundamental mistakes day after day that my 10 yr old don’t even make anymore. I’m tired of it and it has went on long enough!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a new manager is to be hired...

… he’d probably be allowed to choose his coaches, most managers do. I’m not sure what a Leyland or Manuel could do that Lou hasn’t.

You’re right about the fundamental mistakes. But what is the answer?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to find it...

One thing’s for sure the sensible side of me says we aren’t buyers in the offseason nor do we need to be. I can find every gripe,moan, and complain about this team but I’m to the point where I know spending money isn’t the answer. The Yanks prove that yearly.

 Manuel benched Rollins. Leyland benched Magglio. When Jose Reyes is healthy he’s light years better than Theriot in talent but he will never play to full potential because he don’t have the drive. He’ a showboating loafer.

I kinda have the opinion youth brings energy and some of our older statesman are bringing the energy down due to big contracts and being stuck in their ways. I don’t know what I’m looking for here. I’ve rambled on and on trying to give myself the answer I guess. I think about it everyday. One thing that won’t change in my mind is the lack of fundamentals and accountability on this team.

I’ve always liked Hendry and overall I think he’s done a good job. I mean a part of me says the ownership circus has had a hand in what he’s done. Spend spend quick and try to buy wins so we can max out the sale price. BUT its time for a complete change in organizational philosophy. With that being said that raises a question in my mind. Are we the fans gonna allow it to run its course and get it overhauled and headed the right way or will we the fans put so much pressure on ownership to spend spend spend that it becomes unbearable and they give in—Only doing a half ass rebuild to satisfy us?

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is the bathwater as you call it...

Cost too much. We can’t afford the good free agents anyway, so were gonna have to make what we have play to potential and sitting in the dugout half asleep isn’t getting it done.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our major league coaches cost too much?

Talented management costs money; I’m not sure what your point is here.

We can’t afford the good free agents anyway

We have a lot of money coming off the books in the next few years, combined with a new ownership situation that might change the payroll drastically. Some fans seem to have this odd need to advocate fiscal conservatism from the Cubs, when in fact they’re one of the most popular and profitable teams in the majors, and should be expected to spend as such.

sitting in the dugout half asleep isn’t getting it done.

My favorite – favorite – lazy criticism in the world is when fans criticize coaches for not doing enough. There are certain things, as fans, that we can and can’t know – and one of the things none of us knows is what players and coaches do behind closed doors. Nothing is more hilarious to me than when fans like you call out a player or coach for being lazy or not doing enough or whatever.

I think it’s absolutely fair game to call a player or coach out for their results or strategy, but none of us have the slightest what level of preparation and work they’re putting into things behind closed doors.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite lazy criticism is:

“These players have no fire! They don’t care! They don’t want to win!”

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is right along side something like

“What they did to us!”

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "poor fundamentals" one is right up there too

Yeah, the “no fire” thing is great as well.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any need to shut down Wells

He has shown no sign of wearing out and it is not like Lou lets him throw 100 or more pitches per game. I see no reason to baby him. If A-Ram needs surgery 45 days is not going to make a big difference. I am on record as favoring
getting Blanco up over Miles though I prefer it be done by ‘injury" or voluntary minor league assignment if possible.
“Deal Baker’ Um am I missing something. He has been excellent and Blanco is NOT an everyday SS.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 19, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree on ARam...

6 weeks is a long time when you’re talking about rehab from shoulder surgery. It may be too early now, but if we slip further out then they need to seriously consider getting the surgery soon.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 19, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That surgery requires about 2 weeks of immobilization

as it is now arthroscopic. Even if he had it in late December, he’d be at full-strength by ST.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could take months...

Of rehab to get a shoulder back to full strength and mobility, especially for a power-hitter like Ramirez that relies on that front shoulder to help generate power on his violent swings. The sooner the better imo.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 19, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, of course the sooner the better

But having gone through that particular surgery myself, I know he’ll be good as new with about two months of rehab—Ramirez being a world-class athlete.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify...

Did he have a an AC joint separation, or a dislocation in the shoulder joint? The reports were mixed for a while, and I’m still trying to find out what it was exactly. I’ve had AC joint sprains, and those were brutal… couldn’t imagine a full separation.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 19, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Full separation

It’s horrible pain either way.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 19, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As to Baker and Blanco...

The first question is do you believe Baker to be the Second Baseman of the future for the Cubs? Maybe you do and I can respect that conclusion based on his performance in a Cubs uniform, but I’m not sold on him as a long term solution. If you think Baker has second base locked up, then stick with the Baker/Theriot middle infield.

As I said in #4 – Blanco at short is not the long term solution, it’s merely putting a better glove in the position, getting Theriot a month at second and putting together a solution for the SS problem the team is experiencing right now.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 19, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about "long term"

but I have no problem with Baker for next year. I do not see Theriot as a 2B and I don’t any SS options for next year either.
Blanco is not a long term starter but he is useful off the bench and he should have the right to compete for that spot starting THIS year.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 19, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blanco as your everyday SS is not an even a short term option

At best he is a backup utility infielder (see Neifi Perez only not as good), starting him makes zero sense. Theriot at SS and Baker at 2B is much better than Blanco at SS and Theriot at 2B.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 20, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neifi's career UZR numbers at 2B and SS are quite good...

…but I could see Blanco matching them, assuing he stays healthy. And, for a team hopelessly out of the race (which doesn’t quite define the Cubs just yet), I don’t think putting a guy like Blanco at SS full time is that bad an idea – especially if they were looking to transition their current SS to 2B. Having said all this, it’ll never happen.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

why transition Theriot to 2B until you ahev a SS to replace him. Blanco is not going to be the everyday SS for them bnext year, so you may as well Theriot where he is and where he is doing a fine job. Blanco is your infield backup guy nothing more, a poor man’s Neifi.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’m just saying I wouldn’t necessarily slight Andres Blanco for Neifi Perez. I think Blanco could end up having an equally good career defensively speaking.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 5

1. I’m with luver22, fire all the coaches and work on fundamentals. Instead of complaining about the length of Spring Training they could have spent the extra time working on fundamentals. Really pathetic.

2. No contracts over three years is good also. I cringe at the the years remaining on Soriano’s contract.

3. GJ is right regarding Ramirez. Shut him down NOW!!!! I want a healthy Aramis at the beginning of next year. If there are set-backs in his recovery, they have time to work them out.

4. Get Soto a dietician and a personal trainer. I want to see him in the tightest shape of his life when he reports for Spring Training——-well said GJ

5. Granted it’s not my money, but in real life, if you have an illness, you don’t just sit there and do nothing. I’m not saying the Cubs have a cancer, but they do have, at least, really really, bad acne.

by bigz38fan on Aug 19, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Rid every Cubs coach at the Major League Level.

by bigz38fan on Aug 19, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck...

luring premier talent with 3 year or less contracts.

by Kansas25 on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhhh, the cold slap of reality!

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least we can refrain from giving out 8 year contracts.

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by KaliCub on Aug 20, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fire the no name manager of tennessee too!

the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY

by jesus christos on Aug 20, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My points

1. Trade Soriano for Nick Markakis
2. Trade Soto for Brian McCann
3. Trade Dempster for Tim Lincecum
4. Hire Earl Weaver and Fire Lou
5. Trade Mike Fontenot for Dustin Pedroia
6. Trade Marmol for Papplebon.

Thats all for now.

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by Grockcubs on Aug 19, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's finish this year first.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 19, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be the first to eat crow if a miracle occurs

but wouldn’t a forward thinking organization with a 12% playoff probability do what they could to improve performance next year? I guess I’m just opposed to this notion of, “Let’s see what happens”. I’m tired of seeing what happens. Lightning strikes every now and then and people win the lottery, but those organizations that are forward thinking and look to maximize potential are the ones that win most often.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 19, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Al Yellon Reality Tour

Still waiting for concert dates to be announced. Can’t keep postponing the inevitable. Living with one’s head up his keester isn’t healthy.

Cubs haven’t been the same since the Dodger playoff series. It is that series that was the death blow to this current iteration of the Cubs. It has been downhill from there, and thing is the downhill pace is only going to get faster in 2010.

"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)

by BLou on Aug 19, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's absolutely ridiculous, considering...

… there are so many different players on this team than the one who lost the NLDS in 2008. How you can say that series affects all those different players is beyond me.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were so distraught...

about that series that they made a midseason surge to (albeit briefly) first place in the Central.

by Kansas25 on Aug 20, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Miles, secretly always a Cubs fan, watched the NLDS on his big screen TV...

…and has never been the same since.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only that...

they’re the Cubs; I guess.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) Win.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1) Win.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with 1,2 and 3. 4 and 5, not so much.

Ryan is just fine at SS, and I’d keep him there. UZR has him as greatly improving his defensive performance this year, going from slightly above average last year to pretty good this year. He’s been nothing short of great for this team the last two years. Having a 3+ WAR SS is nothing to sneeze at. Good SS’s are hard to come by.

Yes, Geo does need to get into (much,much,much,much) better shape, but at this point in his career it’s all on him. He’s a grown man and has already had some of the best doctors, consultants, trainers, dietitians, etc. at his disposal since he took over as catcher in late 2007. I’m sure he has been provided a proper regimen and nutritional analysis at some point the last couple of years, as it’s no secret that he’s a lardass. The only silver lining I see in Geo’s season is that his awful performance fuels him into turning in the most productive and active offseason of his career.

by dakoose on Aug 19, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theriot is fine at SS but

would be even better at 2nd base. His UZR would be better as would his offense, relative to position. So the Cubs should pick up Jack Wilson and then they would be strong up the middle which is needed to win the division. If Geo can’t lay off the cup cakes and hippie lettuce then replace him with Hill. Hill brings his lunch pale to work everyday and would improve our defense even more.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack Wilson? Really?

The guy’s over 30 years old and an awful hitter – and who would you trade to the Mariners to get him?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto

It’s uncanny how Soto’s numbers this year mirror most of his minor league career. A good diet does not a great hitting catcher make. I still can’t believe how many people buy into this idea that Soto is not hitting because he is not in great shape.

As for the rest… Hendry needs to go. The guy has some good attributes, but in the end, a good GM doesn’t sign Aaron Miles for 2years/5mil. You could see that albatross a mile a way. And Soriano…. uffff…. two years ago many didn’t care, and said “it’s not my money”. I see a lot of people changing their tune now. Not only is his contract ridiculous, but you can’t get a better player because he “has” to play LF given his contract.

by Luis on Aug 19, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not disagreeing specifically

but with whom do you replace him?

The drafts have been good recently. Free agency has been dealt with horribly.

That decision will be made by the next owner. I hope we don’t fire our second best GM ever (second tallest midget?) due to the Aaron Miles deal, just to replace him with a guy that has an idea that the draft isn’t a wise idea of how to build a team.

by tim815 on Aug 19, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Well

Then you gotta add in the fact that he’s a known pothead. Pot makes you lazy,hungry, and slows your motor skills. He’s out of shape, looks sluggish and seems not to give a rat’s ass imo.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 19, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a known pothead?

He tested positive for marijuana once. We have no way of knowing how frequent or excessive was his smoking habit. So doing it at all makes you a pothead? I guess everybody who likes to take a drink now and then is a drunk, too?

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by Goodie1969 on Aug 20, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a fair assessment...

…given the fact that Geo has had less than 300 PAs this season?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good, you're back with your reckless accusations of PED use!

I wonder why, if Soto was doing an undetectable super steroid, would he have stopped using it then?

I’m sure if he’d had a good year, it just would have supported your argument as well. Basically whatever he does confirms your crazy theory.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My stance on 2009

I feel like we can blame coaches and managers all we want but the fact is this season has been lost so far due to injuries. Look at everyone who went on the DL and weren’t healthy. Even the best teams can’t win in those conditions. Add to the fact that the Cardinals added significant upgrades to their team all year, they became the better team. Congrats.

Now for 2010, here is what I’d like to see them do:

1) Work with Jake Fox and see if he can play adaquate 2B. If he can’t, suck it up and try to sign DeRosa or another solid 2B (or move Theriot to 2B and sign a SS).
2) Sign a solid closer (if anyone is available). Maybe Wagner is worth a wager. Even if Marmol can close solidly through the rest of the season, I think there are better closer options.
3) Replace Matt Sinatro. Okay, maybe this isn’t his fault (please tell whose it is) but Cubs get picked off and CS more than they should be. Bring in someone who can work with the team on the base paths better.
4) Get the team healthy in the off season. No winterball if it’s not necessary. They need to be healthy for the Cubs. That needs to be their priority.

That’s all I can think of. The fact is, if everyone is healthy next year they should be the best team in the NL. I’ll emphasize the word should….

by ak123 on Aug 19, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we stop...

The fascination with spot start, utility players? Fox is nothing more. Much like Fontenot, Hoff etc. They are best when utilized right, in which we don’t.

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by cubsluver22 on Aug 19, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't give up on the thought

Until they make an effort to work with him in the off season.

I’m not asking them to make him a starting 2B. I’m asking them to see if he is capable of it. If he’s not, then he won’t play the position and then they have to sign a FA who can.

by ak123 on Aug 19, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, cuz

vic davalillo sucked. so did manny mota.

it would be absolute folly for a team that is overexposed financially to retain a spare bat that can fill in at left, right, first, third (all positions with projected veterans starting that will need days off more than likely), and can be an emergency catcher. especially if this guy is still under teams control for a few more years. we ought to deal him for a heilman-esque arm, preferably with hak-ju lee or starlin castro as the guy to make sure the deal gets done.

just kidding. i’m not fascinated by jake fox. but he fills a role on the team until he gets too expensive or brings greater quality in return in a trade.

by tim815 on Aug 20, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats exactly what we need to do...

Retain them and left them fill in in certain situations. Not run them out there aeveryday and let them get exposed knowing their not everyday players but expecting them to be.

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by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How have the Cubs incorrectly utilized Jake Fox?

I mean, besides not putting him at third base the second Aramis went down and bringing him to play that position ASAP?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can start with...

Leaving him in AAA for 2 months while he hit everything in sight. We had a hole with Aram out. Of course what do we do? We wait and wait and wait and then all of a sudden we want him to be a star when we actually do give him a chance.

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by cubsluver22 on Aug 20, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said besides that.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF, after the Cards series, we are still 4 games back or greater

Then Aramis shouldn’t see the field again. That’s the TOP priority.

Soto should be benched as punishment for general sucktitude. Let Hill and whoever would be the catcher call-up handle it.

Other than that, I good.

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by Worf on Aug 19, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

…if they are out of it in mid September, they need to get Ramirez under the knife if surgery is required. Shoulders can heal slow and it will be a long difficult rehab process for him.

You never never give up on the season until it’s obvious you are out, but I understand people’s frustrations about where this club is at. I feel the same way and am very frustrated because the problems with the organization (IMO) are deeper than most realize and are systemic in nature. I also feel the rest of this season has the potential to get ugly, with the Cubs missing either the division or wild card by a wide margin. The Cub fan in me is hoping I am wrong, but the objective side of me has been telling me this for a long time.

If this team fails to deliver in 09, here would be my priorities:

1. Hire a new GM
2. Hire a new GM
3. Hire a new GM
4. Hire a new GM
5. Hire a new GM

If Ricketts can get someone who is skilled at doing what is necessary to build a strong organization, you will see the following improve:

1. better evaluation of talent (drafting, scouting and minor leagues)
2. An organizational philosophy that ingrains fundementals in players in the minors
3. An organizational philosophy that holds people accountable
4. A GM that has the skill (through both science and instinct) to pick the right players on the roster
5. A GM that will hire a manager that is in line with the organizational philosopies
6. A GM that will put the teams best interests before a players and remain objective in the end

Thank you very much!

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by MPH73 on Aug 19, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

better drafting, eh????

First six rounds, last 2 seasons

2008 Andrew Cashner (pitching very well in Tennessee)
Ryan Flaherty (second in homers in the Midwest League. OPS over .800)
Aaron Shafer (WHIP in Peoria under 1.5)
Chris Carpenter (see Andrew Cashner)
Matthew Cerda (Injured)
Justin Bristow (WHIP under 1.4 in Peoria)
Josh Harrison (traded with organizational filler for Grabow and Gorzelanny)

2009 Brett Jackson (OPS over.900 in Peoria)
DJ LeMahieu (OPS over .700 in Peoria)
Austin Kirk, Andrew Rusin, Brooks Raley (all pitching rather well in early returns in the Cubs system)
Wes Darvill (19 year old in AZ league playing at shortstop)

Yeah, axe Hendry over lousy drafting ’cuz Cerda is hurt.

If you’re firing Hendry (which I’m not opposed to), don’t use bad drafting as your 1A argument if you haven’t done the research. Which available individual would do better at Hendry’s job?

by tim815 on Aug 20, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

drafting...

…is one piece, but don’t hang your hat on it. This list of organizational issues are very very long.

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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is what

you led with. If you led with “no more dumb@$$ contracts like the one you gave Aaron Miles/Milton Bradley”, i’d’ve cut you more slack.

and who is available that would be better?

by tim815 on Aug 20, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get hung up on the order

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and

we can scout/draft better if we hire more scouts. that should be a priority, whether hendry stays or goes.

by tim815 on Aug 20, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Hendry can pay...

…spellcheck 10 mil and give him a no trade on top of it, the investment to hire more scouts wouldn’t even scratch the surface of what Hendry has blown on players.

Hendry runs the baseball organization and has since 02, if the organization is short on good scouts, who’s fault is that?

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ownership for not giving more money to hire good scouts.

That’s what needs to change.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree.

Cubs fans should pelt Ricketts with e-mails, letters, postcards and carrier pigeon messages re: this point when and if he finally takes over.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm baffled by this...

…with a payroll of 130+ mil, the cost of hiring 10-15 quality scouts would show up on the Cub’s payroll expenses as a footnote. I have a hard time believing ownership would have turned down Hendry’s desire to add some scouts if he was passionate about doing so.

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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me on this one.

Tribco ownership has been notoriously cheap with people who aren’t on the player, coach or GM payroll.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say...

…Hendry hasn’t put the right sell job in place with this one. You could quality scouts for a mil per year, and all Hendry would have to say is lower my major league budget by the same and we are good to go.

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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how the Cubs do budgets for the various departments.

Your idea makes sense, but maybe they don’t budget that way. If not, they need to start.

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by Al on Aug 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Trib has been this narrow minded...

…I would almost guarantee this played a factor in why Green was raising a stink in the late 80’s.

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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A million?

Okay. But I’d do it for considerably less.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a curious question

If they are drafting such great players name the last position player out of our farm system who has played for this team for more than 5 years. Mark Grace?

by nks6911 on Aug 20, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the drafting is getting better

Taking a player through the minors usually takes at least 3 full seasons. So the earliest you’d expect a position player drafted in 2008 hitting the bigs for real would be 2011. so, if by 2014, we don’t have a solid influx of talent, both hitters and pitchers, i’ll be very upset and surprised.

the reason we haven’t seen long-term starters in the cubs system for so long is…. well…. some day, someone ought to make a good fanpost on the subject. there are many valid reasons. One of them has been valueing the dollar over the pennant. That takes many forms.

Between Castro, Vitters, Jackson, Lee, and a few to be determined in the next few years, the argument shouldn’t count much longer.

by tim815 on Aug 20, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing about...

…Soto: I benched him in MLB The Show ‘09. He’s been productive with the stick, but he’s been absolutely horrible behind the plate. I’ll have to look it up my stats, but he has at least six missed throws during steal attempts that have ended up in the outfield, and a run has scored.

Does a video game know something we don’t?

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by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think there is much they can do............

First, I say let Baker continue to start. I honestly don’t know that much about him. But, would like to see if he can handle 2B on a daily basis. Otherwise finding a 2B over the winter will be a priority.

I agree that now is the time to figure out if Marmol can handle the closing duties. If not, finding a closer become A2 or even A1 priority.

It seems like a lot of young pitchers who see a big increase in innings struggle the following year. Can’t remember what team it is but, they are limiting their young ML pitchers to no more than a 20% increase of innings this year. If the Cubs let Harden go over the winter, a move I am not opposed to, then Wells will be needed next year. So his innings need to be monitered and maybe have his spot skipped a couple of times in Sept to insure his health for next year.

I agree with the fact that there are several players whose subtraction from the team would improve the team IMO. But. I don’t see them releasing ‘em or finding teams that will take the contracts. Sadly we’re going to have to live with them for the next couple of years or more in a couple of cases.

I truly hope that the Cubs can stay in the race to make “Ramirez needs to have surgery now” blogs meaningless. If the Cubs schedule surgery for the first few days after the Cubs season ends he should have more than enough time to rehab and be ready for ’10.

by Rkfd Die Hard on Aug 19, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If memory serves correctly...

both Gregg and Harden are type A free agents, so the Cubs would receive draft pick compensation.

I could be wrong, tho

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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 19, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would have to offer them arbitration to get compensation.

Fine with Harden but you have to be kidding with Gregg.

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 20, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

King of wishful thinking, but.....

I can see the benefit in all these ideas, but the five things I’d like to see

1) Place Milton on waivers say thanks for everything and hope someone claims him and takes us out of our misery. This gives you the chance to play Fox, Fuld or Hoff
2) Put Aaron Miles on a plane home, he is worthless
3) Convince Lou to take an advisory role within the Organization, thus we may get something for the 4 million
4)Marmol closes but that is it, he is burnt out ! The guy has pitched a ton the last 400 days dating back to last season. He pitched winter league and in the WBC.
5) Finally, Stop the excuses and just play better, if you sucked say we played like crap, if you did well move forward with quiet confidence.

This team has no chemistry this year, while the Cubs have a decent amount of good individual players they lack the intangibles and the edge that you see in championship teams. My hope is that the organization realizes the error(s) in their ways and they are prepared to rectify them and stop using the ownership drama as a crutch.

by Johnnycakesformanager on Aug 19, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Where do you play Fox?

I don’t want him in my outfield. I want some wheels on my OF. His keen with the stick, but he can’t run; somewhere where he can be relatively immobile would be best. I’d rather have Hoff as a back-up OFer, and Fox as the back-up 1B.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milton more than likely WAS placed on waivers and no one took him.

And if Lou takes this advisory role, who would you want as manager?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie :)

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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 20, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryno.

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by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Aug 20, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know the goal is to make the team better right?
1) Place Milton on waivers say thanks for everything and hope someone claims him and takes us out of our misery. This gives you the chance to play Fox, Fuld or Hoff

You know that Fox probably couldn’t play right field in any stadium, let alone Wrigley’s difficult right?

You know that Fuld and Hoff are significantly worse than Bradley, right? And that there are no better alternatives to Bradley on the free agent market this year?

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we sure we'd WANT Lou in an advisory role?
3) Convince Lou to take an advisory role within the Organization, thus we may get something for the 4 million

I somewhat feel that his sometimes kneejerks reactions to everything and constantly shuffling are part of the problem. I mean, we can’t blame Hendry alone for the entire makeup of the team. Lou plays people out of position, plugs them in strange spots in the lineup, has expectations for certain players to fill roles they’re not cut out to fill… and I understand part of that is him trying to work with the tools that he has. But sometimes I think he doesn’t know how to handle the tools. Overall, I like him fine as a manager but I’m just not sure he’s really the best at tapping the abilites that his players have. My point is, if we don’t like the makeup of the team, we can’t solely point the finger at Hendry. And I think I heard a rumor once about Lou having a front office job with the Yankees lined up once he so chooses to retire from managing. And I think I’m fine with that.

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by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Aug 20, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So with an eye towards 2010, who gets called up when the rosters expand?

I know realistically that the guys who come up will likely be called up to help now, not gain experience for the future- Scales, Hoffpauir, etc. But supposing for a moment that the Cubs are looking to get experience for some younger guys, I’d like to see the following guys called up.

Clevenger and/or Robinson
Parker
Barney
Gaub

I understand the “let’s not start the service clock yet” argument, but these guys seem close to being ready to contribute (at least as bench players) IMO, so why not?

by Pat19 on Aug 20, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Darwin Barney

is barely hitting over the Mendoza line. In the minors.

by nks6911 on Aug 20, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Purple Evolutionist! What has become of you!

Darwin - purple

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. lind
2. roberts
3. halladay
4. peavy
5. derosa

the cubs lineup needs moar LIND and HALLIDAY

by jesus christos on Aug 20, 2009 12:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The same Peavy who just joined the White Sox?

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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ♥ PV!!!!

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

End of the month...

I’m not in favor of making any changes which move the team towards giving up on 2009… until the end of the month. The players on the field deserve at least that. Now… this doesn’t mean you don’t make changes to make 2009 more of a success between now and Sept 1. There’s 6 weeks left in the season, and they’re only down 6 games to the Cardinals and 5 to the Rockies. That’s only one game per week at most to make up… and the Cubs schedule the rest of the way is cake. With Zambrano and Lilly healthy and Harden dominating, it’s possible to make up one game per week.

It would help if the Cardinals and/or Rockies would lose, as I type this the Cardinals just finished taking a series against the Dodgers after scoring a run off their closer. But it would also help if the Cubs brain trust would stop placing all their hopes on just re-shuffling a bad hand and actually go out and get a couple more aces to at least help. B.J. Ryan didn’t work, and they whiffed on John Smoltz completely, and to make it worse, he’ll now be helping their main rival.

Even assuming Carlos Marmol becomes the closer we would all like him to be, we still need a new Carlos Marmol in the 7th and 8th. We would all like if Angel Guzman, John Grabow and Kevin Gregg could do the job, but if they could, we wouldn’t be pulling out a new dartboard with 6 weeks left and hoping something sticks.

Jim Hendry has some more work to do, which doesn’t involve sitting on his hands, hoping Lou Piniella spins some magic he really hasn’t had since he coached the Reds almost 20 years ago. I won’t claim to know the relievers he could claim off waivers, but he should have done something by now… anything. If it involves taking on a contract for next year, just look at what the Mariners did in getting Bill Hall from Milwaukee. They gave up nothing and will pay him nothing to play for them the rest of this year and as much of next year as they want. Hendry needs to find a deal like that.

I’m either going to condemn him for the moves he makes that fail… or for doing nothing. I guess he’ll have to figure out which he wants because if this team doesn’t make it to the playoffs with a $135 million dollar payroll… the first thing a new owner should do is send him on his way.

The Cubs franchise needs a leader who’s hungry for the job (please refrain from donut jokes) much like the Seattle Mariners got when they hired Jack Zduriencik from the Milwaukee Brewers. I hope that guy is Jim Hendry, but if it’s not, they need to go into the Indians or Dodgers or Rays organizations and find someone who hasn’t had their shot yet.

Hendry has 11 more games before I won’t have a shred of resolve left to fight for him to keep his job. And if the players on the field aren’t at least 7-4, the same will be said for the Cubs playoff hopes.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 20, 2009 1:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty tall...
And if the players on the field aren’t at least 7-4, the same will be said for the Cubs playoff hopes.

Are there any baseball players that tall? Even Randy Johnson is only 6’10". And why is that so important? I suppose you could be assured of stopping more “high hoppers”, or having throws reaching the mitt of the first baseman more quickly…

:) :) :)

by jdb-44 on Aug 20, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yao Ming

make it happen, Jim… if you’re still around.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 20, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you didn't say it right.

GET IT DONE J I M

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by Al on Aug 20, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

However, I feel a little too much like Larry “the Cable Guy” when I say stuff like that.

How about we go with the Trekkie…

We need more power, Cap’n!

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 21, 2009 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have nothing to offer...

…yet since season is still, well, winnable. Once that’s done, then we can talk.

However, steal Jemile Weeks from Oakland as soon as possible. He’s 22, but appears to be a sick prospect. Did I mention that he’s a switch-hitting 2B?

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dreaming, but.....

….if Lou decided to walk into the sunset I would hire Kirk Gibson as the manager before the Dbacks correct their mistake.

by roost66 on Aug 20, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fail...

What would he do?

“OK boys, let’s watch the tape of me hitting that homer again!”

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm....standard diss

but no alternative suggestion. Who would you like to manage the team if you had a choice? Lou has been a fine manager but as time goes on his decision making has bordered on a pace that could best be described as, well, glacial. Both Piniella and Gibson have been winners in multiple locations and bring a burning intensity to the game. But, frankly (with the exception of the Cardinal game where he used Marshall in left field in the 9th) Lou seems one move behind in his managerial strategy this year. I don’t think we want Trammell of 43-119 record fame. Sandberg still isn’t ready. Gibson may be a preening primadonna to some, but the 1988 Dodgers team does not win the World Series without him in spite of Hershiser’s best season. Plus, he’s a baseball generation younger than Lou and may be able to relate to today’s player a little better. And he would send Aaron Miles out with the Gatorade machine.

by roost66 on Aug 20, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trammel, Brenly, Sandberg, LaRussa

That’s four alternate suggestions right there.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you could pick....

…one of your list of four, who would it be and why?

by roost66 on Aug 20, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd pick Trammel of those 4 just because

he’s been in the trenches with this team the last 3 years.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Sandberg idea.

Brenly wouldn’t be bad either. He’d hold players accountable and he has a ring.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Brenly

had no interest in it?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 20, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe his answer..

…was “toeing the line.” He said, I believe, that he likes his current gig, and isn’t out to take anybody’s job; now if it were offered to him in the off-season, that might be more to his liking. Especially is Lou and the Cubs parted amicably.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are all interesting, relatively reasonable suggestions.

Not sure whether the Randy Wells thing would have any traction within the organization. It would really depend on how Randy is feeling. I believe he still has a decent chance at the ROY, too.

And as someone who sees a lot of upside in Jeff Baker and has never fully bought into the apparently widely accepted notion that Ryan Theriot is an awful shortstop, I can’t really get on board with your fourth suggestion. I certainly want Aaron Miles gone, and I’m open to moving Theriot to 2B if a more natural player could be found for the SS position. (Still wondering whether J.J. Hardy could be swindled from Brewers.) But I would need a name, and I’m not sure how much of a difference one month at second base would make for Theriot himself.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My fixes for the Cubbies.

1. Extend Harden and make him the closer. DFA Gregg. We have plenty of pitching to replace our number five starter.

2. Youth movement. Bring up Scales, Hoffy, Fox and Fuld. Let these guys play every day and see who sticks.

3. Pick up reclamation projects like Padilla, Garland, Smoltz, Wagner or Ortiz. Low cost high reward.

4. Cut Aram’s shoulder now. This guy is a slow healer and has a low pain tolerance so MAKE him have surgery now so he can be ready for next year. Same thing with Sorriano.

5. Make Z & Bradley go to therapists in the off-season so they can learn how to act like fully functioning adults.

BONUS:

6. Let JefF7 start. He is electric and just needs more playing time for everyone to see he could be the Ace this team needs. Plus he could take Harden’s spot when Harden is moves to closer.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My mind is boggling

1) I really hate Smoltz sometimes, for making fans believe that every single pitcher can also be a closer. Harden could not possibly go three days in a row. He could not last long in a situation where he sometimes has to warm up and NOT pitch.

2) OK, youth movement. Good idea…

3) Reclamation projects. Wai-wha? You bring up the kids to see who will make it in 2010 and beyond and THEN you want to take chances on last gasp veterans? To do WHAT exactly?

4) Aramis played in 149 games in 2008, 132 in 2007 and in the 150s in 2006. Please for you to be shutting up sir.

5) Z, I’m on board with. Bradley has been fine.

6) I really wish you’d have put this one first, because I took you seriously for 2 seconds before I got to this one. Those are two seconds I could have been using to pop a pimple on my forehead.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#6 is no joke.

This is seen with young position players ALL the time. They play ok or even well for a short time period. Then when they get more playing time, due to an injury, they get to work out their kinks and turn into certifiable major leaguers. Look at Casey McGehee. Why not Shark? Maybe all he needs in more practice against major league hitters. After all, he showed flashes of BRILLIANCE last season.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would respectfully request...

…that you read this article – particularly the part about Samardzija. He is not ready to face major league hitters as a starter. Period. Maybe with a stint in winter ball and a full season at Triple A Iowa he’ll be ready for a 2010 September callup.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

…he is clearly not ready and I really don’t know if he ever will be.

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by MPH73 on Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't either.

He needs to make massive refinements to his breaking pitches. I hope he can get there eventually, but it seems like it’s going to take a while.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a good article.

But we disagree about how to get Shark to improve. I agree winter ball should happen but only after he gets some starts the rest of this season. I would just say that the more he throws his breaking pitches to major leagues the better chance he has to improve them.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see his start against the Phillies?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did and

he was awful. But he will look awful until he improves those breaking pitches. He hasn’t thrown that many innings in the majors, 55 IP. That is a really small sample size. A lot of pitching stats won’t even stabilize over a full season, 200 IP. So lets give him at least another 200 IP before we say he can’t be a major league starter.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, no.

You don’t develop a player in the major leagues. Even if the Cubs are hopelessly out of it at this point (and I’m not necessarily saying they are), I don’t want to see them getting blown out every fifth game while Samardzija figures out his breaking pitches. Plus, as Worf points out, you could completely destroy his confidence putting him out there to get shelled for the rest of the season.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has surpassed AAA

So leaving him there won’t help him develop his secondary pitches b/c he doesn’t need to use them. Plus, I think he needs a better understanding of game theory which he can get with the big Cubs. As far as confidence goes, you’re right, it is a concern. But we are talking about the BMOC, WR from Notre Dame. So I think he his confidence will survive.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he has not.

He needs a 4th pitch before he can ever be a major league starter. It makes no sense to have him try to learn to do that here.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden only uses two pitches...

but yeah Shark needs to work on that 2nd pitch.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden is an anomly

He has some of the best stuff in all of baseball, which allows him to get away with that.

Comparing Samardzija to him is beyond a stretch.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point was just

four pitches aren’t necessary to have success in the majors. Best case would be two pitches a la Harden or Schmidt. Shark probably needs three pitches to dominate. He can compete with two.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he can't.

Very few pitchers can – unless they’re relievers, which is what Samardzija may wind up as.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can compete as a bullpen guy with just two pitches

not as a starter though

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, don't even try to compare the two.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Samrdzjia is going to be a starter, yes he needs a 3rd pitch

Harden has two outstanding pitches so he can get away with only two pitches, Samardzjia does not.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has not surpassed AAA.

The Cubs have rushed him through the minor leagues at a ridiculous rate. Maybe that’s because of his contract. Maybe that’s because of his “rock star” status. But, as that article I referred you to points out, his development as a professional pitcher clearly is not complete.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There in could be the problem....

if he doesn’t understand that he needs to work on his breaking pitches in the minors to make him an effective MLB pitcher why would he understand he needs them in the majors. The “pitching this way got me to the majors so why change now” would be a valid argument. Because if he is given a spot in a MLB rotation without commanding something other than a fastball it would be a true statement.

See Corey Patterson….from what I have read and heard the Cubs kept telling him to bunt more, cut down on his swing. They then continued to promote him through the minors until he reached the majors. Then surprise, surprise….he didn’t want to or wouldn’t change his approach. Again I ask…why should he? He got to the majors doing things just the way he was doing them.

by Rkfd Die Hard on Aug 20, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a scary comparison...

…because it may someday come true. I, too, read somewhere recently that Samardzija has had motivational problems in the minors because he’s already spent so much time in the big leagues.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't surprise me

Which is another reason to sit him down and tell him in no uncertain terms that if he wants to come back, he needs to develop another pitch.
Of course, that would require the Cubs sending him back down and actually leaving him there, something they haven’t been willing to do

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 20, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Samardzjia has suprassed AAA???

By what measurement?

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's changed a lot of flat tires

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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a such thing as psychology in this world

It does not help Little Nemo — sick of calling him Shark and unwilling to spell his name — to get his ass handed to him for the entire month of September.

At some point, confidence — and lack thereof — become a factor.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw shark pitch on tues in Portland.

His fastball was topping out at 92 with little movement. He was throwing what looked like a change-up low and away with good results. I still think he needs at least one more year in the minors to work on his contol in the strike zone.

by nks6911 on Aug 20, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I wonder if he’s taking something off his fastball to try to spot it better. Seems like he was hitting close to mid-90s in the majors.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...I think you need to go back to the first verse, coda.

1. The Harden to closer thing has been beaten to death. Last night is a perfect example of why Harden remains far too valuable as a starter to stick in the 9th inning only. Plus, there are warmup/recovery issues that may make this idea untenable for the time being. Also, I believe Gregg is signed only for 2009, so there’s really no need to DFA him now.

2. Um, we’ve seen what Scales, “Hoffy,” Fox and Fuld can do and I’m guessing the Cubs already know which ones will stick. I’d say only Fox has an outside chance as an everyday player…somewhere. Fuld could be a good 4th/5th OF type. Hoff’s future is either DH or career minor leaguer. Scales – the latter.

3. Perhaps. But, as ridiculous as this may sound to some, I think the Cubs are still too close with too many games left to play. I love how you say he has a “low pain tolerance.” How’d you reach that conclusion? The fact that he’s been playing his ass off since he got of the DL? Did that low pain tolerance keep him from hitting that massive HR last night? And what kind of surgery does Soriano need?

5. Yeah, because forced therapy has a 100% success rate.

6. I’m praying that by “JeF7” you don’t mean Jeff Samardzija. And if you do, I’m praying you’re being sarcastic.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

what surgery Sorryano needs but he is definitely injured. I’m sure the Cubs are hiding this, so they probably know what surgery he needs.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's tough to argue with that.

I don’t think he’s injured – he’s almost certainly been “sore” at certain points this season but not injured in the “needs surgery” sense. I think he’s just having a down year – a very down year.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Harden

The same recovery issues where used as evidence against Kerry Wood becoming a closer. It worked out well for Woody. Plus, Harden is equally as injury prone.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Wood and Harden are as comparable as you think.

Kerry got to a point where he clearly could no longer function as a starting pitcher. Again, as last night’s game clearly shows, Rich Harden is nowhere near that point. He’s already made more than 20 starts this season, which is more than many claimed he would.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be blunter

Wood was basically at the point where he went to the bullpen or he went to coach high school baseball in Texas.

Harden isn’t there.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Oh, and I’d also point out that Harden has been bit by the home run ball this season every bit as much as Kevin Gregg.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Fox

The only chance he truly has — barring some miracle at 2B — is to keep shifting him around, holding onto him somehow, until Lee leaves.

And I’m not entirely sure I don’t want Aramis heading over to 1B by then.

I love Fox. I really do. But his value to this team — barring the implementation of the DH in the NL — is as a trade chip to an AL team.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree - the second base thing is a long shot.

And Fox’s best chance at becoming an everyday player probably isn’t with the Cubs, though he could still prove to be a valuable backup for another season or so.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd base is a long shot.

But let him get some practice in before games and stick him at 3rd after Aram has surgery. Then let Fox try to improve his infield defense in winter ball and spring training. Then let him compete at 2nd and against Sorryano in LF for a starting spot. Worst case scenario is Fox gets better at D and could stick as a heavy bat off the bench and maybe, just maybe, as a late inning defensive replacement for Sorryano.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox as a late-inning defensive replacement????

OK, seriously, this is a joke, right? We’re all about to be Punk’d, right?

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oopss,

I didn’t mean for that defensive replacement to be a worst case. Just saying it could happen. That probably says more about how bad Sorryano is in LF. That hop…seriously.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do know that the concept of "defensive replacement"

is to get outs so you get the game over with quickly.

Fukudome, Fuld and even Bradley have the defensive replacement for LF covered.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was very happy to see Fuld in left field...

…at the end of last night’s game.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

assumes facts not in evidence

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try not to do this...

…but the proper spelling of Alfonso’s name is “Soriano” not “Sorryano.”

That aside, no one is going to compete with Alfonso Soriano for a starting position. No one. Not saying that’s right or wrong. Just saying that’s the way it is.

And Fox’s strength will probably never be defense. He appears to be a very good hitter, and that’s why a major league team – maybe the Cubs, maybe someone else – will want him around.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his "Sorryano" is intentional

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, now I get it.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

6. Let JefF7 start. He is electric and just needs more playing time for everyone to see he could be the Ace this team needs.

I think you’re mistaking “electric” for “shockingly bad”.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW electric was meant for his fastball.

His sinker has some decent horizontal movement and okay vertical movement if he keeps it down in the zone. All of his secondary pitches are okay IF he can locate them.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you friend of his or something?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to answer

the replies, clarify my points and have a discussion.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, that's fine.

You just seem remarkably high on a pitcher who’s really proven very little at the major league level. It might be a little more understandable if you had some sort of personal connection to him.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

his curveball which stinks and should be scrapped. Just have some patience with him. Onward patient mothers.

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oopss,

mothers Onward patient Cub fans

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close.
So you’re suggesting a two-pitch pitcher should be put into the rotation and declared an “ace”?

by ConcreteCoda on Aug 20, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said above...
Let JefF7 start. He is electric and just needs more playing time for everyone to see he could be the Ace this team needs.

A two-pitch pitcher won’t be an ace. He needs an entire year of AAA starting to even be close to major-league ready. It should have been this year, but he kept getting jerked around between here and Iowa and starting and relieving. 2009 is a lost year for him.

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by Al on Aug 20, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you have two over the top pitches

like Harden or young Doc Gooden, having only two pitches won’t cut it.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pray you're not a pitching coach.

And if you are, I pray the Cardinals hire you after Dave Duncan retires.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GET IT DONE, JOHN!

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by Goodie1969 on Aug 20, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think all of us have patience with him,

patient that he will learn how to pitch while toiling in AAA where he belongs. Hopefully the team will decide once and for all whether he is to be a starter or a reliever. Pick one and leave him there to try and work it out. And if they want faster return on investment, put him in the pen.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ironic thing is

I already like our AA starting pitchers more than shark.

by tim815 on Aug 22, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pshaw!

Speak for yourself.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from my perspective it is

my beard is older than that!

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole "DFA XXX" is pretty silly stuff.

It makes no sense to DFA Heilman or Miles at this point. You’re paying them anyway, why not see if they can figure it out?

In Miles’ point, you’re paying him for next year as well – you invite him to spring training next year and hope he can figure it out again. The odds are low, but at least there’s a chance you can recoup some of the money you’ve thrown away on him.

by Wreckard on Aug 20, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, exactly on Miles

They’ll DFA him or trade him after they re-acquire DeRo.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think the Internets would shut down

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

all 7 of them?

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 20, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. They would alll blow their tubes

We’d need to hire Jim Ross from the WWE to scream, “Good God, that’s Mark DeRosa’s music!”

And then have DeRosa come out to “The Boys are Back in Town”

And then he piledrives Miles.

Good times.

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by Worf on Aug 20, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem

from what I remember, it would be, “BY GAWD! THROUGH HELLFAHR AN’ BRIMSTONE, IT’S MARK DAROZA!”

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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 20, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

this DFA this guy and that guy is out of control.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something different

Send Jay Jackson back to AA in the near future. Tennessee’s in it … Daytona is not. Obviously, they have to judge if he’s “learned his lesson”, and here’s hoping it was simply a youthful mistake and not a character issue, but Jackson is the most ready, of our top pitching prospects (Cashner/Jackson/Carpenter) to help in some role in 2010 as of right now (obviously, offseason could change things). Having him chew up A+ makes little sense … if they deemed that he’s learned his lesson.

by toonsterwu on Aug 20, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense.

Do you think the Cubs would put him in the bullpen in 2010? Or would they keep him stretched out as a starter in the minors to use as rotation insurance with a September callup?

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you move Baker?

The more I see of him, the more he impresses me. While I haven’t seen his range seriously tested at 2nd yet, he looks exceptionally smooth on everything hit to him. He also has a very nice compact swing, and while he hasn’t had enough ABs for other teams to find where the holes are in it, he’s shown that he has the ability to make adjustments and go with the pitch. At this point, I would give him every opportunity to see if he can handle second on an every day basis. I can also see him potentially filling the same role as Mark DeRosa if that’s what the team needs him to do.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 20, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Team Speed!!!

At some point this team will learn that they need guys that can actually manufacture a run. A “sparkplug” who can steal bases and create havoc. The problem the Cubs have is that, mostly, team speed comes from outfielders and our OF is locked in for 2010 and not fleet of foot.

They need to commit to addressing the lack of team speed and a REAL leadoff hitter. I’d think about:

1) Trying to pry FA Orlando Cabrera from MIN and moving Theriot to 2B
2) Getting uber-utilityman Chone Figgins and sticking him somewhere and at leadoff spot

by BeltwayCubsFan on Aug 20, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Orlando Cabrera? Seriously?

Power gone, speed nearly gone, OBA nosing under .300, OPS in Neifi territory, plus has a bad clubhouse rep.

And he’ll be 35 in November.

Do. Not. Want.

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by Al on Aug 20, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both those guys are rather long in the tooth at this point.

Figgins is having a rather fine year, though.

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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 20, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed? You want Speed?

The A’s made a horribly bad trade by giving away Carlos Gonzalez (a potential five-tool OF) in the Matt Holliday. Maybe we can pick him up? Gonzalez plays CF/LF, and bats/throws L/L.

Believe it or not, he’s hitting better on the road! .280 at Coors, and .298 on the road.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7934/splits;_ylt=AplWet5GXvCNj578iV5mts6FCLcF

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really think the Rockies are going to trade him?

He’s their starting LF for the next decade.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Aug 20, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I like tilting at windmalls.

We’re Cubs fans right?

It is something I would look into. Imagine if we had picked him up instead in a three-way move, instead of Bradley. While I like GB, his playing days/years/whatever are numbered. We could have Gonzalez in CF, Dome in Right, and Fonzi in Left.

That’s an impressive OF.

And, of course, everybody has to continue to produce.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 20, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't know with a 100% certainty what I want the Cubs to do next year

considering this year isn’t over yet, despite what so many here seem to think. Call me overly optimistic, but being a handfull of games out with more than 40 left to play has put this team in a position they have yet to be in, so we don’t know what’s going to happen. What if I told you the 2 losses to the Padres were the best thing to happen to the Cubs? Would you call me crazy? To me, looking at that, those two losses have put the Cubs’ collective backs against the wall. That’s a different mindset to be in and you don’t know how this group of guys is going to behave when they’re put in that position and mindset. I would like to think last night’s game is a sign of things to come. Maybe they go on a tear. Who knows? Until we’re actually eliminated, or on the verge of being eliminated, I’m holding out hope.

For next year though…Like I said, I don’t know. Maybe the following:

1) Start planning for life after Lou because win or lose, I think he’s done. This has been way too stressful of a season for him, and why would he want to bother with that for another year?

2) Someone mentioned the possibility of Soriano being injured, and it would not surprise me if he actually is. Someone needs to bore down into the issues he’s having to figure out a way to salvage him for the next couple years.

3) Get someone to light a fire under Soto’s ass and get that guy in shape. Get him involved with the community, doing charity work, anything because that guy apparently needs distractions in the offseason. Same for Z and others. It’s almost as if this team needs a manager for the offseason…

4) Keep Bradley and convince Lou to allow him to hit from the right side, keep Harden, keep the rest of the starting rotation the same, keep Baker, keep Fuld, etc. At this point, I really like, in no particular order, Dome, Bradley, Fuld, Baker, Rami, Lee, Theriot for his hitting skills, and Fox. I really, really like Fox, and I would hate to see the guy be dealt, but maybe it’s for the best. And while I don’t like Theriot as much as the others, he could be dealt too. This infield could be improved greatly by moving a couple pieces around. Hell, the bullpen could be improved greatly by moving a couple pieces around, which leads me too

5) Blow up the bullpen. Aside from Grabow, Guz, and Marmol (I have a feel he’ll have a better year next year), I just don’t care for anyone else. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think the Cubs made a mistake in not dealing Marshall. The kid is good, but he’s never going to be used properly, or at least he hasn’t been, and he may never. There are better relievers out there, and I’d like to see a bullpen built around Grabow, Guz, and Marmol.

Other than that, I don’t know. Aside from the bullpen, Soriano, and Soto, I really, really like this team. I think this team would have won at least 5 more games had some changes that were made way too late been made earlier, and the changes all involved changing the lineup, and bringing up a couple guys from the minor leagues. I still have hope for this season, but time is running out, and I hope with their backs against the wall we see a different, hungrier team from here on out.

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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 20, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This year

The team should still play to win for the rest of the season whether they have a realistic chance at postseason or not. There are still some paying customers attending to see their team win. There are also postseason berths impacted. Players, manager, staff and front office are in this for the duration. In a sense, all of the players are worth protecting or none of them are. If Ramirez needs surgury, that would be good or I think smart to get taken care of. Similar reasoning would apply if Zambrano is better off shutdown for the rest of the season or maybe Reed Johnson is better off not returning.

Rumors about the new owner taking over, if true, would mean the GM and manager can be determined. If they have to look for somebody else, they do that even though announcements could be held till latter. They can get on board with the budget and whether or not it is going to be increased.

They seem to be letting Baker play and bat both RHPs and LHPs. I would like to see Fox at 1B for a few games to see how he handles it.

by AboutTheCubs on Aug 20, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will add a 6th item

Trade Soriano and get someone who can hit major league pitching.

by 100yearitch on Aug 21, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could you be more specific?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To which team and for whom?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*Reply fail - this is meant for you, 100yearitch.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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