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Cubs Win! Wait... It's Tied. Wait! Cubs Win! Wait... Extra Innings. Lee's HR Gives Cubs Wacky 9-8 Victory In 10

It's a good thing last night's 9-8 Cubs win over the Marlins ended when it did -- otherwise we might have been treated to the sight of Cubs starting pitchers playing the outfield, and Kosuke Fukudome playing shortstop for the first time since high school, and...

Shudder. Let's not think about those possibilities. The Cubs blew a 6-0 lead after two innings, and an 8-5 lead with two out and nobody on and two strikes on pinch-hitter Ronny Paulino, who homered -- he had been a .154 hitter as a PH before last night. Even then the Cubs still led by two, but two batters later, Emilio Bonifacio, who was only in the game because Hanley Ramirez got hit on the knee by a Carlos Zambrano pitch and left in the third inning, skied a two-run triple over the head of Kosuke Fukudome to tie it. It was Kevin Gregg's first blown save since June 23 at Detroit; he had reeled off 10 consecutive saves since then.

Thank you, Derrek Lee, for winning this game with a HR that went nearly as far as Jake Fox's on Friday, and thank you, Aaron Heilman, for coming into a save situation in the last of the tenth and not allowing a baserunner. Heilman picked up his first save as a Cub and only the 10th of his career.

In games like this, teams often run out of players. The Cubs, who are currently carrying eight relief pitchers -- since they won't need to recall Tom Gorzelanny to start until Tuesday -- were actually better set for pitching had the game gone longer, than they were for position players. Sean Marshall, who could have thrown several innings, and Jeff Stevens were left in the bullpen -- but, along with Rich Harden, Ryan Dempster and Randy Wells, those were the only Cubs who did not appear in last night's game. The sight of Alfonso Soriano at third base -- he actually made eight starts and ten appearances there nine years ago with the Yankees -- was a little frightening, but Jeremy Hermida, a lefthanded hitter, cooperated by striking out; then Soriano and Jeff Baker flip-flopped again, and Ryan Theriot squeezed Cody Ross' popup to end it.

Star-divide

Entertaining? Sure, but it probably took a couple of years off Lou Piniella's life, not to mention delaying a scheduled postgame concert by the Village People, probably one of the reasons for the Marlins' third-largest home crowd of the year, 35,811 (the only two larger Marlins home attendance figures were for games vs. the Mets and Yankees) By the time the game ended most of those remaining were Cubs fans, or at least that's what it sounded like when D-Lee's HR landed in the seats above the out-of-town scoreboard, which, unlike Friday night, was actually functioning Saturday.

The four hour, 11 minute game featured 426 pitches by 13 pitchers; 16 walks; 24 strikeouts; and several injuries that, from a Cub standpoint, we hope are minor. Z left the game after three innings with a stiff back; he says he'll get treatment and be ready for his next start:

What caused the back problems?

"Sometimes I sleep on the wrong side of the bed, or maybe the bed is too soft at the hotel," Zambrano said. "Anything can do it. Sometimes [Derrek Lee] feels things in his neck. We're big men. We suffer from neck and back injuries. We just have to take care of things in the trainer's room and get ready for the next start.

"It's nothing to worry about," Zambrano said. "Let's treat it and take care of it."

Both Ramirezes -- Hanley and Aramis -- were hit by pitches. Hanley left the game with a knee contusion and A-Ram, though at first staying in the game, left after advancing to second base. Looking at what A-Ram was doing when he left, it didn't appear related to the HBP -- he appeared to either have something in his eye or was having problems dealing with the heat and humidity in addition to whatever pain he had from the pitch -- which was a breaking ball, which ought to stop any talk about Leo Nunez hitting Aramis intentionally. Plus, you don't put the winning run on base like that in extra innings in a tie game. Let us hope these two teams, who don't seem to like each other much, don't get into the retaliation game today.

All the teams ahead of the Cubs -- and I say "all" because the Cubs also have sneaked into the wild-card race, only one game behind the Rockies and Giants -- also won last night, so the standings remain the same with the Cubs also just half a game out of first place. Welcome to an August pennant race. Let's win this series today. (Good thing the game isn't till 5 pm EDT. These guys must be exhausted!)

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Great game

Move Heilman to closer immediately.

by beckmania on Aug 2, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Brian Custer?

Is that you?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had quickly flipped over to

the Florida telecast (I hadn’t for the entire game) and the only sentence I heard went something like:

“The Marlins could never solve Heilman when he was with the Mets."

So, his performance last night was true to the stats.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The stats tell a different story.

4-7, 4.14 ERA vs. the Marlins in 43 career appearances (including last night).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

they went on and on about how great Heilman has been vs. the Marlins

during the pre-game show they also went on and on about how Bonafacio has no business being on the team…..had a few good weeks at the start of the year…..

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 2, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets not get carried away

with heilmania, shall we?

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Aug 2, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

nice

I see what you did there. :-)

by false cognate on Aug 2, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ohhhhh......PUNny....

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heilman was great

Hopefully, this wasn’t just the sun shining on a dog’s ass once in a while

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 2, 2009 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Hahahaha.

That’s great.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 2, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

One of the more unbelievable 9th inning meltdowns I have seen.

The Cubs blow a 3-run lead late in the game against the Marlins. Sound familiar? It does for anyone who remembers 2003. Only this time there weren’t 5 outs to get. Only 1. And they were one strike away from getting THAT!

But that bottom of the 9th made me ill. I confess I turned the TV off and went to bed after the 9th. I couldn’t watch any more.

I know, different circumstances COMPLETELY. And the Cubs went on to WIN this game.

Thank you D-Lee. Thank you A.H. Thank you Cubs for having greater intestinal fortitude than I did last night. That’s why you all get the BIG bucks.

P.S.- what is it about this Marlins franchise? Man, I hate them MORE than the Mets- and that’s saying something.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Big ups to The Riot for the "insurance runs"

We really needed those in the bottom of the 9th. Thankfully DeLee came through with a HUGE HR. Very entertaining game, but I’d rather see a boring 7-1 Cubs win today – thank you very much.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't find this game "entertaining" at all.

Stressful, intense, mind boggling, frustrating, exhausting……

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

But the Cubs won

so we can chalk it up to “entertainment” after the fact. From the Marlins point of view, they came back from a 6-0 deficit and tied it with two outs in the bottom of the 9th – only to lose in 10. THAT’S frustrating…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose.

I just couldn’t stand all that wild pitching. I’ll take a pitcher’s duel any day for entertaining.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't happen to a nicer team...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bob Brenly doesn't like them either, it seems.

He pulled a great line last night about Leo Nunez:

“Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into 1,000,000 pieces.”

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 2, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Aug 2, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

A technicality

It was actually a “billion” (1,000,000,000) pieces.

by kofspades on Aug 2, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was it a million or a billion?

I couldn’t watch, didn’t hear it.

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 2, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billion

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

It was still a great line nonetheless!

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 2, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB, I've told you a MILLION times not to exaggerate!

I mean, honestly. Sigh.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why Bob is there

To give voice to our collective thoughts in that situation.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 2, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any other park and Theriot's hit in the 9th ends it.

That was home run power in most stadia, but alas, it was not quite enough juice to Gregg-proof that one. Derrek Lee, however, continues to mash like a man possessed. That was a line drive into the seats in left, so beyond doubt that Len Kasper shouted “Cubs lead” before the ball was even halfway to the wall.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 2, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I had help from a fellow BCBer...

…I couldn’t use ALL of my old altar boy Latin to “suss” out the phrases…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought Paulino Had Struck Out

I thought Paulino had struck out on a foul tip a few pitches before he hit the homer, but Paulino got enough of the pitch that Hill didn’t catch it. After that foul ball, Gregg was horrible.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 2, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

missed foul balls + the marlins = disaster

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez

I was watching Ramirez and I think it was the heat.

I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 2, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

You'd think

someone from the DR would be able to withstand Florida weather.

Crap, I’m starting to sound like Dusty.

by daeviant on Aug 2, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

..."dude"... (toothpick shifts from left to right in mouth)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

"dude"

“That reminds me of the time Bobby Bonds and I went bowling…”

by daeviant on Aug 2, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

ditto

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 2, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano looked comical on the infield.

This quote by him amused me.

“It feels very confusing,” Soriano said about playing third. “When I play left field, I see everything from far away. At third, I see everything close, and I don’t feel comfortable. Thank God, nobody hit me a ground ball. I didn’t feel comfortable.”

However, as dumb as his comment sounds, I must say he took the shifting very well. But yes, thank God nobody hit anything to him.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that 10th was interesting.

Reminded me of the game where Sean Marshall played left field so Lou didn’t have to take him out of the game. Lou has done some entertaining managing lately, that’s for sure.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 2, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is it dumb?

His english isn’t the greatest, and he was trying to be honest and put it into words that he didn’t feel comfortable playing 3rd.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 2, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, maybe dumb is too harsh. I understand it's not his first language.

It’s just that it’s nice to know that he realizes 3rd base is closer than left field. I honestly didn’t mean anything bad here. I thought he took the moving back and forth from 2nd to 3rd very well.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe you don't want him to admit he's not comfortable about there

so if the Cubs are again in a situation where he needs to come into the infield, the opposition will strive to hit the ball that way. Why admit a weakness?

by ChipSet on Aug 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

The Marlins couldn’t have been that stupid to not know it was a weakness without him saying that though. Could they? If it wasn’t obvious enough, Lou pretty much told them by moving him back and forth in hopes to avoid the possibility of a ball being hit to him. I would think they had to have been trying to do just that. Fortunately, they were unsuccessful.

Admitting he’s uncomfortable is not the best idea though.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bet he works out for a little bit with Tram in the next few days, just to ease his mind, and quicken his glove...

…can’t bunny hop on ground balls hit to you…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, "shouldn't" would have been a better word to use.

It would be interesting to see though.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mother tongue and sounding silly

I know what is like trying to communicate in a language which I do not fully command. For somebody who did not grow up speaking English, his comments are extremely well put and not dumb at all!

by eths on Aug 2, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Once again,

sorry if I offended anyone with this. It just struck me as a funny thing to say. Like yeah, duh, third base is closer. My bad.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes third base is closer, and we all know it

His point was how different the perception of the game is, because third is so much closer than the outfield. And that it was not something he felt at ease with. So “Like yeah, duh, third base is closer” but what does that mean for a player, who mainly plays in left field.

>My bad.

Don’t worry – I’ve had plenty of bads myself. It’s part of being a human being…

by eths on Aug 2, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

you said sounds dumb

a written quote from anyone that doesn’t have a pretty full grasp of the language will sound dumb. I don’t get the jumping on you for that.

You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another

by shake n bake on Aug 2, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

All

in all the Marlins come backs not with standing, was a fun game to watch.

Trade Doug Deeds to Washington.

by wild bill on Aug 2, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

5 pm start today?

That’s a stupid start time today, although we probably need the rest. Games like last night age fans as well. I could feel the gray hairs popping up after Paulino’s HR. Let’s finish the freaking fish and get on to Zinnzziatti!!

by Fully Kreusened on Aug 2, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

5pm ET - 4pm CT

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

5 PM not too bad...

…that would be 11 PM local time, so I’ll be able to watch at least half the game before sleeping and getting up early for work on Monday.

by eths on Aug 2, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

rangers only play night games at home from May until August...

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Aug 2, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really. Had a Shea Stadium feel to it, didn't it?

Gregg threw what, 40+ pitches last night. You won’t see him again tonight I’m betting. (unless we need only one out to win it…oh wait, nevermind…)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did Milton Bradley ever hear of

“if it’s close with two strikes you have to swing.”

P.S. How hard is it for this guy to know how many outs there are in an inning?

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

He should ask Koyie Hill

Who has also had problems with this. Didn’t you know?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

by berselius on Aug 2, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol's Eighth Inning

That’s something Mitch Williams would have loved. Marmol walked two (one intentionally), hit a batter, but gave up no runs and no hits. That bottom of the eighth was far too scary for me. Brenly is really frustrated with Marmol. He suggested that if the Cubs were comfortably ahead in the standings that the Cubs would consider sending Marmol to the minors to work on Marmol’s control issues.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 2, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I heard that

and I agree. Marmol seemed to find the strike zone on the last 2 hitters, thankfully, but he was a train wreck prior to that. I mean, when you hit someone on their shin, that’s doing something!

Heilman pitched great and Gregg proved the old cliche that the last out is the hardest to get.

Let’s get that win today!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 2, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. He needs to work his mental issues out in Iowa.

Marmols problem isn’t his arm, arm slot, location or anything other than the 8" of real estate between his ears… and my, what ears they are, Virginia…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was as though after the bases were loaded

a switch went on in his head and he suddenly found the strike zone. Weird.

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He got some positive visual reinforcement from strikes being called and batters swinging and missing

and yes, it looked like that made all the difference. That should be a huge clue to the coaching staff- and is probably why he didn’t get pulled earlier in the inning. I was ready to give him the hook.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Marmol warms up in the

pen, one of the coaches stands in the left side to help him prepare for a hitter…sometimes it works,,sometimes it doesnt

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 2, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like they need two coaches out there

Marmol should just hit the first one and throw four balls around the next one. Get it out of his system….

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and on that note

may I say that the job I would most love is Lester Strode’s. Guy gets to hang out with the players on the field, and all he has to do is answer the bullpen phone and hold a clip board. Sign me up!

by CaliCub on Aug 2, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously wonder day in an day out how Lou hasnt figured this out.

Heilman does not throw well when he inherits runners. If the bags are empty he does well.
Marshall does well with inherited runners. Why does he keep using them so wrong sometimes?

Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus

by jkobus on Aug 2, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

How about the fact

That Heilman threw two good innings against a team that destroyed him in the last two years?

And yes, I agree with you about Heilman and inherited runners. Lou is stubborn when it comes to the bullpen so I guess it doesn’t matter what the facts prove.

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou

Is he stubborn or is he coaching for a time when he doesn’t have the luxury of giving a damn whether a pitcher is comfortable coming in with no one on base? Lou’s opinion is very firm do your damn job or see ya.

by KyCubsFan on Aug 2, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. He's tired of having to baby his pitchers and adjust HIS game plan to their phobias.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was fine with shuffling the starting rotation around to let Harden pitch at night

until injury forced his hand.

You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another

by shake n bake on Aug 2, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is just typical Lou

He did it last year with Howry. He’s going to put in whomever he wants and we as fans just have to deal and complain about it.

It’s August so I highly doubt anything will change.

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 3 players that Heilman

faced in the ninth are a lifetime 1 for 33 according to the Marlins announcers.
 They call Heilman the Marlin Killer

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 2, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can he start today?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Heilman was a Cubbie Killer?

But if they are 1 for 33 I am shocked. Really shocked.

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could the Marlins have destroyed him the last two years?

Seriously, they kept showing one Marlins hitter after another – Ramirez, Ross, Hermida, etc – who was 1 for 8 or 0 for 10 against him.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 2, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I was mistaken then

I’m allowed.

I guess it was every other team in the NL East that devoured him.

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad I didn't watch the whole game

Once the score got to be 5-3 I decided I couldn’t sit through this on a Saturday Night even if the Cubs did win. Thankfully they did.

Jessica, if you read this, I’ll be at Kelly’s in the next couple weeks. Trust me, this is not one of those games you wanted to meet me for the first time. You would have heard me complain about everything!

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Straight to Cincy

Off day on Thursday before 4-game series against Colorado.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Aug 2, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Cincinnati, but

I’d rather have the off day in Denver, were I the Cubs.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 2, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what position the Cubs would be in

if Paul Bako was our backup catcher instead of Koyie Hill.

::shudder::

Koyie gets miles of slack from me for his mediocre hitting, because he has been invaluable on defense.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 2, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he's...

Thrown out over 40% of runners.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 2, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why does "invaluable" and "valuable" mean the same thing?

Just wondering. Sort of like “inflammable” and “flammable”. Strange.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

not exactly the same

Valuable means has a lot of worth. Invaluable means so valuable you can’t actually put a price to it, i.e., not able to assign a value.

by false cognate on Aug 2, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right... technically, they mean opposite things...

valuable things are able to be assigned value (though we typically only use the term to describe things of higher value). Invaluable things cannot be assigned a value.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

But not really opposite

because they both are things that are precious. “Valuable” means we put a high value on it. “Invaluable” is so precious it’s (high) value can’t be measured. Kind of like “pricey” and “priceless”.

by ChipSet on Aug 2, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

AAAGH ITS not IT'S

Sorry for the apostrophe abuse. I hate it when that happen’s (J/K).

by ChipSet on Aug 2, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Valuable literally only means "able to be valued"

we’ve just changed the connotation to mean something of high value. I don’t disagree with you in what is meant in practice – I was merely commenting on the literal meanings.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

So "flammable" means "able to burn" and "inflammable" means...

SO flammable that it can’t be set on fire?

Just extrapolating a bit… ;)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it's slightly different, as inflame is a word

flammable means able to burn… and inflammable means able to be inflamed

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a LOT of "inflaming" going on at BCB. Especially during game threads...

Speaking of an inflamation…

buh-duh-boom! CHING!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

or Henry Blanco

A lot of people wanted him back but he was never that durable and is on the DL again. Hill goes out there day after day.

by rlpete on Aug 2, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are the facts about Nunez staring Hill down?

I missed something.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Hill was upset by the game on Friday when Nunez was excessively celebrating after closing out the game. When Hill charged down the first baseline yesterday,

…he happened to “brush” past Nunez and why I believe Nunez was starring him down. Bob mentioned that Hill would “crush Nunez into a million pieces” if they started anything.

www.Tomahawknation.com

by TrueCubbie on Aug 2, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nunez is a punk

After acting like he did Friday night, he’s upset with Hill for brushing past him. Seriously?

I’m glad we hung the L on this clown.

by dedfishflote on Aug 2, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was ridiculous

Koyie was just hustling to try to keep the inning alive; when Nunez took the toss and tagged the bag he didn’t get out of the way. I suppose he was expecting Koyie to just give up, as it was semi-routine, but to me it looked like Nunez’s fault.

by false cognate on Aug 2, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope this ends here and doesn't lead to some "retaliation"

that could cause any injuries/suspensions.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hill was already out when he was two steps from the bag.

He was hustling to make a point.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dartmouth Cub said he was there last night and said Hill leaned into him.

i’m sure for being a tool last night staring him down…so being a punk Nunez has to do it again to show how tough he is. I’m very glad Hill was smart enough to walk away, everyone knows we have only Fox after that if he were to draw a suspension plus…it’s irritating sure…but still just staring.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how smart Hill was if he really did lean into him

Isn’t that a means of continuing the pissing contest? Yeah, it’s a good thing he walked away, but a better thing would have been to just ignore it.

Not to get political here but didn’t Obama do a little gesture during one of his election speeches, like brushing lint off his shoulder. Think he picked it up from some rapper-type (JayZ?). Wherever it came from, I think it represents the best response to this kind of stuff. Just sorta brush it off, like it’s a little piece of lint/dust/dirt. Move along son, you’re hardly worth my time or attention…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah it's from a Jay-Z song

You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another

by shake n bake on Aug 2, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has there ever

really been a pissing contest….If so I never see any advertising for it

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 2, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im trying to

come up with an app for Iphone so I can be rich!!!!!

ps Iphones are not to get wet……

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 2, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is an app, its called ipee urinal :P

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was what Nunez did Friday

anything different than what Marmol and Big Z do on a regular basis after a big strikeout?

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Aug 2, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the downside of sports as entertainment

The spirit of sportmanship and respect go out the window, and someone is very likely to get seriously hurt.

by CaliCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you see it or are you just trying to pick a fight?

In case you haven’t been paying attention, Z has (for him anyway) calmed his act down a lot this year. Yes, you still get the fist pump, and the point to the heavens after the inning is over. You’re reaching a bit even including Marmol in the discussion.

What Nunez did was over the top, ala the “quiet dignity” of Valverde.

by dedfishflote on Aug 2, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

marmol did do the fist pump/yelling thing last night

but then again he did do a magic trick

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is a cards fan...

Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball

by lexmarklover on Aug 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

see, that's just it. What Nunez did was over YOUR definition of what "top" is.

To a lot of people, it’s ALL over the top – you’re just talking about degrees of over-the-topness. So I guess it’s up to each person to draw their own line as to what’s okay and what isn’t.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because it wasn't a "big strikeout"

the Marlins won 5-2, he struck out Koyie Hill with one person on base. Now Marmol’s situation last night in the eighth was a different situation, he had the bases loaded, by his own means of course, and struck out that last two batters in a one-run game, that is something to celebrate, and I, and I’m sure along with everyone else, would not of had a problem with Nunez’s celebration, if he had gotten out of a similar situation. It is all about the context of the excessive celebration, like Ryan Braun’s, solo homerun celebration against the Cub’s, when the Brewer’s were up by like 3 runs, unnecessary.

You’re killin’ me Smalls!

by dtc0405 on Aug 2, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks,

I had the tv on mute with the radio on. I saw the stare but didn’t know what it was about.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

the good the bad the ugly

the good-scoring 9 runs. the bad-bullpen. the ugly-ramirez and z getting hurt and soriano at 3rd. these damn fish keep coming at you.brought back bad memories of the 03 postseason. after ramirez i think theriot is the player i would most like to have up in a rbi situation. after big d of course. we need to play the a game because the cardinals are looking real strong.

by NOMAR on Aug 2, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone said it yesterday

Matt Holliday has to come back to earth sooner or later. I don’t think he’ll hit .600 through September. It would be nice if Houston could take one from the Cardinals today. Suddenly the Astros and Brewers are 5.5 games back.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't tell Mitch Williams that

His man-crush on Holliday is reaching DeRosa-esque status.

by CaliCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

i expect when he does regress that pujols will go on a tear.

these are the cardinals remember; they tend to be pretty fortunate, and things are going very well for them this year. the cards are going to win a bunch of games. i’m not sure we can keep up, but if we stay close we should win the wild card easily.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 2, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

carpenters arm will fall off in the next month

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me neither.

It’s only a matter of time until Carpenter loses some steam, and I don’t think that Wainwright can do it all by himself.

I have been to five Cubs games in my lifetime.

The Cubs' record in those games: 5 wins, 0 losses.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 2, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

jesus christ does not regress

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al......Aramis wasn't the go ahead run when he was hit....

…he came up right after DLee’s homer.

Either that pitch REALLY got away, or it was intentional. But I don’t care about all that, just happy with the win and hope Z and Rami are okay.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

and hope Hanley is just sore enough not to tee of on Dempster today!

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 2, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was intentional, Al must have been tired last night to think the game was still tied.

The Fish picked their spot and it was good timing. It went Ramirez for Ramirez…ours was unintentional, and as long as there is no permanent damage its a wash…we can’t afford a beanball war, for injuries or suspension. Let’s hope this simply dies away today and Florida simply brings out a stuffed Bartman doll in the 7th inning (They can’t resist being tasteless and stupid for a whole game). See the Brewers for what happens when you can’t let things go and lash out at the other team like a kid.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

offspeed pitch on a 2-2 count.

yep, that’s got intentional written all over it…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

When rami got hit, wasn't tied

Nunez, in a sense, blew it at the time. He was pissed, looked like he threw at him IMO

by Wrigster on Aug 2, 2009 9:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Please note,

I’m not trying to start a conspiracy, or a bean ball battle, just thought it looked intentional

by Wrigster on Aug 2, 2009 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You guys are right, the Cubs already had the lead.

It wasn’t intentional. At least I didn’t think so.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't.

An off-speed pitch, a 2-2 count, the Marlins should have already retired Ramirez on a foul ball that was dropped, and it was only a 1-run game with Aaron Heilman coming in.

I’ll say it again in this thread, but a little toned down:
The goal of Major League Baseball teams is to win games. Sometimes, retaliation happens, but not in games that they have a chance to win where a HBP could significantly lesson that chance.

Teams don’t get together 162 times/year to show each other how tough they are.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean like the Brewers?

I enjoy your posts badger, but I think you are off on this one. Surely not every time but it sure happens and can come in bunches. Not 162 times, but yes they do get full of pride and put themselves first instead of the team…I’m just glad the Cubs didn’t do that last night. It usually goes best player for best player…and since Lee has a lot of friends on the Fish, (at least you’d think so)…Ramirez was the one. He threw at his hip…safe throw now we move on.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, afraid you would have to put your money on youth and agility over old and slow...

Sorry BB.

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way...

Never underestimate old man strength.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Aug 2, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL. Speaking as one of the "old men", ASLO never underestimate the old adage: "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak..."

Overplaying “old man strength” is what tore my Achilles tendon in a pickup touch football game…

…reality sets in at some point just to remind us that time marches on…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

what about k hill v nunez

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

WWE feature match of the week on WGN-TV!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

If ever there was a need for a Hulk-Z photoshopping

it would be now.

“The madder Z gets, the stronger Z gets! RAGGGHHHH!!!”

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Country strong v. big and bat-shit crazy....

god that’s funny. sounds like the title for a WWE fight!

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wacked out game

had to follow the game on the computer at work. Got to hear Ronnie and Pat in the infamous ninth by the Marlins, unreal, I thought Ronnie was gone.
 Lee is a man, huge hit.
 Couple other things: Shark needs to get to Iowa soon and work and work some more or enter the NFL draft next year.
 Milton has been brutal. I don’t want hear he is walking alot and his OBP has been great. Would it hurt just once in awhile to get a hit with a runner on base? Theriot is a better RBI man. And I will hear that RBI’s are not a good indicator of a hitter, oh really. Milton has busted 30 RBI’s, enough already, we are running out of time for to start hitting. The excuses are worn out.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Aug 2, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Koyie Hill

How many games in a row has this machine started? And what is the record for consecutive starts by a cub catcher.

Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus

by jkobus on Aug 2, 2009 9:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Randy Hundley started 156 games in 1968.

He started the first 26 games of the season (and finished all but one).

Then he started 40 more consecutive games before getting a day off. (But he went into the game he didn’t start.)

Need I go on? Hundley also caught both games of a doubleheader SEVEN TIMES that year.

Hill has 22 straight starts. Got a ways to go before he can be considered “Iron Man” like Hundley.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well damn

That is a lot of starts. But I give hill huge props for this streak. Being a back up catcher and holding down the catcher spot for so long is awesome

Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus

by jkobus on Aug 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

True.

And the Cubs are 14-8 in those 22 games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kudos to him, he has looked terrific behind the plate, better than I knew defensively.

He has that average plummeting though and I sure hope Soto brings his bat with him. I know catching all those games sure can be part of it, but either way some offensive production would be nice.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Andy MacPhail quote

“There does come a time when the standings are the standings.” — Orioles GM Andy MacPhail on the last-place teams’ decision to trade All-Star closer George Sherrill to the Dodgers.

Thank you Captain Obvious!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

That's kind of as bad as when people say

“it is what it is” when they’re too lazy to comment on something.

by daeviant on Aug 2, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

...like "same old, same old"?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

AMac sure has changed his tune

Time was when he lived by the credo “I just hate to waste a season”, and perpetually kept the Cubs’ roster stocked with the Leo Gomezes and Ismael Valdezes of the world when he should have embraced a proper housecleaning plan and planned for the long-term.

by CaliCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which reminds me

I don’t miss the times when the cubs would, at this time of year, be dealing for a Cole Liniak. Guys like that, we wouldn’t be picking up now if they were released.

by tim815 on Aug 2, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

You get in there, put your head down, play hard, and god willing....I'm just glad we came out on top.

Reminds me of Bull Durham with Costner talking to Robbins…on how to handle the media.

When you’re a big star in the show and you wear nasty stained flip flops everyone will think you’re “colorful”…but until then it just makes you a slob!

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dean Wormer says: "Fat, drink and stupid is no way to go though life son..."

Hope you weren’t driving…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but games like this don't entertain me at all

Nerve wracking…the ninth inning was nothing short of a nightmare. Two outs, Gregg looks like he’s dealing and then complete and total implosion.

Positives; (1) At least they pulled it out and (2) Hopefully Lou’s decision to stick with Marmol in the eighth (while most of us were screaming at the tv to “take him out” ) will be a confidence builder that will pay off down the line.

And, please God, I hope Paul Sullivan was right in today’s Trib and Rammy is okay and will be playing today.

by bluekoolaide on Aug 2, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Well.....

….he kinda didn’t deserve that win. LOL.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 2, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

he almost kinda deserved an open hand slap from Rothschild. They cut to him in the dugout just shaking his head during the meltdown.

by beckmania on Aug 2, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was so weird

Gregg had gotten ahead of everyone and didn’t seem to be missing by much…

it was a strange inning.

by Allie on Aug 2, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gregg had two outs

and looked like a win was moments away and then all hell breaks loose. Thank you Aaron for saving this game.

I don’t even know what to think of Marmol any more. Get the kid some help so he can be the pitcher we know he can be.

Really hope Z and Aramis will be okay. Please let the injuries stop.

Let’s win this one tonight in 9. My ulcer can’t take another one like last night.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 2, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

The thing about Gregg...

was that his was pitching well, I thought. (In the sense of mostly hitting his spots, getting ahead of hitters). For whatever reason, they just managed to pull out 2-strike hits and hit it where we weren’t (including in the stands!). I kinda figure that’s bound to happen to every pitcher now and then.

Hopefully he brushes it off and comes back strong.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 2, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had the same confused feeling

He was pounding the strike zone. He overpowered the first two guys.

Sometimes you have to give the other guys some credit, too. That wasn’t just “bad Gregg”.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 2, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the HR rattled him as was suggested last night on here.

He not only gave up hits after that but walked too. Fortunately he shakes those off a lot of times…and either way we know he’s blown saves before, let’s hope he shakes it off again. His stuff did look good…just erratic after the HR.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gregg hates the Village People

and wanted to game to go so long that they left the stadium

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 2, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our bullpen is down right awful. AWFUL.

And every g damn week, someone else gets hurt. Last night, two guys went down. Unbelievable.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

and amazingly enough

we’re only a half game out of the division lead. and two games up in the lost column. maybe not so very awful.

"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck

by MOCubsfan on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, they don't have this many guys getting hurt...

and they added 3 new good bats to their line-up…. and have a cakewalk schedule in August.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see how long Lugo remains a good bat...

Though to date he does have a good line. What I think is crazy about Lugo is that his BABIP is .359 (!). On the one had, one would assume that’s unsustainable. ON the other hand, he does have a higher than normal career BABIP.

I want to call him extremely lucky, but I guess if you can sustain it over the course of a career that means it’s not luck…(though I still hope it by about 30 points or so this season…)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 2, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

actually, our bullpen has been average to slightly above average...

top half of the NL in ERA, second-lowest BAA at .228, 6th lowest OPS against. The only thing the bullpen does badly is give up walks (a lot of them).

But the bullpen isn’t awful. It’s just inconsistent and perhaps mediocre.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, only the reds in our division

Have a better bp era…

But how dare we throw out stats as an argument, lol

by Wrigster on Aug 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jeff Spellcheck needs to go to Iowa

And all of them need to stop walking people. It’s ridiculous how many free passes we’ve handed out. Especially to start an inning.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Daytona ?

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 2, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I shook my head when he showed up for his second inning. He ate innings, but the cost was a bit high.

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think last night signed his ticket, at least I hope so.

I don’t think the Cubs should give up on him, I think he needs work in the minors…and not in difficult situations in the bigs. He has a live arm…wish we hadn’t heard this so much before.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

As team, we've issued the 2nd most BBs in the majors. Horrendous.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

While bb's aren't great

They arent runs. I see your arguement, but era is the stat that I would go by to decide whether or not they’re horrendous

by Wrigster on Aug 2, 2009 11:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, they walk WAY too many people...

but they make up for it by not giving up hits. So while the walk rate is horrendous, the hit rate is fantastic. Which works out to average/above average on aggregate. So they’re not awful.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It would be fun to watch if they cut down on the walks though. Imagine their hit rate + no walks. It’d be domination.:)

But they’re still doing pretty well, as is.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 2, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adding to that

The Cubs and Marlins are 4th and 5th from the bottom in first pitch strikes thrown. (from L&B stats inc page)

No wonder all the games between the two have taken years.

by Allie on Aug 2, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

On A-Ram
Looking at what A-Ram was doing when he left, it didn’t appear related to the HBP — he appeared to either have something in his eye or was having problems dealing with the heat and humidity in addition to whatever pain he had from the pitch -

Al, we thought A-Ram was crying because he knew he was heading back to the DL.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

LOL

Let’s hope not.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was possible he was woozy from the beanball and the humidity.

Pointing at his eyes and face suggested it too like Len and Bob said. With his relatively recent shoulder separation, your body can get overloaded dealing with all those things. Let’s hope that’s what it was…and I’d be tempted to give him a night off regardless to let that bruised arm heal while avoiding that humidity…he was sweating profusely, while many were there it’s another sign he needed rest.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugly Win

I like cliffhangers, but Zambrano’s back, Aramis Ramirez’s arm, and too many innings of relief pitching for both teams made this one not as pleasant as winning a road game should be. Let’s win today and get out of Florida with less drama. Hoping Zambrano and Ramirez can carry-on.

by AboutTheCubs on Aug 2, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Marmol

Nobody asked me, but has anyone else noticed that watching Marmol trying to throw his fasball for a strike is like watching Shaq trying to make free throws at crunch time.

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Aug 2, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

It's amazing how bad his control has been this year...

the guy went from having no control in 2006 to being amazing in 2007 and 2008. He’s still pretty much unhittable this year, but man has his control deserted him.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's all about the 8" of real estate between his ears.

I don’t believe it’s mechanical or LR would have corrected it by now…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

about the game tying triple in the ninth.

weren’t we playing no doubles? i understand the ball was hit on a line, but dome can’t let that thing get over his head. big positioning mistake. thank god the cubs were able to pull it off.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 2, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Dome plays a deep center field. If a ball is hit over his head,

you couldn’t catch it unless you play on the warning track. That was just a rocket.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 2, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was surprised to see that

He plays CF from Racine when the Cubs are at home

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by berselius on Aug 2, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's true. We have chats between innings.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't playing as deep as normal at that moment...

And the same thing happened Friday night as well, if I remember correctly.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not as deep as normal?

Keep in mind that CF in Miami is 434 feet. That would have been on top of the batter’s eye in Wrigley.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can position an outfielder up there, right?

“It was a clean catch! He’s OUT!”

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

SWL- how about a pic with Dome on the top of the batter's eye lounge playing CF?

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh... yeah...

I guess when you see him standing in that outfield, he doesn’t look so deep. :)

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Aug 2, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

so, no doubles defense doesn't work in florida's park?

i hate that place. still, i would’ve like to see dome deep enough that nothing could get over his head, at least in that situation.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 2, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you sack

That first ball on friday that went over his head I was thinking he was playing shallow too…dunno, let’s hope some research on spray charts or advice was sought for the best place to position yourself there. It’s easy to say he was playing way too shallow when he can’t catch up to a hit. That said he did look shallow and the game was on the line when you sure don’t want a double or triple.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shades of 2007....

Does anyone remember how in 2007 the Cubs were attempting to clinch the division and had a road trip to Florida in late September? Then they got swept and had to salvage everything against Cincinnati right after. Sounds a bit familiar…. (thankfully, not the swept part)

by Hilary Lee on Aug 2, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Well we are better now

No sweep.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 2, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

aram went out because of dizziness from the pain

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12011925

i dont know if its a good thing that the pain was bad enough that he got dizzy

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

He was hit on the forearm and it made him dizzy?

Was his forearm resting on his head when he got plunked?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I can understand that.

It hurt. It was hot & humid. He’d played for almost four hours.

I’m guessing he will feel a lot better today.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

True. It just "reads" strangely...

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus he is still recovering from his shoulder separation

After four hours it wasn’t surprising to me that he had trouble dealing with it.

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 2, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. That's true. Forgot about that possibly affecting the HBP area too...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm fairly certain that the aram hit by pitch was

a tailing fastball that tailed a LOT. i don’t think it was a breaking ball. but i agree – it didn’t look to be intentional.

by John T. Unger on Aug 2, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Great win-that-shoulda-been-much-easier-than-it-was

I felt like I’d been through the wringer after watching the up-down-up-down-up of the whole contest. It felt like an 8-hour shift of heavy lifting. This is supposed to be fun, right?

…well, it is. Provided you win. :)

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone notice during Theriot's triple

Whomever scored 2nd, had to push the catcher away. Like it looked almost as if the catcher was bullying him (the ball wasn’t coming his way) and he literally had to be shoved past.

I only saw this highlight on MLB.com so the picture quality could be hiding the fact the ball was coming to him.

by ak123 on Aug 2, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

jeff baker v john baker

battle of the muffin men!

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

with Dusty as the ring referee...

…and Poppin’ Fresh as the ring announcer…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Kitchen Stadium

“Don’t get mad, get oven”

Only on pay-per-view

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. I noticed it too. My reaction was: "Get the hell out of the way dumb**s..."

It could have been obstruction if it came into play. But ultimately, it didn’t matter…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

I did not know that. Maybe the late start causes that, although it’s three hours before ESPN’s game.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely ridiculous.

I pay close to 200 bucks for MLB EI and I can’t watch the game today? What a load of crap.

by kanderber on Aug 2, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, now I'm effing pissed.

I can’t believe this game won’t be on the MLB package today. Damn, Hell, Ass!

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about

On my iPhone?

by Wrigster on Aug 2, 2009 12:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You got a flux capacitor?

Hey, couldja go forward in time to tonight, get the results, come back and tell us?

by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 2, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

1.21 GIGAWATTS! 1.21 GIGAWATTS!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

bunch of crap

it pisses me off when they have two telecasts of one game (eg the Indians- Tigers today) and leave out others.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Aug 2, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

THAT DOES IT!

I’m going to turn on the Astros/Cardinals game right now and GLARE at Matt Holliday in the hopes of putting some kind of hex on him. He’ll be forced to come out of the game with a severe hangnail or explosive diarrhea. Or both.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 2, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the passion

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Aug 2, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, if you look closely at the EI

schedule, we will be treated to Fox/Ohio for the entire Reds series. Monday, of course — is WCIU, so that is never on the package and Tues/Wed there are no dual feeds.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

To complete this comment it appears WGN

is NOT covering any of the Reds games? Is the pocket schedule correct?

Yikes. 3 days of Thom Brennaman?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What ESPN taketh away

ESPN gives back. Monday’s game is on the leader. Only 2 days of Thom Brennaman. Still 2 days too many.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am loving the heilman lovefest

perhaps aaron will have earned the love & loyalty of the bcb gang & cubby fans everywhere.

aaron is a decent fellow, true humanitarian and a fourth dgree knight of columbuse

by brian custer on Aug 2, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously...

… are you his cousin or something?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We asked once and he actually answered

Hometown boy and they went to ND together… IIRC

by Allie on Aug 2, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's earned my loyalty

because I really like his stirrups.

"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 2, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're saying his stirrups stir you up?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other news

Marquis drills Rolen and Rolen leaves the game.

"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck

by MOCubsfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

wuss...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 2, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I felt as if Heilman's solo homer really hurt.

It blew a darn good game from Dempster.

And to answer the question about “Why wasn’t Marshall used?” I think we already know the answer to that…Lou finds his “guy”, like Marmol last year or Soriano always, and never changes his mind. He holds onto these guys throughout the entire season, riding them, for good and bad. I commend this action on one hand because it provides stability, consistency, and loyalty to players, but on the other hand, Marmol was overused at times last year, and clearly Gregg was gassed (?), overworked, or simply didn’t have his best stuff last night.

But still, he blew two saves for the Cubbies @ his home park, which I find odd.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

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