It's Still All About Albert
Being here in St. Louis I can see the frenzy about the latest moves up close.
It looks good on the surface...on the field...so far.
But underneath and behind the scenes and beyond this year, I wonder.
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On the field, today, right now, it's exciting, but only time will tell if the price was too high.
On the field, today, right now, my concern is Albert Pujols.
For this move to pay its proper dividends Albert must be Albert...and Albert hasn't been Albert since shortly before the All Star game.
I've seen Albert go into slumps before but this one has lasted longer than most and his frustration is more visible than usual.
It seemed to start just before the All Star game when he was universally being touted as the "Best player in baseball". I don't know if that's just coincidence or what but that's when it started. And he looked tired then and still does. He's had one day off since then and I can't remember when he last homered.
Now add Holliday!
Since arriving, he's been tearing the cover off the ball...since day one. Lot's of cheers and flashbulbs from the stands and all the talk has been about him. He's suppose to "protect Albert" but there's been little to protect.
I'm wondering how Albert is taking to all this. He's been the god here since Mark McGwire left and has pretty much lived up to that status. Is the shift in attention going to make him rise to the occasion or have a mental affect and deepen his slump?
Having said all that, here's a thought that hit me the other day. TLR has always said he tries to always give his team it's best chance to win. Today, right now, shouldn't Albert be protecting Holliday?
Since the beginning of the season Albert has hit third...period. Everybody else has been moved up and down in the lineup, even the pitchers. But not Albert. At the moment Albert is living on reputation (well deserved) and still has respect....but reality is reality.
On paper (lately) it seems that the 3rd and 4th slot should be Holliday and Pujols respectively. Would that be too big a blow to Pujols and make things worse for him...for the sake of your best chances to win? HMMMM? I don't know.
I watch the Cardinals every day and watch the Cubs in the standings, so I really can't speak from a knowledgeable point of view as far as the Cubs individual players stats and performance. I pick up bits and pieces here and there, but from what I see, even with the recent additions to the Cardinals, if the Cubs stay healthy it's going to be another rat race to the end. If The Cardinals don't make it then GO CUBS! I see your chances as good as ours....unless Albert returns and everybody else clicks on all cylinders for the rest of the season. If that happens they could be devastating. Maybe that's the hope...then TLR can exit in grand fashion and let the chips fall where they may after that.
TLR's contract is up after this year, Alberts is up the year after, They'd like to sign Holliday and DeRosa. Will TLR want to keep managing without them and will Albert want to play for someone else if TLR is gone or If he is no longer god? And do The Cardinals have that kind of money? I wonder what's the long range thought process is in the GM's head. Or, is there a long range plan at all? A lot depends on Albert.
Much food for thought....at least for me.
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If The Cardinals don’t make it then GO CUBS!
Wha???
Albert Pujols is the best baseball player in the world. But me thinks it takes more than one man to win.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 2, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more.
I’m surely not trying to dis Albert. Let me make that clear right here.
I love Albert and really hope his slump is going to end soon.
I just wonder sometimes about ANY ballplayer when they start to get outshined.
Albert really doesn’t seem to be that kind guy. He always encourages and glad-hands all of his team mates and even is friendly with opposing players. But sometimes you just never know what affect it may have on any given player.
All you and I ever see is what is projected to us. We’re not in the clubhouse or the dugout and we don’t know any of these players personally, so how can we ever know?
I haven’t heard any of the broadcasters or writers (locally) say yet “what’s wrong with Albert” but I sure get the feeling that they’d like to bring it up.
All the talk is about Holliday providing protection for him and that with these additional players the Cardinals aren’t as vulnerable to left handed pitching as they were…and they pretty much are saying that this current lineup should really kick some ass. And I agree, but it’s all based on Albert being Albert and assuming he’ll snap out of his slump. He probably will, and if he does, and if Holliday, Ludwick and company do what is hoped of them, then they SHOULD kick some ass, but only if they are all doing what they are expected to do and stay healthy.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, he’s hitting .208 in the last 14 days. And .289 for the month of July. He’s just in a slump. Everybody does it.
Also, I hate Tony La Russa.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 2, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
a slump is a slump and when you watch a player everyday you know when it’s a slump that’s normal and when it’s gone on longer than normal. When it goes on longer than normal (for that player) then you start to get a little concerned that there may be something more to it. Sometimes you can just see that something’s not right. I can see that in Albert. He just doesn’t look right at the plate. He’s swinging at pitches that he normally doesn’t. He’s expanding his zone, which he never does.
is he tired? are his eyes ok? is he pressing? and so on. that’s all. managers and coaches and team mates get concerned so why shouldn’t a fan?
They almost always come out of it sooner or later. And I did say that i think he probably will as well.
I just haven’t seen him have a slump this long, that’s all. Maybe a couple weeks. This one’s longer.
And so what if he hit 289 for the month of July? What kind of production has he had in the last 30 days? How many Homeruns and how many RBIs?
Ankiel was mired in an awful slump for a LONG time and it was a concern for the club. He’s just now showing signs of coming out of it. But for him you say that because he’s been getting some hits. With Albert, he’s been getting more hits than Ankiel but that’s a slump for him. It’s all relative.
If you were watching Albert everyday you may see what I’m seeing. It’s not the end of the world and I’m not in a panic. I’m just anxious to see what this club can do when all these guys are hitting up to their potential.
and as far as you hating Tony La Russa…….good for you!
It has nothing to do with the conversation we’re having here. I’m not sure what it adds to it, so if it makes you feel good to say it then I’m glad for you.
I’m not taking the bait.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what's going on anymore.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 2, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think he likes to type...
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
You do know that this is a CUBS board, right? I would guess 99.9% of the readers here hopes Puljos never gets a hit again, at least a hit off a Cubs pitcher.
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+.289
I guess he thought this “insightful analysis” would educate us masses …saying LaRussa would move Albert in the order without a much longer slump is just trying to throw something crazy out there in the hopes it sounds “insightful”. Actually, while Albert turning it on again would create havoc, I think they need to worry about the rest of the club…besides DeRo of late not many other players have shown any consistency I would worry about, of hitters I mean. Both the Cubs and the Cardinals have a suspect bullpen and worry about hitting continuing…and I for one hope the Cubs maintain it. I think we have more balance than them but time will tell. I think the Cubs may also have an edge in that we can sign another player or two if Hendry sees a need…like getting another solid arm in the pen or another bat.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked up some stats...
and did a little math.
here’s what i found out. it doesn’t tell everything but it tells something.
2008 he averaged 1 home run every 14.1 at bats (roughly 1 every 4.7 games)
2007 he averaged 1 home run every 17.6 at bats (roughly 1 every 5.8 games)
2006 he averaged 1 home run every 10.9 at bats (roughly 1 every 3.6 games)
that’s an average of 1 home run every 14.2 at bats over a 3 year period.
Last 30 days (.268 avg)
25 games
97 at bats
20 runs scored
26 hits
5 doubles
1 triple
4 home runs
15 RBI’s
16 walks
8 K’s
that .268 average produced 15 RBI’s in 97 at bats (He comes up with men on about half the time)
a homerun every 24.25 at bats. (roughly 1 every 7.5 games)
and 1 hit every 3.7 at bats. that’s a few 1 for 3, 1 for 4 and a few collars.
These numbers can be digested all kinds of ways.
I wish I could hit like this but for Albert 1 homerun and 15 RBI’s over a 30 day period is uncommon.
I’m not saying anything here. These are just numbers for those who like that sort of thing and for my own curiosity.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in St. Louis as well Dave...though I am a lifelong diehard Cub fan growing up in Rockford.
So I’ve heard all the talk of the coming Albert signing and the salaries on the books now. Yes, they have a relatively low payroll at the moment but they have a lot of talent to sign coming up…with the big elephant in the room Albert of course. They can’t keep this team intact (though I wouldn’t necessarily want to) as it is today and sign everyone that will demand a high salary. I’ve seen the projections and the only way to do it with what Holliday and DeRosa would demand, along with the rest of the major players, is to hope Albert takes a bigger hometown discount than is sane. Or, they can hope management comes up with between 10-20 million more in payroll…which they have never shown a willingness to do.
I haven’t even factored into that LaRussa and him perhaps leaving to join DeWitt. They took a big gamble and went for this season…if it pays off, they get a championship and its all worth it but then they would be in a worse situation for the next year with everyone trying to cash in…ala Rolen, Eckstein, etc. I think they will give up on signing DeRosa and hit Holliday hard…trying to figure out the rest later. LaRussa will not change Albert in the order, I think you just threw that in there to stir up the pot because it won’t happen unless his slump goes two more weeks…and I don’t think you or anyone else expects that to happen.
What will most likely happen is regardless of whether they win the division or not, they gamble on a gutted farm system and try to buy some discount veterans again, releasing a player or two to lower payroll…any contract longer than a year will make it hard to sign said elephant so I would bet they only sign Holliday…if he chooses to do so. In my mind they are going to have some lean years after this one, unless they bet the farm on one last year and give up signing Fat Albert…which would run management out of town.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how .289 is a slump for Albert
F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Aug 2, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly my point.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 3, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m wondering how Albert is taking to all this. He’s been the god here since Mark McGwire left and has pretty much lived up to that status. Is the shift in attention going to make him rise to the occasion or have a mental affect and deepen his slump?
QUICK, PUJOLS NEEDS 20 CC’S OF ATTENTION, STAT!
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And your facts on
“Albert’s state of mind” are from where?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that his state of mind was fact.
I said “I’m wondering how Albert is taking to all this”.
the only factual part is that Holiday is tearing it up so far and about when the contracts are up. everything else is speculation. I thought I wrote it so that would come across. Sorry if it didn’t come out that way.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How'd this go over on Viva Le Redbirds?
You did post it over there, didn’t you?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't post on on Viva Le Redbirds
in fact, i don’t post on any blogs/sites/twitter/facebook, etc. except here now and then and daily kos.
i get plenty of Cardinal fan input just by living here in St Louis.
I like coming here and getting the Cubs fans take on things and to discuss things with all the friendly people here.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, okay....
How’d this go over with the “plenty of Cardinal fans” you know?
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some of them know what i'm saying...
some of them don’t. Pretty much like here, except that they understand it a little better because they see it everyday and they don’t inject anything more into it than what is said. It’s more of a discussion of opinions. They don’t try to make it into a fight. They have opinions of their own as well and we allow that and respect that among ourselves. Hell, we even respect the opinions of fans from other teams. It makes for some good baseball discussion and healthy exchange of ideas and thoughts. It’s fun.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Friendly People here."
Paging BLou and Worf, Paging BLou and Worf, please report to thread and discuss the “Friendly people here” with this Cardinal fan.
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you've never posted there, or even read that site.
For one it’s called Viva El Birdos, and they constantly insult Chicago as well as Cub fans…calling our winning song gay, our fans drunk and fat, and Wrigley a garbage filled dump. I won’t go in there often because of that even to get info on our rival. From living here for 9 years now I can tell you the people at work and in my neighborhood react much the same…even the news broadcasts and sportswriters make a point to trash both the city and the Cubs whenever they can.
You must have a small circle of friends to say this, I’ve never seen such obsession from any other city including Chicago when I’m lucky enough to go there. And that is including the WS season when St. Louis won the division…they STILL were the most happy they were there instead of the Cubs. It’s like a little brother with a constant chip on his shoulder trying to impress dad…never getting enough of showing up his brother 50 years old.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I can think of one.
I’ve never seen such obsession from any other city
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 4, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cut and pasted the Viva Le Redbirds from the post above it....
that’s what he called it so that’s what I called it.
“they STILL were the most happy they were there instead of the Cubs. It’s like a little brother with a constant chip on his shoulder trying to impress dad…never getting enough of showing up his brother 50 years old”.
I have no idea what you’re saying in that sentence but I can say this…………
I lived in Chicago for long time, part of that time I lived just a couple blocks from Wrigley and went to every game I could no matter who was playing. I love Wrigley more than any other field. And I always wore my Cardinals hat. I never encountered any fans like what I encounter here….maybe because we were face to face, or maybe I was just lucky. I don’t really see much difference in the fans here or there. It’s a mixed bag. And I REALLY haven’t gotten any sense of St Louis being any more happy about about “being there instead of the Cubs” than being there instead of Houston or Atlanta Or New York. There’s no more joy in beating out the Cubs to the playoffs than there is beating out anybody else. The most fun beating out the Cubs happens during the season. The Cubs Cardinals series’ are by far the most fun…and the Cubs always give as good as they get.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert will come here if St. Louis even tries to lowball him.
They need to give him what he wants, but if they sign Holliday and DeRosa they probably won’t have the money to.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 2, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holliday will want
big money, 6 years and 90-100 million ballpark. DeRosa will want at least 3 years 7M per. Just my guess.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 2, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols will want 25-30 million per year, 7-10 years.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 2, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Boras client,
Holliday is going to whomever is the highest bidder.
You’re killin’ me Smalls!
by dtc0405 on Aug 2, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insert Red Sox or Yankees comment here...
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have the payroll to sign both of them long term
And that’s without Boras as an agent. I don’t see how they will manage this…to me signing Holliday to anything other than a 1 year contract means they can’t sign Pujols. Which would be really irritating if they did manage to hang onto Holliday, whatever contract, and lost Pujols because he didn’t take the hometown discount they needed. None of that math makes any sense at all unless management opens up the checkbook to the tune of 30 million more per year, and I don’t see that happening given their history.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he won't.
This is just as bad as fantasy baseball trades. Albert isn’t going anywhere except maybe Kansas City.
by Mike Martin on Aug 2, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe the team willing to give him $325 million
Be it that team up in Boston, or the “other” one in new york. I’m sure LA will have two teams interested as well.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 2, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll give St. Louis first shot...
but if they don’t pay him more than A-Rod, he is out the door.
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo! Ding ding ding!
We have a winner!
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 3, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right he will give them the first shot.
And I’d say he’s willing to sign for less than that, less than a few other offers he will get. That said I still don’t think they have enough money to sign them unless they add a ton more money per year, as well as signing early to shorten the bidding…going longer as Boras usually does will just raise the pricetag more. I don’t see it happening unless they release a number of other players and hamstring the team.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert is perhaps the best player in the game
He doesn’t juice too like Sammy Sosa, man ram, big popi and the pimp
take it easy
why care about a bloggers grammar
no matter how much you hate me you still read and comment me
by angryandy on Aug 2, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
be careful what you say
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 2, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
be careful what you say
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 2, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least nothing has come out yet
I really hope that he isn’t, but how could you be surprised if it came out that he was juicing. He is huge (always has been though) and if EVERY other person putting up those kind of numbers over the past several years was juicing, how could you be surprised if Albert was too?
Again, I have no concrete reason to suspect him…but I had no concrete reason to suspect A-Rod either last year at this time. I REALLY hope he isn’t though.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Aug 3, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only guys I really care about are Sandberg, Ripken, Griffey, and Gracie.
The rest could have juiced, I don’t care.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 3, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know that, I wouldn't say he does without substantial evidence...
But as the rest said, be careful what you say cause Ankiel and McGwire sure did…you never know if evidence may come out. The truth is no one knows about any current player now.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always felt pretty good about the Cubs chances to win the division this year...
…but all of a sudden, I feel a whole lot better – even with Kevin Gregg’s latest implosion — if Cardinal fans are starting to worry about Albert.
I think you’re exactly right, Dave. Albert’s on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He must just be all angsted up inside over Holliday getting all the attention. And I’m sure he has no idea how to handle all this St. DeRosa crap. Man, nobody ever called him St. Albert. Yep, he’ll be falling to pieces very soon.
You keep on worrying about Mr. Pujols. My only hope is that all of Redbird Nation shares your concern. That way, come end of the season if the Cubs do end up on top, then it will be pretty clear that this was all Albert’s fault.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ehh
if he wants attention he can just watch reruns of the 2009 ASG
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he do there., 0-4?
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that and an error leading to a run
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 2, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's part of what I'm saying here.
He hasn’t done a lot better since then. I still think he’s tired more than anything. I’d really like TLR to give him a bit of a rest. That’s one of my sore spots with Tony. Sometimes he can run a player into the ground. Molina has caught almost every game this year and just caught an entire 15 inning game. Tony had him in again the next night for a 10 inning game.
I know sometimes it’s hard to rest a player and sometimes they don’t want a day off but Tony seems to get the other players some rest more than he does Albert…and Molina.
A day off when you’re struggling won’t hurt a bit. Albert seems to need to relax a little. He doesn’t seem to be having as much fun as he usually appears to be.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now don't put words in my mouth.
oh, I know…you’re just being sarcastic. You know I didn’t say that. I can appreciate your sense of humor.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
put it this way - if you think Albert is a problem, I want your problems.
Seems like if you’re going to worry about your team’s chances, there are a lot more areas of concern to look to than your first-baseman.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 2, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reread my posts and replies...
looking for where i said I was worried about our chances. the closest i could find is where i said the Cubs chances are as good as ours. That’s not quite the same as saying I’m worried about my teams chances….not at all.
I also looked for where I said that I thought Albert is a problem. I didn’t see that either. I said he was in a slump that’s gone on for awhile. I said I wondered If the arrival of Holliday and all his accolades may have an affect on him, And I said that with all this high priced talent and some contract issues coming up, I wonder If the Cardinals will have the ability to sign them and expressed the possibility that some may not want to play here if things don’t fall the right way.
That’s what I said, but that’s not what some people are reading.
It kind of reminds me of the Bible. It says what it says but you can say that it says whatever suits your agenda. You can make it say what ever suits you.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you know all those things you said?
Most Cubs fans could care less. We’ve got our own problems.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 2, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you for sure ballhawk
That the fans here are pissed about the trades they made, especially after Todd was revealed to be the PTBNL. A large percentage of fans thought they gave up too much to sign these two (Holliday and DeRo), they thought it was a knee jerk reaction to sign Holliday after Tony got mad they traded Duncan away…who truly sucked but was the son of his buddy Dave Duncan the pitching coach. The sportswriters were a little more favorable, but you should have heard the people calling in the sportstalk shows.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense on this one, but
the people calling in the sportstalk shows
are usually the last sources you want for actual insight.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 4, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that!
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 4, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday will explore free agency
1. He is a Boras client
2. The free agent class this year is terrible and Holliday would be the best free agent by far.
3. The Yankees and Mets both have openings in LF
4. If he signs with St. Louis, St. Louis may not be able to afford Albert.
5. St. Louis has one of the worst farm systems in baseball. There’s no help coming from the farm.
6. Right now St. Louis is barely holding onto the divison lead and Joel Pineiro is pitching like an ace and Carpenter is pitching like a super ace. Pineiro is a free agent after this year and Carpenter has been an injury time bomb in his career.
Bottom line if he can make a lot more money on the free agent market and if he signs long term w Cards, he could end up on a team without Pujols and a potential basement dweller at that.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 2, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holliday would play RF in Yankee stadium.
Less ground to cover. Austin Jackson is slated to be the left fielder.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 3, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a lot of good points here.
My only possible disagreement with you is that Pujols could end up with Holliday, only on Boston or the Yankees.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols shapes up to be one of the top 5 all-time greatest players in the history of baseball
Suffice to say I choose to respect the ballplayer and his tremendous accomplishments. He will start and finish his career with one team, the St. Louis Cardinals. Pujols loves St. Louis and they obviously love him right back. They will take collections on street corners before they will let him bolt via free agency. While Pujols plays for the Cardinals, us Cub fans would be wise to relish his presence in baseball because very rarely do you get to see firsthand an immortal play the game.
Holliday is saying all those things you say when you want to stay in St. Louis. I’ve heard him twice nice say the Cardinals are “baseball nirvana.” That doesn’t sound like a player who is going to let his upcoming contract situation get in the way of him staying in St. Louis. How’d you like to be the guy who gets to hit next to Pujols for the next five years in that lineup? That’s a damned big enticer right there.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 2, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heavens to mergatroid
sorry, just waiting for a chance to use that myself.
by CaliCub on Aug 2, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
I hope it turns out that way too. I just wonder if there is enough money. The current management has been pretty cheap lately. It’ll be a test to see what they do. I want Albert locked up here long term…with or without Holliday, La Russa, Cy Young or Babe Ruth. I want St Louis to have exclusive claims to his career. He’s a once in a lifetime player. More than that, he belongs with the Greats.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's quite enough Cardinal lovefest on the Cub board, thank you very much
I think you can go away now. We’ve kissed Albert’s ass as much as we are going to for today.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 2, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have another one you can kiss!
I think I’ll stay for awhile, thank you very much.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...wait for it
Pound sand up your ass.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 2, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you and I are done.
I didn’t come here looking to pick any fights. I came here last year and met some nice people who wanted to talk baseball. And I also (pretty quickly) ran into a handfull of trolls.
Most of them seemed to be of the immature ilk.
So this is my first visit back since the end of last season. It looks like the trolls picked up where they left off….sarcasm and unfriendly and immature. So I’m going to just ignore you from now on.
Say what you want and be as nasty as you like….it’s YOUR image you’re putting here, not mine.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does it to us, too....
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 2, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for that.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highly doubt it...........they can't afford it
The Cards are putting it all 100% on this year- they have destroyed their farm system with the recent trades, are likely to lose TLR and Duncan at year end, and have enough finacial concerns that they will not be able to afford either Holliday or DeRosa. They need to hold on to whatever finacial assetts they have to bring Albert back- and that is FAR from a given.
I do agree that they now have the better everyday lineup, and with the inconsistent Cubs, may get the division, but they have real issues after this year.
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Aug 2, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's kind of how I see it.
It looks good today but what about tomorrow? They paid a bunch for this rented addition.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn't Walt Jocketty go to an American League team???
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 3, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Pujols is good, and the best position player in the game right now.
But it’s never gonna happen they sign both of them past 2010. They don’t have the money for it without trading and releasing their best pitchers. They will be lucky to sign Albert…and if they do they STILL will have to release payroll to do so.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 4, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a slump and likely nothing else
though I’d like to see him go for the collar when the Cubs are down there for the teams’ last 3 meetings of the season.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 2, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right.
It’s just been a little lengthy, that’s all.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 2, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know why Albert is slumping?

because he is BELGIUM!
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 2, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Aug 3, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you figure it out
lemme know.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Aug 3, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a non-sequitur...
Just like “Albert can’t be Albert” because of Holliday. What does Holliday have to do with anything Albert does and more importantly what the heck does it with anything the Cubs are doing.
Plus I thought the picture was funny and it too made me laugh. I’m just easy like that.
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 3, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither,
but the picture still made me laugh. I think it’s funny maybe because this couldn’t be any farther from what is actually going on. I’m an easy audience though.
by Fonzie2178 on Aug 3, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT- Being a Belgian,
I think that is hilarious! There aren’t enough jokes about us, but that is funny man!!
Back to reality, nothing but props to AP. He’s a great player, he just plays for the wrong team :-)
by Fonzie2178 on Aug 3, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 Hits
Since the AS break and 2 of them were homers on the first game back…..I LOVE IT!!!
by TuscaniLove on Aug 3, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you're getting killed on this board, and I don't fully understand why you posted this here on BCB...
BUT, I found it interesting, informative and I think you might be the least annoying Cards fan I’ve ever come across.
by smash! on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate that!
I fully appreciate being viewed as “the least annoying”……
I suppose just my mere presence here is annoying at it’s minimum.
I explained last year when I popped up here that I was here as a friendly Cardinals fan who just wanted to take in what the Cubs fans were thinking, offer a little something from the St Louis point of view and talk some baseball.
Some people here get it and I’ve been welcomed by them. We could be at the same game, each wearing our team’s hat, have a beer together and enjoy talking baseball, each having our point of view.
But of course, there are always going to be those that just can’t be nice. They refuse. Simply because I don’t wear a Cubs hat.
I also explained that I don’t hate the Cubs and that, of course, I pull for the Cardinals but If they can’t make it I pull for the Cubs.
All that is totally lost on the TROLLS. They simply want to be jerks. ANYTHING I say here is totally without merit to them. When all else fails they pick on my spelling….being the mental giants that they are.
For the most part I take them with a grain of salt and let them roll off. But I really don’t feel like I have to take any real *%^# from someone like BLou so I either ignore them or try to expose them.
But basically, I’m just here to talk baseball with the mature fans that can be nice.
Thanks for the compliment.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 3, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the fact that you let the jerks roll off your back
As far as BLou, to paraphrase Pete Venkman, “We don’t want BLou exposing himself!”
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back, Dave.
I remember your posts from last season. It never hurts to have an opposing fan’s viewpoint – as long as said fan is respectful, which you are.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 4, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is it too much to ask that said viewpoint have some relevance to said destination - in this case, BCB?
This post was very aptly named – It’s Still All About Albert. A very interesting, thought-provoking musing on the recent slump of one of the best players in the game, as well as some theories as to why that slump is happening and possible outcomes moving forward. It’s great fodder for discussion… amongst Cardinal fans.
I still fail to see the relevance of it being posted here. And I’m sure I’m not the only one. Even more mystifying to me is the original posters’ apparent bewilderment as to why folks here might think that. I remember him from last year as well. I understand and am perfectly fine with his stated intentions to “offer a little something from the St Louis point of view and talk some baseball.”
And if I recall, his postings from last year did exactly that within the context of some Cubs/Cards discussion. But when something is posted that has almost nothing to do with the Cubs, I don’t think he should be surprised or offended by the reaction, obvious troll trash notwithstanding.
Again, this was a very interesting offering and one that probably would have generated lots of interesting discussion more germane to the topic at hand had it been viewed by Cardinal fans. I don’t understand his reluctance to participate on Viva El Birdos – this would have been a great piece to post there where Cardinal fans could have enjoyed it. Posting it here was… pretty much a big meh.
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by ballhawk on Aug 4, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, I agree - he could've done a better job of tying this directly to the Cubs somehow.
But, seeing as how the Cubs and Cards are inextricably linked, any background on some of the inner turmoils going on with their team should be of interest to us. Oh, and I’m guessing this didn’t go over too well on VEB because it seems to be a fairly sabremetrically inclined blog and this is more, well, Everyday Joe-ish.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, it's still applicable here. These last 55+ games
will hinge on the little things. Whether Albert hits .290 or .335 will weigh big on the final outcome.
I don’t personally care about his contract status but if acquiring DeRosa makes it harder to keep him in the division, perfect. He’d look great in the AL for the Red Sox or Yankees. Then I could just ignore ESPN and not see too much of him.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 4, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There may be no relevance at all
But it surely isn’t the only post I’ve seen here that has no relevance to the Cubs…or even Baseball.
Before I posted it (it’s my first post this season) I was reading a post here about the recent trades….among ALL THE TEAMS and the comments about them.
There was a lot of stuff about a lot of players that are not Cubs.
If there is any relevance here it is that this is about a team and player in your own division.
I don’t have any reluctance to read or post on Viva El Birdos. I just don’t have any interest.
I already get that same old slant from the local media and sports talk shows. It’s not THEIR views that I’m interested in.
It’s the same philosophy that George Patton adhered to:
“Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.”
except you can substitute the word “enemies” for “rivals”.
and indeed I’m neither “surprised or offended by the reaction” I get here. It’s about what I expect. Mostly I just hone in on the stuff that’s interesting to me.
I do the same thing with TV. If it’s not interesting to me I just don’t watch it.
Not all the posts here are interesting to me. I just don’t read them if they’re not.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 4, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the welcome
It’s like being helped up off the floor!
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 4, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after last nights performance
I don’t think you have to concern yourself about Albert and his “slump” any longer. I would be interested in seeing how other players in past years perform after participating in the All-Star Game Home Run derby.
"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck
by MOCubsfan on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was good to see.
and it came after a day off.
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 5, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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