Am I a bad fan for thinking that the season is over?
So, I write this in the midst of the Cubs falling to 7 games behind the Cards in the Division Race, in the midst of so many mental mistakes, in the middle of so many disappointments.
And suddenly, I realized, wow. The season is over.
It might be too early to come to such a stark conclusion. I don't know. I hope I'm wrong.
But I think there's a point where a team has to stop reassuring themselves that they have enough games to get back in contention, and actually start getting back in contention.
Here's a little something I wrote a few minutes back, to a friend of mine.
"...I don't see any bright points any longer.
Pretty much every aspect of the organization is dysfunctional or on the edge of it.
I think I'd like it if this season ended already. So that Mr. Ricketts can come in, clean house, and start anew. We have the players to do so. Well, some...
...Most of the club already gave up. I'm giving up on this season, but only because I think this offseason could solve all of the cubs' problems, now that we're gunna have a new owner. One that is an actual Cubs fan, and who should know what to do.
This season was a disappointment. As much as I believe in the team, the reality is that this club is a .500 team. They're not showing anything to prove otherwise. They're getting pounded by every over .500 team and some under .500.
All of the BCB bloggers are beginning to look forward to some football, and to Hendry's eventual firing. And maybe even to Ryno's promotion to manager....
It's sad to think that before this season, it looked like the Cubs would run away with the division. Eh. Maybe this all got to the organization's head...
The Cubs might make the postseason, but the organization just doesnt seem to want it or even deserve it.
I'm looking forward to the offseason. If they make the right moves there, then I will be sooo ready for next season. We can use this year to see what we should NOT do.
I see hope in some of the minor league players. Some players are rebounding to their former good selves.
I sure hope the cubs can make the postseason, but they're not showing anything to prove that they'll do it.
Man, Ronnie isn't even talking anymore.
I'm gunna sign off the Cubs season for now, and get ready for next year. Call me a fair-weathered fan, but well...I don't see any signs of them coming back.
In the meantime, I'll sign up for stuff to help me sound like Pat Hughes next year, vocal lessons and radio broadcasting classes and stuff. :D"
You can accuse me of being a bad fan, a fair-weather fan, if you wish. You can even call me BLou or Eric Hanna's spawn if you wish, but I can assure you I am not related to them in any way. Many of you have seen me around the boards before, just looking at the bright points of each game, with my youthful enthusiasm.
At one point though, enough is enough. All of the bright points of the club are dimmed by so many mistakes, so many blunders by everyone in the club.
I don't know, guys [and gals]. You decide.
Am I a bad fan? Am I a bad fan for not wanting to go through so many disappointments in a season that we all thought would be better than last year?
Please, comment. Blast me for it. Maybe that will keep my mind off this....
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No point investing time in an unsatisfying, fruitless venture. That having been said, I’m really enjoying following the minor league affiliates this year. As a person who will be paying attention in 2011 if there is a 2011, I’d rather pay attention to Boise (who is rebounding from an atrocious start), Peoria (very good bunch of prospects there this year, Tennessee (doing well, despite a Gregg-like ninth inning tonight), and Daytona.
I slept through much of the game in LA. Don’t regret it at all.
Not at all
But it shouldn’t be any surprise to a single person on here that the Cubs are 7 games back.
It’s not from poor managing but rather from too many injuries and disapointing performances from some key players.
As much as I want to blame Lou or anyone else…when all is said and done, healthy and playing as well as they should, this team should have 10-15 more wins.
I won’t give up until they are mathematically eliminated but yea, it’s not good right now.
by ak123 on Aug 21, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I gotta agree with fisch, here
Injured or not, Lou has made some pretty bone headed maneuvers out there this year… I think he’s been asleep at the wheel since the All-Star Break… he just seems disinterested with what’s going on. That ho-hum attitude isn’t going to get anything done, no matter what players are available.
Not sure about the 10-15 part
If they had scored 30 more runs and given up 30 less runs, according to Bill James’ Pythagorean theorem the Cubs would be a 67-68 win team right now instead of a 61-62 win team. That makes sense to me – 20 clutch RISP hits, 7 blown saves, and a couple of 7th inning pitching disasters to let close games get away.
But to get to 10 more wins, they’d have to have closer to double that. I think that is a stretch even healthy and playing at their normal potential. 10 more wins would require a huge anomaly in something like BABIP for and against.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Aug 21, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. In other words, as conceived and compared to the competition, this is a .500 team.
The injuries make it a sub .500 team.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 21, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
10 -15 Wins
I think that you are underestimating the number of runs that the Cub under-performance has cost the team. The Catcher position alone, if Soto had played up to potential, is 5 -10 HR down (which is 5 -10 runs down just on HR runs scored by the player alone). Add in the RBI’s, Bradley and Soriano not performing up to snuff and you’re already over 30 runs long before you take into account A-Ram’s injury and the other non-productivity in the Outfield.
With the pitching staff, part of it is injury and part of it is just making bad choices. But the melt downs of the closer and the primary set-up guy really add to the runs allowed.
This team, if it had performed as it should have, should have competed… even with the A-Ram injury.
by frustratedfan on Aug 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think...
…the Cubs buried themselves when they wasted so many good starting pitching performances in the 1st half. Even mediocre teams should put together good runs when your starting pitching is that solid.
It’s like a football team that constantly relies on the defense to keep them in games because they can’t score points. At some point, the defense wears down and starts to go south.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
With the Cards all for this year policy
I’m beginning to just cheer against them than for the Cubs. I still have hope they’ll implode, and the Cubs will squeak in. It doesn’t look like the Cubs will catch them without some help.
I don't hate the Cards this year as much as I thought they would
-I can’t take anything away from Pujols.
- It’s the Cubs own fault they have DeRosa.
- They traded away good prospects for not just DeRosa but of course Holliday.
- They did pickups of Lugo and Smoltz. That was very Cubs like from the last 2 years.
Just remember its highly doubtful they can resign everyone in the offseason without raising payroll by an incredible amount and that means they’ve sent their good farm away.
If you’re looking at 2010, Cardinals can’t possibly be the favorites.
Yeah
IDK, it may be because of the huge loss tonight, but really, even with all the injuries and all, we just haven’t been that good. I’m still looking forward to the postseason, but idk.
Please bear with me, I’m only a teenager venting over this season. I’m only getting ready for a lifetime of disappointments. =P
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
As a teenager you've been lucky
You’ve gotten 3 post seasons you can remember. While not memorable in good ways, they are the post season. I’m 25 so I’m in the same boat as you.
But I’m just so happy I have 4 post season playoffs I’ve already seen with my dad that I can remember. He only saw the Cubs play in the post season once with his father. I mean I can’t imagine being a long time fan like some of the guys on here who saw disappointing after disappointing season. My dad still has pain from 1969. He loves to tell me that back then they couldn’t even sell out the upper deck of Wrigley.
exactly
My dad was born in 1949, myself in 1976, and we have been able to enjoy the same 5 post seasons. I feel blessed compared to him in baseball terms.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Now with that being
I wish I could have seen a post season game in person with him. However I blame the Mets the last two years for collapsing for that not happening. Had they won wildcard Cubs would have played in Philly or NY. I don’t know if the same result would have happened but at least I could say I saw them play in October in person.
Follow your heart and/or your head - do what you gotta do to keep your sanity
But I will say this – it’s easy to be a fan when they’re winning. Obviously they’re not winning right now so of course, it’s going to be a challenge to stay interested, motivated, and supportive.
But if you look at the Chicago Cubs and see something tangible, sentient, and worthy of your devotion and support before, then doesn’t it stand to reason that now – when things are pretty sucky – these are the times when they really need your support?
Doesn’t mean you have to drink the kool-aid. But doesn’t mean you just walk away either.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 21, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
Yeah, I probably need to sleep on it. I’ll be better tomorrow.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Aug 21, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
disagree
this team is 136 million reasons for failure… we need change starting in the dugout.
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Sentient?
So not being unconscious is a good thing for a baseball team? Wish someone would tell LouPa.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 21, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I think ballhawk is just upset
because he knows he won’t be able to catch that game 7 winning world series home run from Aaron Miles.
Don't worry.
There’s always hope that Miles will do that for the Cubs in 2010.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Aug 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
actually, I'm holding out for Theriot.
I figure by 2010 he will have figured out that yes, he is indeed a power hitter and a pull hitter to boot. So I’ll play him right down the line and wait for bottom of the 9th, Game 7, when he hits that long fly ball right down the line. It will barely clear the last row of the bleachers and normally would be an easy catch for Al, except he’ll already be hunched over marking HR on his scorecard. So the ball will drop gently into my glove.
Tom Ricketts comes out and asks me what I want for the ball. I say “Release Soriano, give me an Aaron Miles-like contract, and let me platoon with Fox in left field.” He thinks for a minute and says “That’s tempting son, real tempting. I’d love to do it but you know the MLBPA will never let me get away with it.”
I say “yeah, I know, but I figured it was worth a shot. How about a couple of lifetime bleacher season tickets instead and let me shag balls during BP?”
“Done.”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Would that game 7 be this year or next?
I’m still kind of holding out for this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well if this year, then it'd have to be Game 5
thanks to Heath Bell…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I make this point all the time
What fans do has very little — if any — impact on how a team performs. The Cubs sell out every game. That’s the support we provide.
Forgive me for the negative nature of this Post
Yea, as a matter of fact, I kinda hated baseball a few years back. I didn’t know about starting rotations, about interleague play, about baseball in general. My dad was never a sports fan, so he never really took me to a game. And if he did, it was usually a soccer game, and he was the one asking questions. My mom didn’t know much about baseball either – I had to teach myself everything.
So, yes, I’ve followed 3 postseasons. I can still remember all the commotion over Bartman, and I remember being puzzled as to why he was targeted by so many Cub fans.
But through all of it, I kind of fell in love with the aura, the mystic nature of Cubs baseball.
And now, finally, I get a dose of the negativity that comes with being a Cubs fan – now I understand why so many fans are a little more jumpy about negative trends and such.
Still nothing better than Bleeding Cubbie Blue, and spending endless summer nights with other fellow Cubs fans who feel pretty much the same way I do.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
No but
Why is it always a race to call “game over” and “season over”? Maybe it could be productive before the deadline but that is gone. There is nothing to be gained from cashing it in now. Let’s just see what happens.
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
This season has long been over. krummy12 (6/30/09)
by joeschmitt on Aug 21, 2009 1:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
You’re adding me to your signature, huh?
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by Azul Cachorro on Aug 21, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
It makes you a fair weather fan.
Not looking down at you, but that’s exactly what that phrase means.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Aug 21, 2009 2:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No it doesn't.
It makes him/her a realist. The Cubs haven’t won a WS in 100+ years, but still have one of the largest fanbases – I’d hardly call that fair weather.
Merely stating the obvious fact that the team has almost no chance of making the postseason does not make one a fair weather fan. I’m with the team through thick and thin, and will be making the trek to Wrigley in mid-September to cheer them on, no matter how many games out of first they may be.
But I hold no illusions that we are about to see an historic turnaround. There is no evidence whatsoever that indicates the Cards will regress and the Cubs will turn it on. Stating the obvious does not make me or anyone else “fair weather”.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by DMCub on Aug 21, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you read the post?
I agree that what you’re saying isn’t the definition of a fair-weather fan, but that’s not what the OP said. You (and I) are sticking this season out, the OP is not.
(I don’t know how to do the quote box) “I’m gunna sign off the Cubs season for now, and get ready for next year. Call me a fair-weathered fan, but well…I don’t see any signs of them coming back.”
That pretty much says that he’s not going to pay attention anymore until next season because the Cubs are done. That is the definition of a fair weather fan. Am I wrong?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
See...
I’m 17 and it seems all I can remember are the cubs going to the playoffs and the nemerous winning seasons and playoff apperances in the past decade. So no, you’re not a bad fan, its new to the younger crowd to suddenly see the cubs fall off the page.of course it doesn’t help that the media,and other team fans pressure us for not winning a championship, but that what we should expect; and the only thing we can do is prove them wrong. So keep your hopes up, its never “over,”there will always be baseball and the cubs and you’ll just have to continue and fight trough thick and thin.
"all we know is, he's called the Stig"
by The Stig on Aug 21, 2009 2:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It isn't bad
I’ve said it 1,000 times.
Sports is entertainment.
It’s supposed to make us feel good. If a TV show or movie makes us scared, or squeamish, or depressed or just plain NOT entertained, we have every right to give up on it and no one thinks twice about it.
We are not here to pat them on their backs and tell them they still have a chance, or that they played a good game. We do enough of that for our children in Little League.
The Cubs, or any other sports team, are here to make US feel better.
If they’ve stopped doing that, or if you feel they no longer have the chance to do that, then of course it’s time to give up on them.
And let me pre-emptively say that just in case tonight starts a 19-game winning streak, you have every right to come back.
Think of it as fast-forwarding through the bad parts of a movie.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 21, 2009 6:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points, Worf
And I love your sig…someone told me the other day that there’s a coffee table book out there called something like “100 things better than boobs”, and it’s got 100 blank pages.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions
For me, I'd say that making us feel better means playing hard and being competitive with the league.
But the team cannot nor should they derive motivation in making us feel better, the latter seems an impossible standard to me. The players and team have to be motivated for themselves, to do their best and achieve the highest level they can. To me the latter doesn’t even imply winning the WS, it’s more process and day-to-day oriented.
Now with respect to spending money on viewing a sports team, yeah that’s competing with entertainment $$ for me and also time. I don’t attend games anymore because I find the experience to be too biased towards an entertainment event instead of a competition and for that kind of $$ I would much rather spend my time riding my bike or hiking or going to the beach. I can follow the competitive aspect through blogs and watching some games on TV.
I don’t think anyone is “wrong” for thinking this season is over EXCEPT for the players, coaches, and front office. There’s still a long-shot chance and getting hot could get us in to the wild card, but the players and coaches have to believe it and live it out. There may come a time when even that outcome is impossible, but guys on crappy teams still find ways to perform like pros., at least the ones who approach the game as professionals.
The Tribune has made a ton of money on pushing the Cubs as an entertainment experience and I think of the Sosa days as the worst of what that brings to the game (for me). Although I agree in part with you, it is not a scripted event and that is what separates it from pure entertainment for me, but there are many entertainment aspects to the sport.
Although I agree in part with you, it is not a scripted event and that is what separates it from pure entertainment for me
Well said, my friend, and I am in complete agreement.
Not so fast
A movie is scripted, but YOU DON’T HAVE THE SCRIPT.
Many times, movies are predictable. But guess what? A baseball game is predictable too. Sometimes you’re surprised, sometimes not.
The Cubs have bad performers. The actors (players), director (Pinella) and screenwriter (Hendry) are all doing a rotten job.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Do you honestly believe reality shows aren't scripted? :)
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Here's what I think...
Slanted towards rewarding the base and outrageous, yes.
Contestants being influenced to act controversial, absolutely.
Influenced by the voting public, definitely.
Pre-determining the eventual “winner” before the finale, no.
I can't speak for all of them
But I know actors who’ve been hired to be on reality shows.
I know that the more contest driven shows don’t do that, I once worked on casting for Survivor. But reality shows in general are known to hire actors.
by WittyUserName on Aug 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
baseball is entertainment, and when it isnt entertaining anymore, step away and come back later. That is better than posting a million “I HATE THIS TEAM” posts, or losing your mind over it.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I can kind of agree with you, or at least see where you're coming from...
but for me, it’s more than simply entertainment. It’s memories of watching games with my grandmother back in the 80’s and 90’s, and I don’t remember so much the wins and losses as just the experience of learning to love the game. It’s how I felt when I was playing baseball as a kid, on terrible teams that rarely ever won, but I still loved every minute, even when I’d cry after striking out or get hit in the face misplaying a pop fly. That’s me, that’s my connection to baseball and the Cubs. I don’t begrudge anyone else for having a different way of connecting to the game, although I won’t claim to enjoy some of the extreme pessimism and hate directed at a team that, as devoid of logic as it may be, I feel extremely attached to, almost like an extended family. I guess it’s more of a complex form of entertainment, because win or lose I’m going to want to know about it, and while of course I love it when they win and hate it when they lose, it’s the whole experience that’s got me hooked.
So I guess I agree with you in that the Cubs do make me feel “better” in that I cannot fathom what kind of life I’d have without following baseball, not in a ledge-jumping, “I can’t live without it!” crazy sense, but as a way of saying that in my 29 years it’s been a constant. And I can’t say that their play this season has made me feel the kind of bad that would make me give that up. I don’t think that makes me a “good” fan any more than any other person, it just makes me who I am.
Nothing wrong with that approach, Worf - in fact, it's probaby a very healthly approach.
But I think that kind of approach is inconsistent with what it means to be a ‘fan’. I think what you’re describing is more appropo to a follower than to a fan. And to borrow an oft-used phrase from Seinfeld… “not that there’s anything wrong with that” because there isn’t.
I just think that being a fan requires a bit more of an investment, mostly of the emotional kind. Kinda like being a parent, which you’ll soon be enjoying the wonderment and frustrations of… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I see the point. I think we're closer than you might believe
I’m a huge Star Trek fan, obviously. My tastes run to Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, specifically, but I will usually give just about any Star Trek thing a chance.
Star Trek, the franchise, has put up a LOT of clunkers. Some of the early movies were hideous. Voyager sucked and Enterprise wasn’t much better.
Every franchise — Star Wars; James Bond; Harry Potter; Indiana Jones; the Marvel Comics movies — has good and bad products.
But just because Voyager sucked doesn’t mean I’m not up for another Star Trek movie. If the Deep Space cast ever did a movie, I’d see it 500 times.
The 2009 Cubs are like Voyager. It sucks and I might soon give up watching.
But that doesn’t mean another product won’t be back in 2010 that gets me going.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Is it me
or playing on the west coast when you cannot really watch….and then get up to see another loss and things slipping…. that you really have a feeling that there is nothing you can do about it and it is over without you really getting a chance. I hate these late games, combined with no game Sunday, I feel really lost. About like Soriano at the plate lost.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Hendry’s fault in this is simple, and understandable.
He saw that the team we had for 2007-08 was not getting it done in October, so he made changes. Sadly those changes includes:
1. Freel
2. Gathright
3. Miles
4. Heilman
5. Gregg
You then add to that:
1. Soto / Fontenot / Bradley / Marmol not playing to expectations
2. Rami / Soto / Lee / Zambrano / Lilly /Dempster / Reed Johnson / Bradley / Soriano spending time injured
3. Lou seeming as if the game has passed him at least twice a week
4. team in August is still looking for an identity
5. who is the leader in the clubhouse? I think your guess is as good as Lou’s right now (this is where DeRosa and Wood are missed the most)
6. St Louis doing what it does annually, getting each player to produce above expectations, Duncan and LaRussa are amazing at what they do
Other than that, they are playing great
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
You're not bad, I hope you're wrong but you're not bad
Think we can all start facing the potential reality – if we have not yet done so – the Cubs just are not very good and will be heading home on October 5th.
It’s always tough on the real fans (fanatics, you know all of us here, not the casual fan thing I’ve heard so much about these past several years). All of us have the ups and downs rollercoaster with this team. That’s what happens to real fans.
It’s so easy for one to call oneself a “fan” when the team is ripping off victories left and right. The Bulls had millions of those in the 1990’s. The tried and true for instance those that really bleed cubbie blue are the ones that feel this the most and will still be ready and raring to go come mid-February.
Just win the next game...!
Everyone will be ready to go come February
Just because you give up before Labor Day doesn’t mean you aren’t hyped up by St. Patrick’s Day.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I'm waiting for the...
proclamation by some, “I’m never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to follow the Cubs again! I’m burning all their stuff! I’m through, I’m through, I HATE THE CUBS !!!”
Just win the next game...!
You have a fair point
A Philly columnist just wrote a pretty scathing piece about Philly fans. He basically said they should mail him their tickets if they were truly going to give up the Eagles because of Vick.
He said he’d believe it when he saw it. He’s right.
We’ll all be back next year and some will probably be saying we should trade Lee. (I will not be one of them)
That’s our right as fans. No one ever said we had to be rational. :)
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Exactly
That’s our right as fans. No one ever said we had to be rational. :)
I couldn’t agree with this more. Whenever my Brewer-fan coworkers, who’ve all packed it in for the year (and rightly so in my opinion), ask me how I can logically think the Cubs still have a chance, I always say if logic had anything to do it I’d probably never be a Cubs fan.
By no means...
…is that bad.
Being a fan of a team is always a blend of what the objective side of you feels and what your emotions are. During a season, the objective side is always tugging against the emotions, with each one taking turns dominating your thoughts.
Anything is possible in the remaining 40+ games, and anyone who has followed sports knows crazy things can happen when you least expect it. On the objective side, we also know crazy things don’t happen often, ortherwise they wouldn’t be crazy. This team is showing all signs of being done; losing games late, no clutch hitting, finding ways to lose and a track record the entire year of being inconsistant. Will the Cubs all of a sudden become consistantly good and put together a sustained run? I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
To put it another way
I wasn’t around for the Cards comeback in 1964. I wasn’t really following baseball day in and day out when the Yankees came back in 1977.
But I guarantee you that there were plenty of Cards fans and Yankees fans who gave up. And you know what? I don’t blame them.
Miracle comebacks are rare. That’s why they are so special.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I was around for the Yankees 1978 comeback
and all I can say is Dave Roberts and Kevin Millar sure helped wash the bitter aftertaste out of my mouth.
No, you're not a bad fan to think the Cubs will not make the playoffs
A few weeks ago, when the most negative people on here were screaming that “the season is over,” Baseball Prospectus’ simulator had the Cubs still having nearly a 40% chance of making the playoffs. This morning, it is down to 9%. That sounds about right to me – the Cubs would have to go 29-14 and the Cardinals would have to go 20-19 for the two teams to tie with 90 wins.
Just to do their part, the Cubs would have to do the following:
- Split the last two games of the Dodgers series (1)
- Sweep the home series vs. Nationals, Reds, Diamondbacks (9)
- Take 3 of 4 from the home last series against the Pirates (3)
- Sweep the Cardinals at Busch (3)
- Win 5 of the 8 home games against Houston, Milwaukee, and the White Sox (5)
- Go 8-5 on their other 13 road games (PIT, NYM, MIL, SF) (8)
Will they accomplish four of those six goals? Probably. Will they accomplish all six? Doubtful. Will they accomplish all six while the Cardinals acquiesce and play 500 ball? Not stinking likely – about the 10% chance that BP gives them.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
The 2009 Cubs are still in the hunt
the same way that the 1969 Cubs were in mid September. Mathematically yes, but psychologically and spiritually….not so much.
but are they hunters
or the hunted?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Are the 2009 Cubs still in the hunt....
… the way the 1969 Mets were in mid-August? Wonder how many of their fans still had hope then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, not the same
One team was starting a charge forward. The other one is reeling.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
What on this planet
makes you think the 2009 Cardinals are the 1969 Cubs?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
What on this planet...
… made anyone think the 1969 Cubs were going to flop as of August 21?
Also, on August 21, 1969, the Mets had gone 10-8 in their last 18 games — hardly a “charge forward”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
STARTING a charge forward
And a hell of a lot better than the 7-11 the Cubs have managed in their last 18, no?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda off topic
But I’m so glad I was born in 1983. Had I been as obsessed of a fan then as I am now it would have been a bad situation.
What on the Klingon homeworld
Makes you think that’s what I was saying?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured you were, but I was bored
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The Mets had the talent then that the Cubs don't have now.
We don’t even have a reliable closer, Al. And our leader in HR’s has only a few over 20. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, though.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 21, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Question about September
At what point does Hendry shut down some of the better performers like Ramirez (hurt), and Wells (innings piling up for a rookie) and start playing the AAA call-ups and guys who have been bouncing back and forth like Shark? My personal opinion is that Hendry will keep on plugging along until the end of the Cardinals series on September 20, unless this team falls to ten back.
If this team is obviously out of it, I want to see:
- Fox having six starts a week mostly at 3B and 1B but also catching 4-5 innings a week
- The eighth inning being handed over to the trio of Stevens, Patton, and Berg. Every. Single. Day.
- The Shark/Caridad pairing pitching 7 innings combined every fifth start
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
No, you're not a bad fan. You're a realist and a knowledgeable fan.
The important thing is that you root for them and be supportive, especially of those players who didn’t disappoint you. That doesn’t mean you have to turn your back to reality.
Next season we’ll all have our hopes high again.
You're not a bad fan
your are realistically calling it as you see it, and I felt the season ended in Colorado with and exclamation point with the following Phillies series.
It’s hard enough to win a division, much less 3 in a row. We were pretty lucky with injuries in 07 and 08 and we had guys picking each other up every day. Not so this season. Is it a symptom of no leaders?
The only consistent thing I have seen this year is that we look like crap for a few games or a week and then we have a game where we win 10-3, 7-1 or 17-2 and then we shit the bed again for another week. I thinkI we can all agree that Hendry hamstrung this team. I have said before that I would have taken my chances again this year with last year’s team.
Bradley is playing better, Thank you, Milton, but the season’s almost over. Soto, thanks for showing that you are still a kid and that Blanco had more to do with your ROY award than you think.
Soriano. It’s all been said. Dempster got his payday, what did you expect? Yes, he has personal issues going on, and I’m not ragging on him for that. Marmol is his own worst enemy. Gregg was a bad signing from day one. No improvement in the closer role, the spectre of Wood’s durability cost us. I feel Woody would have had another good year for us. Lou is Lou. Hard headed and has no clue at times. DO you think Soriano would get this much leash if Ozzie Guillen was managing him?
Ramirez going down was the injury that killed this team. They had no backup plan and we wasted dozens of great pitching starts while he was gone and this team kept their bats in the deep freeze.
That’s enough for now. The dead horse that is the 2009 Cubs has been beat to death and has left us with a bad taste in our mouths.
The Cardinals do what they do best. Play fundamentally good baseball and get the most out of their players, and make enough moves to improve. They have a HOF manager and The Machine. All they have to do is hang around and let the others beat themselves.
If the Cubs go on a 10 win in 12 streak starting tonight, God Bless’em. I presonally don’t see it and I haven’t invested a lot emotionally in this team this year, so I am basically “meh” about the whole mess.
Hendry and Lou got what they wanted and a few unfortunate injuries plagued us all season. There you have it, most likely a no-show for post season play this year.
I am still a fan, but I have other things in my life that are more important than getting upset over a team that just can’t get it done.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Aug 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I remember at the end of the '06 season
looking at the Cubs situation and thinking that not only were they a bad ballclub but that they weren’t going to be good again anytime soon. Then the Cubs started throwing around money to fix all the problems and while it covered up some problems and did get us two division championships, the fundamental problems that this organization had then still exist now.
Here’s hoping they can slowly turn it around.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

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