Players with 150+ PAs and OPS less than .475
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT
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But that's just for this season so far. Has anyone that offensively inept gotten that many attempts in previous years?
| Year | Player | Position | PAs | OPS | OPS+ |
| 2009 | Aaron Miles | 2b/3b/ss | 152 | .465 | 20 |
| 2008 | Tony Pena | ss | 225 | .398 | 7 |
| 2001 | Brandon Inge | c | 202 | .453 | 24 |
| 2001 | Donnie Sadler | utility | 211 | .454 | 18 |
| 1998 | Tim Bogar | 2b/3b/ss | 169 | .420 | 12 |
| 1998 | Doug Strange | 2b/3b/1b | 201 | .433 | 14 |
| 1997 | Jeff Huson | utility | 153 | .462 | 22 |
| 1997 | Pat Listach | ss/lf/cf/rf | 151 | .474 | 28 |
| 1995 | Felix Fermin | ss/2b | 219 | .457 | 20 |
| 1992 | Oscar Azocar | lf/rf | 182 | .457 | 30 |
| 1991 | Juan Bell | 2b/ss/lf | 223 | .450 | 26 |
| 1991 | Al Newman | utility | 278 | .471 | 30 |
| 1990 | Kenny Williams | of/dh | 169 | .445 | 23 |
| 1989 | Doug Dascenzo | of | 157 | .428 | 20 |
| 1989 | Bob Dernier | of | 205 | .439 | 27 |
| 1989 | John Russell |
utility | 169 |
.458 | 30 |
| 1989 | Gus Polidor |
3b/2b/ss | 186 |
.464 | 32 |
| 1989 | John Shelby |
cf | 371 |
.466 | 35 |
Just 18 players in the last 20 years have been in the same range of offensive failure while getting more plate appearances. Miles is on pace for 207 PA this season which would leave just 4 players in the last 20 years with more ABs and a lower OPS. I can only hope he doesn't maintain that PA pace.
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Wait, so what you're saying is....
Miles could be the next Pat Listach?
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the next 29 year old, about to be out of the league Pat Listach
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
no Miles is 31(?)
Listach was 29 in the season he made the list for.
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you use Photoshop for that picture?
It looks like Miles, but he’s wearing a Cubs uniform and running around the bases.
by Jody Jody Davis on Aug 21, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think it's from Spring Training.
When Miles may or may not have actually reached base.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Sure he's not rounding home and heading back to the dugout after a K?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
grounded into a force out (4-6 or maybe to the pitcher)
for the second out. infield popup (kingman-esque trajectory) and he reached second when it was caught. tis how he was caught rounding a base.
LMAO, Jody!
That one made my day—thanks!
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 21, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Coincidentaly
I’ve only vaguely heard of most of those guys…because they were REALLY bad.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I didn't realize
how bad Tony Pena was year. Of course, he at least had defensive strength.
It never gets to be easy
actually he wasn't
those were his 2009 OPS and OPS+ numbers with his 2008 PA numbers
he was still awful offensively
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Miles V. Gathright
I don’t know who is worse. I saw a lot of Miles in AAA and felt he would be a useful bench player. I don’t know if Miles has been as valuable as the literal structure of a bench this season. I wasn’t as surprised with Gathright’s poor performance, but he might have done better than Miles. That’s a real insult to say you are not the “offensive” force of the “great” Joey Gathright. At least, Gathright didn’t cost as much as Miles.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
And Gathright was a good defensive player at a difficult position.
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I'll have more to say about this in tonight's game preview.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not completely
Inge made the All-Star team this year, and Listach was Rookie of the Year, but otherwise that’s pretty much a list of “Who’s Not Who” in baseball history.
Also, while it pains me to see Dernier and Dascenzo, I love that Kenny Williams is on that list.
by Jody Jody Davis on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It was Inge's rookie year and Lisach's final year
but I’m surprised at the number of players that “accomplished” this “feat” and had a job in the majors the following year.
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW - Thanks for the good work
I added a link your research here. I hope you don’t mind.
by Jody Jody Davis on Aug 21, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No one ever needs to ask permission to link a post I write
I can’t think of a time I wouldn’t be happy with it.
It just seemed like a nice rainy afternoon project. Better than arguing more about which Colts LT sucked more last night over at SB.
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused as to why you want to DFA Aaron Miles...
He was signed to be the versatile player for the team that Mark DeRosa was last year. And he’s much more versatile than DeRo ever was — he can actually pitch! Who cares about his OPS? Why wouldn’t you want someone like that on your team????
{/sarcasm}
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
You may be on to something here.
Maybe Lou should try Miles at closer. Unlike Marmol, Miles has not walked a single batter in his major league pitching career (three innings).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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Wow
what a distinguished list of baseball players
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And he was actually intenionally walked once this year
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
And he was the player of the game once too
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Aug 22, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Was that when he was on the DL?
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
I can't be the only one who remembers this...
He had like a 2 or 3 hit day with one nice play at 2B, it was just a shitty game for everyone else so he pretty much won it by default. This had to have been back in like April or May.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Aug 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
that happens when you bat infront of the ballboy
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 22, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dascenzo was.
Dernier put up those numbers for the 1989 Phillies. Strange did so for the 1998 Pirates.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How do you explain
a guy who bats more than 100 points below his career average. Makes you wonder.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 23, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions
He's not comfortable here ;-)
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Covert Ops?
…maybe he’s a sleeper agent for the Cardinals? It’s always been a mystery why their payroll didn’t go up with the new stadium revenues.
If so, looks like it worked.
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Perspective....
To put this, er, “accomplishment” into perspective, Willie Bloomquist has never posted an OPS under. 613.
Mick Kelleher territory
Kelleher’s OPS was usually in the low 500s, but he did have a beauty of a .146/.217/.177 his last year with the Cubs (1980) in 107 PA
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Aug 24, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
In a much lower-offense era.
Kelleher’s hitting was bad, but he could at least play good defense. Miles can’t.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True enough
And in today’s hitting climate, NO position player on a 25-man roster should hit worse than Mick Kelleher did.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Aug 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a pretty elite list.
I may be reaching here, but are you suggesting if Aaron Miles was the GM, the Cubs would win a World Series in Chicago with Shawon Dunston as manager?
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
And of course, there is the founder of the Mendoza line
Mario Mendoza, 1979, Seattle. Note that the Mariners traded for him and made him their everyday SS….
401 PA, .198/.216/.249. 466 OPS, 25 OPS+.
Makes me wonder if any non-pitcher with over 100 PA ever had more PA than OPS?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
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