"F Troop" Leads Cubs To 3-1 Win Over Dodgers
by Al on Aug 23, 2009 6:27 PM CDT
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Hey, look! Not only do the Cubs have a win today, breaking a three-game losing streak, 3-1 over the Dodgers, but they also have a catchy nickname for some of their bench players.
I wish I could take credit for this one, but I can't -- credit is due to TV broadcaster Len Kasper, who referred to Jake Fox, Sam Fuld, Kosuke Fukudome and Mike Fontenot as the "F Troop", after the 1960's Western sitcom.
Fox led the F Troopers this afternoon, going 4-for-4 with his 9th HR and a pair of RBI; Fukudome chipped in with an RBI single; Fontenot made a couple of nice defensive plays, and Fuld singled. Only Fukudome, among this group, is a regular player, and he'll sit against LHP once Reed Johnson comes back. It's really nice to see these guys contributing, and while the Cubs remain eight games behind the Cardinals, salvaging one game of this series gives the Cubs a chance to have a pleasant plane ride back to Chicago, at the very least.
Oh yes -- one more thing about "F Troop". One of the actors starring in that series was named Ken Berry. At the same time the series aired -- 1965-67 -- a mainstay of center field in the American League was also named Ken Berry. Just to keep this reference on a baseball-oriented track.
Credit also due to Ryan Dempster, who was outstanding today -- Lou actually let him start the eighth inning, which was the right thing to do. Dempster ran out of gas and had to be rescued by John Grabow, who wasn't sharp today but managed to get out of the inning thanks to a couple of huge breaks. First, Fontenot's foot was off second base -- not by much, but replays showed it was -- on an attempted forceout. 2B umpire Chad Fairchild gave the Cubs the call anyway; Russell Martin advanced to third base on the play and he would have scored on the next at-bat had 3B umpire Wally Bell not called time before Orlando Hudson popped a ball into short center field that was lost in the sun. The ruling was "no play" and Hudson had to hit again. Only then did Grabow get him to hit into a double play to end the inning.
Here's how I see that. The Cubs have 100 years' worth of breaks coming to them. We'll take it.
And Carlos Marmol was outstanding in getting his fifth save of the year, and first since officially replacing Kevin Gregg as closer. He ran the count full on Andre Ethier before slipping a really nice-looking slider right over the plate to get him on a swinging strikeout (after he fouled off three other sliders), and then got another slider past Manny Ramirez for strike three called to end the game.
The Cubs' starting pitching was nothing short of outstanding on this road trip. Starting pitchers gave up 1, 4, 1, 2, 2, 2, and 1 runs in their seven starts on this trip, and today's run was unearned. If the starters can just stretch out their outings a little bit longer and the Cubs can generate any offense at all during the upcoming homestand, good things can follow. Onward, keep the faith. Go Cubs.
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"No enemy is more dangerous, than the enemy that has nothing to lose." Mark Grace
by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First?
And to complete the F Troop motif, Larry Storch in the booth!
by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 23, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
"No enemy is more dangerous, than the enemy that has nothing to lose." Mark Grace
by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So close to losing it
This game saved my hopes, what little are left. Come back to Chicago and kick some tail.
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by jkobus on Aug 23, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know if this was said by len or bob but
soriano was out with a sore knee. good thing it only took 2 months to be benched for that after he revealed his knee was hurt
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sam Fuld
Has proven himself to be a capable replacement out in LF. Sori can go on the DL for his knee if need be.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i just find it odd that it took this long to do something about his knee
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still of the opinion
That Lou looks at Lee, Rami, Sori, and (to a certain extent) Geo as being his “horses” – he likes to have as many of them in a game as he can, and with Rami seeing extended DL time earlier this season, Lou was disinclined to pull another one out of the lineup if not absolutely necessary. With the other three guys now playing daily, perhaps Lou will feel comfortable enough to sit Sori down for as long as he needs to get his knee back in shape.
One can hope, right?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Fuld...
…is working on his high-light reel. Or, is looking to assemble enough “face plants” for a youtube sensation. Next, he’ll manage to splash down in the Rays tank at the Tropicana.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was having a crappy day
So I didn’t turn it on, I checked the score in the 5th and decided. It did cheer up my dad a bit
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 23, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Took you long enough Al!
The natives were getting restless in the last thread.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, maybe Len does read BCB!
I made the “F-Troop” reference in yesterday’s recap thread.
…and all we’d have to do is stick the F-Troop Platoon (Fox & Fuld) out in left until Sori gets his groove back.
I also used “RH factor” to describe a Reed/Hoffpauir platoon for right field, so keep your ears peeled for that one in September… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced he does
It’s not the first time I’ve heard him reference something someone hashed here the night before. And, Len, I’m not accusing you of plagiarism, but give Ken a shoutout every once in a while.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Aug 23, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe len visits the ballhawks in disguise and listens in for material
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe we SHOULD take credit for it!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 23, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs.com
Carrie Muskat, the Cubs.com writer has used “F Troop” a few times on the website and on facebook.
by PalatineRol on Aug 23, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I searched her blog and googled "f troop" and all her references were from today (Aug 23)
However, further googling revealed that I was not the first to use F Troop in conjunction with the Cubs. Turns out somebody named “Zonk” made a F Troop reference back in May, on something called Gonfalon Cubs on the Baseball Think Factory site. I think the reference was to the Cubs bench but I don’t quite get the context. Here is his comment
39. zonk Posted: May 28, 2009 at 04:23 PM (#3197772)
My money is more on playing the Pirates having an impact on the team’s fortunes, but after the SD debacle, who knows.
We ought to count ourselves damn lucky that ugly slide only cost about 3 games in the standings.
Nothing will ever make me long for F Troop, of course, but it continues to appall and amaze me how poorly this bench is constructed.
The inflexibility it presents drives me up a wall.
Guess I better call my lawyer back and cancel that appointment… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is that Gonfalon word again.
Never seen it before, seen it twice in 2 days here. Weird.
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 24, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never seen it before?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball’s_Sad_Lexicon
See also: Pennant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonfalone
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 24, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced.
Jake Fox is the shit. He needs to start regularly.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Enjoy the greenage
:-)
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was doing yard work
thinking that maybe the Cubs will play better if I am out of the house. I get done with the yard and the Dodgers get the two on and no out, thought I will be damn. But, they get out of it and a well deserved win by Demp and the Cubs.
Fox and Fuld need to be in the lineup, heck with the money that Bradley and Sori are making. Cubs need a serious run, like a 16-2 run, miracles baby.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 23, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Grockcubs an allusion to Heilmein's A Starnger in a Strange Land?
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's spelled
Grok in the book.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was stationed
in Bosnia, my nickname was G-Rock, first name Greg. I love the Cubs, hence Grockcubs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that 3!
"I tried to let Ryan know that [jumping over the dugout railing] was a thing that maybe just athletes should stick to." -- Ted Lilly, 28 July 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yes,
thank you!!!
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, if the Cubs just could have scored 3 runs each game
they would have swept the Dodgers. Iwas so dispirited, I chose not to watch, then tuned them in on the radio even though my wife said I’d regret it. I didn’t! Maybe, I’ll just listen instead of watch for awhile.
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The question is can Fox play RF.
I don’t think there are any scouting reports that says he’s that bad. If he can be just average in the outfield (no worse than Bradley, hehe) he would be awesome for the Cubs. I don’t think Lou would do that. He’s probably drunk lol.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is a plus defender in right
Fox is not. We shouldn’t be looking for ways to sit Bradley.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence do you have of this.
The Milton Bradley I’ve seen is a terrible defender. Has Jake Fox ever thrown the ball into the bleachers? Thought not.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Fox...
…can best serve the Cubs by being immobile at the 1B. He has no wheels, and if he can’t run, he has no business being in the OF.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My eyes
tell me he can and I go to a lot of games. Al do you’re at a ton of games what do your eyes tell you about this?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may want to have those eyes checked.
Jake Fox can run about as well as Manny Ramirez, which is to say not at all. If you think Fox is going to cover the ground at Petco., Dodger Stadium, the Juice Box, Chase, Citi Field, etc., you’re sadly mistaken. By playing Fox you’re essentially increasing the “gap” because Fox can’t close the distance with his less than stellar speed.
He might even be slower than D. Lee, and Fonzi has been lazy.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in agreement here.
Jake Fox is a decent 1B, can play LF on occasion and 3B without embarrassing himself.
I wouldn’t want to see him in RF on a regular basis.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 23, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
play Fox in LF, Fuld in CF and Fukudome in RF… done deal.
The above is for the Bradley haters of course. I don’t include myself in that. He’s not a bad fielder. He has a productive purpose on this game. He’s not going to be the slugger they thought they were getting, but he has value as a guy who can get on base and hit a little. He needs to hit in front of Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez and Jake Fox. Unfortunately, the same can be said of Ryan Theriot, Kosuke Fukudome (every day I see him hit 5th in a lineup I die a little inside) and Sam Fuld (until he proves otherwise).
Therefore, because of lack of better options… hitting Bradley third is the way to go. The three hitter doesn’t have to hit 30 homers to be productive. The 90s Cleveland Indians got a lot of mileage out of Lofton, Vizquel, Alomar setting up for Thome, Ramirez, etc. And that’s the model I’d like to see the Cubs go to. Sure it won’t score the kind of runs the Indians did… but you won’t see as many 0 and 1 run games.
Those who think lineup construction doesn’t matter are wrong. When the fall is all that’s left… it matters a great deal.
How about that for an obscure reference?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Bradley 2nd...
…and Fukudome leading off against RH pitchers.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Aaron Miles watching the next opponet as an advance scout.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
if he refuses to do it, would he void his contract? interesting proposal… because professional baseball player shouldn’t be his job title right now. There’s no excuse for him to be on the major-league roster instead of Andres Blanco.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is an excuse...
…it’s called dollars committed to him in a contract.
It’s sad, but true.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically
they’re both on the MLB roster. Blanco is just assigned to AAA. :D
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually...
it was my mistake… Blanco is actually listed on the DL right now. I did not know that. Doesn’t change the fact that there should be someone on the minor-league roster or the open market (maybe a beer league?) better than Aaron Miles.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
then you should like Fuld and Theriot in front of them even more.
I’m willing to throw small sample size out the window and hand jobs to Fuld and Fox until they prove otherwise.
Fuld OBP vs RHP – .476!
Fukudome OBP vs RHP – .401
Bradley OBP vs RHP – .390
All are good enough to hit in front of Lee, Ramirez and Fox and gives the team a much better chance of getting some players home.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
vs lhp
i guess you would go with Theriot, Baker and Bradley leading into Lee, Ramirez, Fox and Soto.
I almost gave up on the season last week when I saw Baker bat 5th for a team supposedly trying to make the playoffs. There’s no way a team scores runs with Jeff Baker or Kosuke Fukudome hitting 5th.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Lou...
…has a blind spot with the 5 hole or what, but I agree he hasn’t had the best guys in that position.
IMO, Soriano should have been put in the 5 hole all the way back in 07.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
baker right now is a better 5 hole hitter than soto
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of guys...
…are a better 5 hole hitter than Soto. He has been a huge dissappointment this year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunate emphasis
on “huge” as well.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
DEMP FOR THE 5 HOLE
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
That’s why we have Lee, Ramirez and Fox before we even get to Soto who would bat 7th or even 8th.
Nowhere would I ever suggest Soto to bat fifth, unless he discovers his 2008 form. He still has quite the slugging % against lhps though.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 24, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh...
i’m beginning to see a problem getting Fuld, Fukudome, Bradley and Fox in the lineup even though they’re four of our most productive hitters against rhps… and Fox for some reason (small sample size?) isn’t very good against lhps. I guess that’s how Theriot gets into the two hole against rhps.
Fuld cf
Theriot ss
Fukudome rf
Lee 1b
Ramirez 3b
Fox lf
Fontenot 2b
Soto c
I guess you could mix in Bradley instead of Fuld or Fox two or three times per week. Any time you sit Fukudome against a rhp you’re just killing his value. You’re better off releasing him at that point. It’s how he’s effective offensively and he almost good enough defensively to play no matter what he does on offense.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 24, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw...
if Fukudome hitting third is more palatable to you… then sure, Bradley 2nd, Fukudome 3rd… the difference there is negligible. Having Fukudome hit fifth is a tragedy.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB is a solid right fielder; solid to good in my book actually.
And whether you go to a game of watch it on TV, I don’t think matters. Though if you really want to count, I’ve only missed a handful of home games this year. // Give the ball in the bleachers bit a break, it didn’t even cost us a run, he was the one humiliated bc he gave a fan a souvenir. // Jake Fox is awesome in my book, I’d put him in left field for now because Soriano is the closest thing to a disaster I’ve seen in a while.
by smash! on Aug 23, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
if the Milton Bradley you have seen is a “terrible” defender, then maybe you do need your eyes checked.
You can focus on the mistake of throwing the ball into the bleachers all you want. The fact is, it was an isolated mistake. He has made some extremely good plays in the second half.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Bradley really a plus defender?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he knows how many outs there are
yes
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Bradley is in the midst of another slump and Fox is hitting, this late in the season, you play who’s hitting.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox in right?
Absolutely not. Especially given the notorious nature of Wrigley’s RF.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't be worse than Bradley
Plus he can hit. Hit like a real hitter, driving in runs not walking or other such nonsense. Bradley’s not supposed to be a two hitter, we payed him to be a 4 or 5 hitter. We have one of those in Fox sitting on the bench. Why not use him?
At the very least use him in LF. Him or Fuld. Maybe a Fuld/Fox platoon in Left?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walking and other such nonsense?
Walking is nonsense? I think you’re the type that’s just determined to hate on Bradley so you’re making things up. He’s not having a great year, for sure, but he’s getting on base and doing a solid job in RF. Soriano, Soto and relief pitching are our major fails this year, Bradley is not the problem.
by smash! on Aug 23, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
The fact that he is a clubhouse cancer where-ever he goes could be a part of this whole equation. I’m not saying, I’m just saying.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prove it.
back up what you’re saying.
I’ll wait.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about all the stories that are written about him.
LeFevre negatively mentioning his lack of change in relation to Josh Hamilton. The constant horrible relationship with the media. His antics like throwing a water bottle at a fan’s face or fighting with Jeff Kent or Blowing out his knee arguing.
Those seem to be bad clubhouse things.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I have quotes
from a dozen team-mates or more who say that he’s a standup guy, and they like playing with him.
Those seem to be bad clubhouse things.
“SEEM”? You said “the fact that he’s a clubhouse cancer”. If it’s a fact, you can prove it. Go on. I’m still waiting.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already did.
I’m through talking with you about this.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right,
so you can’t. Thanks.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His own manager...
Called him a piece of shit; that’s all I need to know. He has such a track record that a simple Google search will leave you with enough negative results filled with incidents that will make your head spin.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his own manager
then apologized to him. And when I do a “simple Google search” on him, I find many of his teammates sticking up for him.
What makes my head spin is Cubs fans ability to slam a guy who has done nothing but try hard to win games.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If by sitting out of every other game
means trying his hardest, than yes I suppose so. I don’t care if they say Lou is pulling him out we all know it’s Bradley pulling himself out. I think Paul Sullivan (who is around the team all the time would agree with me.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaah
paul sullivan
hahaha
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see
What’s so funny about Paul Sullivan. He’s a good objective journalist.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
you just proved to me that I don’t have to debate ANYTHING with you. Paul Sullivan shouldn’t appear in the same sentence as the words “good” OR “objective” with “isnt’ an” in between them.
I don’t care if they say Lou is pulling him out we all know it’s Bradley pulling himself out.
We do? You’re simultaneously accusing Lou Piniella of lying AND calling Bradley a liar? I might just buy you a ticket to Cubs Convention this off-season, with the requirement that you say that to their faces. That would be fun to watch.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discuss the point, not slam the man.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
he’s making himself the point.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a brand-spankin'-new BCBer, com'on, Drew.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 24, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after specifically talking about
how he read Al’s “How to post” post, he comes on here, and unleashes the often disproved “Milton Bradley is a cancer” and follows up with “Paul Sullivan is a good journalist.”
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course "prove it. I'll wait." always help to keep things nice & friendly...
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by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s frustrating to see people pop up with rationales that have clearly been disproved over and over again.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre funny
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Open your eyes.
Paul Sullivan is a hack.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says who?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intelligent people
who have read the crap he writes.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the most polite way I've ever hear it put
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm for not Serious.
Do you think I would joke about something like this?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buzz...
…I know your new, but please don’t take what newspaper say as gospel, you are just cheating yourself.
The Tribune has the two worst baseball journalists in Chicago (maybe the country) in Sullivan and Rogers, and they are both always produce a good laugh or two per week.
There are only 2-3 journalists that I would ever take seriously as to what they put in print (Miles is one) and Sullivan couldn’t hold Mile’s mouse pad.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never really done a whole ton of blogging on a big site
But I suppose your right. It would do to be more critical of Sullivan and what not. I still don’t like Bradley, but if he hit for more power and had better RBIs I wouldn’t mind the personality stuff AS much.
Anyways thanks for the tip. Appreciate it.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the "personality" stuff comes from the media's perception of him, not his teammates.
If he was an ass he would have shot back at Lou when he blew up, not responded by saying he had too much respect for his manager to reply.
And I don’t get what you were saying about Josh Hamilton, what do you mean by this: “LeFevre negatively mentioning his lack of change in relation to Josh Hamilton.”
by smash! on Aug 24, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it...
…regarding the media building a perception of a players attitude and I believe that is a major factor with Bradley.
There are numerous examples of players who are jaded one way by the media, yet there teamates feel differently. Steve Carlton was one of the best examples of this. The media thought he was an A-1 A-hole (because he got fed up and simply wouldn’t talk with them) and his teameates that the guy was great.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 24, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahaha
Oh man. My stomach. It hurts.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether Bradley...
…is a great guy or a jerk, really doesn’t matter a whole hell of a lot in the end. He probably has the type of personality that some of his teamates understand, while others don’t care for.
All I give a shit about is whether the guy can play and whether he plays hard. For the most part, Bradley didn’t have a crappy 1st half because he didn’t care, he was just in a funk. If his personality has had a negative effect on other Cub players, those players should be more focused on what they can do to improve their own performance.
The reason the Cubs are in the spot they are, is because there has been a failure on many a front, not just Bradley’s bad 1st half.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you have to be a complete asshole
to get into a fight with Jeff Kent
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you have to be breathing to get into a fight with Jeff Kent.
by sitrick3 on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gandhi would probably want to punch Jeff Kent
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Aug 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Buddha
would want to punch Jeff Kent, give him a swirlie, and then hang him by his jock strap from a hook.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a scene out of "Anger Management"
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Aug 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you from Jersey?
Or have you been watching too much CNN?
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIs UZR is...
Negative this year in RF.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
barely
and I’d argue that his excellent second half has pulled that number up. There’s still 40 games to go. His career numbers are much higher.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had an OK 2nd half...
Getting on base, but still not hitting over .260-ish post-ASB. I wouldn’t call that “excellent”.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent
defensive second half. His bat doesn’t have anything to do with his UZR.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is MB's UZR now in the above average range?
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by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Still negative.
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by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, does that mean he's not a "plus-defender"?
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
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by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, rather he's a negative defender?
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See,
Why did we need some ridiculous “UZR” or whatever to prove what we already know. Bradley is a bad defensive RF.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he is not.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so his UZR is negative, but he's not a bad defensive outfielder?
How so, Drew?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his career numbers clearly belie the problems he’s had this year. In 2006, he played 94 games in RF for the Athletics. His UZR was 8.1. In 2004, he played 141 games in the OF for the Dodgers. His UZR was 6.0. His career UZR in RF is 13.1.
Wrigley Field is one of the toughest right fields to play in the majors. He’s had 165 put-outs, and 3 errors with the Cubs. In 2006 with the As, he had 191 put-outs and 4 errors — and had an UZR of 8.1.
He’s a good defender. The first half was not good. No argument from me there. But as a player, he’s a plus defender, career. And I think he’s made some amazingly good plays this year.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of...
… a couple of great catches, including one where he slid in to the right field baseline wall, where they were great but everyone (here in the game threads at least) got too wrapped up in assuming he’d get up hurt (and making jokes to the effect) to recognize it.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 24, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, no argument on what he's been able to do in the past,
especially since I recall him being pretty good in the field. Glad to see the stats back up what my eyes saw years ago.
But you’re using numbers from 2004 and 2006, as well as his overall career ratings. Career numbers are great if you’re talking about careers. But I think we’re all more concerned about what’s happening this season, and it’s now almost the end of 2009. And what I’m getting from this sub-thread is his 2009 numbers are not good.
According to his Baseball-Reference page, he only played the field 20 games last year, and 58 in 2007. I don’t see UZR as one of the columns but I do see a lot of negative numbers for those years (which I assume is not good), as well as in 2005 (73 games) which you so “deftly avoided” to use a Crawdadism… ;-)
I guess the argument I’d like to see is why you think his career numbers are relevant (since it’s been almost 3 seasons since a good one) and what in those career numbers tell you he’s going to revert back to being a plus defender for the next two seasons.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was deliberately
going for years when he was at least close to 150 games in the OF.
His career numbers are relevant because they show what he’s capable of.
Baseball Reference doesn’t show UZR. Fangraphs does.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"His career numbers are relevant because they show what he's capable of."
Wow – I’d expect that kind of argument out of a newbie or even me, but I was kinda hoping for better from you. Well, I don’t know about you, but I think I’m done here.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UZR doesn't stabilize within one season.
Really, it doesn’t. It’s quite noisy, especially for outfielders, who don’t get all that many balls hit to them. Bradley’s UZR has been pretty good in the past. It’s sort of like the case with Texiera; nobody that’s watched him is saying he’s fallen off defensively, but his UZR has fallen off a cliff this year.
by aldimond on Aug 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats interesting
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any numbers...
To back up his “excellence”? Or just a qualitative analysis?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his career numbers
are quite high. His numbers in RF earlier this year weren’t so good. Now he’s close to average.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a home vs. away split on that?
RF in Wrigley can be a challenging spot to play, not to mention that Bradley’s UZR/150 as a Cub cannot be computed because he has yet to play 150 games in a Cub uniform.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very good point.
How would is it possible to calculate a rate stat per 150 games if a player hasn’t played 150 games? Perhaps a flaw in the stat who knows?
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
he can absolutely be way worse than Bradley.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Fox did play in right a while back and he wasn't very good there.
I f***ing hate the Eagles!
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But does his offense outwiegh his defense.
The man has a ton of power
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say more so in left than in right. Right is a pretty tough place,
especially in Wrigley.
I f***ing hate the Eagles!
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
A good defense is your best offense. Fox’s hitting ability only begins to compare to his defensive inefficiencies when he can be “contact reliable.”
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when you're losing games...
Consistently 1-0, 2-0. We. Need. Runs.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Jake Fox
hits a home-run, and pulls a Manny like Manny did today on Rami’s triple. How does that help?
It can’t be either or. You have to have both.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won by 2 runs today...
Jake Fox had 2RBI today and went 4-4. Milton Bradley has 10RBI since the ASB and 2-22 on the road trip. You play who’s hitting.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 10 RBI is just not getting it done
.260 BA 10 RBI. Despite the high on base, that still isn’t very good.
Should have gotten Adam Dunn…
oh well
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and watch
opposing teams score at will?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but 40 HRs and 100 RBIs sounds good doesn't it.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey SWL do you have any of those funny pictures
Those tend to derail annoying arguments like this one. I’d appreciate the help! =P
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask the Nationals
how good it feels.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a little disingenuous
Just because the Nats are having an awful year, it doesn’t negate Dunn’s offense.
by CaliCub on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats' overall year doesn't negate Dunn's offense.
That’s what Dunn’s defense is for.
by aldimond on Aug 23, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, wouldn't that be
“and watch opposing teams score at Adam?”
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh-heh
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't work that way.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
Because our defense it what’s been costing us games lately? We need offense any way we can get it. Just like the “Fox can’t play 3rd” argument, until he starts costing you runs and games, you play him because he can hit.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that would have made this stretch more unbearable
Is the Flubs defense that they used to routinely field in days gone by. You really don’t want to go there.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Aug 23, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been a Bradley
non-supporter at least for the signing, bad move. However he has worked hard, hustles, take two minor blow ups, he has been an pretty good teammate. That being said, he just hasn’t hit, he gets on base, well that’s fine. Problem is he is a corner outfield position a position that normally drives in runs, he and Soriano have been terrible driving in runs this year.
As far as I am concerned I would give Fuld and Fox more starts, hell can’t be any worse. The Cubs starting pitching has been solid. It was mentioned after the Cubs lost yesterday 2-0, that the Cubs have scored 2 runs or less in 25 games this year. If the Cubs want to make a miracle run, I would think you have to go with a bat like Fox. Give him 3 or 4 starts a week. Just sayin.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 23, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always taken a bit of exception to the idea
That what position a guy plays on the field should determine what you expect from them offensively. Play a guy where he can make the best defensive contribution to the team and then set your lineup according to where the numbers tell you a guy should be hitting. Basing your expectations for a player’s offensive output based on where they play in the field has always struck me as counter-intuitive at best, and a wasteful use of resources at worst.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you know the basis for what a replacement level player for that position should be,
Whatever floats your boat. It’s not like great offensive center fielders are hard to find or anything….
/sarcasm
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We seem to be having trouble generating offense
From any position these days. Bradley’s OBP is actually a bright spot in this lineup.
But my point is that different sets of stats are kept for offense and defense. Your basis for an “average” player in a defensive position should be defensive numbers, and (according to your lineup philosophy) your basis for where you bat that guy should be their offensive numbers. Expecting your 1B to always be a power hitter seems to be cutting a corner that really shouldn’t be cut. Ask Mark Grace :)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing of Bradley
was suppose to bolster the lineup, get on base, score runs and drive in runs. I don’t think 30 RBI’s, 45 runs scored from there rightfielder was in the plans when they forked over 10M. ( yes you can say the same for Soriano) The problem is the whole outfield is not productive, except Fox, so play him.
Whether it is counterproductive or not, for the most part your corner outfielders usually produce offense. The Cubs have not.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 24, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But did Len get the F-Troop reference from Carrie Muskat?
copied & pasted from Carrie’s MLB Blog and Facebook update:
8/23 LIneup & update
Alfonso Soriano did not start Sunday because of a sore left knee that has been bothering him for a few days. It’ll be the “F Troop” lineup vs. the Dodgers — Fuld, Fukudome, Fox and Fontenot:
— Carrie Muskat
Posted on August 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
by Da Coach on Aug 23, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good win.
hopefully, they can build on it.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Joe Girardi, but I have to defend Lou.
He’s always said it’s his job to put his players where they’ll have a chance to succeed. They have to perform. They haven’t. Lou hasn’t made any more flubs than most other excellent managers. He still kicks Dusty’s ass on in-game managing, and I don’t know who would replace him that would be any better. I say, stick with him during this slump and see what happens.
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
would joe girardi use aaron miles as a pinch hitter with the goahead run in scoring position
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but he does not kick ass at in-game managing
They both suck at it. I thought Lou’s strength was supposed to be kicking ass but I see little sign of it anymore. Dusty’s strength was making every player feel needed, it was a double edged sword but people here have a real short memory on how much he did in 2003. Dusty had a LOT more injuries to deal with but that does not excuse his obsession with Neffi , etc. So far he won 6 more post season games than Lou.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Win!!
Changed my signature today and it’s proving to be good luck!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
by cubsluver22 on Aug 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
She might want to forget that particular post — not that it is too worrisome right now.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Aug 23, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't read that thread
but I went back and read it. Funny reading LOL
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 24, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was nice.
I was following along via radio at the A’s game today, and it was great to hear the Cubs get some timely hitting!
Onwards and upwards from here! Let’s keep winning, and hope that the Nats can blank the Redbirds the same way they did the Yankees!
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"If the starters can just stretch out their outings a little bit longer..."
I’m pretty sure it hasn’t been the starters asking to get pulled after 6 innings while at 90 pitches…
by Danwood on Aug 23, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it was aaron miles
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's *always* Aaron Miles
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"LOU I WANNA BAT!!!"
“god damn it fine”
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just glad to get a win.
Dempster was as good as he has been this year. I was a little leary about the lineup early but good move by Lou. As grockcubs said, 16-2 would work for me. One more thing to be thankful for on a sunday. No. Aaron. Miles.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Aug 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Demp's command was outstanding
But his arm slot was what kept them confused. I watched ~50 pitches pretty closely, and his motion and arm slot for his fastballs and sliders were almost identical. Terrific performance – I almost felt sorry for the Dodger hitters.
Almost.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent observations
Arm slot is crucial for a pticher to keep hitters off balance. It is also one of the major factors in what made Greg Maddux so successful.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Look, we're going to have to do it with our veterans here"...
Said Lou Piniella if asked if Fuld and Fox would get more playing time. Why not just play those who are hitting and playing the best out there? What’s the worst that can happen, you fall 8 games out?
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/08/are-cubs-resigned-to-fate.html
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 23, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with this at all...
The season is on life support. You put out the best starting position players everyday. Right now, that is Jake Fox or Sam Fuld in left field. Right now the bottom of the order is black hole when Soriano is in th lineup. He has been mostly terrible since Mid May minus one minor slump buster after the all star break. Not sure you can or should expect him to pull out of it this year since he has been so bad most of the year.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"we are going to have to start our veterans"
Ok guys I didn’t say it Lou did. So back to Soriano and still letting Miles hit in key situations ? Why because it has worked so well ?
He sees no need to change anything. Brilliant.
( yes I know Ballhawk I am the Blou of Lou so to speak but a quote like that drives me NUTS)
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what Lou is saying...
…because if the Cubs are going to go on a great tear to get back in it, chances are it has to be from their proven players playing like they can. The chances of career minor league players leading that kind of charge is unlikely.
With that said, I understand the frustration, and I wouldn’t mind seeing Soriano staying on the bench and Fox getting a couple more starts.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he say that while he was putting in Fox and Fuld?
I f***ing hate the Eagles!
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Soriano and Bradley out!
Forget it. It’s too late. We’ve got to get the guys out there that are doing the job. They’ve got to keep this line up. If it wins, run with it. Fox tied Bradley for home runs and rarely gets a chance to play. He hit 4-4. When was the last time Soriano did that? Platoon Hill and Soto, Fontentot and Baker, but keep this line up.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
May 17th of last season
Soriano went 5-5.
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was last season
enough said
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You asked when the last time Soriano did that
I gave you the answer
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I guess I did!
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, last September Soriano went 4-5
with 3 homeruns.
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ready for the Fox experiment in left, last September was way long ago
"I f***ing hate the Eagles, man!" - The Dude
by teacher tom on Aug 23, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly,
This team needs more Fox and more Hill. Great defense at the most important position and power to supplement the offense. Just look at what Al showed. The Cubs’ record with Hill catching is really good and Fox has 9 HRs in limited play this year. Good stuff.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on more Hill
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys see this?
Unassisted triple play by the Phillies against the Mets.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6256159
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome!
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the stunned look on Francoeur's face
However, that may just be his natural face as I don’t think the guy is very bright.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or very good at baseball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He swings a helluva bat
In exactly the same place every time. Plays a decent RF, but can still be fooled by the dreaded AA curveball.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bats afraid
no hit curve ball. I ask Jobu.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That unassisted triple play
seemed so natural, it’s surprising it doesn’t happen more often.
by ChipSet on Aug 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of that inning
is that Bruntlett had booted the last two balls hit to him.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You play the hot hand, the F'ers are right now
but….I’ll wager Sori and Bradley will play the majority of games until this team is mathematically eliminated.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 23, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if they're the hot hand-fine
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 23, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice game today
but we had twelve hits and 3 runs. This game was won mostly by pitching. The hitting remained subpar in key situations.
Might have to go 9-1 on this homestand to make any hay, but that is not out of the realm of possibility given our opponents.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ken Berry, a great defensive outfielder for the White Sox.
Oh yes — one more thing about “F Troop”. One of the actors starring in that series was named Ken Berry. At the same time the series aired — 1965-67 — a mainstay of center field in the American League was also named Ken Berry. Just to keep this reference on a baseball-oriented track.
Deftly avoiding mentioning that Ken Berry spent 9 of his 14 years in MLB patrolling the OF for the White Sox.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 23, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, White Sox suck
as a Cubs fan, I am obligated to never say anything good about a White Sox player, sorry DrCrawdad
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1908
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 23, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as good a squad as 1907
More injuries, and they needed some luck (and Fred Merkle) to get to the series in the first place, but once we got there, the Tigers were no match at all.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean much really.
I’ve been alive for 20 years so you shouldn’t you say 1989 for me?
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Deftly avoiding mentioning..."
You really think Al deliberately chose not to include one of Berry’s team in the writeup just because it was the White Sox? You crack me up, Doc. Watch X-Files much?
Well then, just for the record, you deftly avoided mentioning Ken Berry also played for the California Angels and the Milwaukee Brewers before finishing his career with the Cleveland Indians.
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a conspiracy!
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al probably watched Ken Berry play for in his 9 seasons with the Sox. Why sidestep mentioning that? If I mention, I don’t know, Ron Santo I’d refer to him as a Cub not as a mainstay of the NL.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 23, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look out! Behind you!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, from now on
when ever we mention a player, we must include his entire resume. So, the correct way to refer to Milton Bradley is “Bradley, who has played for the Indians, Dodgers, Padres, A’s, Rangers and Cubs.”
That way it is fair to all fans of all teams, don’t want anyone to feel as though they are being singled out.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or left out as with the case of any Montreal Expo fans still around... :-)
Started his career with Montreal (2001-02) before being traded to Cleveland for Zach Day.
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!
Well that’s just great, now we are going to feel the wrath of “DrEcrevisse”.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AH GAUNTEE!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Aug 24, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear al was also the shooter in the grassy knoll!
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're still watching
in the middle of season five. Just finished the X-mas Ghost episode.
(weeps)
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one with Ed Asner and Lilly Tomlin?
Why the weeps? That was a good one.
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by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, dood
it was terrible. Worse then the vampire one in season 1. IMO.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like to think the F-Troop could be very useful, and regular players...
…the fact is that we have Soriano for 5 years/$90,000,000, Fukudome for 2 years/$26,500,000, and Bradley for 2 years/$21,000,000. That’s 3 players, 9 years, and $137,500,000.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome has been playing well this year.
His turn around has inspired me to buy one of those rising sun headbands. I hated the signing at the beginning of the year, but he seems to be worth it right now.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not questioning the player. I’m saying our outfield is more than set for the next two years. No one in hell is going to trade for Soriano, and I doubt Bradley or Fukudome for that matter.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is why would you trade Fukudome?
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout because
he is making 13 million a year, hits for a decent average, gets on base decently, struggles against lefties, doesnt steal many bases, is playing somewhat out of position in center and doesnt hit for power.
Fukudome has been okay this year. If he was making 1/3 of the money he would be worth it. You jump at literally any chance you get to trade any of our outfielders. You dont even have to get anything back. You could spend 13 million in quite a few better ways
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plays great defense too
Whether or not he’s worth 13 million is irrelevant. He’s a good player. nuff said.
What lefty doesn’t struggle against lefties? It’s rare to find a lefty that hits lefties well. He’s supposed to be a top of the order guy. I’ll pay 13 mil for a good leadoff guy with moderate power.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely dsagree
Guys with Fukudome’s skill set are a dime a dozen. He doesnt have moderate power. Hes a 15 homerun max guy, hitting .270 or so, who doesnt steal bases.
He is only batting at the top of the order because he failed at hitting in the middle of the order, a la Bradley.
As to the lefty thing, a lot of lefties struggle against other lefties, but they dont get 13 million a year. And that is highly relevant to the discussion of trading him. If you drop him and his 13 million and find a guy who can duplicate his production for 6 million, you can use the other 7 million for someone else who can help. He is insanely overpaid for what he does, and that hamstrings this team.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find me a person that can equal Kosuke's production for 6-7 mil.
Even better prove to me that the market value for a CENTER FIELDER hitting like he does is only worth 6-7 mil.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shane Victorino is making 3.85 million
Matt Kemp,$467,000
Dexter Fowler $401,000
Granderson, 3.5 million
Grady Sizemore 4.766million
Marlon Byrd, 3 million
Michael Bourn, $434,500
Cody Ross, $2.25million.
Those guys all have similar production to Fukudome. Granted those guys may be worth more on the market, but they are certainly not worth 13 million.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should say: That are available.
Ross, I’ll give you.
Sizemore you can’t get ever.
Fowler is really young.
Kemp’s not going anywhere
Bourn is terrible
Byrd is journeyman.
Granderson isn’t going anywhere.
Victorino isn’t as good as Kosuke either. Not good enough an OBP or enough power to match Kosuke.
So Cody Ross is basically what your left with in terms of cheap.
you threw out 3 franchise CFs, that’s not fair. Those guys obviously aren’t available.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your point is
we are getting certain production from Dome for 13million. We cant find anyone to give us better production for less. That itself is highly debatable but, even accepting that
I think you could get less production from a guy like Sam Fuld and pay him $500,000. You could then use the other $12.5 million to make a significant upgrade somewhere else.
The question is, i Dome worth 13 million. If not, you do what you can to get rid of him and try to spend the 13 million more wisely, however you can.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW you weren't proving Kosuke's market value
i.e. how much a player of his skills would be worth on the open market, you just listed a bunch of cost controlled players a few who aren’t very good and a few who are superstars who are worth 15 mil+ a season on the market.
I didn’t ask to find players as much as prove that isn’t his market value. You have done no such thing.
Prove me wrong.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prove to me that a player of his skills
are worth 13 mllion on the open market. Im simply not sure how you go proving that.
If you dont think Fukudome is wildly overpaid, lets just agree to disagree
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can most certaintly do that.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
I think Kemp, Granderson, and Sizemore are all worth 13 million at least
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke has the highest WAR on the team this season and his worth has been $13.3 MM.
An unbiased measure of player value disagrees with you on Kosuke’s value.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we should have no problem finding takers for him
Do you believe that? I highly doubt anyone would trade for Fuku without significant incentives, and i suspect they have good reasons for that.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do believe it.
You also said Kemp isn’t worth $13MM but he has a 5 WAR with the Dodgers this season and his value is $22.7 MM. Fangraphs is my source what is yours?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
if you think there will be any off season interest in trading for Fukudome, then that is your opinion. I think it is wrong. I dont go into WAR and other statisical measures because I dont believe they tell the whole story. I do strongly suspect, however, that .274 platoon centerfielders with 11 homeruns, under 10 stolen bases and a 13 million dollar salary are not hot commodities.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about trading Fukudome, just that you have understated his monetary value.
Players get paid by their production and Fukudome has produced for this team this year. My opinion is that Fukudome is having a great year and is playing up to his contract.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.274 with 11 home runs and under 10
stolen bases is a great year. Ill disagree with that
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to use stats don't cherry pick. What's his OBP?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very high
its the one thing saving him from being extremely mediocre.
Milton Bradley has a high OBP as well, but he is not having a good year.
Kosuke is an average to above average center fielder, when used properly (i.e. platooned). He is being paid to be a star.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll continue to say this...
…until I am blue in the face, but you’d be a fool to want to trade him if you could; he’s a ++defender with strong batting skills. If nothing more, he’s somebody you can build a lethal outfield around.
And while he hasn’t done it lately, Dome’s arm accuracy from the OF is can be lethal. Fonzi doesn’t have that, and neither does MB.
Tony Gwynn is perhaps the best right-fielder to have ever played the game, and he never put more than 17-homers in a season. The HR is overrated if you have a group of guys who can consistently hit the ball and run.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
Speed never slumps as they say. At least not in outfield defense.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funniest thinga bout this whole debate is
That Kosuke Fukudome is worth exactly 13.3 Mil dollars according to fangraphs this year. Season isn’t even over and he’s earned his paycheck.
Looks like you couldn’t prove me wrong.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
if fangraphs is the bible, then he might be worth what you say.
The fact that we wont be able to give the guy away suggests otherwise.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just having an argument for arguments sake lol
I know fangraphs isn’t the bible. Nor are statistics, there is so much more to the story. It’s just partially interesting that his fangraphs value is so close to the number you gave that’s all.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can agree with that
im surprised by that. Fukudome’s value is certainly increased by his high obp.
Dont get me wrong i like Fukudome. His is the best contract of our starting outfielders. I think we could spend that money significantly better though.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still trying to figure out
WHY we want to trade him.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the funniest thing about this is.....
If Kosuke wouldn’t have had such a horrible year last year we wouldn’t have had to go out and over spend on years for Milton Bradley and his contract. Now we are stuck with two bad contracts. Whether you like these guys, or you don’t, I would think that you probably would be in favor of getting rid of one of those contracts this off season.
by PalatineRol on Aug 23, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woo-hhoo! Facts!
Good job Ryan.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that sarcastic?
If so im not sure why, please explain.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not at all.
I woulda added “/s”.
Me likes facts.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also fact that he listed cost-controlled players that haven't yet reached free agency.
You can’t compare the cost of a non-free agent player to what you are paying someone that was a free agent. If you look up the actual value of these players you would see they are worth more on the free agent market. As I pointed out before Matt Kemp’s production is worth $22.7 MM this season.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome "gets on base decently"?
Right now, the only player on the Cubs with a better OBP is Sam Fuld, and Dome’s had 300+ more PAs than Fuld.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only trade Soriano
if you eat much of his contract or package him with something of value. Even then it will be very difficult. An option the Cubs need to consider is simply eating the deal. I think, if no one will take him this offseason, you give him half the season to show some improvement. If he fails to do so, you eat his deal and move on.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what you mean by "eat the deal"
but if it means not playing a man that is being paid $18,000,000 a year for the next five years, that won’t happen.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it means eating the deal
not just not playing him, but releasing him outright. Its drastic, I recognize, but I simply do not think you can win with Soriano on the roster, playing like he has this year. And to play better, he will need to improve his plate discipline and approach dramatically. If he doesnt do that, you take the drastic measure for the good of the team.
by Ryanocm1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow you must love fantasy baseball
and not watch much of the real stuff if you think that
A) They would eat 45 million dollars
B) Baseball teams do things for “the good of the team”
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 24, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thank you!
Even getting rid of Soriano is not worth Zito. Yuck!
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "yuck"
j/k with the newbie. :-D
by CaliCub on Aug 23, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw this...
…and I spit out my tea. You’re simply switching contracts at this point since both are worth exactly the same (Zito, however, gets $137-million with incentives and options), and you get a bad starting pitcher in the process. He’s 8-10 the last time I looked, with an ERA over 5.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No matter how much I want to get rid of this lazy bum
I am resigned to the fact that we are stuck with Soriano for a while.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make some interesting points, what do you think about Koyie Hill?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that he's a great defensive catcher
He really calls a great game according to Lou and the pitching staff. I just don’t think you can accurately measure defense behind the plate statistically. I think the kind of leadership and defense he provides is utterly invaluable.
A calming influence on the staff. Needed especially with Z and Zambrano. Not so much Lilly, Dempster, Harden, and Wells.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Z and Marmol sorry.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nats?
Maybe Washington would want ot make a big splash this off season by taking back Soriano……..
LOL at myself.
by PalatineRol on Aug 23, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
f troop
it was on carrie muskat’s blog when she posts about the lineup on 8/23.
by gocubs1 on Aug 23, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody picking a fight with Pujols?
I hate the Cardinals, but this seems like suicidal behavior. Albert is a rather large fellow.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cry more, albert
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Large indeed
Probably steroids or something. Not saying it’s fact, but it’s certainly a possibility. It’s scientific fact that steroids help you in baseball and his numbers have been ridiculously consistent and awesome. I don’t have any evidence, but it’s reasonable to suspect him no?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't open this can of worms
I know your new here, so I’ll give you a heads up. People don’t respond to well to steroid accusations. Yes, his numbers are ridiculous, but he has never been linked in any way to steroids.
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would this ignite a 400 comment flame war?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a difinite possibility
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's definitely not...
…a can of worms you should open. It’s not even something I would consider; he’s been the same “size” for his entire career unlike, say, Bonds who put on about fifty pounds of muscle and starting putting dingers into McCovey Cove well into the autumn of his career.
He’s an intelligent player, and knows the game.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod was never bulked up during his career either. The eye test doesn't work but I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you telling me my eyes lie?
How do you think scouts view a game with a computer?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heads up
the people here who normally yell steriods with no proof at all..
tend not to be respected here.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 24, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not flawless, but it's...
…a fairly good guesstimate. His production has been consistent throughout the years, and I haven’t seen anything else increase; i.e, he hasn’t suddenly gotten faster. Pujols is still as slow as ever.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, A-Rod put on quite a bit of weight from his Mariner days
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Well done.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So in between games,
these game threads become something of a message board no?
I remember the ESPN message boards. Those are just straight up awful. From what I’ve seen this place is so much better.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rule #1 of Fight Club:
Do not talk about Fight Club.
Rule #2 of Fight Club:
Do not talk about Fight Club.
Rule #3 of Fight Club:
Fight Club is not a message board.
And for definition: These are game recaps. Game threads are during the game, and “may” contain more jovial banter (or yelling).
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to let him know the difference between a fanpost and a fanshot while you're at it.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's ok I read Al's posting guide.
If one thing was made abundantly clear, it was the difference between Fanposts and Fanshots.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously invested a lot of time in your research then.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was long I'll give you that.
I put into a word document so I could read it at my leisure. Came out to 20 pages, not too bad. About as long as a chapter of Heidegger almost as dense. lol I kid, I kid.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that it was informative though
Props to Al for all that work he put into it.
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by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to BLou
This is a social organizing site that is frequented by losers looking to feel a sense of friendship. Granted, this is coming from a guy who repeatedly gets kicked off but begs to come back every time.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh... but what a site this used to be, right BLou?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how long he will stay away.
On the other hand, he has also called this a porn site. This accusation, which he posted last September, also started the world-famous “pornography thread,” which I discovered the other day.
Just scroll down and look at the craziness there. I haven’t laughed so hard in a while.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those who were in that thread, you missed one:
STORMOGRAPHY!!!!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!!! I want my mommy!!!!
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by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was utterly hilarious
There really should be a section on the site for Epic Threads. That one would be a shoo-in.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was on here by then, but I missed that one.
There needs to be some way to link to that on the front page.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right up there with
104 recommends for that post, you can’t beat that.
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by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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why must life be so cruel…
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering that for the FanPost I referenced.
Check above, I have another -ography for them.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was
an awesome thread.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marmol has finally settled down, when was the last time he walked someone?
i think Marmol was just rebelling until he got Closer’s role. He’s been the old marmol lately
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You really think he was purposely walking and hitting batters so they would make him closer? That makes little to no sense.
One would think he would have been trying to show he deserved the closer’s role by pitching well instead of being so erratic and inconsistent.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a joke.....
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. You definitely had me fooled. Unfortunately I've seen people seriously suggest things like that.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no i'm not very "baseball smart" but im definitely not that dumb.
I’m a psych major. i’d hope i’d have a better grasp on human behavior and motivation than that
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just commenting on how up until just before he actually got closer's role did he become the marmol of old
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't today his first opportunity as the closer?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but the past week or so
he’s been set up like always, but he’s been good. it roughly (ROUGHLY) corresponds to Gregg’s extra suckiness
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember in july when he was good
and then crapped the bed
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt he still walk everyone nad their mother in july though, just was able to get out of those situations. I dont relly remember july a whole lot
"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "
by Rhymenocerous on Aug 23, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he was good for a week or two
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His performance went to crap
Last July, as well. Perhaps there’s a trend there…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rothschild
one maybe a pitching coach worth a damn would have caught on to by now.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last time he walked someone was August 11.
Since then, no walks (knock on wood).
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Performance of the Year by Marmol
I think so, after checking Baseball-Reference gamelogs for the year.
Consistently ahead in the count on all 3 batters he faced; Furcal, Ethier & Ramirez.
Three up, three down.
Struck out Manny looking to end it.
In a hostile stadium packed with screaming Dodgers fans.
After his previous implosions this year he was indeed the Marmol of old, at least for this game.
A tip of the hat to Carlos!
by JFCubFan on Aug 23, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He K'ed Ethier and Ramirez with sliders
When he can locate his slider, it’s as nasty as it’s ever been. When he can’t, he’ll grudgingly go to his fastball and then overthrow it. So when he’s good, he’s very, very good, but when he’s bad, he’s horrid.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano, Bradley, Miles and Gregg...
would they then become the “F-This Troop”?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 23, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good name for them I like it.
The combined ineptitude of those 4 players are staggering.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 23, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Resisting the urge to point out how Bradley in now way belongs in this group.
: : : deep breaths : : :
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 24, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quite
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 24, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he does
…not because I don’t think he’s productive, although his season is disappointing under anyone’s standards. But if the F-Troop are in the game… it means these guys aren’t. Right? I just threw in Kevin Gregg for good measure.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
The F Minus Troop
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Aug 23, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
nice
I’d go with that for the G-rated version.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 24, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think ballhawk should start using that one next!
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember our last F-Troop, in 2000?
Fassero, Farnsworth, Flash Gordon
Didn’t work too well :(
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Aug 23, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or 2001
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Aug 23, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Gordo:
Trip from hell keeps getting worse. LAX security just declared my 8 yr-old’s new snow globe contraband.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 23, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
That’s ridiculous!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Aug 23, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's LAX
Those who complain about relatively minor hellholes like Newark or DFW have obviously never had to go through security at LAX.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went through a few hours ago
no problems… this time
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Aug 23, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long was the wait?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
about 10 minutes
I have that joint figured out
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
by PacificCub on Aug 24, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like LAX security
They often actually enforce the carry on rules BEFORE you get the plain and tell people your bag does NOT meet the requirement or you can’t have two big bags etc. Airlines are reluctant to do this so getting carry on luggage stored is what really leads to delays and anger these days. I am taking a VERY late RedEye in about 3 weeks from LAX. Never had a problem.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"lax" security - freudian slip?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordo wittenmeyer: terrorist in disguise?
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 23, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear Syracuse has the TOUGHEST Airport security
I was going through security 2 years ago and they stop me for a LIP GLOSS. Even worse azjazzman ( we were both attending a festival dedicated to silent and early films) got stopped and they told him he had liquid in his LAPTOP. He thought they were nuts but finally they found a itty bitty one eighth of an ounce of moisturizer that had been in some overnight kit from a Virgin flight. ONE EIGHTH OF AN OUNCE. Swear most thorough security I pass through.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 23, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what has this world come too..
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 24, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MDW > BIL
I haven’t been through LAX in a while, but recently I made a round-trip from Billings to Midway. I had about 10 harmonicas in separate cases in my carry-on. In Billings they flagged the bag and an officer checked every single one by hand. On the way home at Midway one of the checkers flagged it, then another came over to the screen, said to me, “So are you a jazz man or a blues man?” I replied, “Blues and folk,” and he sent the bag on through.
by aldimond on Aug 24, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was in Dallas for work (and to catch a Rangers game) so going through security at DFW
my carryon bag goes through and the guy watching the screen stops it, calls somebody over, they both look at the screen and then they pull my bag aside. Mind you, this is probably 15 yrs ago, well before all the extra security precautions, so I have no idea what’s going on. Meanwhile a third guy comes over, opens bag a little and starts to smile.
He says something like “What, deep dish pizza isn’t good enough for you?”
Then it clicked, and I laughed. “Hey, Chicago doesn’t have anything like this.” Yep, they had found my stash of 3 neatly stacked and wrapped DoubleWhataburgers…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 24, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The win felt really good
The road to the post-season is still very rocky but not impossible. One can only hope that the Cardinals suffer a hiccup while the Cubs play something like this at home:
- 3 game sweep against Washington
- 2 of 3 against the Mets
- 2 of 3 against Houston
- A victory against the White Sox
- 3 game sweep against the Reds
- 3 of 4 against the Brewers
- 4 game sweep against Pittsburgh
- 2 of 3 against Arizona
None of the above teams, except the White Sox are above .500 as of present, and we know that the Cubs have done well against teams with loosing records. At the same time they must not have any more catastrophic road trips. One can be thankful for the fact that, most of the remaining road trip games are against weak teams, where series should be winnable. They also need at least one game in San Francisco and take the series in St. Louis. In other words if they play .833 (win 20 of 24) at home and do well on the road, then they have a real chance to reach the play offs.
My gut feeling is that the wild card is less likely to be an option this year.
Optimistic maybe, impossible NO! Go Cubs
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Aug 24, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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