ESPN Reports: Kenney to stay with Cubs
Chicago Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has an agreement in place with Tom Ricketts to stay in his current capacity as the team is being sold by Tribune Co. to the Ricketts family, according to ESPN 1000.
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I will laugh
my ass off if this is true. Thanks for posting it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
So Much
for Blou’s insistence that he was out and working with a placement firm.
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This is good news.
Kenney has done a good job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right.
And he apologized and it won’t happen again. To focus on that rather than the good stuff he has done is just sily.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And lied.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
But if you lie and then apologize for it you are forgiven
Wait that doesn’t sound right does it?
The Dusty Baker thing is worse IMO anyway. Taking a useless cheapshot at Dusty and then lying to his face about it. Pathetic that that kind of person runs a major league organization.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Never admitted to lying...
… not about the Orthodox Priest thing nor about Dusty. The guy is a fork tongued weasel. Al is a Kenney apologist for some reason.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
You're right I typed that our wrong
He apologized for the incident, but really just turned it into a giant lie. The Dusty thing somehow got swept away.
Kenney is a weasel, I don’t know how he weaseled his way into keeping this job, but I can’t help but feel that the Cubs could get a much better guy.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I wouldn't go that far
Me and the Doc often don’t see eye to eye, but I don’t dismiss everything he says just because he’s saying it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
“LT” might like and admire a guy who has lied at least 2 times to make himself look better, apparently Al does. But that doesn’t change the facts – Kenney’s a liar.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
The two examples you cite were disconcerting
Either way, I think Hendry needs a baseball man to report to. Some of his acquisitions have been good, but some have been mind boggling from the beginning.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
…I have no problem with Kenney coming back, and I understand the logic behind Rickett’s doing that.
What I will have a big problem with, is if Rickett’s does not hire someone else to be over the entire baseball operations piece. Obviously, that person would watch over Hendry very closely.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Can you cite the facts that prove Kenney's a liar?
Specifically about the priest blessing the dugout thing? As far as I can tell, it boiled down to a “he said, he said” situation. And I take it from your posts here that you believe the priest is the one telling the truth, and Kenney is lying. Is there anything more to it than your own personal belief/opinion? Any other evidence that would ‘prove’ Kenney is the liar here?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes
I do side with the Greek Priest. He was silent about the matter. It was Kenney covering his ass when all he had to do was leave it with an apology. Kenney went out of his way to throw the burden on the priest.
Why do you believe Kenney?
What about the Dusty incident? Publicly says disses Dusty then denies saying it to Dusty.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Publicly disses Dusty then denies saying it to Dusty.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I don't know who to believe
As I said, as far as I know, it ended up being a “he said, he said” situation, and without any further evidence, given what this was all about, I guess it’s really not that important (to me) to choose sides. I feel both of them were at fault – Kenney for thinking this type of stunt was necessary, and the priest for performing said stunt. Both actions were very unprofessional.
I don’t really know anything about the Dusty incident so I don’t have an opinion on that one.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If Hendry is allowed free reign again
To sign scrappy midget infielders and overpay Notre Dame alumni, 2009 will be the beginning of a trend, not an abberation.
He needs someone above him to talk sense into him.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Free "rein", not "reign".
OK, grammar lesson over, I agree with you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You're right
But this is kind of interesting.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It is.
I found this part the most interesting:
The spelling "reign" in this expression is an example of the triumph of folk etymology over origin.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I caught that, as well.
Kind of like how “dis” has made it into the lexicon.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So much for the new owner bringing change to the organization
This is too bad.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Just b/c he's staying doesn't mean there won't be change
Just means they are going to clean house 100%
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
“Change” doesn’t necessarily mean “fire every single person who works here now”.
The Cubs have good people in place. They need MORE good people, not necessarily DIFFERENT people.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I heard on 670score that
Ricketts was looking at guys in the Red Sox front office to replace Hendry.
yeah .. next time have an interfaith prayer meeting across the street at the 7-11
and beseech God’s mercy on our boys in blue.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
If Kenney is staying
It probably means he will protect Hendry, who will protect Lou. Unless in an effort to weasel himself the job Kenney said he wouldn’t protect anybody.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
don't know about that logic train
I think Hendry is back, but my feeling is Lou will “decide” to leave.
Let's hope not...
…and I do have a feeling Rickett’s is smart enough to recognize Kenney has no business overseeing any of the baseball operations.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If that is true
I would like to see Steve Stone as GM. Check out Rosenblog on on the Trib site for details.
Oh, no.
That’s the dumbest Idea I have heard regarding change.
I’ve written about this before but I’ll make the point again. The skillset of a glib TV broadcaster and the skillset of a major league GM who has to negotiate contracts, trades, etc. are two very different things. Just because you are good at one doesn’t mean you’d be good at the other.
Stone would make a terrible GM. He’s 62 years old. Ask yourself this: if he were going to be a good baseball management person, why haven’t teams been lining up to hire him?
Ask the teams that hired Jim Frey and Hawk Harrelson out of broadcast booths to be GM’s how that worked out.
Bad, bad, BAD, TERRIBLE, HORRIFIC idea.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Aug 25, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is one
of the few times I disagree with you Al. Are you saying you would rather have Hendry? And on a side note, going back to the 70’s who do you think is the best Cub GM?
I'd take Hendry in a heartbeat...
over Stone. I loved Stone as a broadcaster in the mid 90s, and have loathed him ever since. There’s no way a guy with any front office talent would have to wait until 62 years old to find a job.
So we can wait 100 more?
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Don't Want Brenly As Replacement, But...
at least Bob Brenly has been a field manager of two division winners and a world championship team. Quite frankly, I didn’t think he was that great a manager, but I would much prefer Brenly to Stone for running the Cubs in the front office. Stone hasn’t even coached on the field in pro baseball. If we must have a current Chicago MLB announcer running the Cubs (and we certainly don’t), I would definitely go with Brenly. Let’s forget the broadcasters and stick with Kenney.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
You mean Hendry?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Thanks!
I’d rather have either Kenney or Hendry running the business affairs or the player personnel matters than Steve Stone doing either one.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Exactamundo.
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I didn't say that.
The best Cubs GM since the 70’s was Dallas Green.
Whether or not I want Hendry to return, I do NOT want Steve Stone in that office. Ever.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Last Cubs GM Better Than Green?
How far do we have to go back? Would it be all the way back to the William Wrigley days?
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I read an interesting book about 1908 cubs over the winter
We could start there and go forward. LOL
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Green would have been my guess
over the last 30 years. A more fun question would be to name the worst manager and GM over the same time period.
Great Answer!
Other contenders-Joey Amalfantano, Preston Gomez, Frank Lucchesi, and of couse-Bruce Kimm. Ed Lynch was a terrible GM. But Himes was the worst….
You can't combine the two.
Totally different skillset.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Combination of Essian and Himes
is the sort of thing I hope the Cubs never have again.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
They never had it
Essian was field manager under Frey after Zimmer was fired.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Probably William Veeck Sr. was the greatest GM of the Cubs, although he wasn’t called a General Manager, rather Vice President. But he did the job of a modern GM as far as putting the team together. Dallas Green checks in at #2
John Holland was GM for almost 20 years (1957-1975). I suppose he should get some credit for signing Williams, Santo, Kessinger, Beckert, et al., but I always got the impression that the Cub teams of the late 60s were more a product of Leo Durocher than Holland. Certainly Durocher was calling the shots on a lot of trades when he was manager. And the Cubs honestly stunk all the years Holland was GM and Durocher wasn’t managing. (He’s not responsible for the College of Coaches though. That was PK Wrigley’s stupid idea.)
There really wasn’t a GM or GM like position before Veeck. I suppose you could say the greatest Cub GM of all time was Cap Anson, but he wasn’t a GM and the team wasn’t called the Cubs. But he was in charge of finding, signing and developing players like a modern GM. And Anson was the first great baseball scout as well.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Glenn Beckert was acquired by trade from the Red Sox.
And give Buck O’Neil, who scouted Williams, Lou Brock, George Altman, etc. credit for those signings, not Holland.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oops
Good point. Holland really doesn’t deserve a lot of credit for anything. His biggest strength was his loyalty to PK Wrigley.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Green did seem to turn it all around
Brought in winning players, (which we are lacking now), and didn’t get he Sandberg?
You Mean That Minor League Shortstop?
That Sandberg guy never amounted to much of a big league shortstop. He only played 7 games there in his entire career. Those Phillies were right about him.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I hate to admit it
…but on the day that trade was made I hated it. i was a big DeJesus fan as a kid. Boy, was I happy to be wrong about that one.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, he had a brutal 1981 season
At the time I thought it was an abberation (apparently the Phillies did too). Of course it turned out to be an indicator of the fact that he had started on the downward slope.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The Phillies did win a pennant
in 1983 with DeJesus at short and for a while in the 1980s, Phillie fans and Philadelphia media used to defend the trade on the ground that DeJesus helped get them to the series. That kind of stopped after it became rather ridiculous by 1987 or 1988.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Defensively, Sandberg and Bowa
made for one of the best defensive keystone combinations I have ever seen. Bowa was past his prime by the time he got to the Cubs, but he could still play some defense late in his career. Manny Trillo and Bowa in Philadelphia was a pretty good combination, too.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Another great thing about Bowa...
…is the way he mentored Sandberg when Ryno was a young player. I’ve read stories about how he took him under his wing, worked out with him, etc.
Bowa was clearly past his prime by the time he got to the Cubs but he filled an extremely important leadership role on the team. The current team, as constructed, could really use someone like him.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
DeRosa is still in his prime but could be like that. Of course we have Milton Bradley instead.I am sure he he is working with Fuld and Fox in the OF as we speak.
I was reading Bruce Miles Cubs notes over the weekend..
…and he referred to Bradley as a “Zero in the clubhouse. A total zero.”
So much for Hendry shaking thing sup. Good idea, poor execution.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
but if you think Larry Bowa was a good defensive SS by the time he got to the Cubs, your memory is terrible. Do you remember how thick the grass had to be at Wrigley so that Bowa even had a chance to get at a ground ball? I think the grounds crew found Amelia Earhardt’s plane stuck in the left side of the infield in 1984.
Bowa had sure hands and didn’t drop what he could get too. But he had all the range of Paris Hilton acting at a Shakespeare Festival.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions
HIgh Infield Grass
I always thought that was more for Ron Cey over at third base. The Penguin didn’t have much range at all for the Cubs.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Yeah
it was for both Cey and Bowa.
It’s really too bad that Dunston wasn’t ready a year earlier. I don’t know if we would have beaten the Padres with Dunston at short rather than Bowa, but I sure would have liked to have tried. By the end of 1984, Larry Bowa was no longer good enough to play in the majors, but the Cubs kept trotting him out there. People were seriously arguing that Rick Sutcliffe should bat eighth because Bowa was that bad. His triple slash stats for 1984 were .223/.274/.269. The bad thing was that Tom Veryzer was even worse.
Dunston really wasn’t ready in 1984, but in retrospect, he probably should have been out there because as bad as he would have been, he’d have been better than Bowa. But I don’t think Jim Frey had that kind of vision and Dallas Green wasn’t going to force it on him.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Of Course, Bowa Couldn't Hit
Bowa was the obvious hole in that 1984 lineup. He was a sure-handed shortstop that didn’t make the same kind of errors that Dunston made in the field.
I liked Dunston’s bat better than Bowa’s. I knew Bowa was at the end of his career. The shame of all this is that Dunston didn’t play defense with the same discipline Bowa did. I wish Bowa could have hit at least .240 for the Cubs in 1984, but his bat was far worse than his glove.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
He didn't make any errors
because he didn’t get to anything! He had no range.
You can go back to the old Bill James Baseball Abstracts from the 1980s. He did a major study about how poor Bowa’s range was—or at least as major as you could have done with the stats available at the time. He concluded that Bowa had one of the worse ranges of any shortstop in the majors—and that was when he was still with the Phillies! He got worse in Chicago—although the prairie that was allowed to grow between him and home plate helped a little. Of course, it helped Ozzie Smith and Jose Oquendo just as much.
The infield grass is proof that the Cubs knew that Bowa had no range.
Bowa’s only positive contribution to the 1984 Cubs was his clubhouse leadership—and how much stock you put in that will say how valuable you think Bowa was. Dallas Green certainly thought it was important—which was probably why he made no move to replace him. (Bowa’s backup, Tom Veryzer, was just as bad. Maybe worse.)
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This might be the best post...
I’ve ever read here!
Joe, you coulda made us proud!
by copingwiththecubs on Aug 26, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Didnt know this about Harrelson
I think you’re right about this Al, no to Stone.
Harrelson served as a Chicago White Sox announcer from 1982 to 1985 and briefly left broadcasting during the 1986 season to become the White Sox’s General Manager. Many people questioned his work ethic as a GM because he was often found on the golf course instead of in the office. In addition, others questioned his personnel decisions. During that one season, Harrelson fired field manager Tony LaRussa (who was soon hired by the Oakland Athletics, whom he led to three consecutive AL pennants) and assistant general manager Dave Dombrowski (who become baseball’s youngest general manager with the Montreal Expos just two years later). Harrelson also traded rookie Bobby Bonilla, later a six-time All-Star, to the Pittsburgh Pirates for pitcher Jose DeLeon.
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He was responsible for acquiring the talent the Expos had in the years leading up to the 1994 strike. He also got a lot of the talent that the “NL team below Georgia” had back in 2003.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Let me understand
Because Frey and Hawk were unsuccessful going from the booth to GM, Stone would fail also. That is stereotyping and close minded Al.
You say “Just because you are good at one doesn’t mean you’d be good at the other.” It doesn’t mean you won’t be good either. I know several people who are good that more than just one thing.
To say it’s a HORRIBLE idea, you have really weak points to back it up.
Along those same lines
Would people have discounted Kenny Williams if he had spent some time in the booth first.
I give up.
Stone as GM would be a horrible idea. If you think otherwise, you’re simply wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No
Not even Bill James would suggest that.
But I can’t understand why people think giving the job to someone with no relevant experience would be a good idea. It’s like making the guys who run the Motley Fool website as heads of the Federal Reserve. Sure, they know something about money, but they don’t know anything about how to run the Federal Reserve System.
Al has given two examples of people who were pulled out of the broadcast booth and made GMs with no front office experience (although one had been a successful field manager.) Both were miserable failures. I haven’t yet heard someone giving an example of a guy who was given the GM job with no relevant experience and was a success. OK, William Veeck Sr. That was in the 1920s and I don’t think the game is quite the same. (He wasn’t even called a GM.) And Veeck even stunk at the job for a few years before getting the hang of it.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, since people asked...
… if not Hendry, I’d probably see if the Cubs could pry Billy Beane away from Oakland. Beane, with a larger payroll, could do great things.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Beane
is a part-owner of the Athletics and the San Jose Earthquakes. He’s not going anywhere.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ricketts threw enough $ at him, he'd leave.
He could sell his interest in those teams, make some money, and take on the challenge of making the Cubs a winner. You don’t think the GM of the team that finally wins it won’t be remembered forever?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Come on Al, the A's stink
and Beane has put that mess together.
They stink NOW.
But Beane put together several playoff teams.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Boston threw enough money at him
in 2003 that he agreed to leave Oakland. He changed his mind twelve hours later.
It’s just not about the money for Beane.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon Al, play nice...
While I agree with you that Stone as GM is a horrible idea, it doesn’t mean anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. Opinions can’t be wrong or right, remember?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
It's not just about the fact that Stone is a broadcaster.
It’s his personality. It’s his reputation. It’s his attitude. It’s actions he’s taken in the not-so-distant past. He’s a bad choice. Period.
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I really can't answer that off the top of my head.
I would gather a list of suitable available candidates and review it very carefully until I came to a sound conclusion. I’m merely saying that, if Steve Stone were on that list, I would cross it off immediately.
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Al Yellon, of course!
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How about
Jed Hoyer, Assistant GM in Boston.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Works for me.
That management team has obviously done great things for the Red Sox. And I’ll be real honest – I’m not too hip to the whole GM scene. But, again, I do feel I can recognize individuals who should not be considered for the job – Stone being one.
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Another bad idea.
James is a very bright baseball mind. But he is a statistician and writer, not an executive. Different skillset.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Veeck
was a baseball writer. And if you think the job hasn’t changed in the last 80 years . . .
Heck, 60 years ago Sid Hartman was a great GM for the Minneapolis Lakers. But those were the days when most sports GMs had no idea what they were doing anyway, so a journalist could step in and do well. But sports and the GM position has been greatly professionalized over the past 60 years. The idea that one could step in today and do a good job is not credible.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly....there is a reason he is still a color guy.
…he tried very hard to jump the fence the GM/ownership side and no one wanted him
wow tell us how you really feel, al
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by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
One thousand time "NO"!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
No Steve Stone please.
what qualifies him to be GM. Ego driven Stoney, no thanks
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
I have a better chance than Stone.
He’s a thin skinned jerk and is NOT well liked by anyone in baseball. Writers and talkshow guys like him because he fires on the Cubs. What has he ever run or done to have so many fans thinking he could run anything other than his mouth?
With Kenney back there is absolutely NO chance of the bitter old man returning. Thank God.
He’s probably the most over-rated person in Chicago sports history.
puke.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that in response to Stone as GM, or the suggestion to read Rosenbloom?
Either or both is appropriate.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
throw in ESPN Baseball
And I would have had the trifecta.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 26, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Stone may come across as a know it all sometimes
But usually he was correct. He may have been off on the Bradley-Tiger thing. Or both teams just shut up about it. In the booth it was uncanny how often he was correct. So much could have been avoided if he had been hired instead of Lynch.
I tend to not take much stock in the Rosenblog
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes he is one
of the few who tell the plain truth about the Cubs in the newspapers. But he is a Sox fan…..
The Cubs would have been measurably worse with Stone as GM.
See above for the reasons. Hiring a broadcaster to run a multi-million dollar business is a really bad idea.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's a given.
Harrelson ran Tony LaRussa out of town. He automatically gets nominated for “Worst GM Ever”, just for that.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Moving Fisk to LF
Moving the “real” Pudge (no offense to Ivan Rodriguez) to left field was a dumb idea for the White Sox. Harrelson was behind that move.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
He may be "usually...correct" when doing color commentary on a baseball game...
…but that – in no way – translates to a successful GM. Steve Stone is a bitter, spiteful, snarky man who holds a grudge – these are not good qualities for a GM, who has to build mutually beneficial, friendly relationships with not only other GMs and their staffs, but players as well. There is no way I want Steve Stone running the Chicago Cubs.
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Not for GM, but it must be weird in that
broadcast booth to have each man look across the mikes to see a mirror image.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Aug 25, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*snicker*
+1
I wonder if either realizes it’s keetle meet pot, pot meet kettle?
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He bitter towards
the Cub brasswhich would be gone. The players who he called out for running on flyballs and lack of hustle deserved it. Those players should feel like they have done something wrong. Unlike now when they are not held accountable. Just watch the line-up tonight. Soriano will play and Fox will sit. Soriano does not deserve to play Fox does. But I guess the paycheck will dictate the line-up. Lou gets more and more like Dusty. Or maybe its from Hendry…..
I have Santo and Harrelson being the same deal.
Both homers and dear to their teams but should not be GM’s.
I agree....
No one has said Santo would be a good gm.
Pat Hughes is also often right but that doesn’t mean I think he’d make a good gm.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said anything about Santo besides you?
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course they should.
Is anyone thinking they shouldn’t?
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They gave Harrleson a chance.
That’s why I am using his name. Didn’t work out. It would be the same if Santo had the chance. I am talking 15 years ago not now. Stone is the subject now and he would be better than either.
Stone would be a terrible GM.
Let’s drop this topic, OK? Not only would he be a terrible GM, it will never happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Stone always seemed to have a business sense.
As well as being a player. If you recall him on the old Murph shows he talked just like a GM. He also made more sense than Hendry or McPhail.
So b/c he talked like he could be a GM or made interesting calls in the booth
That qualifies you to be a GM in baseball.
Hey I can ponder the lack of value Miles has or that Sori contract is too long or Geo should lose weight.
None of these things qualify me to be a GM.. unless Kennedy is reading this. If thats the case I will forward him my resume.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
A big difference would be that he was with the organization for over 20 years.
I have my own opinions as well, I am not qualified either.
Stone wasn't "with the organization".
He worked for TV channels.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If Crane is staying
he will then choose who will be GM next year.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
His last name isn't Kennedy
it’s Kenney.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
oops
That went right over my head
hangs my head in shame
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, it's okay
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
If the Kennedys have anything to do with this
we will TRULY be cursed.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
that's funny!
His great “business sense” has him in a position that he HAS to work!
Funny stuff though.
Why did cub fans turn on
Stone? I noticed on this site he is not well reguarded. What did he do to piss everyone off? He went to the Sox because he was sick of waiting for the Cubs.
I don't think it's just this Cubs site....
I’m guessing there are Cubs sites where this is also true
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Stone left in a huff.
I suspect he regrets stalking off like that over what was, in retrospect, irrelevant. He’s probably unhappy to not have the adulation of Cubs fans every day and so he snarks against them.
He’s a bitter old man. Leave it be.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This isn't true
I am not going to try to counter the tide of people who continue to throw Stone under a bus, its fruitless, but this simply isn’t true. Stone was totally mistreated by several players and the Cubs organization did nothing about it. It was a hostile work environment, and when the organization did nothing about it, Stone left. He did not leave in a huff, he wanted to stay but when the organization refused to do anything, he left.
The way he talks about the Cubs
is, to me, reminiscent of that girlfriend who dumped you even though you still loved her, and you’re still angry about it but secretly want her back. He spews a lot of venom when he speaks of the Cubs and the organization in general.
then
make him the pitching coach…not the GM
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Also, see the Cubs 2009 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2009.html
He'd be a bad pitching coach, too.
Stone has a cushy job and probably wouldn’t want to put in the work needed to be a good pitching coach.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Larry Dierker
He’s the one pitcher, who was later a broadcaster, that I thought was a decent MLB manager. I don’t think Stone would be that good a pitching coach, much less a manager.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Dierker was a decent manager.
But he’s about the only one.
Bob Brenly has also made the transition from booth to dugout.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If we're talking about pitchers becoming managers...
…Roger Craig had decent success with the Giants.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Made the playoffs twice, won one pennant.
But was overall a .500 manager — sounds a lot like Dusty Baker.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes
But Brenly spent several seasons on Dusty Baker’s staff before taking over the D-Backs. He didn’t go straight from the booth to the manager’s position.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just commenting on
the statement that Marmol would not be falling off the mound if Stone was the GM. I also don’t think that he would be a good pitching coach, but it is the pitching coach, not the GM that would be working with Marmol
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Also, see the Cubs 2009 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2009.html
No, I know what you meant.
But it still wouldn’t work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
See, that I'm definitely on board with.
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I'd vote for that...
… but I suspect Maddux, if he comes back to coach, would want to stay with a West Coast team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, unfortunately, I think so, too.
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Doesn't Hurt To Ask, Though
We don’t know yet, if or when Greg Maddux will become a pitching coach. I suspect Maddux is one of the few who can not only “do” but can actually “teach”, too.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Well said about Stone
In his “hey day” as Cubs announcer, I thought he was as good a color man as there was. Unfortunately, the bitterness that’s developed in him since he left has, IMO, tarnished his legacy beyond repair.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 25, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, and...
… again, I repeat: being able to talk glibly about baseball on TV does not qualify you to negotiate contracts, make trades, etc. with other men who have done that job for many more years than you have.
Hiring Stone as GM would be an utter disaster.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How do you know?
Hiring Stone as GM would be an utter disaster.
It may be, but it may not be. You talk as though this is a virtual certainty, that he would fail. I’m not saying Stone deserves or should be GM, but I think the tone you’ve taken and the assured nature of your point of view is quite extreme. Who knows how Stone would do?
I agree with this...
I don’t think it’s fair to say that it would be a disaster. It may be that Stone is perfectly capable of the job despite having literally no experience.
Though I’ll agree with the statement that Stone has virtually no experience that would suggest he’s prepared or capable of doing the job, and thus I wouldn’t want to see him hired. But I wouldn’t unequivocally say he’d be a disaster in the job – stranger things have happened.
yup
As silly as the concept that Stone would be perfect as a GM/Coach/Manager, etc, equally as silly is the concept that he would be a disaster. We have no idea and anyone who thinks that they know the magical formula of personality, experience and other skills to make a great GM is fooling themselves.
But hey, this just adds to the ever building hatred that people seem to have towards Stone.
I was sad when he didn't return as the color man
I defended him for a while. His views on Dusty and the 2004 fiasco were spot-on. But then he moved on to The Score and began spewing irrational “thoughts.”
If you have access to Lexis-Nexis or another powerful publications database, I suggest you read some articles where he’s quoted starting in mid-2005 and ending today. You’ll be surprised at the amount of biased venom.
please let me know...
… some specific examples of what you see as irrational thoughts. I am a regular listener of WSCR and listened to Stone religiously. Please tell me what was irrational. Was it his statements about the mechanics of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior? Was it the overabundance of money being spent by Jim Hendry.
I am completely sick and tired of the crap that people heap on Stone and details they reveal about his personality as though they know him personally. People here like to claim that they have inside info and are a part of the baseball inner circle and state as a fact that Stone is liked by no one. Give it a rest, people and further, you all should hold yourselves to the same standards you’re holding Stone to!
My feelings about Stone as GM....
… have nothing to do with his personality as shown on the radio. It’s really simple: the skillset to negotiate contracts, make trades, etc. have nothing to do with the skill of talking intelligently about baseball on radio or TV. Stone is good at doing that.
Again — if Stone were a baseball management genius, why has absolutely no one asked him to be a GM in the 26 years since he retired from the game?
I think the answer should be obvious.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I get it
Like I said, for people to universally exhault Stone as the great GM type is silly… but its just as silly to say he’d be a failure. We have no idea how he’d be. And the reason no one asked him to be a GM seems obvious to me, but for a different reason. To be a GM he’d likely have to have given up his cushy announcer’s job and start working from the bottom, get a job in scouting and development or coaching. We can count likely on one hand the number of GMs who got their jobs without such experience, so to think that Stone was not given the opportunity for any other reason is just not right.
My point exactly!
Doing that — as I noted somewhere else, that’s what Dallas Green did — at age 62 is impossible. There’s no way you give a guy with zero management experience, at that age, a job running a major market team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
let the record show...
… that Stone has said for quite some time now that he really no longer has interests in a front office position. I know that people want to, at times, paint Stone as trying to power grab and of the belief that he should be the guy in charge. Stone has said often that GMs should be guys in their 30s and 40s, who want to stay up all night at GMs meetings, and that this lifestyle is not of interest to him.
I bet to differ
From Steve’s blog on CSN, dated July 24th, 2009, Steve was asked by a fan about his interest in being a MLB Manager or Front Office Guru. Here is his reply.
Steve, have you ever considered becoming a MLB Manager or Front Office guru? I love your insight.
Stone: Well at this point, I have an extended TV contract with a wonderful organization. I work for a dedicated man in baseball, Jerry Reinsdorf so I would be happy to finish my career here as a broadcaster. But I also thought I’d spend the years doing the Cubs and in 2004 that ended. Though I don’t think that will happen to another broadcaster because people will learn from mistakes of 2004, and know that life takes turns and twists.
The first part is a definite No on the manager front, that’s a young man’s job – it’s a 12 month a year pressure packed job with a lot of demands on your time and I have a family who is not in Chicago and I need to make time for them and it’s just not in the game plan in my stage of life.
As far as anything else, you have to be open to opportunities but I probably will not go out actively seeking anything at this point. One thing I can say, when you think you have life figured out, something happens that amazes you.
Where do you find in that quote...
… that he wants to be a GM?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I believe
his last paragraph, clearly stated he is open to opportunities. Just because he is actively seeking a front office position, doesn’t mean he won ’t consider.
It just as equally implies that he's open to consider:
-Microsoft CEO
-Wal-Mart greeter
-Straightening racks at Victoria’s Secret
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
what is your point???
it equally implies he is willing to consider an opportunity, whatever that may be.
If you actually read the comment by dmlitche @ 1044 AM today, he is claiming Stone has no longer has interest in a Front Office job. As of July 24th, 2009 he was open to opportunities. dmlitche also claims Stone to say a GM should be in his 30’s or 40’s. No, he said a MANAGER should be in that age range, not a GM.
I wonder if Stone had a typo
A field manager’s job isn’t year round as much as a GM’s is. That quote doesn’t seem quite right.
Besides, wouldn’t YOU like a job at Victoria’s Secret straightening racks? I know I would . . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
umm... would those 'racks' happen to be of the living, breathing variety?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You see what I did there
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking only for myself...
…I’m obviously not referring to Stone’s private personality – I’m referring to his public personality, which, again, I find snarky and off-putting. He’s been a real treat on Twitter, too.
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He calls a good game.
That’s about it.
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Have you ever heard the jerk on the radio over the last few years?
He’s a bitter old man.
because he's a tool
and when he’s proven wrong, he goes off in a huff. That’s NOT what the Cubs need.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Dallas Green
had the baseball background to be a GM. His qualifications would be what I look for. Hendry took a somewhat different route as a college coach but still has the sound evaluator role that you need as a GM. Steve Stone makes no sense unless you want to live with old stories about Harry. We could probably come up with a list of qualifications, that makes more sense than talking about Steve Stone.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I believe Hendry is a very good evaluator of young baseball talent.
I’m concerned about how he looks at value and judges the free agent market. I’m also concerned he overvalues players on his MLB roster and is prone to bid against himself.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
but someone wrote an aticle about in the paper
so they must know something we don’t.
I don’t know how any one can read his hand ringing in the first place.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the poker columnist wrote about it
in his online, paper supported, blog, not the paper.
Not exactly the bastion of journalistic fact. It’s really his opinion and gauged as such.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Is it Poker? I thunk it was Bridge?
Regardless, in a city of poor sports journalists, this character is ensconced as the worst of them all.
I will ask the older guys
What did Green do between playing and being a GM. Was he a front office person, a scout?
well..
He was the manager of the Phillies from 1979-81 (including the 1980 World Champions), then he was hired to be the CUbs GM in 82. I believe before he was in the dugout, he worked in the Phillies front office.
See what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html
Also, see the Cubs 2009 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2009.html
Green had quite a bit of management experience before he was named field manager.
He was assistant farm director for the Phillies from 1970-1972. He was the director of player development from 1973-1974 and scouting director from 1975-1979, before being named manager late in the 1979 season.
That’s nearly ten years of front office experience before he became a GM. Now, if Steve Stone had wanted to go that route, he might have become a good GM. But he didn’t, and he’s now 62 years old — kind of late to get started in management.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm not old or a guy...........
but this is what I found when I googled him. Quite an interesting read actually
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
What I liked about him was that he didn't accept BS
Can you imagine him dealing with Bradley and Soriano. The lack of basic baseball skills like bunts and base running. He seemed like he came from the Billy Martin school of baseball.
I always wanted Martin to manage the Cubs
Sure he would have flamed out in 2 years but it would have been fun……Does anybody think he wouldn’t be playing Fox and Fuld right now.
No response from BLou?!
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I say!
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
He's having lunch martinis with his source who works at the law firm handling the team's sale
by chilango2 on Aug 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nailed it.
Good one Jose.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
clap clap clapity clap
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
If I had access to my own hdd
I’d get a picture up of Randy Jackson and caption it with “You rocked it dawg!” Awesome stuff. Just tremendous.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 25, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The same thing he said yesterday.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
That his "source"
told him that Kenney has been told by the new owners that his services will no longer be needed and that Crane is now working elsewhere.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
to think I missed that
So Crane is already working a new job according to BLou and not w/ the Cubs anymore?
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 25, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what he said yesterday.
Find BM’s name in a thread and click on it and read his posts from yesterday. I’m not familiar with the name of the company Crane is suppose to be working for. BM insisted it was true.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
You don't know BLou
very well I take it?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Here it is.
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/24/1000147/welcome-to-the-cubs-tom-ricketts#comments
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
It's at the bottom of the page.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Yep
I don’t know BLou. I don’t know Sue and I don’t know Drew. I do know there is nothing from BLou at the bottom of the page.
Huh?
Read about
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
crap, posted too soon
It’s towards the bottom of the page. The subject line says –
Crane Kenney has already been told he won’t be retained.
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/24/1000147/welcome-to-the-cubs-tom-ricketts#comments
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Thank you
If true, I only see this as a good sign for the Cubs. If TR is making things happen before he is officially the owner, then watch out.
you're welcome
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
It's there.
People are still replying to his comment. Look for it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
never mind
I see you found it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Sounds like a song.
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Sandy Alderson is in discussion with Ricketts
Trust me on this one. An announcement on his role will be forthcoming. But right now he is one of 6 individuals / groups who is negotiating a minority share of the Cubs. And Alderson is being discussed for the role of PRESIDENT. I don’t know what that means for Kenney, but I’m telling you what I know.
Two other interesting names are negotiating minority share interest.
1. Donald Levin
2. Penny Pritzker, of the Pritzker / Hyatt Hotel / Marmon Group family dynasty
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
I still tend to believe you
If Kenney is completely removed from baseball operations then he can stay. A baseball person needs to be in charge, not somebody who just gives Hendry free reign to spend money and has no clue.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
That makes no sense at all.
No one was complaining a year ago when Hendry, with “free rein” (not “reign”) to spend money, traded for Rich Harden at midseason.
If the Cubs had the ability to spend money this year, they might have been able to add some useful parts.
Maybe that will be the case next year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I just want somebody who knows baseball sitting behind Hendry
Making sure he creates the best 25 man roster possible. Kenney doesn’t have the skill set.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Kenney isn't making the baseball decisions.
Hendry is.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You
have said Kenney was out and Hendry is out, your wrong twice already. Why would anyone want a washed up baseball person like Alderson, without monkeyball he’s worthless. Plus he took a job with MLB investigating Latin American problems, such as steroid use/abuse and club officials on the take.
Admittedly enough, you haven't quite been proven wrong just yet.
This article from today’s Tribune clarifies that, though Kenney is being retained, his precise role on the Cubs is not clear. It’s possible that Alderson could step in as President and Kenney could be moved to another position.
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The direct quote from the article is
“the contract of the chairman of the Cubs is being modified and assumed in connection with consummation of the formation agreement.”
It says nothing about what “modified” means. Anything any of us here could say about it is nothing more than speculation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Absolutely.
I was just pointing out, in all fairness, that BLou’s claim is not completely disproven by the ESPN piece. Then again, of course, it has yet to be proven either.
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Trust you? LOL!!
Minority interest is just that, no votes-no real imput. No different than Zell as a minority interest in the White Sox.
You have no idea what you are talking about, but you do provide some funny stuff!
I really wish
that the Cubs would be less reactive and more proactive for once and take interest in developing Maddux as a future manager… I think he is going to be one of the best managers of all-time when things are said in done. The man is a genius and knows the game inside and out.
He could
but the question is does he want to? Is he willing to do what Sandberg has been doing (and Ryno admitted he had no idea how much he had to learn when he first became a manager.)
If Maddux wants to manage, that’s great. He’d probably be pretty good. But I don’t see him either really wanting the job (because of all the off-the-field stuff a manager has to deal with) or willing to earn his chops in the minors. Of course, you could have said the same thing about Sandberg three years ago. But Ryno had to be out of the game for a decade before he decided he wanted to do what it takes to manage.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Sanberg is proving his worth
He’s good a good job with the Smokies.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Jed Hoyer, Boston Assistant GM
If Hendry is fired, he’s got to be #1 on our list. He should also be #2, #3 and #4.
I can get on board with that
Is there a realistic the Cubs could pry Billy away from Oakland?
I’m not familiar with Jed Hoyer, but Theo is one of the best GM out there. Just because you use a cookie cutter, doesn’t mean all the cookies are going to be exactly the same. What do we know about Hoyer?
Well, I'd argue
that there is no team in baseball in a more similar situation to us than the Boston Red Sox. Old stadium, tons of money, devoted fan base, aggressive and obsessive media, long tradition of losing (sorry).
It’s a couple of years old, but here’s an interview with Hoyer at Baseball Analysts.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
As I wrote earlier
Beane ain’t going anywhere. He’s a part owner of the Athletics and a part owner, along with Athletics owner Lewis Wolff, of the San Jose Earthquakes.
If Beane was willing to leave Oakland, he would have left by now.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take just about anyone who was part of Theo's team ...
…what he has done there is a bullprint for what the Cubs should be trying to replicate
I think that's what architects call a really poorly drawn blueprint.
“Dude, this is bullprint!”
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
or it's the plans you draw up when you're building a china shop...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Why
is this guy so much better than anyone else. In all respect, because the last two guys Gammons annointed were Antonetti and Ricciardi and neither have accomplished very much, especially the later
Whatever Gammons
said about Hoyer I’m unfamiliar with. But a lot of people other than Gammons are saying that Hoyer is the top GM candidate around.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 26, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
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