"Not With A Bang, But A Whimper": Cubs Lose To Nationals 5-4, Close Play At Plate Goes Unargued
by Al Yellon on Aug 27, 2009 5:11 PM CDT
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PrintWhat bothered me most about the play in the seventh inning where Derrek Lee tried to score on a pitch that got away from Nats catcher Josh Bard isn't that plate umpire Bill Welke blew the call -- Bard tagged Lee with his glove, but the ball was in his hand, and Lee had actually made a neat slide to try to get around Bard.
What really bothered me is that there was no fiery Lou Piniella charging out of the dugout, cap-throwing, yelling, screaming, supporting his team. I'm not usually one to say that kind of action from a manager is justified -- but this time, when the call was so clearly wrong, and the run would have tied the game, I think a manager who's engaged, interested, trying every straw he can grab on to for his team's fading postseason hopes, would be out there in Welke's face, getting tossed if he has to, getting a smallish crowd (maybe 20,000 in the house of an announced 35,174) loud and supportive.
Nope. Lou sat on his hands, the way he's sat on his hands much of this year. I'm not sure what Lou's deal is. He's given a lukewarm answer to direct questions about whether he wants to come back for the option year he signed on his contract last offseason ("I'm planning on returning", Lou said), but he's acting like a guy who wants to retire to pina coladas on his back porch in Tampa.
The Cubs lost to the Nationals 5-4, losing a series they should have won, and this play wasn't the only reason they lost, obviously. But it is a symptom of a team curiously out of sync; they paid good lip service (in the quotes I posted this morning) to the idea that they're still in playoff contention (and I suppose, by the very tips of their fingernails, they still are), but they're not playing with the urgency that comes with such contention.
The game, really, was lost in the first inning when, after Randy Wells gave up three to the Nats, the Cubs loaded the bases with one out and failed to score. Jessica asked me if there's any way to find out how many times that's happened. I said, "You mean bases loaded and not scored? Plenty." She meant how many times in the first inning. I'm not sure if there is a way to break that down, but it occurred to me that there have been many such times in 2009. The Cubs left RISP in the first, fourth and ninth, in addition to Lee being cut down wrongly at the plate in the seventh, seven left on base in all, including the tying run with only one out in the ninth. Ryan Theriot, who used to be so good at hitting the other way last year, could have tied the game with one of those flares to right that he used to hit with regularity. Instead, he grounded to third.
Wells threw OK after the first inning, giving up only three more hits; unfortunately, one of those hits was a homer to Adam Dunn, his 34th (that's nine more than any Cub has, and I still think those would have looked pretty good in blue pinstripes, no matter how bad the defense), and that wound up as the difference in the game. After Dunn's homer Wells, Kevin Gregg, Angel Guzman, and John Grabow kept the Nats hitless, issuing only four walks (three of them to Willie Harris, who had to come into the game after Nyjer Morgan jammed his hand stealing a pair of bases in the first inning).
But the Cubs simply couldn't do anything off Sean Burnett and Mike MacDougal, and another loss is chalked up.
What is more interesting to discuss this evening are the waiver claims made on Aaron Heilman and Rich Harden, supposedly both by National League teams. Thanks to Heilman's best BCB friend brian custer for posting this FanShot about the claim while I was at the game.
I will tell you that sitting as close to the Cubs bullpen as I was, I did not see Heilman sitting there during the game, and he is usually very recognizable, since he wears the old-fashioned blue pullup stirrup socks. It may very well be that the Cubs have already let him go -- I sure hope so, and I can't imagine any NL contending team really thinks they can help him.
About Harden, that's an interesting dilemma. I think it would be worth exploring signing Harden, who is a free agent, in the offseason -- but that could still be done even if a trade is worked out with some other NL team. I wouldn't just give him away, as he has thrown very well since the All-Star break and could command a decent prospect or two, and it wouldn't cost the acquiring team much money, considering there's only about $1 million left on his contract for this season. On the other hand, if Harden is offered arbitration by the Cubs and leaves, the Cubs (I believe; correct me if I'm wrong) are due two amateur draft picks due to Harden's Type A free agent status.
So the Cubs have 72 hours to either work out a deal or pull Harden back from waivers. If they can make a trade that would benefit the team in the future, I'd say do it, even as I hold on to faint hopes that the Cubs will make postseason play.
The Mets come in tomorrow. That's a team the Cubs should be able to beat. But then, I said that about the Nationals, too. Keep the faith, anyway.
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Couldn't agree more on the play at the plate
This team is a whisker away from being completely out of it. FIRE UP YOUR TEAM IN SOME WAY, ANY WAY
ONE WORD: PATHETIC
To lose 2 out of 3 with what’s on the line? TO THE FREAKING NATIONALS?
Time to start thinking 2010 because this is officially over.
Embarrassing game…..Embarrassing season….
Re: Play at the plate going unargued
It’s pretty useless to argue a play, right? There’s a widely-used phrase in Spanish: “Discutele al ampayer,”—or “argue with the umpire” using a sarcastic tone—that makes you think twice about trying to change something that’s unchangeable.
I realize an argument with the umps may fire up the team and what not, but is it really worth it? It’s as pointless as booing, no?
Not always... you could hope for the ever present makeup call!
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never seen a call overturned in baseball,
other than HRs or ground-rule doubles. Never a judgement call.
No, the point isn't to overturn the play...
… which isn’t going to happen. Firing up the team may or may not work.
It’s showing you’re a leader and supporting your team when a call goes against them. Lou sat there. That’s not leadership.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe he actually wanted to stay in the game and manage.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe that wasn't the right thing to do in that situation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
AL,
actions always speak louder than words, Lou is either handcuffed or is not interested.
Listen the gig is up, Rickets is coming in and will make key decisions—-okay Kenney stays because he is about the cash flow for now. But product management and product marketing and operations are the purview of the check signer.
I vote for Tony, Lou is good but Tony is better and his contract is up. That means another GM too, but the bottom line is no nonsense.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
As for Bradley and Soriano
Lou lost them. Tell Bradley not to come till Sept one and go with 24.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
huh?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
why would we give Bradley basically four days off, then play him again
I’m confused as to what that would accomplish
bobby cox gets ejected all the time
i guess he doesnt like to manage ballgames
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He manages better from the clubhouse
Note to Bobby: Retire, already.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Maybe he had a chance to show his team he gave a shit
guess what he showed; he didn’t give a shit.
Sorry folks, he looks just like Dusty did at this time in 2006. And it’s happened somewhat quickly (compared to Dusty).
Just win the next game...!
Well, that would be a first.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
you can argue a call without getting ejected
I agree with Al, some show that Lou actually has some fight left in him would go a lot farther than saying the right things.
Yeah, of course
But it’s painfully clear now that Piniella is not the leader of this club. It doesn’t look like there’s anyone pulling them in the same direction. Therefore, my comment about the point of arguing.
Now, I didn’t see the play nor have seen it yet. Was it obvious Lee was safe? Because I was under the impression it was a close call and initially nobody felt robbed.
It's obvious who the leader of this team was...and we traded him away.
Ronny Cedeno.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
and if he gets traded
heilman might get us a bag of balls!
the crown of leadership is passed on, yet again..
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Crown his ass then!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He was who we thought he was...
… and we let him off the hook.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know you wanted in!
You’ve been appointed to a managing role of the Aaron Heilman Sucks Fanclub, even though it could disband in the very near future.
Instructions will follow.
No, it won't disband...
… just move on to some other team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
rename it the aaron miles sucks fanclub if heilman does get booted
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You can combine
with the “just say no to Aarons” club
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We could use some Diamond Dry
a couple of 50 lb. bags.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
you are over the top
with your heilman-hate,al
by brian custer on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Bard tagged him with his glove, but the ball wasn’t in the glove at the time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I can't imagine how it felt in the crowd
when the call was as egregious as that.
Just win the next game...!
At the time we saw the play...
… it did look like he was tagged, obviously, from where I was, I couldn’t tell the ball wasn’t in the glove.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's what I asked above
Maybe the visiting player duped the whole stadium, including the players involved. Maybe that’s why there was no argument.
Bingo
Trey2317 and I discussed it in the Game Thread at the time. It was an unfortunate, but forgivable error on the part of the umpire.
I’m pretty sure no one in the stadium knew that DLee was actually safe. Not the ump, not Lou, not even Derrek himself.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Burnett or Bard?
I believe the phantom tag was applied by the pitcher Burnett and not the catcher Bard.
Burnett was the guy guarding the plate
And applying the “tag”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Piniella was standing up and
he’s not looking at a replay and lee looks out b/c the throw beat him there…
it’s a bang-bang call but Lou from his vantage was probably blocked…
I've wondered more than once this season...
if Lou might not be suffering from other serious problems we don’t know about. I find the apparent change in his demeanour hard to fathom otherwise. He does not always make the impression of being well, and if this is the case, then it is hard to criticise him for wanting to hang on to his “normal” life. But, when and if he damages the team, then he ought to be man enough to step down.
Lou’s possible health problems would not release any of the players in any fashion from the responsibility of having played a sub-standard season.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
From the get go...
…Lou said he was not the same guy that would go out and throw bases etc. etc. from the very day he signed with the Cubs. For the most part, he has been true to the statement and clearly handles most circumstances with more patience.
I am sure he told Hendry the samething before he signed, but I don’t think for a minute that the losses don’t kill him, he just handles it in a different fashion.
To me, he seems a bit tired and it may be time for him to walk away. I do think he has built up enough equity to be paid for his last year, and you may see a behind the scenes agreement out of respect to Piniella, so they don’t have to publically fire him and I believe he has earned that as well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
ACK
I believe he has earned that as well.
So do I.
When I talk about the change in his demeanour, I was referring the last months and not the more distant past. He does appear to be exhausted and I hope that this not a sign of a health problem.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
I don't think it's health...
…I think he is frustrated on many many fronts, and not all of those being with just the players.
At his age, I just don’t think he has the energy to respond to the frustration like he did 10 years ago, but it’s not because he doesn’t care.
I wonder what the core group of players think about this whole thing, and whether they have had any player only meetings when one or two have stepped up and said “we suck” and the responsibility is all ours?
Player only meetings can be overdone, but in a year like this, you would hope the players would find it necessary to have at least one – “lay it on the table” type meeting.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The problem with that core group of players doing that...
…. is that there don’t seem to be any player leaders on this year’s team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's not a good thing...
…a good bit of your leadership needs to come from your teamates, and it’s a problem if you don’t have guys who step up.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
This team hasn't shown
heart in the past two weeks. Do you really think Lou yelling and screaming would change this? This is like the fire and passion arguement from Ditka fans.
by VillanuevaExperience on Aug 28, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember when Lou was ejected on the play at third base in 2007?
It was largely credited for “turning the season around.” Not that it would have a similar effect this year, but I’m just sayin’…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
i was at that game
it was great.
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I was at that game
and the Cubs still lost.
But back then, Piniella still held the reins and was the leader of that group. I wouldn’t venture the same statement about today’s group.
Not when the leader of your team is up there.
The Cubs have a history of going on winning streaks after Lou “blow-ups”. The only way we make the playoffs is pulling off a long winning streak. It can’t hurt at this point.
I think Lou knows what all of us know.
this is a disfunctional team and nothing he can do or say is going to change what he is working with. I know we have too many long term contracts, but if Lou is indeed coming back, he will have a say in what he needs to compete.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
The 2009 Chicago Cubs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
So is it crushed by a giant invisible foot?
Must be SOME giant!
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
pretty much.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Very saddening
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Sadly, yes. I think Lou realizes his "message" is no longer heard by the team.
He’s quit trying. Is there any wonder the team has followed suit?
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
Lee was called out and no amount of arguing by Lou would have changed that.
I would much rather have Lou in the dugout actually managing in a close game than getting pointlessly thrown out for arguing a call that wouldn’t be changed. At this point I guess Al is just going to take every opportunity to bash Lou.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bash him?
Hardly, I’ve been a supporter of him. The point is to show your team that you’ve got their backs when a call goes against them. It’s not pointless; I have a hard time understanding why you can’t see this.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Since it's become apparent that this team is done you've been ever more critical of Lou. You have even claimed that his employment should depend on the last 40 games.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And it's wrong to hold that opinion?
Oh, yes, wait, I forgot. Some people here apparently feel having opinions is wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Are you changing the argument?
You said bash him? and i pointed out how I think you are bashing him. You then go on this straw man about me saying you shouldn’t have an opinion. I don’t agree with your opinion that Lou should be judged based upon the next 40 games. Personally, my opinion is that he should be judged by his entire performance as a Cubs manager but I could be 100% wrong.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the stat geek crowd's comment...
… every time I say something they don’t agree with, it’s a “straw man”. In your words, (dying laughing).
You should know as well as I do that managing is a “what have you done for me lately” position. Great, he helped the team make the postseason twice.
This year he has seemed bored and uninterested most of the time. I disagree with your opinion, but you are welcome to express it here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So now I'm a geek? What's with the personal attacks?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's end this right here.
Apologies for that. I expressed an opinion about Lou Piniella and you called it “bashing” him, which it was not.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
"Stat Geek" is offensive?
Hell call me a geek, they make money and smart guys get the chicks
The sun will shine in '69
as a long time geek
let me just say that I agree. Bow-chikka-WOW-WOW!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
When did this board get overrun with people getting their feelings hurt?
GAWD.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Geek is a compliment, it implies intelligence and education.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Yes those WS rings he got the Cubs should speak for him!
How did he get?
Well he did at least win a playoff series right?
I’m not sure you want to use his entire career here as the measuring stick for success.
The sun will shine in '69
he took the Cubs
to two back-to-back Division titles. A feat which had not been accomplished for over 100 years.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Even more
He instilled a winning attitude. They went the next step, to expecting to have a winning season, and doing something about it – having some pride.
The old attitude was to give up on a season pretty early, because these were the Cubs.
If you don’t recognize progress unless the championship has been landed, then you won’t build a road to get there.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
No not wrong. You can have them.
But others can have opinions too and their opinion could be that your opinion shouldn’t be respected. Doesn’t means it’s wrong, it mean’s they think it’s a bad opinion.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that a Yogi Berra quote?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Arguing shows the manager has some balls
which apparently Lou has had his cut off. He’s no longer a bull, he’s a steer.
Just win the next game...!
Ask Lou
how is has done this year. I am sure he would be honest and said he has not done well at all.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
No.....it would be....
“Look, what do you want me to say?”
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be the first to admit Lou hasn't been dealt the greatest hand this season.
What with injuries and down years by some key veterans. But even at full strength, he’s made some questionable personnel moves as well as in-game decisions.
It’s not the same Lou of the last 2 seasons. I don’t have a clue why.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And that is
ultimately what Lou should be judged on for future years. I am not one to judge him on isolated incidents. However, all too often his decisions have not made good baseball sense. Yes, he did a fine job in the past. But he seems to have lost his passion and sense of urgency.
I’d enjoy seeing either Trammel or Brenley run the team next year. Ultimately Ricketts will have to decide how quickly he wants to put his stamp on things. Since the payroll fairly well defines next year’s squad, his initial opportunity to make this a Ricketts club is through management changes and organizational improvements. It says “this is my team” without breaking payroll limitations. The appropriate change starts at the top by changing the President and allowing him to get a new GM who is then allowed to choose a new manager. But only Ricketts knows what his sense of ownership entails.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
I wonder if
this is one of the guys who said Lou needed to flip out back in June to light a fire under his team.
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It would be nice to have a manager
who looked like he wanted to be there. Also one that did not make line-ups according to their salary.
Which lineup would be the one that would make this team better than the Cardinals this year?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
One with Fox in it for one.
Soriano should not play. If he is hurt, he should be on the DL. If he isn’t, he just sucks and does not deserve playing time.
But the front office did quite a bit of damage on their own.
Its been rehashed enough, but the Cubs were made worse and the Cards GM has made them better.
by TJ11 on Aug 27, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting. You think Jake Fox playing every day would make the Cubs better than the Cardinals.
What does Lou have to do to “look like he wanted to be there?” He is often times seen pacing the dugout and yelling at his assistants. He is usually up at the railing watching the game as well. You don’t know what Lou is thinking or feeling by looking at him and neither do I.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Now, I agree with you about Fox.
Jake Fox is not the future of this team nor would it help them win more games if he played in place of Soriano.
So “pacing the dugout” and “yelling at his assistants” is what could fire up his team?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I would agree...
except for the fact that Fox is hitting baseballs better than Soriano right now.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
For the rest of this season, you really think Soriano would put up better numbers than Fox
if somehow they would have equal opportunities?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You seem to fail to understand what I said.
The other commenter said that Lou needs to look like he wants to be there. I pointed out that often times he is very animated in the dugout. Wouldn’t that fit his definition of “looking like he wants to be there?” He could sit there like a post and it wouldn’t change my opinion of him as a Manager. Lou knows how to do his job and acting like a crazed fool doesn’t prove he’s doing his job better.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Today was a time to be animated
He blew it pure and simple. Think I’ll just call him Dusty II.
Just win the next game...!
You know how his players react when he gets animated? They laugh.
The players admit that they think it’s funny when Lou starts throwing a temper tantrum on the field. They literally Laugh Out Loud. Now you are welcome to think Lou getting animated will make his players better at baseball but they think it’s a joke.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Because I've heard them say it in televised and radio interviews. I've heard Derrek Lee and Theriot both laugh about Lou's on field antics.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they say different things in private.
You don’t know and neither do I. I just felt the manager should have been out there today. You don’t. That’s your right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You don't have to believe me but I have heard them say this publicly in interviews. I'm not talking about what they say behind closed doors just to clarify.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
people say a lot of things to the media
not all of its true
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Take Milton Bradley for example...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, you can believe it fires them up and makes them better at baseball even though they say it is funny to them.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
im not saying i think it fires them up
im just saying its extremely stupid to believe everything people say
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did I say or even imply that I believed everything people say?
This is ridiculous. Were you trying to stick up for Al? Was that your point? I’m sure he can do just fine for himself.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, you can believe it fires them up and makes them better at baseball even though they say it is funny to them.
i guess im reading that in a completely different way
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see the words, "I believe everything people say."
Since what they say contradicts what you want to believe you then change the argument, I find that extremely stupid. (To use your words.) You don’t have to believe them but they said it, that’s my only point.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Since what they say contradicts what you want to believe you then change the argument
im not saying i think it fires them up
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So, you're not saying it fires them up but you also don't want to believe them when they say it's funny?
I guess you are going to dispute whatever I say even if you don’t disagree with me? As I said before I don’t think Al needs you to jump in and defend his point.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the real point though.
The best manager is worth 1 win. Maybe one at best. The best get payed the value of a 1 win player, that’s what front offices think about them. At this point Lou doing something might make you feel better, but it won’t change what’s happening this season.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT LOU DOESN'T HAVE THE FIRE AND THE PASSION!!!!! HE SUCZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I KNWZZ!!
HE CANZT HAZ PAZZZIONZZ!!!!
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Having experienced
a lifetime of watching the Cubs play, that urban legend does not even come close to the truth. Compare LaRussa with Dusty or 2009 Lou and tell me you don’t want a redo.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
And if that's true, that's good.
Laughter loosens you up.
People whose sphincters are clenched tight enough to crush diamonds don’t laugh. Case in point: did you see a lot of laughing going on in the dugout in last year’s playoffs? I know I didn’t.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
So that is a good thing?
Having players laugh and disrepect their manager?
I would say time to get a new Manager.
The sun will shine in '69
Fox
Maybe, he’s the real deal. I’ve used to think of him as a AAAA player. I don’t think he’ll be an all-star, but he doesn’t need to be that good to be an improvement over what most of the Cubs have done this season.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I agree with Al
Fox = Shane Spencer
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Right now...Shane Spence would be better hitting 6th for us.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe *right now*, with Soriano refusing to admit that he's injured
But in the long run, not so much
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
The big difference
is Jake Fox at least acts like he wants to play…. too many of our players act like they want to be somewhere else or looking forward to the offseason……… which will come too soon this year….
"What we have here is a failure to communicate" - Strother Martin as "Captain"
There is enough criticism to go around without resorting to randomly questioning the player's motivation.
Mainly this year is just awful luck. The true talent level of this team is about a 91 win team. That might be good enough for the wild card if things went just normally. If they played above their heads they would have won the division.
Soto’s under performance/ injury, Soriano’s under performance/injury, Zambrano’s injury, Lilly’s injury, Dempster’s injury, Ramirez’s injury.
Injuries are one of the causes this year, but I think it’s important to understand randomness is one of the hallmarks of baseball. A ball, after it’s hit, has lots of luck involved in where it falls. This the ultimate sport of probability and you know what shit happens, that’s how this year can be summed up. Hendry made the right moves with the information he had at the time. In hindsight, they were the wrong moves.
No point getting this upset over it.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno. Our pythag has us as pretty crappy. We’re “underperforming” by about a sixth of a game, but that’s nothing.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That's one kind of luck.
Injuries/ under performance based on pre-season projections is another.
So while the team they have fielded in terms of this season aren’t under performing, compared to what each player would do over the course of a normal season, factoring in aging, they are way, way under.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
People are having bad seasons compared to their norms.
If they were having career average seasons, the Cubs would be in this.
This is mainly due to randomness in baseball.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Or....
the 2008 Cubs had career years. Which is the case.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
In 2008... not all of them
Dempster probably did. DeRosa did. Fontenot almost certainly did. Soto – we’ll see.
But Aramis had a slight down year. DLee had a definite down year. Dome had a horrid down half-year. Z had a down year.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
I've discussed this time and time again, so I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time rehashing myself:
But, in 2008, out of our top 10 most regular starters (most PAs), 7 / 10 had OPS+ of 110 or greater. SEVEN! And the other three were in the 90s.
And in 2008, our of our top 14 most regular pitchers (most IPs), 12 / 14 had ERA+ of 100 or greater, and 6 of those had ERA+ greater than 120!
So yes, the vast vast vast majority of our team had what I would define as career years. Years that either were the best they’ve ever had (thus far), or years that were very very very good.
Dan
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2008.shtml
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Compare:
In 2009, we have 3 / 10 starters with OPS+ 110 and 5 below 90, some really really below 90. Fox doesn’t really have enough PAs to qualify for my fake analysis.
Pitching isn’t the point I was trying to make here, but for shits-n-giggles, in 2009, we have 9 / 12 pitchers with ERA+ 100.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
The question, though, is not whether the team was good last year.
The question is whether it was better than you could reasonably expect.
And so, DLee’s OPS+ was the lowest it had been since he was 23. Aramis’ OPS+ was above his career average, but below both his 2007 and 2009.
So, yes, a lot of players had very good years, but that’s because we have a lot of good players.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
We're not getting any younger, not at all.
Even the guys on the brink are well into their later 20s. There’s a great article out there by either James or FanGraphs or BP about players’ peak age, but I can’t remember who wrote it at the moment. My point being that we are NOT going to see 2008 production again, not from these players. Not even close.
The window’s closed.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Or....
the 2008 Cubs had career years. Which is the case.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Exactly
We were overperforming last year and underperforming this one. That would suggest next year should be somewhere in the middle and reqire gentle nudging, not wholesale changes.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
No, it isn't the case.
Buzz’s opinion on career averages have to do with career averages. By career averages, he’s implying that averages they have had since they’ve been in the major leagues. By major leagues, I’m implying the MLB. I’m just making sure I’m clear.
It’s fair to say, especially with the baseball players at the end of their 20s, to their early-to-mid 30s, that they will stay within their averages. This is without considering decline in some areas, which are projected in projections.
So in short, Buzz’s
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for confirming an opinion.
I’m in the process of changing Wikipedia to reflect your fact.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Oh dude, you don't need to change Wikipedia
You just need to change your stance to make it right
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
o.0
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano...
how can you say that? How can you say this team wouldn’t win more games with Soriano playing as bad as he has this year sitting on the bench whether it’s Jake Fox or Sam Fuld out in left field. How can you possibly argue that point? Enough to catch the Cardinals? Not by itself, but the Cubs would win more games just on that change alone.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 27, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
for what it's worth
Fox went 0-4 in the game he played this series.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee, that makes me feel better.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
just saying
perceptions can be clouded.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fox isn't a very good player.
He’s a cub fan hero.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
How many hits does Soriano have in his last 10 games compared to Jake Fox?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously Jake Fox is the better player then.
I understand now.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Over the last 10 games? Yes.
Over the last 10 years? NO.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Since a 10 game sample means nothing,
your point is pretty irrelevant
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
How many of those games would Fox have helped us win?
How many games out of first were we 10 games ago?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
alright, it's pretty damn easy to say Fox has had a much better season
over 100 games a better sample size. We’re talking about who to play in order to win games. Can you honestly, with a straight face, say Soriano is the better choice?
From the looks of things
It seems debatable
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Maybe not
but Fox is certainly having the better success right now.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
No one seems to care about "right now".
Stats say to keep letting Sori fail play.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
he has one more hit in the series. Dunno about the last 10 games.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
he also recently went 4-4
when was the last time Soriano did that?
I’ll save you the trouble of looking it up. September 6th, 2008
Soriano has had two games this year where he’s had three hits. Fox has had three. Four if you count the four hit game.
Jake Fox may not be the future of the Cubs, but people who claim he shouldn’t be playing instead of Soriano right now absolutely confound me. They’re basing it on nothing other than some strange belief, that despite Soriano having a horrendous season, he’ll magically turn it around with a month to play.
Soriano
has an extensive record of slumping then streaking.
Now, all this information about his knee, and having tendonitis since MAY; that shows that the whole situation has been very poorly handled, if it’s true.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Won't make them better than the Cardinals
but it will make them better than the Cubs.
Just win the next game...!
it would be nice to have players that want to be there
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
And it would be a nice to have a team that shows up every day ready to play
That’s what Championship teams do. They never give up an out. They demoralize teams like the Nationals. What the hell happened between the Cubs’ four game sweep in Washington and now?? Seriously, it’s so hard to watch them going through the motions.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Ryan Theriot, who used to be so good at hitting the other way last year, could have tied the game with one of those flares to right that he used to hit with regularity. Instead, he grounded to third.
those were better times..
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
but hey
atleast he hit 7 sofar meaningless home runs!
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not fair either though.
Him going the other way could still have resulted in outs. It might be a more successful strategy, but it wouldn’t have gaurenteed a difference. His slight increase in slugging is also nice this year though.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
fuld was at second
he would have been at third or scored on a hit to RF
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the point is
Theriot for the last couple of months is trying to drive the ball, at least it appears. His game is right and right center.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Lou wanted more home runs/power from him
Remember that….rright b4 his torried HR streak??
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
I'd be much happier if he didn't blow two double plays in the same inning
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
He's an above average SS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
not disagreeing with you there
Just had a crappy game today
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
He is a pretty good SS
As b said. Just had a bad game. But not blowing those DP balls would have been nice.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a pretty good SS
wut?
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
What he is.
It’s an objective fact. He’s a good shortstop
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I want a GREAT sshortstop
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
a great shortstop that can move to his left
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
um, no
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
If your saying he's not a good shorstop, then your wrong.
This is not an opinion this is a statement of fact. Subjectively, I used to think he was a crappy SS to, but he’s not.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3811&position=SS#fielding
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I make up fangraphs or something?
No my Brilliant satire ended a while ago when this Bradley junk started.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Riot
went 1-13 this series.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
and he saw maybe 30 pitches the whole series
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
30 is being generous
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I truly don't understand
why he’s doing that. Go with the hot hands if we’re still fighting. If we’re out of it, showcase younger players, either to see where they might fit for us next year or as possible trade pieces.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, remember....those games we play after the regular season that Milton is supposed to help us win.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Guilty!
I am guilty of looking towards game #163. I admit it, it’s my fault…!
Just win the next game...!
I've said it before and I'll say it again
he only needed 100 games to start warming up, get off his back. I mean all Number 2 hitters in the league make 30 million, right?
The sun will shine in '69
Playoffs? Playoffs??!!
Ah, the Bills coach rant (forgot his name right now).
Just win the next game...!
Jim Mora
I’m pretty sure he was the Colts coach
Much better...
… to link to the whole version than the piddly part that made the beer commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM
Underrated quote: “In my opinion, that sucked.”
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How 'bout former Bills coach
is that right? Yikes…now I know I don’t follow football much.
Just win the next game...!
Marv Levy
He could at least get the Bills to the Super Bowl. Jim Mora, Sr. was never able to get a team to the Super Bowl.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
It's over Johnny!
Math aside, the Cubs are going nowhere. Who cares if Lou argues the call. This team is dead – lifeless. The season has gotten so bad I’ve started wondering if Kevin Gregg and Sean Marshall are the same person just with and without glasses. It could explain why both their (his) arm(s) suck so bad right now. No Superman analogy however, because, well they are terrible.
Gregg pitched a 1-2-3 inning today.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
whut?
you know that the manager decides who pitches and who doesn’t, right?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
WHOOSH
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be some parade!
Those guys have some great rides. Let’s wait till Reed can press the gas pedal.
actually
he pitched two, didn’t he?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What a sorry-ass excuse for a team
I saw the replay. What an awful call.
There was a large group of folks from my company going to the game, luckily I stayed at work.
The stands look like late-2006 all over again. Granted the rain threat figured in but this series was far from sold out.
I’m going Saturday, hopefully the outcome will be different.
Just win the next game...!
Cubs manager Piniella: ‘Blame me’
Yes we do!
"What we have here is a failure to communicate" - Strother Martin as "Captain"
what's funny is later on in that article, he blames about five other factors
so when he says “blame me” what he’s really saying is “I’M A VICTIM OF MEAN PEOPLE!”
Just an embarrassment.
For the most part the season rides on winning series, as mentioned by Cub players, and when the season is at its most important juncture they can’t even beat the Nats.
Good point Al about Lou. Whether you can over turn the call or not ( which won’t happen), show some life Lou, get in the umps face, take one for the team.
I would love to entertain the idea of trying to trade Theriot in the offseason. Could you please take a pitch once in awhile as a leadoff hitter. This is where Lou has failed. Dome never should of left the leadoff spot.
My opinion, when the Phils spanked the Cubs in Wrigley, this team doubted itself from that point on.
I would love to have Harden back, but who knows, with so many bad contracts, I can’t see the Cubs taking a gamble on him. They sure in the hell took a gamble with Dempster and Bradley, but they won’t with Harden.
Just a shame of Team.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
I think the Cubs organization is thinking about 2010 right now.
I think they are planning the offseason as we speak. They are all sitting around a round table playing poker with cigars in their mouths discussing about how to fix this team for next year. I think this explains why Lou isn’t firery, they are thinking about next year instead of the remaining year.
I hope so
I hope that’s why guys are on the waiver wire. It will be interesting to see what is offered for Harden
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Is the proper protocol
when a team claims someone as pathetic as Heilman to ask for a player in exchange? And then when they don’t offer one, you tell them to take him?
Or does asking for a player deny you the right to dropkick the baggage away?
they could ask for a PTBNL....
…and then conveniently ask for roster filler in low A ball in the spring.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
2009
Will be just another season where we can note that we were in first place on a certain date late in the season only to finish pathetically. It’s not just Lou who lacks energy…. It’s really the whole team. They can make the nice pregame quotes (as noted in the pregame thread) but that’s not translating to performance.
by cubbiefanTN on Aug 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Like 1977 and 2001
I hope the Cubs finish over .500 in 2009.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That's our WS right there...to finish above .500.
They should get a small parade or something for that. Maybe they can all just drive in their cars one time around Wrigley after the last game and throw candy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
82-80
I don’t know if the Cubs are going to get to the 82 victory mark this season.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
why not
they had a city wide RALLY when they simply made the gorram playoffs.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
The rally is mandated by MLB and every playoff city has one. It was not unique to the Cubs.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
meh
that doesn’t negate the lameness.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
I agree, I think it's beyond lame.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Now on THIS you and I are in complete agreement.
I have never gone to any such event, nor would I.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It seems to be a meathead/bandwagon gathering
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to clarify I'm talking about the parade.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
and you make another regretful, insulting comment
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
How about you contribute something that isn't insulting?
Sad life —> yours
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What a sad life indeed I must lead.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You have no idea. :-)
That phrase doesn’t get used enough.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Shiney!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Browncoats?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
damn straight.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
:)
I love that show too (and especially the ladies of that show). :) sigh
I keeping hoping for the news that they’ve decided to do another season and/or movie.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
uh huh
the world needs more firefly don’t you think?
and with that… i’ll be in my bunk.
night, all.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Excellent
Think I’ll watch an episode or two now
by Southside Steve on Aug 27, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not nearly enough Firefly
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
the outfield & jim hendry
I think they should put the starting outfield on waivers, maybe they will get lucky and have them picked up. then they can get some real players who can hit & field. fire the GM who took apart a 97 win team
by wccub on Aug 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
almost everyone on the team is on waivers
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that's sound management there.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
most veterans get placed on waivers after the deadline
you only hear about it when a claim is filed though.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/22/998532/time-to-dfa-cries-of-dfa-and
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And fire the fan
who misuses the phrase “took apart.”
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 27, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anybody think the plug is going to be pulled on Soriano soon,
The season is pretty much over and if he is hurt why not start the healing process sooner?
No. It won't be pulled because Lou won't "embarrass" a veteran and that's what he believes that will accomplish.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying if he is hurt......
He keeps bringing up his knee…Is he hurt or not? Its time to see what Fuld or Fox can do everyday. They may not be the answer next year but start seeing what we have at least and don’t waste the rest of the season for nothing.
the suntimes said he has tendinitis and has been playing with it since about may
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that I think he's hurt.
If he is, shut him down. Let Fox or whoever play. If not try to fix his swing against ML pitching.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If my understanding is correct from what I read on BCB
Soriano wants to play
Soriano refuses to on the DL, he must approve it or he can file a grievance with the union
Soriano is afraid of surgery
Lou believes the Cubs have a better shot with an injured Soriano in the line-up
To answer your question, yes, he should be pulled to have surgery or at to give adequate time to heal properly.
Don't let anyone steal your Joy
he has to approve a DL stint?
Is that true? I’ve never heard of that, although I will be the first to admit that my knowledge is lacking in that area.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I may not have wored it correctly,
but, yes, he has to OK a DL stint. Otherwise, he can claim the team in preventing him from achieving bonuses based in playing time. I can’t find the proper words, maybe someone can help me out.
Don't let anyone steal your Joy
To some extent, it is true...
Basically, a player cannot be placed on the DL unless he has an injury that will prevent him from playing for 15 days (e.g., a broken leg) or would jeopardize his safety or career — or would prevent him from playing at a ML level — if not treated with rest and rehab which would last at least 15 days (e.g., tendonitis in the throwing shoulder). The team physician must sign the medical report (which is usually prepared by the head athletic trainer), and the move must be approved by MLB’s medical chief. Furthermore, the report must be re-filed every 15 days to report any progress or rehab that is taking place — even for an obviously long-term DL stint like TJ surgery.
If a player has an injury for which rest or surgery is the best course of action (e.g., bone chips in the elbow) but which doesn’t prevent the player from playing at a reasonable level, the player can effectively block a DL placement by threatening to file a grievance or complaining about a DL rules violation to the MLB medical chief.
So…
Sori does effectively have to approve a DL stint if the only diagnosis is tendonitis. Last year when he broke his hand, he had no choice since the Cubs MD had to forward the X-rays to the Medical Chief anyway.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Huh
Interesting. It makes the whole phantom injury thing to allow for roster moves that much more interesting to me. A handshake for the player, wink and a nod to the union, and suddenly a guy strained a calf (or whatever) so someone gets called up or reactivated.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Some guys are good soldiers...
Scott Eyre last season knew that his mechanics were off, so he signed off on a groin strain so he could work on his mechanics (and make some rehab appearances) without hurting the team. It got ugly, however, when he wasn’t re-activated after the 15 days were up. Lou dragged it out (because he didn’t really want him back) until Eyre threatened to file a grievance. He was activated but not really used by Lou, then DFA’d.
This season, Kelly Johnson’s swing was totally out of whack and he lost his job to Martín Prado. He knew he needed ABs, so he and the team decided that he had “tendonitis in the wrist”. A few days of rest, a few days in the cage, and he headed off on a minor league rehab assignment. That way he could fix his swing, not hurt the team, and get ML salary and per diem for playing in minor league games. He still might be a non-tender candidate, but the Braves are more likely to offer him another contract for being a good soldier.
4A guys like Sam Fuld and Koyie Hill tend to be very good soldiers because they know that their attitude toward the team will have a lot to do with next year’s contract.
Sori has 136 million reasons to refuse to be a “good soldier”.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Call his bluff
Tell him to get it fixed now so he’ll be available next year Day 1. if he chooses to file a grievance, imagine how he’d appear to the fans.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
are such things public
perhaps it’s already happened.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If there is evidence that he needs surgery
(such as bone chips showing up on an MRI), the Cubs can effectively recommend shutting down early for surgery — but they can’t force Sori to have the surgery, either during or after the season. (That’s really an OSHA reg that MLB has to obey. Your boss can’t force you to have LASIK so you don’t need glasses either.) If Sori chooses to not have surgery and just keep playing, there’s nothing the Cubs can do.
The carrot for the player is that they are using the season for their surgery and immediate rehab, so they can enjoy the off-season more.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
I know they can't force surgery
I said they should shut him down and get it fixed. The doctors and trainers and Soriano can decide the best method to repair him. All I suggested is that they do it now and not wait until offseason. I never understood the players who waited most offseason and had surgery just as the preseason was beginning.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
After Sept. 1, it gets easier
(assuming that Lou has any balls)
Lou can just stop writing his name on the lineup card. The “penalty” for carrying a player on the roster who can’t play is effectively eliminated by the expanded roster. Perhaps if Lou sits down with Sori and explains that he won’t be writing his name on the lineup card anymore, Sori will opt for surgery if it is recommended.
Of course, the downside is that Lou has anointed him as a team leader, and runs the risk of having Sori turn the clubhouse against him.
BTW, I agree with you that sooner would be better than later. However, Sori’s thinking might be that he doesn’t want to “concede” anything until the Cubs are officially eliminated — a stance which would show that he is becoming a true leader. I certainly cannot knock him if that is his reason.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
What I'd like to see is a face saving gesture
Lou saying that Sori is going to sit / work on getting healthy / whatever, and then praise him for trying to play though pain, gutting it out trying to help the team. Doesn’t matter if it’s true, it makes Sori look like he was trying
Behind closed doors, tell him he’s done for the year, and start treatment now, even if all the doctors can do is tell him to rest.
I just don’t see Lou pulling the plug like that.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm all for
avoiding a confrontation. What you suggest seems reasonable to me. What I don’t know is if Soriano will act rprudently. We can hope.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
His injury doesn't seem to be affecting his abilty to walk to the batters box and back to the dugout...
so I guess he’ll just keep starting games.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Surgery for tendinitis?
What? Who gets surgery for tendinitis?
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
well, they've attempted to get an MRI to see if the damage is more severe,
but for some reason they decided not to go through with it. The Soriano situation is quite FUBAR
the MRI
is now scheduled for the 10th of September. Which makes no sense to me, he should be getting the MRI right now. He could seriously be screwing up his knee.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
not to mention
bad knee + wet grass is really not cool.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Soriano requires at least 2 weeks notice of any MRI he is to undergo.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
t.larussa
LaRussa & Duncan are free agents at the end of the year……well later for those 2 they will be in the fall classic this year
They'll be in the postseason.
As we well know, playing well in August does not guarantee you October success.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What does playing like crap in August guarantee us?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Gumbo
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
mmmmm....a tasty reward!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
More interest in football
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No post-season disappointment this year?
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Aug 27, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nine more days to kickoff at kinnick!
"What we have here is a failure to communicate" - Strother Martin as "Captain"
Go Hawks!!!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
wins
the iowa hawkeyes have won more post season games in the last 6yrs than the cubs have won in the last 60yrs
thank you Mr Random
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
chips
ive eaten more potatos chips in the last 24 hours than you have
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I've drank moar kool-aid than you in the last 10 min.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
THEN YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF HERE
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I, for one, appreciate this quote.
Thank you.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are an Iowa Hawkeye, there IS only one sport.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
(AKA our basketball team sucks.)
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Corn Hole?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
ping-pong!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Many of my Iowan friends
still speak of the 1987 NCAA tourney with great regret.
“17 points up on UNLV at halftime…” they say, as they shake their heads.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
players
maybe its time the cubs took lessons from the twins,rays,and marlins. build within and stop trading young talent for has beens
who is this "young talent" of which you speak?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
This is some of the best materials I've seen on BCB in months.
This guy is great.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Position player/ starting pitching wise almost nothing.
Ricky Nolasco is the only even decent prospect the Cubs have traded that has amounted to anything.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Dontrelle Willis
He had a few good seasons before tanking.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That's true
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, that's 2 players.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
2 pitchers to be exact.
Pitchers on average aren’t worth as much individually as hitters. Position players can contribute significantly both offensively and defensively and play everyday. So while they gave up pitchers, all of the position players they have given up have been garbage or useless.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
noooooooooooo
choi, bobby hill, dey wuz da bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/SARCASM
lol
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
as someone said below....
we gave up never were for good players….
at least we got Lee for Choi and Ramirez for Hill and Hernandez
Garland?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I have this card.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
PV?!?!?
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon Garland was never anything more than a league average pitcher.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Overhyped completely
Everyone looks at wins, which he has a lot of, but his FIP and ERA never were impressive. He’s a right handed Sean Marshall. In fact, he’s worse than Marshall.
Career 4.74 FIP.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, but...
… his perceived trade value was WAY higher than “Matt Karchner”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Absolutely.
At his best he was an average pitcher in the AL he might have been a slightly above average (read Sean Marshall or maybe even Randy Wells). An average to above average starting pitcher is fine and would have been sure useful in the late 90s.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Gallagher and Murton
got us Harden. Who cares what they do after we trade them?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems like a good idea to look back
to see if your scout’s forecast for those guys played out the way you expected.
I wished those guys luck, but they have not gone on to bigger and better things, and have proved that they were expendable.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
What young talent have the Cubs traded for has beens? Are DLee and Aramis has beens?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
no. those two have been among the league best. I live in O.C. CA. now and JP has nor looked too bad this year, but he has no arm
The Cubs have used marginal minor leaguers to acquire DLee, Aramis and Harden.
They aren’t trading young talent for has beens. They’ve traded never will be’s for good players.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The jury may still be out on some of these but
Ceda for Gregg
Pie for Williamson and Olson
Aardsma for Cotts
Sold Hamilton after selecting him in Rule 5 Draft
Nolasco and Pinto for Pierre
Juan Cruz for Andy Pratt
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
Are we going to start
this bogus “why did the Cubs get rid of Hamilton” crap again?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are offended
by a factual report, you may need to change diuretics.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
He's right.
Josh Hamilton was never, ever going to be a Cub. Ever. To put that in a list of failed deals is misrepresenting facts.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The fact is
that we chose to pass on him. We could have chosen to select him for ourselves. We felt his past behavior meant he was irredeemable. Obviously, that was a wrong decision.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
and obviously you have a crystal ball and/or a palantir
and you can tell that if the Cubs had indeed held onto Hamilton, he would have duplicated his path to personal redemption and professional recovery, become a very prolific slugger last year (when we didn’t need him) and gotten hurt a big chunk of this year (when we could have used him).
While you’re still peeking under the covers there, can you tell me what the MegaMillions winning numbers will be for tonight? I promise to buy out Miles contract if I’m the sole winner. Thanks.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If you need to be childish
with your responses, so be it. Obviously I have made no claim to be able to see the future. But you seem to find it impossible to see accept reality. Hamilton would have been a wise choice. You see that’s the operative word….choice. The Cubs had a choice and their choice was wrong. Are you suggesting it was a good decision? Perhaps you are suggesting the choice of Miles was wise. Unlike you. I am willing to accept the fact that Hendry made both good decisions and bad ones. The failure to choose Hamilton was bad. I know you want to make excuses. So be it.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
sigh
we NEVER had a chance at Hamilton. We did not sell him. We had a pre-existing deal.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
lol...
yeah, ok. Because Marshall, Wells, Soto, Marmol, Fuld, Fox, Riot… they don’t count, you see…
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Those said teams SHOULD be the Cubs farm system...
Thjey need a good GM/front office that can take advantage of Cubs “major market” advantages and exploit the …..
And scouts that acctually …
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
and if you've been a cub fan for more than 10 mintues
you know that “anything” usually ends badly
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Even crazy stuff...
like Soto returning to his 2008 form, and Z throwing another no hitter in Sept., and Milton breaking Sosa’s team record for most HR’s hit in one month.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If by "anything"
you mean that the Cubs end up in a battle for 4th or 5th place, then you’re probably right.
Then again, I've pretty much stopped caring.
I mean, the players on this team don’t seem to give a shit, so why should I? Why should any of us?
you keep saying this
Now prove it.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Bar-B-Q potato chips
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
would you rather have pie or sherbet tonight
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
...
lind
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
reply button is your friend, wccub
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
As is spellcheck, and all punctuation.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was hoping "Fukendome" was spelled wrong and not a derogatory comment...
….but who knows.
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you see the shiny blue button
that says reply? using it is really easy and wildly recommended
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
you should rent some better porn then.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I make my own. It's chaper and more fun.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
there's some weird stuff out there in pornland.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 27, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's either that, or hehas more "chaps"
I should drive up to Portland!
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
That reminds me...
you still haven’t returned “Bag Taggers Vol.3”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
he lent it to me
it was uh.. for a friend…
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, I don't care which one of you has it...
I just need it back.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a good thing I put subtitles on that one then.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, damn.
And I went to bed, Al, thinking the game wasn’t going to get played. Good thing I missed it then, but there’s been a lot of close calls not being argued by Managers these days. Bob Geren, Bruce Bochy, Bud Black: all have sat on the bench when they should’ve run out onto the field.
FYI, both umps from last’s night Rays v. Jays matchup are doing fine.
If Lou goes, maybe we can attract Ron Washington?
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
AND WE LET 'EM OFF THE HOOK
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
"Curiously out of sync"?
It get’s curiouser and curiouser
ALice in wonderland.
what a joke.
WOXY.com - The Future of Rock and Roll
The two most important things
about (home) games from here out are
1. They get played.
2. There is one other thing, but I don’t want to be blamed for writing it.
Our draft pick slot is looking better, and the one thing we’ve done well the last 24 months is draft well in June.
Regarding Harden and compensatory picks. There is a(nother) way we could miss out on picks for him. As with the Brewers and CC last season, we could offer arbitration, but he could go to a team that signs a better ranked free agent in the offseason. The Yankees picks went for Teixiera’s old team, not CC’s. That having been said, if it isn’t a solid player offered for Harden, roll the dice with arbitration.
This isn't a defeat just a set back.
Look, there is OVER a month of baseball left. There is so much negative energy in here. Just think about the schedual. The Cubs have 3 games against the Cards. If all goes well, The Cubs would have gained a couple of games by then. Lets say The Cubs are 6 games back by then; with a sweep, that puts them 3 games back. This team has the potential to win the division.
dood
I wish I had what you’re smoking. We can’t win a series against the Nats, or Padres. But we’re going to sweep the Cardinals. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
The Nationals
swept the Yankees. Stranger things have happened. Baseball is a WEIRD game.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the nationals did not sweep the yankees
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
they didn't?
Al talks about it frequently.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
2 of 3
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
June 16, 17, 18
They lost the first game and won the last 2.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The only teams the Nats have swept this year are the Marlins (2 games) and the Diamondbacks (3)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And we had the perfect chance...
…to pick up a game on the Redbirds. Or, did nobody notice that the Cards lost?
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
We only care about the White Sox losing here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cards only lose when the Cubs lose
That’s how it works. Nothing to see here.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
the cubs have never won on a day the cards lost this month
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody did, nor should they, notice.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't do a dual Cubs-lose-recap and an "Inglorious Basterds" movie review, can you, Al?
I think they would go together perfectly.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I could, I guess.
But I haven’t seen the movie.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Problem is that the Inglorious Basterds use baseball bats to hit things definitively and make a statement.
The Cubs do not.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Turn it green.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And it was only...
…actually entertaining in chunks, which is kinda like the Cubs.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
Oh Snap!
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the Fire?
I agree pretty much with everything that has been said about the team thus far. They truly haven’t come together as a unit and I blame the management as well as the players for that. Guys like Baker, Fox,Fuld,Hill hell even Riot and Fontenot you can tell they have a passion for this game. But I think everyone else has given up. Guys like Dempster and Big Z wanna win too but somethings up and we probably won’t figure out what until after the season. Sucks seeing your team come to something like this when we live and die with these guys. Just finish with some FIRE is all I ask now. Play like you did before all the money B.S.
" The reason I am here, they tell me, is that I played the game a certain way, that I played the game the way it was supposed to be played."- Ryne Sandburg's Hall of Fame speech
by Sandburg23 on Aug 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Oh, right.
I’d do that. But the Marlins wouldn’t.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think they would do that.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
My opinion only
he will be gone after this season.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see.
I think the middle-IF is far more important than the OF at the moment.
And I think Abreu is only on a 1-year deal with Brooklyn.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
I agree
I just think it’s time to put a player in RF and stick with him. Hermida is young and may develop into a pretty good player.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He is young.
In my idealized world, the OF would currently be: Soriano (because we have to), Carlos Gonzalez (A’s traded ’im to the Rocks; bad move there), Dome.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
it makes me mad having to believe that
Soriano is our “long term solution” to left field. But yeah, Gonzalez looks like a up and coming player.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But we have to think he’s going to come around; otherwise, it’s unlikely he’ll ever really sit based on the guaranteed money he’s got coming to him.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
I just looked it up...
…and Hanley has a six-year extension (through 2014) valued at $70-million. If the Fish were ever interested in dumping payroll (or even looking for diff. options), that’s a contract I would consider picking up.
He could be a prototypical leadoff guy despite the fact that his SBs are down by about half since ’07. He could probably do much better with a better line-up behind him.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
haha i think every team would think about picking him up
it would take an absolute TON though.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why we have to get in...
…while we have an “in”. Dig?
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
It would take like Vitters, Harden, Jackson, Brett Jackson, DJ, and they still wouldn't accept
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
HARDEN 4 HANLEY
GET IT DON EJIM
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
hanley is the new lind
lind was the new peavy
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Your kidding right? I assume you are, but in case you aren't.
Hermida is not worth Harden.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7208&position=OF#value
0.7 Wins for Hermida (see 4th outfielder)
3.3 Wins over his career
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1772&position=P#value
1.6 Wins for Harden (not nearly as good as a normal year for harden)
and 17.2 over his career
and he’s only 28.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy...stats to the rescue.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What should be to the rescue, then? Photoshopped images?
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Good baseball players.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
have you watched our lineup this year?
the opposite of most of them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
not really, but
angelic? nice? (s)crappy? able to hit field and pitch? which version of good do ya want…. be more descriptive :P
OK, how about players that are able to have ABs in which one of the following will happen with some degree of consistency:
a) they get on base
b) they drive in a run
c) they move a runner into scoring position
Lee, Ramirez, Bradley and Dome are the only players on the rosters that have done this…to a somewhat lesser extent Theriot.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
unpossible!!!!!
next thing you’ll demand is the ‘27 yankees lineup, or the ’29/’30 cubs lineup.
Those guys are all dead....
and white…are you a racist?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I've already weighed in on how I feel about Eskimos.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yo mamma...
…is good. Ma, but do we need emoticons. A knee slapper here would be great.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
If only there was a way to measure such players
Maybe into words that are both impersonal and evenhanded in manner, devoid of any type of subjectivity. Better yet, numbers that can be interpreted and analyzed.
Statistics, if you will.
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait they exist?
What a sad life I have lead to this point. This is truly a revolutionary and inspirational moment in my life! =P
lol
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'know...
…for somebody who’s claimed ‘moneyball’ to be overrated, and ‘sabermetrics’ to be on its way out, you sure do run to it an awfully lot.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
Stats are only wrong
when Buzz disagrees with them.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
lol
Satire people, satire
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a big SABR person in reality
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
ummmm
the pr0n section was up higher……
ya know, where the other posters stole yours?
:P
Looks up from magazine
what? ME?!?!!????!
NEVER
/sarcasm
do you actually understand what satire is?
just saying crap you don’t believe isn’t satire. I’ll give you credit, you apparently work pretty hard to research opinions you don’t even hold. All in the name of “satire”
Satire is pointing the stupidity or ridiculousness, in an over the top way, of a given thing or view point
by displaying it in an absurd fashion to expose the utter stupidity and asininity of said view point/thing.
If absurd claims weren’t about Bradley and statistics weren’t satire I don’t know what is. Now if you want to claim it was poorly done that’s one thing, but to say it wasn’t satire is a simply false.
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What is satire to you and how did my attempt at it fail to meet your glorious definition?
Monopoly, twenty-one, checkers, and chess...
by Buzz on the Moon on Aug 27, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not looking at it right, buzz
several years of Hermida isnotworth one month of Harden.
Fixed
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
they kick us out for the 2003 playoffs
and now want richie! when will it end!
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
better late than never...
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I have it penciled in.
Let me know before I ink it into my dayplanner.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
Yowch
Stats, Inc MLB twitter:
The #Cubs, who were 14-5 in their first 19 games after the All-Star break, have gone 6-14 since then. #MLB
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
ouch is right.
bah.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
what idiot posted this twice?
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Harden for Cody Ross and a minor leaguer.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cody Ross is under team control for the next two years, after this season.
That would be very unintelligent for the Marlins to give up Ross, as well a minor leaguer, for one month of Rich Harden.
by hurricane0030 on Aug 27, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
but Pitching is King!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How much payroll...
flex do the Fish have? Aren’t they running around with about 20-million in salary? They could sign him to a lengthy deal right off the bat. Shore up their rotation.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
c'mon....
bob ross… he coulda painted some quick and nice paintings of the ivy.
:P
He is a good painter.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought you'd lost your touch and were mailing it in these days.
Once again, I was wrong.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
The end is near...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Looking at score recaps...
…The Mets just clobbered the Fish 10-3.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
Anyone elses Z function
stop working?
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
My Z function is lazy and stopped working.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
your z key better start doing crunches
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate the Marlins and Rockies but I'm also jealous of them and their young talent.
Can someone recommend to me some professional help?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
im jealous too
maybe we can go to group therapy
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of pitchers...
…if we’re dead set on jettisoning Richie, do we look for a replacement or use the money elsewhere? For example, Lincecum is eligible for arbitration this year.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
Who knows.
He’s the best bargain in baseball right now — for the Giants. He’s not even making a million this year, and I have heard about zero contract talks between him and the organization. Those will probably depend entirely if he can carry them into the playoffs.
And then, it’s a matter of how far.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
best bargain, yes
but he is still technically under team control for the next few years…. how could we get the giants to give him to us?
scales??
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Barry Zito.
They’ve already had to eat an enormous amount of money on his contract (cuz he sucks!), and if I’m New-whatever, I’m quite leery about dropping $100-million plus on another pitcher.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
But it's simply speculation.
Do you want another pitcher, or do you look for another position player? Me, I’m looking for a Type-A middle-IF.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
I saw Hendry last night...
and he looked pathetic.
I just hopped into town for the weekend and ran into Jim sitting by himself at the Rock Bottom on State. At around 1am he was sitting in the bar and I approached him. We had a short chat and he probably said “I just didn’t see this coming” four or five times.
Isn’t that his job? To see what’s coming?
Regardless, it was good to see that he is fan enough to be undone by the recent skid.
Yup.
My wife claims that he was with a woman when we entered, but I did not see her.
by jshappell23 on Aug 28, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't want to start a new thread, but I was at the game and heard a group
of 5 stereotypes two rows behind me who give Cub fans the bad rep.
I guess every MLB stadium has it’s sloppy drunks and booing, but these guys went over the line to the point Bradley may not be too far off the truth. I’ve been reading all day about how fans who make racial taunts/statements are tossed, but the granny watching tickets in the aisle 10 feet from them kept looking up and never said anything.
Usually, I’m upset about a loss and am not a prude, but these guys really ruined the day for me.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Maybe they're not...
…actually being racist, but they’ve been going to that hot dog stand. You know the one.
For those that don’t, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1LPf9mnyU
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
I had never heard of that...
After watching it, I’m kind of depressed. Geesh…what the hell is wrong with people?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 27, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been there on many occasions...
… and have never seen it as ugly as in that video. Its not pretty, but its not really like that, either.
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradley isn't making this stuff up, it's actually happening.
And it’s time the Cubs started doing something about it. It’s completely embarrassing that this franchise is allowing one of their players to suffer like this.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's too bad
I like Nyjer Morgan. He’s a perfect, prototypical leadoff man.
I understand why the Pirates have purged a lot of their players, but I don’t know why they let him go. For Milledge, no less.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Pirates have taken to...
…running a sporting franchise too much like a business. Teeny tiny payroll, and they’ll bank it all with the revenue sharing from the CBA.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
That and
I suppose having McCutchen in CF is an issue for the Bucs. But I would think one or the other could play another position.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Morgan too...
But I tend to think he’s a good example of how one’s positive perceptions of someone don’t correllate to his actual value statistically.
He’s the type of player I love having on a team, but realistically, he doesn’t add as much as I think he does.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
If MB
is on the Cubs next year, it will be a hard year for me to enjoy. Hendry has to do whatever it takes to get rid of him. From what MB says everyday, it seems like he wants to get the hell out of here, he is a poisen for this club.
Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...
Poisen?
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 27, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ain't lookin for nothin but a good time
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
and heilman on being traded
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090827&content_id=6649618&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
“It’s news to me,” Heilman said after the Cubs lost, 5-4, on Thursday to the Washington Nationals. “We’ll wait to see what happens and deal with it at that point. I certainly enjoy playing here and enjoy my teammates. I definitely would like to stick around.”thats too bad
you suck
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
Dear Aaron Heilman,
I definitely would like you to be a good pitcher. Let’s see which one of us gets our wish first.
SWL
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
good
we need a catcher… :P
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not. Going. To. Happen.
Unless BLou has heard differently.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
2010...2010....
gotta be thinking about that now, it appears. It just sucks that we virtually traded away Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno, and Rich Hill for nothing now. I know we wouldn’t have gotten much it return, but we just pretty much gave up those players for one crappy one, essentially
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Rich Hill?
seriously? We’re pining for Rich “can’t put it over the plate” Hill?
Cmon.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he's pining for Rich
I think he’s saying that had we traded them before their value bottomed out, we could have gotten more for them.
well
I agree with that. Hill tanked VERY fast, I’m not sure we even had time to consider it. Right before he dumped, he was a key part of our rotation.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
im still waiting for JA happs arm to fall off
any day now..
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
Some are you are welcome
to “will” this team to a playoff berth. Or to keep believing a false hope until the final out when they are mathematically eliminated, but I say why don’t you let go?
You’ll feel better.
You’re disappointment will be reduced.
Your anxiety waitng for "one more win and we will only need _ number of wins in a row – coupled with the Cardinals losing 12 in a row!
Just l e t g o! It is easy…
This team is just a spoiler now. Let’s take pride in the fact that perhaps they can change the Wild Card race when they play the Giants.
Wait ’til next year is a familiar mantra to me.
Hey, does anyone know which teams Heilman and Harden might be going to?
This space for rent ... to anyone who can think of something to put here.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure if either is going anywhere.
Minnesota claimed Harden, though.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty shocked Harden made it out of the NL
Dude’s been nails lately. Can’t tell me he wouldn’t have made the Rockies’ rotation a 1,000 times better
hes still on the cubs
unless jimbo did a secret trade with the twins
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
double secret probation trade.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. But in order for the Twins to have claimed him, every NL team would have had to pass
on him, which is what I meant. I guess I could have said the waiver claim made it out of the NL, but I assumed people would understand what I meant. My mistake
Most people did understand, it wasn't a mistake on your part.
Jesus Christos was attempting to be funny, and didn’t realize what you were saying. It fell flat, shockingly.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
i misunderstood it, but thanks for trying
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously you misunderstood it.
Which is why I said
Jesus Christos…didn’t realize what you were saying
When I said that most people did understand, I wasn’t including you.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
oh
boy do i feel stupid
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's get one thing straight, people.
Ryan Theriot is a bum, Jake Fox and Sam Fuld are Quad-A players, and every other one of these hacks you deify really is just kinda shitty. Soriano, Fukudome, Bradley, Lee,and Ramirez are good to great players. Yes, Soriano has had a horrible season, but he has a career track record of success. We need to realize we have a pretty good team, quit the petulant booing, and understand that some horrible luck is our real problem this year.
Next year, this team will be good. It will. And that won’t be because of Jake Fox, Sam Fuld, Micah Hoffpauir, Reed Johnson, Koyie Hill, Bobby Scales, or Andres Blanco. It will be because the damn good players we have will play like they are capable. Get ready.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If you say so....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's 5
good to great players, and doesn’t include pitchers. Even if they all perform like we expect / want, we still need to fill some holes or resign ourselves to seeing the guys you call bums, ect.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at BABIP.
And think about it. Many of our best players have spent time on the DL, and others have underperformed their career norms. This has been a perfect storm of bad luck for the Cubs.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
no, it's been a perfect storm of suckitude
you make your own luck. Claiming this season was lost because of bad luck is simply a way to excuse a bunch of guys for playing terrible baseball for a good portion of this season
Nobody's excusing the crappy play.
They’ve played like shit. I’m just saying that I don’t expect it to continue next season. And anyone who think Sam Fuld or Jake Fox is the answer is insane.
by ChicagoCubsFan on Aug 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
So it's "horrible luck" that's been the problem?
Well, that certainly explains 100+ years of general ineptitude.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, everyone has a bad century, once in a while...
You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan
Misc Crap
Lou is not the problem. Cubs have had a string of fine managers (Ronnie) from Baylor to Lou. It seems to me that Lou has tried to take a different approach to managing this year. He may be getting tired of the angry Lou mo. Also, when you have a team that does have some volitility issues and you are trying to correct this, does it help to yell?? These guys are professionals and need not be motivated by a manager. Salary drive and headlines shoild be plenety of motivation. What do we need, Mack Newton again… Stupid. Lou reminds me of the Tom Hanks character in LOTO. When the players show some spark, the manager will soon follow. If you have to work on your car and half of your sockets are toast, do you get ticked and give up, buy some new sockets or try to take the bolts out with your teeth? I welcome the return of Lou next year and hopefully Ryno beyond that. Also, Lou may want to look into the new line of coaching fashions out there. Something a bit more slimming may help his mood (jk). At this point in the season I watch the games with the same face as Lou does. What are you going to do?
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
One carriage return would have been great.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
One other thing
what was up with (I think it was A Guzman) throwing a fit in the dugout after being plucked by Lou. The camera didnt stay there long so I am not sure what really happened. I would ship the guy to AA for that alone given the state of the season and point in the schedule.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet another
Havent posted here that much. I looked on the posting tips section. Is there an issue with typing through or is this “Carriage Return” comment a jab/jk. Clarify?
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 27, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
sort of kidding...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You're required to take a carriage on the way to Hogwarts.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
if anyone wants to feel better
the pirates just took 3 of 4 from the phillies.
has it gotten this bad?
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
the phillies announcers lied then
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
shh
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What made me feel better
was looking at the Brewer’s record.
But I didn’t feel that much better.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers got swept by the Reds, correct?
A swift, firm return to earth for the Crew this season.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 27, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And Prince is a free agent after this year?
There is deeper doo doo than what we are swimming in.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
heilman
pretty sad al & some bcb’ers are so anxious to rid of heilman; he lasted about 30 seconds on waivers before he was claimed. heilman will start one day again in this here game of baseballs. if braden loopty-loo can win 12 games as starter; heilman can win 30
heilman 4 cy young
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If the 2008 NY Mets bullpen could let Heilman go, he's not good.
For as quality as that bullpen might look on paper, it was atrocious. Mind-boggling horrible.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And next year
when Heilman is 12-6 for the A’s or some such team, we can read all the bitching right here at BCB. “GD it, Hendry! Why did you get rid of Heilman?”
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's what happens when players leave your team, they do things.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
i know i wouldnt...
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 27, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Would that mean...
…that Larry (take your base) Rothschild didn’t the get the best out of Heilman?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
your man crush on heilman
has begun to really disturb me.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
Even Aaron Heilman
Needs somebody to love…
(cue the songsters)
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
I agree...
…with you on the Lou situation, Al. I just don’t get it. Lou has been driving me crazy for about a year and a half now and I kind of just wish he would leave and be done with it.
Everyone is calling for Gameboard’s head. Has he played poorly and said stupid things? Absolutely. Has pretty much everyone else? Yes. I just read a column by Phil Rogers (I think it was him), saying the Cubs should release Bradley and eat the $20 mil or so left on his contract…. Are you kidding me?!?! That seriously sounded like one of the dumbest things I’ve read in awhile.
by gocubsgoradio720 on Aug 27, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
It's as if somebody has let the air out of Lou, the coaching staff and the entire team.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
TONY
If the Cubs would hire Tony as manager, My 60 years of pulling for the cubs would have been for naught. I despise that individua l!!!!
I'd take it if it would mean a World Series win.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
They should hire the best person for the job
TLR fits that description better than Trammel, Brenly or Ryno.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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