Are you able to link your source?

I don’t doubt Sullivan might’ve gone on a “snark” rampage, I would just like to read it before opining.

Or do we simply have thin-skinned players?

Or do we have a management unable to insulate and support players?

I don’t know.

Cubs payroll = $135,000,000
Cubs record = 63 wins/62 losses
Standings = 9 games out of first

Carlos Zambrano 2009 salary = $18,750,000
Carlos Zambrano wins = 7
Carlos Zambrano DL stints = two 15 day stays. Most recently back problems. Why? He doesn’t like to do ab exercises.

Alfonso Soriano 2009 salary = $17,000,000
Alfonso Soriano B.A. = .238 OBP = .299 HR = 19
Alfonson Soriano = no hit/no glove

Milton Bradley 2009 salary = $7,000,000
Milton Bradley B.A. = .255 HR = 11
Milton Bradley = no clutch/no glove

I have been a Cub fan for 35 years. This is the least likeable collection of players I have ever had to endure watching. If the premise of your post is these 3 players are somehow “special” all you need to do is look at their stats, their lack of effort and the salary they are being paid for their mediocrity.

I say trade them, dump them, bench them. I would rather watch a team of likeable players like Fuld, Fox and Wells. At 9 games out of first place what difference would it really make?

Cub fans and the MSM would bitch about him looking at a clubhouse attendant the wrong way.

Zambrano isn’t doing all he can to be his best and you defend him? Besides, Zambrano has never been a real #1. He has never been the guy to stop a 4 game slide.

Bradley’s ops isn’t that rare. Nice, but not rare.

At least you didn’t defend Soriano.

And yes, I would rather support a team of players that give it their all every game.

he always always seems to be blaming somebody else ( the fans, the media, the umps) rather then act like an adult (and professional) and own up to his own mistakes. Or he could just shut the hell up. Its really amazing that JH thought someone with his history would be able to handle playing in right at Wrigley in front of ever demanding fans and Chicago media.

simply because there is no way of knowing if it would improve the team without knowing what we would get in return.

but some hack named Phil Rogers wrote an article saying we should eat 21 mil of Bradley’s contract and release him.

That way I can sit here and laugh when Z wins 20 games in Boston and Soriano gets 35 homers in LA. Milton will hit .320 in Detroit and people here will all want them back because the Cubs will be a 100 loss team.

There are a lot of Cubs fans who don’t ever deserve to see a WS title after seeing how they treat some of their best players.

What bad treatment has Z ever gotten? Get a manager who holds everyone accountable to be in shape and produce or they won’t be playing, and everything will fall into place. Let things deteriorate into a country club circus like this year, and we’ll be right where we are.

… where you’re asked for your opinion on something but then people rip you and call you names for it? ’Cause I heard there was one.

…wants to see Bradley punted too.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-28-rogers-milton-bradley-cubs-aug28,0,2399764.column?track=rss

Another article that proves you can’t trust the Chicago media.

The fact that the media all thinks Z and Bradley should go proves the Cubs should keep them.

And again we only have these hacks to trust as to who are or aren’t clubhouse problems. How do we really know their friends aren’t? we only have a bunch of people the national enquirer wouldn’t hire to believe.

Remember to the media they are the story not the players.

Is it going to be worth if the Worfs or CubsBullsBears of the world get their wish

….to do this? The personal attacks and sideway swipes at other posters on this site is getting fucking ridiculous.

I think he’ll only get better and mature more in the next few seasons. Soriano is untradeable, so that is a moot point. And Bradley, well…

… some of us might think the team is better off without one of those players, but wants to keep the other. I can’t vote yes or no on that poll.

You’re insane for thinking they can be traded without us eating most of the contract, and it doing more harm to us than help. And you’re crazy for thinking we can win with a team full of D-Lee’s and Kerry Woods. There aren’t enough of these “stand-up” guys to fulfill a championship roster, and it’s very rare to find a championship team in any sport full that was made up of strictly perceived “good guys”. (And I don’t even think MB and Z are bad guys, I think they’ve been abused by the media- in Bradley’s case since before he even wore pinstripes for the first time- and I think the casual fan or the occasional hater has drank the kool-aid.)

A team that has talent and a desire to win should be enough for a good manager to cultivate into success, and blaming this failing season on MB and Big Z is crap. They both have the passion, hustle and talent to help a team win ballgames, and we’ve paid for them based on their history of producing so we should shut up and let them do this. Of course that’s not going to do anything to help us this year- this year is over and I blame that largely on injuries and failing to have proper back-up players to fill-in for the injured.

But in order to regroup next year, we need to stop this nonsense of calling for players heads and asking for ridiculous trades that anyone who knows anything about baseball- or the stock market- knows is a terrible idea. Fire sales on talent won’t help us accomplish our main goal- unless you’ve all forgotten what that is and we’re really content defining the term Lovable Losers for life.

That’s the problem. There’s good players, but who’s the heart and soul? Besides Aaron Miles, I mean.

It CANNOT be answered with a “yes” or “no”. What the team would get in return would determine whether or not the Cubs improve.

If Z was traded. Do I like him? Yes. But look we had great starting pitching this year and what did it get us? IMO you can pick any one of our starters make a deal. Its really all we have right now to work with. And maybe the only way certain position players may be able to be moved. I appreciate and enjoy Zs transparency with the media, but talking about retiring, lazyness etc cetainly doesnt help the team in terms of his value. These sort of things must really get to Hendry (Players with nice contracts devaluing their marketability with BS). Get me one strong middle infielder and one really good back up outfielder and I would be happy. Reed, Fuld and the like dont cut it. So sick of scrappy.

Before anyone ELSE overreacts to Big Z’s comments in that Sullivan article, check out this video from Mouthpiece Sports. You get to see his facial expressions and tone of voice and, most of all, you get some context.

Look, all Z and Bradley are doing are being honest and venting about a very frustrating season on and off the field. I know, I know…they make millions of dollars and should shut up and take it like men yadda yadda. The dollar amount on your paycheck doesn’t stop you from being human.

Does Bradley take it a little too far? Yeah, even I’ll admit that. He’d have been better not making the “hatred” comment or certainly the “nine innings” remark. And he really shouldn’t enflame the fans further by doing his “yap yap” hand gesture. But that’s just his personality and I, for one, choose to look past it and focus on his production on the field.

I dont mind a single thing Z or Milton (some others) have done. If I was holding the contract, I would be concerned.

that almost half the responders voted “yes” above. Just astounding.

Personally, I think Bradley should go. He knew Hendry is known for giving out fat contracts, so… he milked the oppertunity. Yet, for whatever reason, he hasn’t been able to perform and doesn’t want the responsibility that comes with that contract and for playing with the Cubs. He needs to go during the offseason. He isn’t going to help this team win.

Z… he is passionate. He is a gamer. But, he is also emotionally immature… at least half the time. He’s good, but he isn’t a stead number 1 pitcher. If Z could be pushed back, and if he accepted that, I think he can still flourish here… But personally, I think he wants to leave also… everytime things go bad, he wants to leave. When things go good, he wants to stay. We need… want…deserve better than that.

Thats my two cents. These guys are millionares playing the greatest game (GAME!!!) in the world. Grow up… be better than this….

but do you all realize that other , maybe future free agents, are watching these games and see how they’re being treated. I think we are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Get rid of Bradley, run Z out of town, and lets see what other dark skinned free agents we can get.

And then if we can convince it will okay, don’t you think you will have to pay a premium for them coming here? And isn’t our contracts one of the reason why we are in this mess?

Sometimes you have to step back and look at things big picture.

It bothers me people think it’s not a problem because security takes care of the people that shout racist things and such.

Sorry it still happens. When my house is robbed does it mean it was okay because the cops caught the robbers?

Bradley was booed from opening day because some people can’t think for themselves and let the media do their thinking for them.

Sorry, but it’s those players who sucked this season, not the fans.

If they can find a team to take Bradley, that would be great. He is completely unstable and will never be part of a winner. The sooner they admit the mistake of acquiring him the better.

As for Zambrano, if the right trade comes along, sure make the deal. He is a good not great pitcher. He thinks he is an ace but he lacks the emotional maturity to be a true top of the rotation kind of pitcher. But he only gets traded if the Cubs can bring in at least a solid #2 and preferably an ace. IMO, the best scenario would be the Cubs get an ace (no, I do not have a name) and keep Zambrano.