Hello, Old Friends: Cubs vs. Mets Preview, Friday 8/28, 1:20 CT
Let's push controversy aside for a while, shall we, and try to just enjoy a baseball game this afternoon?
The last time the Mets visited Wrigley Field was more than 16 months ago, on April 22, 2008. That isn't that long ago in baseball terms, but of the eight starting Cubs that day, four are no longer with the team and one is on the DL. Five other Cubs who appeared in the game are elsewhere as well. As for the Mets, four of their starting eight from that game won't appear due to injury and three others have departed.
Ronny Cedeno hit a grand slam in that game, just to remind you of blasts from the past. It's still his only slam. (That's just about the time we started calling him ONEDEC.)
Two very different teams will take the field at Wrigley this afternoon from that long-ago day in 2008 (the Cubs did face the Mets last September, still almost a year ago, when the Mets were desperately trying to win a playoff spot, which they lost on the last day of the season). The Mets have been decimated by injuries, both to their starting lineup and pitching rotation -- the three Mets probable starters in this series, Pat Misch, Bobby Parnell and Nelson Figueroa, were definitely not the pitchers Jerry Manuel envisioned in his rotation in April.
OK, I suppose I can't resist a couple of links and comments regarding the current Milton Bradley situation. Phil Rogers says the Cubs should just cut him, which would cost north of $20 million and I think is a ridiculous idea, but Rogers also offer some suggestions of other teams' bad contracts that could result in a trade:
The only way to trade Bradley, according to executives with other clubs, is to up your ante to take on someone else's bad contract. You know the names -- the Blue Jays' Vernon Wells, owed $98.5 million over five years; the Giants' Barry Zito, $83 million over four years; the Astros' Carlos Lee, $55.5 million over three years, maybe the Giants' Aaron Rowand, $36 million over three years.
The best of those scenarios involves the Rangers' five-year, $80-million deal with Michael Young, who at 32 is a productive player. He's owed $16 million a year for four more seasons.
In a cost-cutting mode because of ownership problems, Texas might consider a Bradley-for-Young trade. But it wouldn't do it during its ongoing playoff race and it's going to be increasingly awkward for them to try to wade through a hugely problematic trade.
As Rogers says, Texas is in a playoff race and probably wouldn't do it now. So are the Giants with Zito, who has actually pitched very well since the All-Star break. The Vernon Wells deal would be more palatable to the Cubs if it didn't have five years and nearly as much money as Alfonso Soriano's. But I'd do it. Wells is virtually the same age as Bradley (about eight months younger) and, though he's had a couple of tough years since he signed his monster deal, at least he does have proven power numbers from the past, and could play CF, allowing Kosuke Fukudome to move back to RF next season (with Reed Johnson retained to back them both up).
And strangely enough, the best local media words on this situation come from the Tribune's Steve Rosenbloom, who I almost never agree with and who often writes ridiculous bombast. But today he nails it, in a column titled Bradley's response ought to anger those who take on racism seriously:
Racism is serious. If you are concerned or angry enough to put that in the public discussion, then you seemingly should be motivated to explain when and where this happened. How else do you take a step toward keeping it from happening again?
But when Bradley offers only cynicism and sarcasm, he diminishes the severity of the issue. Moreover, he does a disservice to those suffering abuse but who are willing to fight the fight head on.
...
Under no circumstances does anyone deserve to be abused racially. Underachieving baseball player and racial epithets are dots that should never connect.
But Bradley’s history and now his dismissive response to questions following his serious charges invite the suggestion that he’s looking for ways to shield himself from his problems, self-inflicted or otherwise.
One hundred percent correct, Mr. Rosenbloom. Bravo.
Try to enjoy today's game.
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Pat Misch's stats below are with the Mets only; see the pitcher box for his full-season stats.
There's no profile photo of Pat Misch in a Mets cap available (at least not in that size), so you get one of him with his former team, the Giants. The Mets acquired Misch on waivers in July and he's spent the last couple of months shuttling between Buffalo and New York, making 15 relief appearances with the Mets (after four with the Giants). He is a Chicago-area native who graduated from Glenbrook North HS in Northbrook in 1999 and has made three career relief appearances vs. the Cubs, all in 2007. This will be his first start as a Met. Only one current Cub has a hit off him -- Koyie Hill (1-for-2), but that's covering only eight total at-bats from all current Cubs.
Ted Lilly is 2-1, 3.86 in five career appearances (four starts) vs. the Mets. His last two starts against them, one in 2007 and one in 2008, were both wins, the last one in the April 22, 2008 game mentioned above. The current Met who has the most AB against Ted is Gary Sheffield; Sheffield is only 5-for-28 against him.
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I like Lee and Bobby Scales, and most Cubs fans do
So that whole racism idea is a non issue..
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
oh, come on.
it’s not nearly as simple as that.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
This is exactly what I was talking about
in the other thread where I was told my comment about questioning if Bradley has been subject to racism will result in being called a racist.
Excellent example and almost exactly what Wreckard posted to me yesterday when I asked a serious question about the experience of racism in the bleachers and RF specifically, pointing out the adoration of Sammy and Dawson and asking if it was a phenomenon that started after Sammy’s departure.
I visit this site less and less frequently because of things like this. If you dare question the group-think of some of the posters, then you’re personally attacked, called names or it’s implied that you’re a racist. Nice.
It’s a shame, Al, that it’s gotten like this.
How is that comparable?
I saw your question yesterday about Sammy and Dawson (never saw the response since I didn’t go back). But how is your question the same as a statement that “I like 2 other black players, therefore, I am not racist”?
The question is
Would he get the same amount of grief if he were white? I suspect not, but that’s based on my general feeling that black players will get a quick, hard-to-erase label of being angry, lazy, etc. due to lingering sterotypes. Those of you sitting in the RF bleachers would have a closer view of what is going on up close.
Yes, I think he would.
Perfect example: Todd Hundley.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It is not that simple,
maybe certain fans will only like “certain” kind of black players. Just because someone likes Dlee doesn’t mean they don’t like Bradley because he’s black.
And I’m certainly not saying anything about, just in general.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
anything about you Chanman.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Where is everybody?
Are they still arguing in the fanposts?
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
At least that smarmy-ass picture is gone
That picture seriously made me want to punch him in the face.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Just win the game.
I don’t care how, just win.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I was just being random
didn’t mean anything
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
"Try to enjoy today's game."
Um, if they do anything enjoyable…
by Blue Heron on Aug 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
Let's get Lee
He’s never had a problem bashing them out of Wrigley. Course that’s with us pitching to him.
SS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
why should we start caring about our SS having range NOW?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of such things
I found a new dutch-oven-like trick. With a wetsuit.
Rip a good one, then put your hand near someones face, and open up the seal on your wrist.
Fart a la face.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
Like Spiderman!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!
Especially if he had been bitten by a skunk. Of course, then he would be skunk man, I guess… doesn’t have the same ring to it.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
Skunk-man just needs a catchy song!
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
I submit this for your approval.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
What's wrong with having Cajuns on the team?
Being a Cajun myself, I’m very curious.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The lingering effects of Paul Bako can be felt to this day
Some fans just won’t forgive or forget him.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I saw him (on TV) hit a home run last night!
Bakoball – catch the fever!
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Completetly agree with Rosenbloom
and Milton should be working with Cubs security to identify the culprits, something he apparently has never done.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Given Milton's nature to be a bit of a crazy person Rosenbloom is right to question him
But at the same time it would be foolish to dismiss his claims just because he said them. Hopefully the Sun-Times and ESPN Chicago writers who went into the stands yesterday go back in a few weeks when this thing blows over. Right now their accounts come when people have to be on their best behavior because they know the media and security is watching their every move.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Glad
I wasn’t the only one to agree w/ Rosenbloom. Read it this morning, and couldn’t actually believe that I was agreeing w/ him… for once. A virus is a virus is a virus.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
I just saw on the Dan Patrick show that today is...
Lou’s birthday. Hopefully the team gives him a win for it!
Go Cubs!
by CubsWin!Oregon on Aug 28, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
be nice
to get a win today.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Wells????
The Vernon Wells suggestion is laughable. You’d be taking on 3 more years and 80 million for a guy who can’t really play CF any more and would be a downgrade offensively from Milton. He’s also had his own problems staying healthy. One of the reasons Halladay is still a Blue Jay is because no one wanted to take on VW’s contract.
I'd stay away from Wells, Al...
He’s actually making MORE money than Soriano from 2010-2014 ($98.5 million vs $90 million). His contract is probably the worst contract in baseball. He’ll be making $20+ million per year from 2011-2014.
And we’d be taking on an additional $78.5 million (and three years) for a guy who probably ins’t any better than Milton Bradley (certainly not as good as Bradley was last year). Wells is a career .802 OPS guy, is probably hitting the decline phase defensively (meaning he may need to move to a corner OF spot). And in two of the past three years, he’s had an OPS of under .725.
And wasn't Wells the player...
…who specifically stated that he didn’t want to play at Wrigley Field? Or am I thinkin’ of someone else?
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
The GM in Toronto...
…is also another guy who is lucky to still be in his position.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed...
Getting back to the topic of possible Bradley trades, I don’t think the guys listed by Rosenbloom is the appropriate list. I think a more realistic idea would be more along the Hundley for Karros/Grudz trade lines – pick up a couple of smaller contracts that teams don’t want who would be reserve players. I certainly don’t think we’d be trading Bradley (who "only has a bit over $20 million due after this year) for players with $50+ million left on their deals.
by SouthernCub on Aug 28, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see Rosenbloom's point, however....
But Bradley’s history and now his dismissive response to questions following his serious charges invite the suggestion that he’s looking for ways to shield himself from his problems, self-inflicted or otherwise.
This goes both ways. Wrigley’s recent history with Latroy Hawkins, Jacques Jones, Dusty Baker, and Don Baylor invite the suggestion that maybe there’s something to Bradley’s claims.
So what's the solution?
I don’t want to belabor this too much, because I know it was talked about ad naseum in one of yesterday’s posts, but:
Having read many of your other posts, you really seem to believe that much of the vitriol shown the aforementioned is race related. I disagree with that premise, believing race is only an issue for those uber-sensitive to race: racists, those who’ve continually been on the receiving end of racist statements and those who try to convince everyone that every problem involving someone of color has to be based on race (ambulance chasers). It’s like the red car syndrome: start looking for red cars and you’ll start seeing them wherver you go, leading you to believe that there are more red cars than there actually are.
I – and no one on this board from what I’ve read – am not saying that racism does not exist, in the world or at Wrigley Field. But I think it’s the extreme minority. With Jones, Bradley (and Patterson, whom you’ve brought up elsewhere), as has been stated by many, I believe much of the treatment they received is due to the expectations of them coming in that they did not live up to coupled with, in the case of the former, their bombastic/accusatory/“play the race card” handling of fan expression of that dissapointment. With Hawkins, I think he just happened to play the pivotal role in the destruction of the 2004 season (eg. BS against the Mets), sort of like Brant Brown in 1998. If Brant Brown had come out against fans like Hawkins did – and if the Cubs had lost the 1 game playoff – I like you’d have seen Cubs fans turn on him too.
Bottom line, people – on BCB or anywhere else – don’t like being called racists or lumped in with racists or implied that they approve of it. So, while I agree with you that Bradley has probably heard racist taunts, I think it represents an absolute minority of Cubs fans. And then when you come on BCB and seem to state/imply that those of us who don’t like Bradley, don’t like him because he’s black, people have problems with that and react defensively with things like, “you’re wrong, that doesn’t happen at Wrigley,” “he’s playing the race card,” or “but I love Lee and he’s black.”
The problem I have with your implications is that once you label someone a racist, there’s really nothing they can say to discount that. If they say, “I have black friends,” you mock that as illegitimate. If they say, “I’m not racist,” you may or may not agree with them, but at minimum you’ll turn it against them by saying something like, “but you’re not sticking up for Milton against those who are attacking him.” Which, of course, starts the cycle all over again. I think one can be extremely disappointed in Bradley as a player and despise him as a person off the field for his attitude/comments, without it having anything to do with race.
So, if Bradley is facing racial slurs and yet the majority of Cubs fans are not racists and are not directly participating or indirectly sitting by while it happens, then what’s the solution? What does average Cubs fan – who doesn’t like Bradley, but certainly does not advocate him being demeaned because of his skin color – do?
*I should note that this response is not directed to you – Wreckard – only, per se, but to the “anything against Milton is fueld by racism” crowd here on BCB. I hope my post was read as respectfully as I meant to type it.
by Zonk on Aug 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
well
for one, you focus on the play, and not the hype. The “angry black man” stereotype DOES EXIST. It’s hard to suggest that you don’t like Bradley because of his attitude without being painted. That sucks, I guess.
But it also matters in context — what do you think of Z’s outbursts? What about Riot having to be physically restrained, and Lilly charging the ump when he was thrown out of a game he wasn’t even playing in?
Those last two got barely any media play at all. Why?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
isolated incidents, that's why
when it becomes a pattern, that’s when it’s talked about as an issue.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Ted Lilly
punched his manager in the FACE!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the only time i've heard you say something negative about a Cub
and it’s in defense of another one. Come on Drew, I’m willing to hear your arguments, but you need to at least acknowledge that this has been an ongoing problem with Bradley throughout his career.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Milton
gets way more flack than he deserves. The press decided he was a no-go before he even got to Chicago. When you don’t get a clean slate from one team to the next, you cannot ever win.
I say negative things when it’s deserved. I’ve wondered why Soriano hasn’t had the MRI on his knee. I complain when Lou uses Miles to pinch hit. I don’t like Dome hitting fifth, and I can’t undersatnd why Fontenot plays over Baker. Marmol’s walks drive me crazy.
But Milton Bradley has improved month to month all season. There’s NO REASON for him to get the crap he gets.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
but there is
saying things like “i pray the game only goes 9 innings so I can get home quickly” is blasphemous for a professional ballplayer to say.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you blaspheme in here!

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
It was Blue Lou Marini, IIRC
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Not to be confused with BLou
oh, God, could they be one in the same?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
yes
because you never want work to run long. Give me a break. He goes to work and essentially gets yelled at the entire 2.5-3.5 hours.
Is he still hitting the ball and fielding the ball? Yes? Then what he SAYS is IRRELEVANT.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want to work in the current conditions that he does either.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
It was only a warning punch.
I think we all know that Ted can do much better.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
What pattern are we talking about here?
Bradley’s history? Or his actions as a Cub?
AFAICT, his actions as a Cub have been completely above-board. An argument with an umpire and a brain-fart have been the only things that people can hang on him concerning his actions on or off the field. No one’s a saint over 120+ games, even Lilly, as Drew pointed out.
It’s his words that are getting him grief now, and have been from the beginning. Anything he says that can possibly make him look bad is trumpeted to the heavens, furthering preconceived notions until we get to where we are now. It’s a vicious circle, and I’m not very pleased with the direction it’s heading.
Bradley’s been very good on the field and at the plate for the last 6 weeks – truthfully, that’s all I care about. His hard work and baseball smarts are finally reaping the rewards which we all wanted on day 1, and I’m glad for that. At the same time, everything else is coming to a head, completely overshadowing his play.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
+1, I like it when someone can eloquently state (much better than I) my similar thoughts. I Recd
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Aug 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we have a problem with labels.
There are different types of racists.
I’m racist. I grew up in Winnetka. I had a black friend growing up, but he grew up in Winnetka with a white mother. So my particular brand of racism is not really associated with skin color, but with a culture that is unfamiliar to me.
I absolutely act differently around black people. I don’t say things I might say around white people. I don’t mean racial slurs, but borderline comments that I self-censor out of the fear that they might offend. Example: I like to say “aks” instead of “ask,” mostly because of an episode of Futurama. But I don’t do it around black people. And that means I’m racist. Because I’m treating them differently.
If you want to call your boss a slave-driver, but don’t because there’s a black person, that’s racist. It’s not Ku Klux Klan racist. But it’s behaving differently around someone because they’re different than you.
A co-worker of a friend used the term “oreo” in front of a black person. The black person told them that term is offensive. The white person said “no it’s not.” The black person had to explain that it was, because it offended her.
Racism is something that is a part of all of us. It’s in the way we were raised, the environment we grew up in, the way our role models treated people.
Not all racists light crosses on lawns. In fact most don’t. But make no mistake, most of us are, in fact, racist. We just may not know it till someone points it out.
We need to try to not let an emotionally charged word get the better of us as we discuss this. It’s just a word.
I don't think this is entirely accurate.
Having read many of your other posts, you really seem to believe that much of the vitriol shown the aforementioned is race related.
What I think is this: the vitriol shown by Cubs fans specifically towards Bradley seems waaaaay out of line with what he’s ever done, both as a Cub and before he came here. I honestly have no idea why this is, but I do think it would be naive to think that race isn’t part of it, even if it’s a small part. And I think the knee-jerk defensive reaction sells short what, at some point, needs to be recognized as a pattern.
If you’ve read my posts, you’ll notice that not only do I think the vitriol directed towards Bradley is stupid, immature groupthink at its worst, but I think that the same problem extends to many other Cubs players as well.
But that doesn’t really answer your question which boils down to: what’s a hater to do? How can I, Wreckard, both hate Bradley and not be called a racist?
My recommendation: You should get some fucking perspective.
I mean seriously. You “despise” Bradley? A man paid to play a game for our entertainment? Simply because he fails at a skill that is completely and totally unrelated to said game – dealing effectively with the media and saying the “right” thing?
Because really that’s what it comes down to. This whole Bradley thing was actually a lot simpler back when he was simply under-performing. But now for nearly 2 months straight he’s performed pretty close to his career norms, and there’s still this giant shitstorm of hatred raining down on him from Cubs fans. And that makes a lot of us question what this is really about.
Ted Lilly will make all things right again today
I could really use a win today. I’m feeling the blues lately. The Bleedcubbieblues…
Thanks for that title, Al
Now I’ve got “The Sounds of Silence” running through my head.
The words of the prophets are written on BCB…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You know, now that the song is in my head, too (thanks)
I can only think of the scene in Old School, and how the Cubs seem to be slowly sinking to the bottom of a pool without a fight.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Aug 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Rosenbloom hit the nail on the head
I really do hope that we can find a trading partner for Bradley. I just don’t envision the Cubs winning with him. I also don’t think it’s any coincidence that our controversies went from basically zero to many after he came on board.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
really?
all the fuss over Z last year? The pissy astros over the no-hitter?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
all the fuss
about Dome’s free-fall?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
there was no fuss.
Lou sat him, and that was that. that’s the difference, Dome is a team player.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember
a LOT of angst about it. “the contract is an albatross, what will we do about RF?”
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure a lot of people did say that
I wasn’t one of them, though. And, it didn’t seem to have a negative effect on the chemistry of the team, and that’s the point i was trying to get across.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
perhaps
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if we had DeRo as the clubhouse leader
with Bradley, things would have been different. I think that sure would have helped our chemistry and leaderless problem.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Plenty of calls to DFA him
Send him back to Japan. Do anything to get him off the team, including eating the money remaining on his contract.
Seems familiar somehow.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Of course it's no coincidence
The Chicago media couldn’t wait to welcome Bradley with open arms and a delicious apple pie.
I’m not usually a “blame the media” type of guy, but MB’s been a marked man for these jackals from the day he signed.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
yep, they are really getting my ire right now.
I wish I could shut them up, they are making things worse.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I do agree with that.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, we agree. :)
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Agreed.
They love it because it makes good copy – objectivity and (particularly when it comes to Phil Rogers) logic be damned.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Do you really think that if
Sori, Soto and Fontenot had played like they did last year that Milton would have dragged this team down? Milton can be a part of a good team, not just the go to spotlight guy.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I'm more apt to believe that the negativity
has had an adverse effect on Sori, Soto, and Fonty…not the other way around.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
it's still
the Press’ fault.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So MIlton helped Soto go on his twinkie binge?
makes Sori swing at every slider off the plate? C’mon I don’t think he has the kind of affect on other players you do. You don’t like Milton, but don’t blame other players woes on him too.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I can see your point on that
and perhaps that’s my personal feelings speaking instead of reality.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think many Cubs fans feelings about Milton Bradley's personality...
…affect how they view him as a baseball player. I agree with Rosenbloom’s point – and I can’t deny that Milton draws a lot of ire with his words and actions – but I choose to look past that and focus on his talents as a ballplayer.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by daver on Aug 28, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good post, Daver!
I wish more fans would try to focus a little better on that.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
That April 22, 2008 game...
IIRC it was my first game of 2008. And yeah, it seems like a loooong time ago.
It was Ted Lilly’s first win after a shaky start (0-3) to 2008. ONEDEC’s grand slam came off of Jorge Sosa, who must have nightmares about Wrigley; he’s now on the Nationals, and the Cubs lit him up this Wednesday night. And Kevin Hart pitched the 9th for the Cubs; had forgotten he was on the big league club at all last year.
Even though Zito has pitched well lately...
11 earned runs allowed over his last 8 starts, SF would certainly dump his contract in a hurry if offered only 2 years of Milton in exchange. They have plenty of stupid contracts (Rowand, Renteria, Winn, Dave Roberts—$6.5 M to stay home!) they wish they’d never done.
I’m seeing Zito vs. Marquis on Saturday night, and am actually looking forward to it. I would have bet big money against that in April.
Yes.....
But could we give them Soriano’s instead, and use Bradley in one of the other aforementioned trade scenarios? I’d like to think on that one……….
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Aug 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption, sort of
Lou: Fifty bucks say you can run out there and kick Quade in the ass and get back here before he knows what happened.
Ted: Oh I know I could do it.
Lou: Fifty bucks…
Ted: Fifty buck huh?
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
This site has been really contentious this week
I don’t know if it would be better for us to lose the next ten games so we can get all the angst out of our system and focus on next year, or rather keep winning a few and keep the small of glimmer of hope flickering.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
There is no way in hell I would take Vernon Wells for Milton Bradley.
NO
WAY
IN
HELL
You’ve got to be kidding me! Bradley is a significantly better defensive player, has better offensive metrics like OPS+ and BaBIP, and is a contract that is only here for two more years.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And it's a lot cheaper contract... not just a shorter contract...
Bradley has probably added more value to his teams than Wells over the past 3 years, in spite of his injuries.
I’m not saying we should definitely keep Bradley. But I’d rather have Bradley than Wells.
just guessing here
riot, bradley, lee, aram, dome, sori, soto, baker
sigh
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
is the pitcher a lefty?
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
yes, Misch is a lefty
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, I'm sure I'll get it right tomorrow when we face a righty.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
lol
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I just tried to scribble it down per the pregame interview.
I think it’s this:
Theriot
Bradley
Lee
Ramirez
Baker
Soriano
Fuld
Hill
Lilly
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
+1 for having Hill in the lineup
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
at least he is playing him more often
that a small plus in Lou’s column
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I like Baker there
Let’s see if he is over-promoted.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Don't like Baker in the 5 spot, but we don't have many options.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
So what does Baker say to the fan taunting him?
“Eat me!”
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
GET BAKED!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
haha love it! :)
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Baker
understands the honor of putting on a Cubs uniform. He should bat in all positions.
(sarcasm aside I do like Jeff Baker)
He will rise to the challenge.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I really didn't knead to hear that
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
What kind of half-baked thread is this?
You won’t get a rise out of me!
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
Hope Lilly puts up some doughnuts.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Yeesht.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Soto is in front of Fuld and Hill is obviously out.
otherwise, you were close.
that is my recollection…granted, I am on meds. I could be totally wrong.
"I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix."
-- Dan Quayle
No Hill today
Cubs lose
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Piniella/Lilly caption...
Lou: Ted, give me your honest opinion of Larry
Ted: He’s overated
Lou: Yea, I agree. Hendry told me they were gonna spend all this money on players
so I went along with his desire I keep him as pitching coach. What a dumbass I
am!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Since Al
and others seem to think that Mitlon is overexaggerating or even making up these racial claims I want to repost this comment here. This comes from a BCB poster who sat in the stands yesterday
That’s me and I was there.
Section 206 Row #3. Second inning 4 guys in their early 20’s rolled in and sat two rows behind us. The section was mostly empty. Them in row 5, us in row three, rows 2 and 1 were vacant. The 106 Section usher is just in front of us, 10 feet from them.
Three guys were wearing Cubs-ish gear. two of the three had on the "if they lose, we still booze" T’s I can’t really call Cub stuff. The loudest and 4th brashley announced to the others they must suck if they let him, a White Sox fan, find them their seats.
They then proceeded to verbally crap on everyone in the area. The guy to our right in a Michigan jacket is a fag because he wasn’t a ND fan. To Soriano in the field, he needed to hit another wall because he sucks too much to play. To young women walking by, they had special seating arranged for them, To Kevin Gregg he sucked worse than LaTroy Hawkins because he wasn’t supposed to be a closer, etc.
Bradley’s first at bat, they were quiet until he made the out, then he was a horrible f’er who needed to leave town.
Second AB, they were abusive immediately when he strolled to the plate.
During the third AB, The one who had claimed to be a Sox fan yelled that Bradley "deserved to be beaten like Rodney King" for sucking like this.
Did I report this to security. No. The staff seemed fully aware. The usher was 10 feet away and looked at them with every utterance and word Security walked by constantly looking up at them.
Do I usually pay this close attention to a few drunks nearby? No, but I took my 5 year old daughter to her first game.
You could argue none of the comments individually were racist. I’m looking at the perspective if I was an African American man with big contract and believed I was underperforming and hearing abuse like this night in and night out. I would certainly believe there were racial undertones.
That the guy claimed to be a Sox fan is irrelevant to whether Bradley hears these things. It’s just ironic that it’s the reputation of Cubs fans and Bradley’s experiences as a Cub being discussed.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn’t understand
by N Oakley on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see some of you doubters explain that and “HIGGYS” comment away.
Let's see
Homophobic comments, attacks on white players like Gregg, sexist comments and a guy claiming to be a Sox fan making a racist comment — I do agree that making Rodney King references to a black guy is racist.
Seems like they are equal opportunity offenders.
No, seriously, the anectdote is horrible.
But I must giggle and your reliance on anectdotal evidence here. Your abacus broken today?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
What else do you need?
Written affadavits from racists at wrigley? months of CCTV footage?
Of course it’s going to be anecdotal
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
I wonder if
their parents are proud of them?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
LOL
My “abacus”
Sadly that is probably the most up to date educational tool Worf has used.
Photo caption:
Ted: Y’know a fan heckled me once.
Lou: Oh yeah? How’d that work for him?
Ted: (Long pause.) Not too good.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
"You shouldn't heckle me, Johnny."
My father heckled me once. Once."
by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh* are you here all week? :P
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 28, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Only until the puns run out.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
Try the veal, tip your waitress, drive safely, g'night! ;-)
by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 28, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the waitress
is on a gyroscope.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope our performance at the plate
Results in a Misch mash.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Take your puns elsewhere
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Mostly disappointment
The world – including the stands at Wrigley – can be full of jerks. Those jerks, their attitudes and their comments, wouldn’t matter if the Cubs were winning. They wouldn’t matter is Soto weren’t having a world-class sophomore slump, or Sori were on a streak, or the bullpen could be reliable two games in a row, or Piniella seemed to give a hoot, or. . . Bradley hadn’t choked.
This is really all about reaction to a pretty bad Cubs team, isn’t it? Especially in relation to the previous two years? At least apart from the jerks.
I admire those of you who can still joke about it, even if they are really lame jokes. I’m pretty close to clinical depression about this season…
AlaskaFan
"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Mets
Let’s forget all this and embarrass the Mets all weekend !
by If we only had Hubbs on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions

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