Soriano's First HR In August Leads Cubs To 5-2 Win Over Mets
There may be life in the corpse after all.
After getting only two runners past first base through seven innings, one of them scoring, the Cubs wasted Ted Lilly's outstanding starting outing when Kevin Gregg gave up a run-scoring single to Fernando Tatis.
No, wait. That's not fair to Gregg, who got Tatis to hit a two-out fly ball that most left fielders would have caught up with. Alfonso Soriano actually did do that, then let the ball pop out of his clove. It was his third defensive miscue of the game and gave the Mets a 2-1 lead, though his relay throw to Ryan Theriot was sent on home to nail Daniel Murphy at the plate.
And the way the Cubs have played most of this month, that would have been it -- giving up the lead run in the late innings, they haven't been able to mount comebacks. This time, though, a double from Milton Bradley -- who also had an adventurous game in the outfield, even while having a fine day at the plate -- started the game-winning rally off Mets reliever Brian Stokes. Stokes has been the Mets' most consistent reliever all year, but he couldn't stop the Cubs. Derrek Lee moved Bradley to third on a deep fly ball to RF, where he scored the tying run on an Aramis Ramirez single.
Jeff Baker walked -- that surprised all of us, who thought he might not have checked his swing in time on a 3-2 pitch -- and then Soriano hit his game-winning blast.
Carlos Marmol made us think he was going to play walkathon again, walking the leadoff hitter in the 9th, but then he got three quick outs including a pair of K's and the Cubs took the first game of the series 5-2, helping Lou Piniella celebrate his 66th birthday today.
Let's address the booing of Bradley and Soriano first. I've consistently said that I'd only boo a perceived lack of effort. I don't see that from either one of those players -- I do think they are giving 100% effort on the field. Bradley was booed when he misplayed a ball in the second inning, allowing the Mets' first run to score, and thereafter had a mix of boos and cheers when he came up to bat. He also bowed to the crowd in RF after making a nice catch in the seventh inning, which I thought was pretty funny and actually, an appropriate reaction from him. The booing really isn't necessary, but I can understand fans' frustration with Bradley, who just doesn't seem to be a good fit here. He's made odd comments and then blamed the media for trying to inflame things. There was quite a group of reporters on the field outside the Cubs dugout before the game, probably trying to get more on this story, which I wish would just go away.
It is not my purpose here to reignite the debate about whether Bradley should stay or not. My position is clear and I'm sticking with it -- I think he should be traded, and hope the Cubs can do that. In the meantime I hope he hits the hell out of the ball in September, because that would help the team he's on right now. Here are some cogent comments from Cubs Hall of Famer Billy Williams on this issue:
The sense he gets, Williams said, is fans are focused on what players do on the field and they don't care about race or your family tree.
"Here's a case of a player who played here and had some good years -- Randy Hundley -- and his son [Todd] came here and didn't do so well and he got booed," Williams said. "It's not directed to any player who's doing good, it's directed to players who aren't having a good year. The fans just want to see good baseball.
"Because we've made the playoffs the last couple years, they want a winner here," he said. "If you don't perform, they say, 'Hey, he's in the Major Leagues and he should perform.'"
Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee told Bradley the best thing to do is ignore the comments. Williams agrees.
"You've got to have confidence that you can get beyond that," Williams said. "Those people have a problem. You have to be like a duck out of water -- you have to let it flow off your back."
Amen, Billy. Amen.
As for Soriano, Lou admitted during the postgame news conference that Sori's knees are still bothering him and that "he just can't move around out there". Well, if that's the case, why isn't he on the DL, or why hasn't this been revealed until now? This has been speculated on for at least a couple of months, and perhaps a DL stint back in May or June would have fixed the problem and he'd be at full strength now. Instead, Lou said Soriano probably wouldn't play tomorrow and would be examined by the trainers. It's not clear whether that means Soriano has to be shut down for a while -- given that it's nearly September 1, there's no great need to place him on the DL, since rosters can expand in three days. If he can hit like he did today, maybe a day off here and there would keep him able to play most of the time, and he could start another hot streak.
Now, back to the nicely played win -- it's too bad Lilly couldn't have gotten the victory today, because he threw yet another fine game. But the bullpen did its job and so did the offense, coming from behind. I'm not going to turn this into blind optimism because I see the reality of where the Cubs would have to go if they want to make something out of the last 36 games of the season. Today's crowd of 39,381 included maybe 9,000 no-shows; the bleachers were pretty full but there were many scattered empty seats elsewhere, due not only to the recent play of the Cubs but the late-Septembrish weather. There were quite a number of people seen around the park in Mets garb, probably having planned their trips months ago when the Mets were still thinking about contending. Those fans probably never dreamed they'd not see Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Delgado and Carlos Beltran, all disabled.
Nevertheless, a win is a win, and well done at that. They'll try to take another one from the Mets tomorrow. Keep the faith.
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Milton Bradley only went 3-3 with a BB
What a bum.
by Mike Martin on Aug 28, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One more note I forgot.
Ramirez’s ball was definitely foul.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, wait. That’s not fair to Gregg, who got Tatis to hit a two-out fly ball that most left fielders would have caught up with. Alfonso Soriano actually did do that, then let the ball pop out of his clove.
FWIW todd hollandsworth said after the game that was a play most outfielders couldnt make
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not.
Soriano had the ball in his glove. Would have been a great catch. I suspect Sam Fuld would have caught up to it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was surprised he got a glove on it
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said....
… Fuld, who is far faster than Soriano, would have caught up to it, in my opinion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one noticed his clove yet?
:-P haha
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just SMOKED it...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I saw that. :)
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by slcathena on Aug 28, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
in your pre-game thread you took the side of Rosenbloom in stating that you think Bradley is exaggerating the claims. One of your posters has a first hand account that shows otherwise.
ce Al
and others seem to think that Mitlon is overexaggerating or even making up these racial claims I want to repost this comment here. This comes from a BCB poster who sat in the stands yesterday
That’s me and I was there.
Section 206 Row #3. Second inning 4 guys in their early 20’s rolled in and sat two rows behind us. The section was mostly empty. Them in row 5, us in row three, rows 2 and 1 were vacant. The 106 Section usher is just in front of us, 10 feet from them.
Three guys were wearing Cubs-ish gear. two of the three had on the “if they lose, we still booze” T’s I can’t really call Cub stuff. The loudest and 4th brashley announced to the others they must suck if they let him, a White Sox fan, find them their seats.
They then proceeded to verbally crap on everyone in the area. The guy to our right in a Michigan jacket is a fag because he wasn’t a ND fan. To Soriano in the field, he needed to hit another wall because he sucks too much to play. To young women walking by, they had special seating arranged for them, To Kevin Gregg he sucked worse than LaTroy Hawkins because he wasn’t supposed to be a closer, etc.
Bradley’s first at bat, they were quiet until he made the out, then he was a horrible f’er who needed to leave town.
Second AB, they were abusive immediately when he strolled to the plate.
During the third AB, The one who had claimed to be a Sox fan yelled that Bradley “deserved to be beaten like Rodney King” for sucking like this.
Did I report this to security. No. The staff seemed fully aware. The usher was 10 feet away and looked at them with every utterance and word Security walked by constantly looking up at them.
Do I usually pay this close attention to a few drunks nearby? No, but I took my 5 year old daughter to her first game.
You could argue none of the comments individually were racist. I’m looking at the perspective if I was an African American man with big contract and believed I was underperforming and hearing abuse like this night in and night out. I would certainly believe there were racial undertones.
That the guy claimed to be a Sox fan is irrelevant to whether Bradley hears these things. It’s just ironic that it’s the reputation of Cubs fans and Bradley’s experiences as a Cub being discussed.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn’t understand
by N Oakley on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see some of you doubters explain that away. It seems no matter what people won’t accept that Bradley IS hearing racist comments either that or they dont care. Prove me wrong.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't disagree with you..
…. that there have been racist remarks made. I’m sure these are not the only ones.
Proving you wrong isn’t the point. Everyone from Derrek Lee to Billy Williams to Lou Piniella have advised Bradley to simply ignore these. He hasn’t been able to do that. He really has to. That’s the point.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
thats a fair position. I don’t agree with it obviously but I wonder why you said Rosenbloom was spot on in his article. Rosenbloom was flat out saying Bradley was making it up which I don’t think any reasonable person would agree with.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply ignore it my arse.
I’ll come to your work and yell at you all day. See if you can “simply ignore it”.
Look, he elected to work in a profession where there are live spectators to his work. I get that. And under ideal situations, i’d agree… grow some thicker skin and blow it off.
But this is different. Bradley is singled out, is hated on harder than players who perform worse and are paid better. And ignoring it, simply letting it go, isn’t a rational response. Why shouldn’t this be brought to light? Why shouldn’t he harp on it till Wrigley security pulls the assholes out of the crowd that are doing this? Tossing a beer at a player isn’t acceptable, even if the players escape it unscathed… why should tossing racist remarks at them be?
The “he’s just making it worse by bringing it up” argument isn’t any good either. Like i said, the impression is that Wrigley takes no action against this. We’ve all been in the bleachers and heard more racist and homophobic comments during BP than we should. Maybe his pointing it out repeatedly will get it the attention it needs so that N Oakley can take his 5 year old daughter to a bleacher game and not feel she’s heard things she shouldn’t.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Also, FWIW...
… the last time i was in the bleachers, i heard somebody shout a dead baby themed joke at one of the white players. I won’t go in to the details, but you only go that route if you are really just angling for shock value.
Honestly, I’m not interested in the racism angle… as i stated in the FanPost that got removed, a racism argument between a bunch of predominantly white, straight, upperclass individuals who’ve never been the victim of hate crime or the derogatory slurs that MB and everyone else who takes the field at Wrigley experience is silly.
But as a whole, filth and bile pours from the bleachers down on to the players at Wrigley, regardless of race, age, talent, achievement level, or jersey color. Maybe Milton doesn’t have the PR savvy to combat it in the best and most eloquent way, but blasting him for doing so or acting like he should just shut up is a just a short step form endorsing the behavior.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
Your point about people yelling bad stuff at white players — and they do — and at Latino players — and they do — proves my point, I think.
You don’t hear about these other players making comments to the media. No, they pretty much just shut up and ignore it.
That’s what Milton needs to do. Maybe he’s not wired that way. In that case, he may be in the wrong business.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand.
If you don’t point out mistreatment, it doesn’t go away on its own. It’s WRONG for these people to be doing this, and it’s WRONG for the players to not fight back.
Stand up for yourselves!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
if somebody started to heckle you at work for being a Jew would you “shut up and ignore it”? Would you be telling Sam Fuld the same thing if people were yelling "You should get the final solutions for sucking so bad! or Kike? I doubt it.
Also, Jacque Jones didn’t shut up, Hawkins didn’t shut up and neither did Dusty Baker. And good for them, this isnt the 1950’s black athletes are allowed to speak out especially vs this kind of garbage.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
final solutions?
gah. that is embarrassing.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point.
No one is saying that racial remarks are acceptable. Read my comments on Rosenbloom’s column this morning for how I feel about this — Rosenbloom is, for once, 100% right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see to me
when rosenbloom writes this “But Bradley’s history and now his dismissive response to questions following his serious charges invite the suggestion that he’s looking for ways to shield himself from his problems, self-inflicted or otherwise.”
Is pretty clearly implying Bradley is either A) exaggerating or B) outright lying about what he is hearing.
Look, we all know racist comments have been directed at Milton Bradley. You said so yourself, why then is the onus on him to tell us when and what he heard? Shouldn’t be enough that he is hearing it? And again please explain why you feel BRADLEY of all people should have to “shut up”about it?
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I thought about this some more.
If I had to hear some things like that about my own background at my job (presuming that my job, like Bradley’s, can come with heckling as part of the job description), I think the better part of valor is turning your cheek.
The people yelling racist remarks — which are wrong in any case — want nothing more than to get a reaction out of Bradley. They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
If he ignored them, this stuff would have stopped. Instead, he calls people out and then, as Rosenbloom wrote:
Racism is serious. If you are concerned or angry enough to put that in the public discussion, then you seemingly should be motivated to explain when and where this happened. How else do you take a step toward keeping it from happening again?
But when Bradley offers only cynicism and sarcasm, he diminishes the severity of the issue. Moreover, he does a disservice to those suffering abuse but who are willing to fight the fight head on.
That’s exactly correct. Bradley is a good player, though not a great one. He’s become a giant distraction. He has to go.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 29, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If ignoring it stopped it, we wouldn't be hearing about it from multiple players.
There is a history of this stuff, and yes MB is probably getting it worse by complaining about it to the media, and yes he isn’t capable of handling it with grace, but maintaining he should keep it to himself (or should be traded, particularly as he’s one of the team’s more productive players at this point) because he’s pissy about the abuse he’s taking is crazy.
N Oakley wasn’t comfortable taking his daughter to the bleachers because of the level of vitriol out there. Some of the things he was hearing we’ve all heard, well before MB started bringing attention to it. If he ignored it, it would continue, through his time here, and on to the next JJ or MB-esque player we have in our outfield.
Don’t think this stuff doesn’t get noticed by other players, including free agents. And don’t think it won’t, at some point, enter some sought after player’s mind that he’s got enough millions of dollars, and he’ll take the slightly smaller deal to play someplace he won’t have to be abused day in and day out.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
No one should have to take it. No one. I remember when you were quite agitated about even a hint of anti Semitism and you were 100% right. The suggestion that some racism should be dealt with by ignoring it and others are unacceptable is a double standard that I refuse to accept.
The fact that Williams and other athletes were able to ignore it does not justify that Bradley should turn the other cheek. The fact that Bradley isn’t as accepting is not a reason to castigate him. Sure, he has issues. Yes, he isn’t as likeable as Ernie or Billy. Tell me, just how much should he have to accept? If security can’t root out the punks who are over the top, then get people there who can. Bradley is part of the Cubs family. As such, I have his back. If he goes into the stands, I’ll be the first to criticize him. If he dogs it, I’ll boo his lazy butt. But I’ll be damned if I ask him to turn the other cheek and shame on anyone who does.
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by tharr on Aug 29, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd.
We do not get to tell other people how to react to racism and personal attacks that are inflicted upon them.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Andrew.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Sue!
I’m headed out to warm up my liver for tomorrow’s game in the bleachers segueing in to a combo of birthday and bachelor parties spread across the north side. Be well all.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I care. Now what should I do about it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides make a "We hate people who make racist remarks to Milton Bradley" group on facebook?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like totally
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
condemn
it instead of making snarky comments about overly sensitive PC police which you do 24/7.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I CONDEM THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE RACIST REMARKS TO MILTON BRADLEY!
(I actually stood up in the office and said this loudly.)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a funny accent.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta protect yourself from the racists
No…wait…
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 28, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im glad
but its weird that you spent the last few days accusing everyone of bringing race into things when it clearly wasn’t there.
Either way, its good to know you and Al acknowledge its there. Having people like you say it will hopefully convince others who deny it.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
That conversation was about another posters comment about Bradley (and it didn’t mention race). I’ve never asserted that Bradley wasn’t hearing racist taunts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor have I "accused" anyone of anything...
except maybe daver of stealing a certain DVD from me.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
you are right. I looked back at the comment I was thinking of and I was wrong.
Apologies.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh, give a brother a break.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look
he’s not gonna return the Winsome Women of Wrigley movie. You need to let it go. :P
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this was addressed in the other thread, but since you're bringing it up again here, I gotta ask
Did Security do anything besides walking by and constantly looking at them?
If not, isn’t that a massive FAIL by the Cubs?
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by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet all those security people are the BCB members that don't believe Bradley.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the part that
really confused me. Especially the Rodney King thing. How could security do nothing about that? Do they really need the extra beer money those morons provided by staying?
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certain things will get you booted...
… because you physically appear to be in the wrong, and there are cameras everywhere, so the ushers / security guys know that their bosses can she the shenanigans taking place and know they must act on them.
In the case of some guy shouting things, its less likely security higher ups notice, its harder to pinpoint who did it, and because of that, less worth the effort of booting the person.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when you consider that ESPN Chicago reported
That people were thrown out for saying “Bradley sucks”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't
believe I am agreeing with this but if that is all the person said then they should not have been kicked out. Weird all around
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always the possibility ESPN Chicago got it wrong too
Here’s that link.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog?post=4427837&name=friedell
Here’s the passage:
In some ways, that statement seemed prophetic. As the day carried on, Bradley continued to struggle. He was 0-for-4 and looked lost at the plate. Between Bradley’s lack of production and his lack of acknowledgment toward the bleacher bums, one fan finally had enough. “Milton,” he bellowed while staring at Bradley’s back. “You suck.”
The plump security guard who had been waiting all day to pounce finally did. He motioned for the fan to come over to the steps so they could talk. The fan looked confused and hesitantly went over to the other side of the section. He walked up the ramp with the security guard while his friends followed behind. Two more security patrolmen arrived, and an awkward discussion unfolded. The security guard told the fan who made the comment to leave.
“Once they grabbed him and escorted him out, I got up and said, ‘Milton Bradley sucks,’ all the way up to the [top row],” Cubs fan Zack Stewart said. “[They kicked us all out] for saying Milton Bradley sucks.”
According to the fans, when the security guards kicked them out, they said, “You can all leave because you don’t support the Cubs.”
That last part would irritate the frick out of me if I was a fan of the opposing team. I live closer to St. Louis than Chicago and no Cardinal usher better throw me out for not supporting the Cardinals.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whooops... quote fail
The last paragraph is mine. Everything else is from the story.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if that story is true and I have no reason to think otherwise then somebody needs to sit down with cubs security and point out that calling for a black player to get the Rodney King treatment IS a reason to kick somebody out. A “you suck” is stupid but not worth booting a guy for.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem will be inconsistency
I can get on board — believe it or not — with cracking down.
But I’d like to see the same standards from section to section or game to game. Obviously, it’ll be a little like umpires and strike zones — some ushers will have a higher fuse — but I’d like to see at least the same “magic words” result in an ejection.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what
the average age of the ushers is? Do some age groups have more tolerance than others?
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 28, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure some do
and some age groups have a different ear for racist, sexist, or homophobic comments.
In other words, there isn’t much difference in tolerance, but just a difference in awareness.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 28, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES IT IS A FAILURE.......
But the minute they take action warch out ( THe Right to free speech ) . It is a very fine line , I wonder what if any training the guards/ushers have on this topic ??
by cubs north on Aug 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Speech
doesn’t shield you from getting booted at a ballpark. A guy could walk into my office tomorrow and start shouting the n word and we can kick him out no problem.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you couldn't if the guy was black.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bleh
i was starting to feel a bit magnanimous to you and now this
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now what? You seriously think you could kick him out "no problem"?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course!
simply because SOME black people chose to use that word doesn’t mean it isn’t offensive or that I couldn’t send a black person saying it out the door. I really doubt the black engineer down the hall would be ok with allowing someone to act like that.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRIGLEY NEEDS A ZERO TOLLERANCE
policy on this type of verbal abuse . Alot of ushers turn and look the other way . Rather then get the real police involved . ( Who really should deal with this )
by cubs north on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that fine of a line...
when speech is blatantly that slanderous and abusive. Nobody has the right to verbally abuse another person. You can’t expect to walk down the street and hurl insults at people without fear of consequences as long as you cite your first amendment rights afterwards.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't support yelling at players but "you suck"
has basically been shouted at almost every outfielder from the bleachers . 90% of it has been directed at VISTING players. You really can’t eject people for yelling " You suck " at Adam Dunn, Manny Ramirez or Milton Bradley. I have to say Dunn handled it great in a game when he had a few of his horrible defensive playes. People shouted " Dunn Sucks" , gave him mock standing ovations. made cracks about his inability to field etc. Dunn smiled and took a bow and then after he hit a home run came out mock cheering the fans. The vast majority of fans are not terribly creative in what they shout at players. I have NEVER, EVER heard a racist remark in the Bleachers. I am sure there have been a few but I simply don’t believe they are common and they surely would be a reason to eject someone.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read the fine print on the back of an old ticket
“Holder… …agrees not to act in a disorderly or disruptive manner.”
Seems to give the Cubs enough leverage to take appropriate action.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To pile on here..
You don’t have free speech at a venue. Obviously, a team can make decisions based on alienating customers - either by being too strict or not strict enough (and annoying the others) - but you don’t have free speech.
Now, if the city of Chicago decided to fine you or jail you for purely speaking, you’d have a case.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no offense to Bradley
I am sure his claim is legitimate, but he should try and keep things in perspective and think about the racial abuse Jackie Robinson and other african american players endured in prior decades which I am sure was far more frequent and the language far more incendiary. Of course even one racial slur directed at Bradley is one too many and should not be tolerated, but has $30 million reasons to be the bigger person and tune it out.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Aug 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no amount of money
should buy off this kind of ignorance.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
“Keep things in perspective” is redic. How about honoring the memory of Jackie Robinson by continuing his fight for equality and fair treatment, including calling out and bringing to light environments that aren’t welcoming to minorities?
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly the point Steve Rosenbloom made, and I agree with.
Bradley isn’t doing what you suggest. Instead he’s blaming the media. He could very easily take the fight that way if he chose to, but he’s not going down that road.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the media
is at fault.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the media
is culpable. They ask Milton a question and he gives his honest opinion. He is then vilified for it.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not.
You & I will continue to have to agree to disagree.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
It’s ok. :D
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The evil media held Bradley down and RIPPED those words right out of him.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to quote
Barney Frank “On what planet do you spend most of your time?”
Lets break it down
Media- Milton do you feel the comments have something to do with race?
Bradley doesn’t deny it and says the reporter should come spend a day in RF.
So what exactly is your beef there? Should Bradley lie and say “No! Cub fans would never say that!” or should he just shut his mouth and not speak out on it?
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and further
Bradley went on record saying most Cub fans have been “awesome” but “a few rotten apples can spoil it”
Its not like the guy blasted every single Cub fans. Frankly, the only person acting rational about the entire thing is Milton Bradley.
by CalCalender on Aug 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, I think, proves the point.
“A few rotten apples”. If, as Bradley says, most Cubs fans are “awesome”, then just ignore the few bad ones.
I disagree with your contention that “the only person acting rational about the entire thing is Milton Bradley”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 29, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My beef ISN'T with Bradley
it’s with people blaming the media.
If you want to celebrate his words, that’s fine. But I’m sick and tired of people acting like his words were somehow coerced out of him.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drew... saying the media is at fault here
All the media can do is ASK you questions. From that point, ball’s in your court
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 29, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you seriously
underestimate the ability of the media to manipulate and direct. They control what you see and read. If a player says something bad about the manager and then says “just joking” the reporter can simply leave the “just joking” off and print the bad thing. And then thousands of people read it, and take it as the truth.
The media has a lot of power, and it is frequently abused to make a story “better”.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but they certainly can ask directed questions, and quote sections that provide a certain tone.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second he stopped talking to the media...
… there would be a fanpost counting the days the evil MB had been ignoring the media.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which has already happened
when he went on his media boycott earlier. Everyone lost it about how “talking to the media is part of it”.
No wonder he’s so pissed off, no one seems willing to give him an inch of slack.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And would you have told Jackie Robinson to keep things in perspective
because of the outright horrors many African Americans went through in the decades prior to his playing?
Really really bad argument.
by the nth on Aug 29, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that you bring up Robinson....
… who had to deal with far worse things in his first year than Bradley ever has as a baseball player… and turned the other cheek to them.
Interesting, the difference in reaction.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 29, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore
Had Robinson made the comments Bradley did, he would have been run out of baseball.
Had Hank Aaron made the comments Bradley did.
Robinson and Aaron didn’t really have the option of complaining like Bradley did.
Or, if they did, they wouldn’t have gotten 1/100th of the support Bradley is getting.
The Cubs should be doing more to stop it, but at some point, Bradley has to know that not every idiot can be controlled and it’s best not to govern your life by how idiots behave.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 29, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are different people
it is extraordinarily unfair of you to compare the two in this manner. Shall we compare Ghandi to Golda Meir? Or Rabin?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 29, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last time I was at Wrigley
I was reprimanded by an usher for sitting on the wall while posing for a picture. I’m surprised that the ushers won’t approach noisy fools like those and in so many polite words, tell them to STFU.
by JFCubFan on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To take the opinion
that just because it appears as though security doesn’t give a rats arse about the cussing isn’t a good reason to let it go. Maybe if N Oakley had approached an usher and said, “Hey man, I brought my kid to this game to have a good time and those idiots are being rude, profane and disgusting.” Something might have gotten done. If good people don’t stand up for what’s right, they can’t expect anything to happen.
The beautiful thing about the first amendment is that we all have the right to tell someone we think they’re an idiot without fear of repercussion (although I can’t remember the last time I called my boss an idiot to her face). So do those guys have the right to be stupid? Unfortunately, yes. Do we have a right to stand up to them and get them to keep it clean? Of course we do.
"Awards mean a lot, but they don't say it all. The people in baseball mean more to me than statistics." - Ernie Banks aka Mr. Cub
by CubsGirl on Aug 28, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That isn't true
You do not have to fear reprecussions from the government — to whit, they cannot jail or fine you for merely speaking your piece (with narrow exceptions such as inciting a stampede by shouting “Fire” in the theater)
But you are NOT free from reprecussion. You can be fired for calling your boss an idiot.
Other parents can refuse to allow their kids to play with yours. You can be kicked out of private clubs. You can pretty much assure yourself the opposite sex will find you disgusting.
You have freedom of speech.
You do NOT have freedom from consequence.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
approaching an usher -
or text security – it does seem like the Cubs are making an effort to help fans to turn in out of control ‘hecklers’ – perhaps that would have gotten those guys ejected
by doofus cubs guy on Aug 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win but.....
Man, that was a brutal game by the offence!!!! Yes they scored the critical runs in the 8th but, these are supposed to be easy wins on this home trip!! I shook my head at the T.V about 20 times thinking and saying, in disbelief, man the Cubs suck.
All this talent, needing a miracle in the eighth, against a bunch of back-ups in the Mets coming off a series loss to the Nats.
16 days left until Bears vs. Packers
by Freddyd on Aug 28, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overcoming 1 run is a miracle to you?
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Aug 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply awesome
16 days left until Bears vs. Packers
Woohoo. :-)
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll apprecitate this then Allie...
now give me back the DVD you borrowed from Daver.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh
thats awesome! :-)
I loaned the DVD to Madison though… good luck getting it back from her!
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is this
Like a Kevin Bacon thing?
Maddie got it from Allie, Allie got it from…..
by tim815 on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance you got that in 1440 x 900?
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
four games in December
all at Soldier field. Insane. :D
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shivering just thinking about it.
Nothing can top green bay the season before last… people’s beers were freezing in their cups before they could finish them. It was still cold after i got home and passed out for 12 hours. I woke up shivering THE NEXT DAY.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it
I was at the Bears-Falcons game in 2005, Grossman’s first game back. I’ve never been that cold (or that drunk…peppermint snapps in hot chocolate will do that).
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine drinking beer outside in that weather.
That’s vodka weather!
by aldimond on Aug 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I work the games, so i'm all hot chocolate, all the time...
… but back at Iowa i used to make alcoholic apple cider before games. No better way to stay warm.
Make hot cider in a crock pot and add mulling spices and either dark rum or bourbon.
Yahtzee.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cinnamon schnapps
is good in hot apple cider too. :D
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you work the games
really. can you get tickets? :D
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concert industry carrer has allowed me...
… to work security to events and venues around the Midwest. I get to do a few cubs games a year, all the bears games, Chicago marathon, things of that nature. It’s pretty great.
No ticket hookup though, unfortunately.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
we were without power for 2 days (saturday night until monday afternoon) so i missed watching the whole game. and it was the first bears/packers game in years i didn’t even acknowledge. No hot water, no electricity, no football… it was a hellish weekend.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That schedule might be wrong ... I'm only counting seven away games.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nine home games, seven road games.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three games.
The second-to-last one is Bears @ Ravens, not Ravens @ Bears
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, can't wait. Go Pack!!
.:: Ducks for cover ::.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Aug 28, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where you at, BleedsbluinMI?
I grew up in the U.P. Is that where you are?
by Blue Heron on Aug 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The U.P., eh?
Ya. Youbetcha…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't hear the "youbetcha" thing up there much, actually.
You must be thinking of the movie Fargo. Eh?
by Blue Heron on Aug 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The black flies are lovely this time of year...
Just kidding. Actually, I love going to the U.P. Don’t get up there enough. Did a week-long shoreline bicycle tour on the east side a few years ago. It was great. No flies. It was July though, so they weren’t ripe yet…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm down in the lower, right across the lake from Chicago
Just have always been a Packer fan.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Aug 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. I grew up going to the Bears game at Lambeau every year.
by Blue Heron on Aug 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to that game in 2000.
Probably the only game I’ll ever see in Lambeau Field.
And before then, I thought Patriots fans were bad.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "bad" please
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like this,
The Packers were losing, the fans were all getting rowdy, they wanted something to happen, and many of them had had beer, which didn’t help things at all.
I put a sign up, and someone behind me said (paraphrasing) “Get that thing down!” I’m leaving out at least two expletives. It was a very bad day all around.
After the fan behind me said that, I briefly did fear for my own safety.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, spare me.
I’ve run into many more rude, drunk fans at Wrigley than at Lambeau.
by Blue Heron on Aug 29, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me, it's Lambeau.
I’ve never had a problem at Wrigley.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had a supposed fellow Cubs fan spill beer all over me on purpose.
I’ve heard that being a Packers fan at games in Chicago isn’t fun, either. All it takes is one idiot to make an experience a bad one.
At least the fans at Lambeau aren’t checking their email every five minutes, like a lot of folks seem to do at Wrigley. The worst thing about being a Cubs fan isn’t the bad play on the field; it’s the Wrigley Experience fans who outnumber the people who actually know their baseball.
by Blue Heron on Aug 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep that up
And we’ll see that blue blood…
by Mike Martin on Aug 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
any wins are going to come easy. But maybe that makes them better.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Packers fan,
But I’m not going to bring that game up. Largely because the Bears are also one of my favorites. A few years ago, when the Bears went to the Super Bowl, I cheered for them.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate the Bears. I reserve that for the Vikings.
by Blue Heron on Aug 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is somewhat on topic...
I’m the same way with hockey. I’m told I should hate the Blues, but I don’t at all. I live in St. Louis now, and really like this Blues team. All my hatred is directed toward Detroit….
by Mike Martin on Aug 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
I hate the Vikings and Patriots (probably because there are a lot of over-enthusiastic Patriots fans here in Vermont).
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. boo Vikings!
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Aug 28, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings are easy to boo normally
With Farve playing, especially easy :-)
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 28, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think,
That’s one thing Bears fans and Packers fans will enjoy doing this year—booing the Vikings.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats one thing my Packer fan buddies and I have always agreed on
purple = boo. :-P
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's looking to be too little too late, but today's game is what I expected of the 09 Cubs.
Not all of the bats are going to hit every game, but putting up 5 runs and getting a good pitching outing is what you want. Soriano and Bradley carried the team, Gregg and Marmol closed it out well. Games like this needed to be a lot more consistent, but it’s still not too late even now. 7 behind the Cards in the loss column with three head to heads mean that they can still do it. I am clinging to a thin tendril of hope, but it’s still there. I really want to like this team…
by DisCUBbobulated on Aug 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano has been trying to play through pain because he feels he needs to help the team
Yet somehow playing in pain is a bad thing. Has he been bad? yes he has, but the guy deserves to be praised for his willingness to play through pain, something certain Cubs players haven’t always done.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he really felt the
need to play when Aramis was out. I think he put so much pressure on himself to perform then.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right, sue
I don’t think Soriano is a bad guy. In fact, he sounds like a really good teammate.
Darned if you do, darned if you don’t, I guess.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Soriano is giving his all out there
Injured and everything he wants to play.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan of Soriano for this reason
I hate that he hasn’t been playing well lately, but he’s doing it in a way that is respectable to me.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on Aug 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darned if you do
Play terrible ball at 80% when a two-week stint on the DL could get you playing at 100% again. This injury dates back to late April – surely there have been two weeks since the ASB when Soriano could have gone on the DL and the team would not have been worse off.
I’m neutral on Soriano (as I am with most players) – I don’t love him or hate him, but if the extended funk he has been in for most of the season could have been avoided or interrupted by a DL stint, then someone’s a fool for not putting him on the DL.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 28, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Piniella gives Soriano too much leeway to decide if he’s in good enough shape to play.
by Blue Heron on Aug 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure that it's something a two week DL stint would cure
was at the game yesterday and he really runs ‘gingerly’ – i bet there’s an operation in the off season and/or if he is shut down for the year – and it will be much longer than a two week recovery
by doofus cubs guy on Aug 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
I think Lou has felt all season that he couldn’t afford to have Soriano out of the lineup. It seems counter-intuitive, but there it is.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most men can sympathize with failing miserably when you put too much pressure on yourself to perform.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 28, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we can...
Wait, just what are we talking about here ?
by Southside Steve on Aug 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
no idea what you’re talking about. * whistles innocently *
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pinella and Hendry wanted him in there too
I don’t blame Soriano for wanting to play — I admire it — but at some point, the bosses have to be bosses.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is another conversation though
It would mark the first time Hendry ever took charge.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about Pineilla?
he is afterall the manager. Soriano may have wanted to play, and as others have said, its commendable, but if Lou knew he was hurting……..and saw how poorly he was playing……..then continuing to trot him out there daily is criminally incompetent
by Illicat on Aug 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire him for it too, if he really has been suffering knee pain the entire time.
However he should be very careful about doing serious, permanent damage to his knee, which could affect him for the rest of his life. I have seen many ex-professional athletes with bad knees, who still suffered when walking 10 years after retirement.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Aug 29, 2009 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Life left in the corpse?
Ouch.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
by EJThunder on Aug 28, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that the corpse of
Soriano or the Cubs?
I was confused.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's life
it ain’t a corpse.
Just sayin’. ;-)
by Cubbiefaithful on Aug 28, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 6 back in the loss column in the WC...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just a phrase.
Hyperbole. Got your attention, didn’t it?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, Al,
nobody here EVER uses hyperbole to make a point .. :P
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LIFE! DO YOU HEAR ME? GIVE MY CREATION... LIFE!

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by katie casey on Aug 29, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
if hendry keeps him because he thinks the other team isnt giving up enough, i will strangle someone
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey AL
who were the 3 girls sitting 2 rows directly down you?
they were cute, especially the one with the orange/red dress
mind hooking me up?
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and they were being naughty at times
i like that
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Aug 28, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry they were with their boyfriends
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 28, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I didn’t know them.
You were there? Why didn’t you stop by and say hi?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasnt in the bleachers
i was next to the cubs bullpen
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Stay Over .500
If the Cubs finish over .500, that will make their third consecutive winning season. They haven’t done that since 1970-1972. Okay, we were shooting for more than that, but you’ve got to take something positive out of this season.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Odds we finish over .500 next year?
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
by Devin B on Aug 28, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you were trying to be positive
but that really depressed me. I knew we’d been awful… thats even worse then i thought.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1980-1983
That period really depressed me. The only not-so-dark spots in those days were the second half of 1982 and the first half of 1983. 73-89 in 1982 was the best record the Cubs had during that dreadful 4-season period. Only having five winning seasons between 1973-2000 was bad.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 28, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Dallas Green took over as GM
traded for a phew Phillies, and we were a good team for awhile. Until just after Dalls Green left and we had “Useless” on the GM’s Nameplate for a spell.
by tim815 on Aug 28, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Green was GM in the 1982 and 1983 seasons.
Just pointing that out. He didn’t produce an instant winner in one year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor Correction
After getting only two runners past first base through seven innings, one of them scoring, the Cubs wasted Ted Lilly’s outstanding starting outing when Kevin Gregg gave up a run-scoring single to Fernando Tatis.
Tatis was credited with a double.
by AlSpangler on Aug 28, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee gets two singles to start off the first inning.
Need a win to keep pace with West Tennessee.
by tim815 on Aug 28, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wholeheartedly agree.
Nevertheless, a win is a win, and well done at that. They’ll try to take another one from the Mets tomorrow. Keep the faith.
I remember how my college track and cross-country coach used the phrase “keep the faith” at important times, when things looked bleak. As a freshman I thought it was an awkward phrase for running as running is black-and-white. You train and you run certain times; there’s no debating. You know precisely who is better, and worse, than you. But it makes sense. Just like this year’s team. We know there’s load of talent on the 2009 Cubs. There’s little logic to their dysfunction. All we can do is watch, wish, and keep the faith.
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by Mr Snrub on Aug 28, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
.....

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
by Goodie1969 on Aug 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for John Smoltz to remember he's 42
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Aug 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget about NL Central
Just get to 5 back in WC by Sep. 1st. Giants and Rockies play againts each other, it is actually possible if Cubs win next 3.
If we can be 5 back by Sep. 1st then to me, the team is not out of it until mathematically eliminted.
by ak123 on Aug 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no offense
but we could be 2 GB and it would be hard to get excited about a team that makes multiple fielding and baserunning gaffes per game. I mean we won despite ourselves today. A baserunning blunder, four terrible plays by the outfield, Theriot airmailed a routine throw from SS that Lee was fortunate to still make a play on…This is not a good team and it just ain’t going to happen this year. Sorry.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Aug 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theriot airmailed a lot of throws last year
this isnt a new occurance
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because Hope is dead in DC
Don’t kill it here!
by Mike Martin on Aug 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know its a giant possibility
But once I lose that hope, then I can’t enjoy September and I want to enjoy their final month. It’s the only time they come to NY for the year and I want to think they might still be in it some how.
by ak123 on Aug 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, it's still possible. Unlikely, but possible.
Bring up the I-Cubs and turn ’em loose…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
The Cubs have a four-game series in late September in San Francisco. That could be a big series any way you look at it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Bruce...
as a “spoiler”.
That is the ONLY way it might be “big”.
And not to the Cubs.
by The E-Man on Aug 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably, E, probabaly
But the truth is, neither one of us knows the answer to that question.
That’s what makes sports so great. Until the games are played, you don’t know.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies were an embarrassment...
…to themselves tonight. Early in the game, Uribe hit a sky-high pop up about five feet up the third base line off Jimenez. Jimenez, the catcher, and the third baseman were all standing their watching it, got about two feet from each other, nobody called it, and it dropped between them all for a double.
It’s a good thing the Giants have pitching, ‘’cause their offense looks more anemic than the Cubs’ has.
Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.
by LeSaboteur on Aug 29, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why
The Giants might be a team Cubs actually could get to if they have patient at-bats. Plus stars could be aligned and we might not face both of their aces.
by ak123 on Aug 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing.
Cincy is beating up on the Dodgers, 3-0 in the bottom of the 5th
Padres beating Florida 7-3 in the 4th
Natinals and St. Louis 0-0 in the 2nd.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Cincy is just coming off
a sweep of the Brewers in Milwaukee.
Indeed, baseball is a funny game.
BTW, it’s 1-0 Cards top 3.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How buried, actually,
does the team have to be before you realize this crap-ass team will not be winning the Division, and throw in the towel with the quote, “I, Not Bruce Froemming, believe that the 2009 Cubs team will NOT win the Division, or win the Wild Card” ?
by The E-Man on Aug 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about Bruce.
But I’ll say it the day the Cubs are mathematically eliminated from contention. If that happens.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh-heh.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak for NBF, but
It will take mathematically eliminated before I say that. Why are you here if you don’t have any faith?
by Mike Martin on Aug 28, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, guys
You both said it better than I ever could.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now it's 1-1
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check the results for the poll
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow that's utterly ridiculous
I’m not particularly a fan of Bradley, but 9% more people think he’s a bigger problem than the offense as a whole?
by Illicat on Aug 28, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats wierder
is 14% think the starting pitching is the problem
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously 14%
haven’t actually watched them play
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 28, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cracks me the hell up.
Lets say for the fun of it you’ve got to draft a team to play a 7 game series over the next week, wherein the drafting loser of the series dies. This series starts tomorrow, so tonight you’ve got to choose your team. You can build the team as you wish, but you MUST pick 5 non-pitchers from the current cubs roster as of this moment to play as a part of your team. They will continue playing tomorrow with the same momentum, injuries, whatever else as they ended today with.
Who do you chose? No chance you skip Bradley, and that is IF he makes it out of the top three. In fact, filling the 5th spot after you’ve got Rami, DLee, Dome and MB is hard… Theriot i suppose.
How the HELL could anybody possibly choose Bradley over “offense” in that poll? And seriously, who is voting “starting pitching”? Why is that even an OPTION?
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might take
Baker over Riot.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid is always an option
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
by Allie on Aug 28, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you take an obvious clubhouse cancer?
Bradley would do nothing but make comments which would drag the rest of the team into answering irrelevant questions from the media during the 7 game series. I predict your opponent would have you on the guillotine after Game 5 if you picked MB as one of your Alltel My Circle.
I suggest a non-controversial alternative, to keep team chemistry strong. Fontenot or Miles would be ideal picks in this regard.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 29, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles?
I hope you aren’t serious.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda figured throwing Miles in there
Would be a dead giveaway that the entire post could be thought of as the absolute opposite of serious. Either I’m still being too subtle or your sarcasm meter is slightly impaired.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 29, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm meter super impaired. Blame the rum & pineapples, it was all that was in the crib.
But i did decide i want to get a dog. Maybe a puggle. I might try to find this one. He’s raw.

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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he/she is adorable
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would look good in a Hawkeyes collar, no?
:-)
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an Illini dog if I've ever seen one
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see no signs...
… of that dog only being accepted as a puggle due to knowing somebody in the admission office. :-)
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and ryan freel is now a ranger
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
his fourth team already this season
that’s got to be approaching a record
by Illicat on Aug 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a record.
It is held by:
Mike Kilkenny, 1972 Tigers/A’s/Padres/Indians
Dave Kingman, 1977 Mets/Padres/Angels/Yankees (one team in each of the 4 divisions at the time)
Dave Martinez, 2000 Devil Rays/Cubs/Rangers/Blue Jays
and now Freel. And he’s got a shot at getting to the playoffs with Texas. Weird season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 28, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Farney along for the ride
does it count as 8?
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 28, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting.
so is he a clubhouse cancer?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is...another
Dan Miceli, 2003 (Colorado, Cleveland, Yankees, Houston).
by Jody Jody Davis on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Micelli DFA'd by all three previous teams, though?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nats up 2-1
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
woot!
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now its tied
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Pujols wins it with a leadoff homer
in the ninth.
Why bother pitching to him?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure...
but atleast the lord and savior of baseball has another HR to his credit
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's the lord and savior?
I thought it was DeRosa.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
derosas the second lord and savior and matt hollidays the third
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering where Holiday came in to this.
Game, set, match, life!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he always comes into it
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals'
modern-day holy trinity.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i had photoshop skills
i would create a photo worthy of their praise!
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I've got some skills there
I’m thinking more along the lines of a modified Last Supper, though…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Aug 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unbelievable.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 28, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colorado loses
we are 6.5 out of the wild card. I was so wrapped up in the fact that we are 9 out of the Cards, that I forgot about this. 36 left. Interesting. Huh. Well, at least that is more interesting to follow than pre-season football.
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"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Aug 29, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 5 back in the loss column in the WC.
Slightly more than a month to go. As silly as this may sound, it’s do-able.
Maybe that’s what this team needs: for people to start ignoring them in favor of other fall sports. Then they sneak into the playoffs on the last days of the season and make a miraculous run through the playoffs to meet the Tigers in the WS.
BUZZ…BUZZ…BUZZ…BUZZ…(bedside alarm going off)
“Time to get up!”
(You never know. Until they are mathematically eliminated, I’m not throwing the towel in completely…)
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Aug 29, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning is cool, and (taking a sip of my Koolaid) we shall overcome the 9 games!!!!
Or the 6 ½ games for the Wild Card.
Or just play well for the last weeks of the season.
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by eths on Aug 29, 2009 3:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's to hoping that this is the start of Soriano's long awaited hot streak!
That would be so awesome.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 29, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the first 100 or so comments in the Thread
about fan behavior. When the beer-dumping incident happened several still photos were circulated on the Net. One in particular had about 100 fans in the photograph. What I immediately noticed, and then really scrutinized, was the apparent age of the ‘fans’ in the photo. I counted 1 fan, a guy who appeared to be maybe 40, who I thought could be beyond their 20’s. It appeared the vast majority were under 25. Further, a pretty good percentage of the folks in the picture had a beer in their hands.
It appears to me this may be more about a bunch of ‘kids’ (I’m 51) who’ve created a ‘Sport’ of headin’ to the Bleachers to drink and scream at ballplayers. Could this be the case, or is this behavior prevalent thruout the Ballpark? Do folks along the baselines scream at Bradley & others non-stop too or is this really more of a Bleacher phenomenon? Following the situation pretty closely since the beer-dumping incident it seems to me this is more about a bunch of young partiers wantin’ to show off & be the center of attention than it is a legitimate critique of Bradley. Thoughts?
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by Cardsfansince62 on Aug 29, 2009 7:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
I’m speaking specifically about the fan behavior at the ballpark, not general opinion of Bradley.
I'm a Baseball fan first, Cards fan 2nd.
by Cardsfansince62 on Aug 29, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's part of it, absolutely.
I wish that type of attitude would stop, but as long as the Cubs don’t discourage it by not having enough security and not tossing the people who are doing this, it will continue.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Aug 29, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know for sure because I don't usually sit in the bleachers,
but I get that same impression that it’s a lot of young partiers. Of course I’m….um…39….yeah that’s right…..and the fans are looking younger and younger to me and more and more like punks everyday.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Aug 29, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've sat in the bleachers quite often over the last few years
and I have gone to numerous basketball and football games at major universities. There is a difference between the crowds. Sit in the student section at a Big Ten basketball game, and you’ll hear today’s typical college speech: “I was just goin’ to my f-in class and this guy f-in texts me that he needed the f-in check TODAY or I would be f-in in the s-hole with him.” I don’t hear as much of that in the bleachers. The crowd there is a little older (early- to mid-20s) and drinks more. In the first few innings, it’s a lot of “hey, look at me, throw me a ball” kind of stuff, as well as sexual jesting with or about others in the bleachers. 8-10 beers later, it’s “You f-in suck you piece of s” yelled at either the opposing ballplayer or the home player, if he made a bad play. If I’m there, I’m usually with my sons, and they’re somewhat inured to the verbal diarrhea due to their having been in the university setting with me. But they comment on the decline in humor and increase in volume as the game goes on. I have, at times, turned around and gestured toward my kids, which usually results in the loudmouth’s friends elbowing him to calm it down because “there’s kids here.” The mean comments and out-of-control yelling don’t happen at the college events, because there’s little to no drinking in the stadium.
My takeaway? This is something the Rickets need to address with additional security and instructions to ushers and security. Signs should be posted throughout the bleachers that “Excessive, profane speech will not be tolerated. Enjoy the game and let others enjoy it too.” Publicize it, set a new standard, and people will be able to adjust their behavior.
One other note: a minor tragedy of the bleacher fans’ behavior is that it sometimes drowns out classic taunting. It is fun, and not offensive to anyone, when a whole section starts chanting the opposing fielder’s middle name, or shouting “left, right, left, right” as he walks slowly back to his spot after chasing a foul ball. Knowledgable fans can toss off some great barbs in the moment, attacking the player’s fear of the wall or known proclivity for partying. I hate to lose that in the humdrum volume of the drunken show-off. But such is pro sports today. (I’m 46, by the way.)
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by zambranofan on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i totally agree
I think you hit the nail on the head, zf. The “solution” is a combination of action by the Cubs organization and collective reprimand by other fans. Cubs management needs to make it very clear that they will not tolerate racist, homophobic, and other hate speech in their venue, “The Friendly Confines.” Fans can help by collectively speaking out against these jerks and embarrassing them in front of their friends. And security will notice when other fans publicly air their disgust—if you’re not a part of the solution, then you’re a part of the problem. I hope the Ricketts become a part of the solution by very publicly implementing some simple “Rules of Civility” that any bigot can understand, regardless of their personal feelings. Post them where everyone can see them and start ejecting those who can’t conform their conduct. And hopefully those bigots will elect not to return, since they are not the kind of fans we want in Wrigley anyhow.
by DCCubsFan on Aug 29, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a great time in the bleachers yesterday, Al!
I will see you in New York next weekend.
Jessica, thank you for the ticket!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Aug 29, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Here is hoping Demp pitches as good for you today as Wells did for me this year on my birthday.
Now you know that Al is not making it up that I read or look down during the “scary” parts.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB posters and racism
I only check into BCB from time to time, but the comments in this post are very encouraging. It seems like an initially hostile conversation about racism and heckling has resulted in a general consensus. Even posters I rarely agree with (Worf, for example) are standing up on this issue and displaying disgust for the things shouted by a vocal minority at disliked black players and latinos and even at some of the white players.
It looks like Milton Bradley’s calling attention to this issue has actually provoked an open discussion with potentially beneficial results. Unlike the times before when Hawkins, Jacque, Dusty et al. were disregarded, in the end this is being taken seriously. Hopefully the dirtbags who yell this sort of nonsense (like the rodney king comment or the dead baby stuff) will be promptly castigated by fans in the area and hopefully thrown out by security. Cubs security has bigger fish to fry than someone who says that a player “sucks.”
by Weapon.X on Aug 29, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Security, i don't count on or mess with...
… and i say that having been in their position many times. Nothing is more annoying than a tattle tell. If somebody is doing something obnoxious, and you want to catch them at it and boot them, you can do it yourself, without other fans ratting them out.
That said, i’m a big proponent of telling those obnoxious fans to shove it when i’m out in the bleachers. Generally, the ones doing the talking are showing off for their little group, not considering the 40,000 other people sitting around them. Surprise them with a poor reaction to their shenanigans (and show them up to their friends) and they often reign it in.
I hope other fans will do the same.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And, reply fail.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(dying laughing)
np, Andrew. And I agree, being shown up by other fans usually is a better deterrent. It usually also earns some support for the person telling the obnoxious fans to blow off from the fans who’re more hesitant to be the first to speak up. There are still times, though, when I’ve also been hesitant to provoke a confrontation and regretted it immensely later. Being aware of it now, I think/hope people will take more initiative on this in the future. That’s why I said, more or less, I think Milton Bradley’s comments have been a good thing for us going forward.
by Weapon.X on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound like you have more muscles than me
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it.
I’m not a big dude. 5 foot 6, 160ish lbs.
People tell me i have a calming effect. Its probably more about that than being big, at least in the bleachers. No fight there is ever going to last more than a few seconds.
I don’t generally roam by myself at Soldier Field though (when i’m working there, as security). Takes longer for help to arrive than it does at Wrigley.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than me too.
But draw your own conclusions…
6’0" / 168 with an unknown percentage of body fat.
lol.
by Weapon.X on Aug 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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