At Last, The Truth About Alfonso Soriano: Cubs vs. Mets Preview, Sunday 8/30, 1:20 CT
by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintThe information about Alfonso Soriano buried in one paragraph of this Sun-Times article today absolutely floored me:
Soriano injured the knee in April when he hit the outfield wall going after a ball. He has had treatment for months without complaining, but his mobility defensively and running have become increasingly affected. He has gone through some of the longest hitting slumps of his career -- including going without a home run from July 29 to Friday, when he hit a game-winning, three-run homer in the eighth inning.
He hurt his knee in April?? And they didn't do anything about it then? Those of us who have been saying since at least mid-May that Soriano didn't seem to be running well either in the outfield or on the bases were, apparently, correct. Why he didn't go on the DL for a couple of weeks in May -- when he was slumping and the team wasn't playing well -- and fix this problem, so he could be at full strength now, is absolutely mystifying.
And further:
Soriano admitted he hasn't been able to put weight on his left knee, "but I don't want to just watch games -- I want to play," he said Friday. "It's August. We only have one month left [in the regular season]."
I suppose you have to give credit to a guy who wants to get out there and help his team. But playing on a bad knee isn't really helpful, as we have seen by Soriano's play the last three months (with the exception of that three-week hot streak he had in July). If the treatment he can get along with a couple days' rest can get him out there and hitting again (as well as not dropping easy fly balls), great. If not, that's another mistake made by management in 2009, not getting Soriano's problems fixed three months ago.
Anyway, let's sweep this series. No matter what it ultimately means, and no matter how injury-depleted they are, it's always satisfying to beat the Mets.
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Nelson Figueroa is a New York City native who was originally drafted by the Mets in 1995. He was traded to the Diamondbacks in 1998 in a deal that featured Bernard Gilkey. Then he was involved in the deal that got Curt Schilling to Arizona from the Phillies. This is all to tell you that he's 35 and been around a long time. He is 0-4, 4.40 in nine career appearances (four starts) against the Cubs, the last of those being on April 22, 2008 at Wrigley Field. Aramis Ramirez is 4-for-9 with a double and a HR off Figueroa.
Carlos Zambrano has made eight career starts vs. the Mets and is 4-1, 3.76. He got hit pretty hard by them last September 24 in New York, but a lot of that damage was done by a grand slam from Carlos Delgado, who, along with $90 million worth of his teammates, won't play today. This would be a really good day for Z to step up and be that "ace" the Cubs need him to be.
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Is it wrong for me not to like Soriano?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
I give him credit
but I would have preferred that he got it fixed back in APRIL! As we saw a 65-80% Sori wasn’t worth it.
The sun will shine in '69
We complain bitterly about players who remove themselves from the lineup with a hangnail. I agree that Sori’s decision to quietly continue to play has ultimately hurt the team, but let’s give the guy some credit. The Employee he’s not.
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
he's done this before
in late 2007, he started taping his wrists. Anyone remember that?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Jake Fox should start in left
for the rest of the season. Sori can PH and his “you can’t see me” bit will come true.
Sylar
is pitching for the Mets? Uh-oh. :P
So what’s the projected fix for Soriano NOW? What are they gonna do? Cortisone shot? The MRI showed no damage that needs surgery to fix. If his bat really is back — and he needs to play to show that — how do we get him in the lineup?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Am i correct in beliving...
… that today is your birthday?
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
you are indeed, sir.
I don’t feel a day over 40. Unfortunately, I’m 39. :P
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday!
I think the cubs should give you a sweep. Just an idea.
Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
that would be
very nice. :D I thought about posting a birthday wish list, but…
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm. I have foot callouses that are 39...
You’re a young pup!
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
Happy Birthday Drew!!!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Happy Birthday
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Aug 30, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
Caps are obnoxious. =P
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Aug 30, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Frankly, the whole story seems fishy to me...allow me to elaborate :-)
1. Even the little league managers I had wouldn’t play me if they knew I was injured, and especially if I was hurting the team by sucking.
2. If I thought I had a bad knee, I sure wouldn’t play on it until I knew for sure that continued play wouldn’t make my knee worse. Did Sori do that?
3. Have they found anything wrong with his knee with the MRI?
4. Could this be an excuse for Sori’s poor play, like “my dog ate my homework”?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
It does sound that way.
Lou had an excuse to play Fox and Fuld because of an injury and they wait for 3 months to do it as the season goes down the toilet. If he is hurt he should be sitting. He has had one decent game in a month. And even then he couldn’t field. What has he done this season do justify him starting of Fox?
You don't take superstars out of the lineup.
Duh.
(Sarcasm alert).
by cubsforever on Aug 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree...
…something isn’t right here. Look at Lilly, he had his knee scoped and was back 3 weeks later. If things were this bad, I have no ideas why they wouldn’t have done what was necessary back in May to get this taken care of properly.
This makes no sense what so ever!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Sori
It does sound pretty selfish.
by If we only had Hubbs on Aug 30, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
what is the management doing?
I commend Soriano for playing hurt but a couple months of sucking won’t change your mind? This team is hard to understand.
COOL BEANS!
Jimbo's bad year just wont end....
….its been obvious to most he has never seemed right at the plate or the field for long stretches this season.
What even more frustrating that we had a good replacement for Sori in May, Jake Fox but Jim dragged his feet getting him up here too.
let's keep in mind
that if Fox had become “the” replacement for Soriano, Fox wouldn’t have been able to play at third when Rami went down.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
It took a Long time for him to replace Rami
We watched Fronty struggle along with Sori. Of course this was set up by the earlier DeRosa screw up.
exactly....Fox should have been up to replace Rami too
….regardless, Fox should have been up long before he was.
He was only hitting .420
Not good enough. What was worse was him not playing 3B in the minors after the injury. Don’t prepare him or anything…..
even Jake Fox
can’t play two positions at once.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
I’m just saying. If you’d pulled Fox to play in Soriano’s place, that’s a lot more Fontenot at 3rd, and Miles at 2nd. I wonder how the Freel DFA would have played out in that situation…
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
id take a few more weeks of fontenot and inches if it meant soriano was healthy
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
me too.
like I said below, I sure wish we could have a better accounting of how this all actually shook out.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I know we didn't
but if Fox had become the replacement LF, we would have had Fonty at second MUCH longer, and a lot more Miles.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone remember
When everyone here just said he was slumping and let’s keep running him out there so he can hit his way out of it?
The sun will shine in '69
yeah but a lot of people said
if soriano was actually injuried, sit him down.
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Aug 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I do remember those calls as well
Anyone wanna say “I told you so” to anyone specific?
The sun will shine in '69
why would we want to do that?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Many of us said it
It is too easy going after the ones making excuses for Soriano. Not worth the time.
YES !
but to oo one specific , well OK maybe Drew. I kept saying over and over something was physically wrong with him and I thought it was his leg. Ironically his refusing to admit might have helped Fuld make the team because is Sori had been honest, Hendry would have been out looking for a full time replacement . I don’t think they would have gone for Fox in April. I get trying to play hurt and I blame the Cubs more than Soriano for this. They should have been able to see it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The announcers yesterday
said that Lou admitted he messed up by not letting Fox just play everyday when A-Ram went down.
I'm trying to figure out which game he injured himself....
Article doesn’t necessarily say it’s at Wrigley.
He didn’t miss a game in April.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
I think they are making excuses
What team would let him linger and slump for 3 months if he is really hurt. Especially with better options.
Well, what if Fonzie didn't tell them?
Said that he was “fine” and kept going out there? Maybe the injury has just gotten progressively worse as the season has gone on? To me, he really hasn’t seemed to be “hobbling” until the last couple weeks.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The article said he's
been getting treatment for months so they had to know.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
One would think so
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
I can't remember either
I can’t remember any time Sori has gone hard into that side wall (that usually isn’t his “style”). DeRosa comes to mind later in the year, but not Soriano. Anybody remember the event?
I seem to remember a player crashing into the phone box in the bullpen
Not sure if it was last year or this, but this may have been Soriano
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
That was DeRo when the
Cards played here.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Someone last week
said the April 22nd game.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
The key words are
He was getting treatment.
That means management should have known he was having a bad time.
I am sick of people saying Soriano lied, or covered up.
It is the height of hypocrisy to expect players to play hurt and then blame them when they do. I spit on you.
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“I challenge you to a duel!”
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 for the historical reference.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Or maybe he WAS "fine" in April when it happened....
…and it got progressively worse.
I think to a certain degree all ballplayers “cover up” a nagging injury to stay on the field.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
OK-If he isn't hurt or not telling them
Why play him? He hit like .170 as they fell out of the race. He is playing because he makes a lot of money. If he and Fox made the same who would be the starter?
he is playing
because when he’s on, he can carry the team, and you can’t tell when he’s going to be on.
I really wish that people could understand that you don’t sit your way out of a slump.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't play your way out of a knee injury either
That’s what this is about.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Correct Worf
How would a knee get better by playing on it. Wow…..Of course he should have been sitting.
except
that the supposition was that he WASN’T hurt. At least part of the supposition in the comment I’m replying to.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
theres a difference between being in a slump
and playing on a gimp knee
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
"He had treatment for months"
But if this is a situation where one 15-day DL stint would have gotten him back to 95% strength, then it’s pretty stupid that he kept playing on it. Rest, heal up and come back strong.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Last I checked...
players don’t put themselves on the DL
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I get that
but it’s an organizational decision and it’s about communication. I’m sure they had a conversation and Sori said “It’s good enough to play.” But when he sunk into an extended slump, you have to re-evaluate that decision.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
He was getting treatment
Did Lou and Hendry not know he was getting treatment? Did they ask the doc?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
how could they not know?
the team doctor doesn’t report to the manager?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
Maybe he was getting treatment and was having a thing where it looked like it was going to be fine then he’d have a setback.
Maybeknowing how much the team needed him he pushed himself too hard and wasn’t completely honest with Hendry and Pinella on how bad it was,
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
FOX AND FULD EVERY DAY TILL THE END PERIOD END OF STORY
by cubsgocubs on Aug 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It only ends once everything else is just progress.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fox
Fox every day Fox every day and twice on Sunday. Want to get him as many ABs as possible.
We need to get as much info on him as possible in order to make decisions in the offseason,
I think Fuld is a 4th or 5th outfielder Fox can be a corner outfielder. Meaning if Bradley is gone he could be an option,
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree completely
He reminds me a lot of Moreland. The positions, the way he seems to be clutch, the way he carries himself. You never heard bitching from Keith and while he was not the most graceful player, he got the job done.
Just curious....
not trying to start an argument, sincerely just want your opinion…
what have you seen (or not seen) about Fuld so early on that already tells you that he’s not going to be a really good Leadoff/CF Kenny Lofton/Brett Butler/Lenny Dykstra type??? (reaching back there)
have you already seen limitations in his game or his physical build that tell you he isn’t likely to blossom?
i just go back to lofton… he was a small guy, but he took us to heaven’s door and was in the playoffs everywhere he went
Lofton
could hit?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
there's no indication
at least not yet, that Sam Fuld can hit.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am talking about Fox playing everyday.
Fuld can field much better than Soriano, but hey, even you might be able to. If Soriano is not hitting he is terrible because he brings nothing else to the table.
I think he means Fox for 7 innings
and Fuld to replace him in the 8th and 9th to protect those leads. Fuld should get a start once
or twice a week for Dome or Bradley but if the Cubs have a lead or are tied the OF should ALWAYS BE Fuld, Dome, Milton at least until RJ is back.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou and Hendry KNEW Soriano wasn't right
and simply believed he was still the best option, especially when Ramirez went down.
There is no way in hell he makes the executive decision to get treatment on his own.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The rosters expand this week
Once Blanco and Scales come back, Miles should just go home because every AB is a waste. Anybody particular you guys want to see up?
Hoff and a SS named Darwin Barny
I would like to know if he’s can hit MLB pitching cause he’s a plus SS in th field.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see colvin at the big squad as well
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, too early on Barney and Colvin
Barney has only had a little over a season hitting with a wooden bat, and he needs to build on his success, not get dominated by ML pitching. Colvin was recuperating from injury and rebuilding his swing this season. He should play in the AA playoffs, then go get some rest and come back ready to hit next year.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Miles is to Lou what Neifi was to Dusty
they are in love
This is on Lou and Hendry
AGAIN. They knew he was banged up, why not DL him early in the season, get him healthy. Sure Sori wanted to play, good for him, but this is where management has to step in and put him on the DL to get well.
Jeez I hope Lou knew that Sori was getting treatments.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
per yahoo starting lineups (of course they were wrong yesterday on Rammy)
R. Theriot ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
M. Bradley rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
D. Lee 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292
A. Ramirez 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .330
K. Fukudome cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
J. Fox lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
M. Fontenot 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .227
G. Soto c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .215
C. Zambrano p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .245
everytime i see theriot lead off
i cry a little
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually they weren't wrong
Rami was supposed to have the day off but got put in the lineup after Baker got hit in the pinky during BP
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
The one good thing about this
Is it gives me more hope he’ll rebound and 2010 will be more like 2008 for him after an offseason to recover.
Okay assuming they’re all Cubs who do you all think in order will have the best 2010?
Bradley
Soriano
Soto
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Actually
Am I the only one who thinks unless during this rest they win 4 in a row and get seriously back into the wc or even division race it’s time to put Soriano out the rest of the season to not risk making it worse?
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Ramirez
I’d also think about doing this with Aramis. Even sending him to the specialist to make a final decision on that surgery they talked about. Even though the tightening up surgery would make him ready for spring training why not if they decide to do it give him the extra month to give more time for a possible setback?
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
rammy said he wasnt going to have surgery but a shoulder conditioning program
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not get it started a month early?
I’m sure I’m not the only one who would take a few less wins this year if it meant Soriano and Ramirez were healthier and better in 10.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't
play it safe when you’re in contention.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I should say not today but if they are really dead by mid week or so it’s time to think 2010.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Sunday
if we lose eight straight, then, probably we’re out for the season, yes. But it’s the Mets today, and then the Astros… I don’t think we’re out of it.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what we said about the Padres and Nats
The Cards are doing what a good team does to the Nats.
I seriously doubt the Cubs can catch the Cards
but the wild card isn’t completely hopeless. So….I still hope.
"I f***ing hate the Eagles, man!" - The Dude
by teacher tom on Aug 30, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the Cubs did go
5-2 against the Nats this year …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
the time to pull key players
is when you’re mathematically eliminated. Till that happens, you play Rami, and you at least spot-play Soriano. Fox is a nice backup, but he’s a backup. Fuld is a nice backup, but he’s a backup. Hopefully, they can manage Soriano’s play a bit better, get him some real rest, treat the problem.
I’d sure like an accounting of how this knee thing shook out.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure Fox is a backup.
I think his hitting is starting-caliber; defensively, not so much. If we had an open 1B spot or played in the AL I would be open to letting him play 5-6 times a weak.
by cubsforever on Aug 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
You refer to Fox as a backup
because he has outplayed the guy you have been making excuses for. Right now Fox should be playing everyday in LF.
right now
Fox should play till Soriano is rested. We don’t go to the playoffs on Fox’s bat. We could go to the playoffs on Soriano’s bat.
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Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
How long do you wait?
Fox is hitting, do you go back the slumper after a couple of days? How does that help?
his bat has carried us no where all season
but let’s hope it suddenly provides a spark. At least I get why you don’t think Lou should be fired.
OT: peavy is experiencing tightness in his pitching elbow
i find this awfully funny
Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!
by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
When the Cubs who have signed clinically dead players in the past take a pass partially because of injury worries the Sox should have thought twice.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano
Well… on a positive side, if he has been hurt this whole season, then his decline may not be as age related as many feared. If he gets healthy, he should be able to put up some good stats again next year… i hope… really…. I really hope…
What I find sad
What I find kind of sad is how much I know about the Bears this year. How into the Bears early on I am is largely dependent on the Cubs. IF my life depended on telling you aboujt the early seasons of the 84, 89, 98, 03, 07 or 08 Bears I’d bedead.
On the flip side because of the 06 Bears the 07 Cubs spring traing snuck up on me.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
but don't you see? Soriano will MAGICALLY turn his entire season around and start hitting
it must be true, because the fact that he’s simply having a terrible season(thanks to a knee injury the club refused to address) just can’t be possible
Big Z today...
… do do his best impression of 9/14/2008 Big Z.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Weather looks cool with a definite breeze blowing in from left
or so sez Wunderground
Go Cubs!!! We need this win!!!
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Ugh, its like Lovie Smith is running this team too.
Why would they conceal his injury from the public for this long? And the spin they are now throwing out about how they would have DL’d him, but Fonzi just wanted to play so badly, is a pathetic cop-out. The buck stops with management on that issue. I respect Fonzi for wanting to play regardless of the pain, but that’s why you don’t let players tell you if they’re ok to play. I’m with Al: if the evaluation was that the injury wasn’t healing, and was causing his slide, then the responsible grown-up thing to do is put him on the DL and let him heal.
They've been saying this the last few weeks.
I’m surprised Al wrote that this is new information.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Aaron Miles is optimistic with 35 games left...
heard on the WGN radio pre-game show
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
I'd be more optimistic if he could land a job in advertising to free up a roster spot.
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Maybe we can smuggle Hendry a cake with a shank in it.
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by AndrewJStone on Aug 30, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
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You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Excuse my language
but fucking fire Lou and Jim the day after the season ends. This has been the biggest circus of a season I’ve ever seen, and it all boils down to horrendously inept management from our two top guys.
The roster management, and lineup management have been absolute jokes. So Lou admitted that he was wrong not to allow Fox to fill in for ARAM right away, and rectified that by basically relegating Fox to once a week playing time once Hill went down, because they didn’t want to call up another catcher.
As someone else said, if Soriano has been getting treatment for his knee since April, both Jim and Lou knew about it. Lou pretending he didn’t realize he was trotting out an injured Soriano every day is simply beyond ridiculous.
Holy god, I thought I wanted Lou and Jim fired before. If one or both are not fired, I just don’t know what I’m going to do. I’m tired of getting kicked in the nuts by this organization, simply because they know they have incredibly loyal fans who will bend over and take it.
Jump
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
JUMP!!!
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/30/1007404/first-pitch-thread-cubs-vs-mets#comments
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Hello from Okinawa
Around the historical midnight here in Japan – still warming up and play ball soon?
All I can say is who is managing the team?
The players or Lou?
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Sorry-ano
let’s get this correct….just last week Soriano said winning 2 divisions in 3 years is not bad…so he quit with a month to play…last week he said his knee was not the reason for his bad (hitting) year….last week he said he refused the DL early in the season….when Von got here Soriano told him he had no “knee problems”, Von said that in a radio interview…i heard it…
now he says his knee has been bothering him all along…he says it affected his running in LF and bases….funny what was his reason the last 2 years for not running in LF and bases?….now he says he wants to play cause we still have a month left…..isn’t it odd that right after that 2 of 3 statement, after he quit his knee hurts and he needs to sit…..if he’s hurts and i have my doubts, he and lou shold have taken care of it long ago….another of Lou’s many mistakes this year…..
and which is the real Soriano? can we have some honesty here?
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