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Bullpen Shines, But Too Late; Cubs' Offense MIA In 4-1 Loss To Mets

The good news for the Cubs today is that their much-maligned bullpen threw 5.2 innings of one-hit, no-walk, five-strikeout ball.

The bad news is all of that came after Carlos Zambrano -- who had "mechanical" problems again according to Lou in his postgame news conference -- gave up eleven Mets hits while recording only ten outs with 75 pitches. Some of the hits were ground balls that just found holes, but that was enough for a rather dull 4-1 loss to the Mets on one of the only afternoons all summer when there were no clouds in the sky, despite the game-time temperature being reported at an April-like 57 degrees. (The upper deck facing the wind wasn't nearly full at game time and emptied out early.)

Z also had velocity problems as he only threw a handful of pitches over 90 MPH as measured by the Wrigley Field pitch speed indicator. Now, that may not be 100% accurate, although I have found it to be pretty close in the several years since it was installed at the top of the upper deck. But if he's got both mechanical trouble and he's throwing only 89 MPH fastballs, is that an indicator that he's still hurt?

The Cubs had plenty of chances to score runs today, too; they had a run within the first four batters of the game and could have broken the game open against Nelson Figueroa. Now think about that name again -- Nelson Figueroa, a 35-year-old journeyman who came into the game with a 5.40 ERA and zero career wins vs. the Cubs. And he struck out nine in the first four innings. What's up with that?

Star-divide

The one occasion on which the Cubs could have come back into the game was with two out in the fifth inning, after a Ryan Theriot single and Milton Bradley being hit by a pitch. Derrek Lee ran the count to 3-0 and it appeared Figueroa was rattled. Instead of taking 3-0 and maybe getting on base, or even taking a 3-1 strike, forcing Figueroa to throw more pitches, Lee flied to right to end the inning. There were quite a number of instances of players swinging at first pitches, including Aaron Miles' latest awful pinch-hit AB (a lazy fly to left on the first pitch), and several of Geovany Soto's AB. Lou also said that he's going to give Koyie Hill the bulk of the playing time the rest of the way. That's not to say that Hill is a great player -- he's not -- but right now he's hitting more consistently than Soto and he seems to have the confidence of the pitching staff. Soto can get in shape over the winter and try to win his job back next spring.

What more can be said? The hanging-on-by-a-thread playoff hopes still hang, as with 34 games remaining the deficit in the wild-card race is six games (at the time I wrote this; if the Rockies hold on to their lead on the Giants, it would be 6.5 games). There's still time, but it is growing short. A winning streak comprising at least the rest of this homestand would be helpful; at the very least it would include a win over the White Sox, something that's always pleasant. The division title is pretty much a foregone conclusion to the Cardinals, who are now 10 games ahead and have a magic number to clinch of 23.

Just beat the Astros tomorrow and go from there.

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"Humbug" is the word you are looking for...

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Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

YW...

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Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought...

…the 9th had potential for a comeback, until Fox decided to hit a Roman Candle.

Would Fonzi have been able to get that ball that turned into a triple? I dunno, but it seems like it should’ve been cut down; instead, Foxy pulls a Manny.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 30, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

That ball would have eaten up most fielders.

Slicing away with the wind cutting it down to the ground even faster. While Foxie may have played it better with more experience, it really was a moot point when the “O” only scores once…

Have the Cubs won a game 1-0 this season? Just wondering…

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just checked

Nope.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't think so. Wonder how many years it's been since that happened? Has it EVER for the Cubs?

Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been a really long time since it happened for the Cubs.

One year. They didn’t have any 1-0 wins last year, either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. I would have sworn they had one last year...

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last 1-0 game I can think of

is the game Marquis threw against Pittsburgh in early 2007. IIRC Soriano led off teh bottom of the first with a homer.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the last one.

The only CG shutout the Cubs have since that game is Z’s no-hitter.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

With this pitching staff, isn't it strange that they are that infrequent?

Sure seems like they should happen more often…

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes and no

with how often every manager used the pen, based on charts, pitch counts, projections, etc

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really...

… the way Lou uses his bullpen. He seems physically incapable of letting his pitchers go 9 innings.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

but most managers are that way now

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didnt say all

most. Texas has been a team in the past that either had hitting or pitching, but never seemed to have the two at one time

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs have three shutouts this year.

Scores: 4-0, 7-0 and 12-0.

They are 15-19 in one-run games; only two of those wins are by the lowest possible score other than 1-0 (2-1).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And how many times have the Cubs been shut out Al? More than 3 times, that's for sure...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 times.

Enough of that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really!

Hard to believe with our hitters…

Just wait until the warm weather of Summer gets here and the bats start heating up!

…oh, wait…

…nevermind…

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

move the home games from WF

to Austin, TX. Its nice and warm here

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you have "Austin City Limits" too!

I’d love to visit Austin someday…

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is one of many live music events here

and 99% of all bars have live muisic nightly.

Austin City Limits
South by Southwest
bat Fest
etc……

www.austin360.org

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The link doesn't open for me...

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

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by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

DOH

try this one

http://www.austin360.com/

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice. Thanks.

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gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

THEY ALSO HAVE SOME OF

the best BBQ restaurants in the entire country . ( Most are very casual and does include music ….) Just to get your mind off the Cubs …..

by cubs north on Aug 30, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

100% Agreed

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Austin also has

quite a few Cards fans here, just FYI. And Tim, you really oughta be a little more forthcoming to the folks. It’s not “warm here”. It’s freakin’ HOT, scalding! 67 – 100 degree days so far this Summer, 2nd hottest Summer ever. Been here 25 years and wouldn’t ever live anywhere else again (born & raised in Peoria). But it’s not warm, it’s Hot. :-) We’re also the largest metropolitan area in the US w/out a major-league sports franchise. Move the Cubbies here and I’m immediately a season-ticket holder.

I'm a Baseball fan first, Cards fan 2nd.

by Cardsfansince62 on Aug 31, 2009 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

More than that...

…they tend to make crap pitchers look like the 2nd coming of Sandy Koufax.

Also, it’s almost a given, when they score double digit runs one day, they will go to sleep the next.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 30, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of a "mail it in" effort today Al-

at least the parts of the game I was able to watch. Too bad. I had hoped for a little more fire to complete the sweep.

Z was disappointing- again. Is he TRYING to pitch his way out of town? It makes one wonder…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

The continuing failure of this offense remains the problem

The Cubs should have won this game. Soto, Soriano, and Fontenot are all suffering from injuries, bad luck, or both. That is why this team sucks and that is why this is such a failure.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Sooooooo, can Harden be traded WHILE he's pitching?

Because it is a 7:05 game.

And my other question relates to this:

Now, that may not be 100% accurate, although I have found it to be pretty close in the several years since it was installed at the top of the upper deck

Are there any “true” speed guns? Or does everybody just think the opponents’ is jacked up to scare the other team or to impress home fans? I’ve never used one of these things, but it seems to me that every time one is brought up it is because it’s improperly calibrated or fixed.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

players ahve been traded during games

and puleld out of the line up before. Pirates did it this season

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and spelling is mot my friend sometimes

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

not even

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Buechele - Danny Jackson trade was during a game

I was at the Pirates-Reds game when that happened (July 11, 1992). That game started three hours late due to very little rain (Marge wanted to have her dogs run on the Astroturf for an hour or so apparently). It looked like the GMs didn’t want to stay up all night waiting for that game to end. Steve started the game in the field for the Pirates, but was yanked before he was to bat in the 2nd. I jumped for joy when the put the trade info on the video board at Riverfront Stadium as we all wanted Jackson gone by then.

by Qixotl on Aug 30, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pirates did it this season.

They made LaRoche leave the dugout when he was pulled, when we wanted to stay and watch the rest of the game

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 1998...

… the Rockies were playing the Cubs @ Wrigley on July 31. The Rox pulled Ellis Burks out of the game in the 6th inning. I said to my friends in the bleachers, “I bet he’s been traded.” He had been, to the Giants.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, honestly.

It “seems” pretty close. But that’s anecdotal evidence from me watching it for several years, nothing more.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the gun at Comerica Park was jacked a bit until I saw the 3 game series against the Cubs in June.

I sat behind home plate for 2 of the three and I can say that Zumaya’s pitches were coming in over 100mph (104mph was the highest posted pitch speed with several at 103mph).

His fastballs had a high pitched whine as they crossed the plate and I’ve never heard that coming from a pitched ball before. Kind of scary when you think about it…

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard on the radio

that the deadline to make a deal is Noon on Monday.

by azjazzman on Aug 30, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noon, what time zone?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad we Lost

Don’t want Hendry holding on to Harden and Heilman because he thinks we have a chance. Time to shut down some players. Get ready for one last run next season before this team gets really really old.

Time for Big Z to go have eye surgery and get that arm right. Then onto a intense physical training program.

Time for Sori to go to w/e it takes to get back to 100%

Time for Rami to go get that shoulder surgically repaired.

Time for player’s that could potentially help next year’s team to showcase their abilities and for the others to gain some trade value for us.

Most importantly it’s time for those who don’t wanna give up hope, embrace the reality of the situation and get on with it. The one phrase I’m used to as a Cub’s fan- “Their’s always Next Year”

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most of the time I would agree

But we have players who need medical attention by all accounts. No need to wait. That will give all in need ample time to get ready for a big run next season!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Dan.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course you are!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I can never be happy when we lose. Rec’d.

Game, set, match, life!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 30, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know that one

I do know THERE’S always next year

sorry, i had to with my mispellings above

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd prefer to keep trying until there is no mathematical chance and then go ahead and get that work done. At this point what's another three or four weeks?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

dood

glad we lost? That stinks.

There’s no way any of these guys are going to go under the knife while there’s still contention to be had. THIS YEAR ISN’T OVER YET!

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the guys in question

Z,Rami, and Sori are under contract for awhile. They have nothing to lose by going ahead and getting their respective problems fixed for next season. The season is cooked!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, it's not

Colorado just lost. We made up two games on the Wild Card in this past three days. We play the Giants for four more games. We are absolutely still in this. We are NOT ready to give up.

NEVER be glad when we lose. This season is NOT OVER.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the best pitching staffs

In the majors! It’s over Drew. I don’t like it one bit but it’s over!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

except

for the part where it’s not.

Is it likely? Of course not. But there’s still a chance. You do NOT put three of your top go-to guys under the knife when there’s still a chance. It’s terribly baseball strategy. It signifies surrender.

It.
Is.
Not.
Over.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I know this argument will go on because were not mathematically eliminated but can you get real for once Drew?

Sori seemingly needs major surgery i.e. hami and/knee, Rami needs shoulder surgery, Z needs eye surgery and he’s not right at all. I wholeheartedly believe from his last two starts, he’s pitching with an injury that could only get worse. This will give them ample time to get ready for spring. No need for them to go out and make bad injuries worse or career threatening.

As far as Harden goes we can keep him and take the 2 type A’s or trade him for a player(s) that equal more than that. With his injury history no way should we resign him. I doubt he would take a paycut either. If whatever their offering is worth more than 2 type A’s, Hendry’s gotta pull the trigger.

As far as Heilman goes dump him for nothing or meaningless prospects or just w/e. As long as he gets off this team!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

soriano doesnt need hamstring surgery

and rammy is not having shoulder surgery

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing

cubsluver22 isn’t a GM. In fact, he doesn’t sound like much of a cubsluver (or Cubs lover, for that matter).

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing

NBF isn’t the gm, the players would never do any wrong.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't they say

today he has inflamation on his knee? You don’t do surgery for inflamation.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

And what eye surgery does Zambrano need? Lasik, I assume?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he was going

to have last off season but then didn’t.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It couldn't hurt

But I don’t think Zambrano’s eyes are his problem.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they would say that

They will never tell you the exact extent of an injury.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sori definitely needs something

An offseason wasn’t enough to get it healed. These were the same injuries that hindered him last year. Get the Hami’s taken care. Get the knees cleaned up or repaired or whatever it takes to be a productive Sori.

Whatever it takes for the entire team to go into Spring 2010 in shape and at 100% I’m all for it. No better time to start than now!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC, this was the first time

in 23 years the Cubs began the season with nobody on the disabled list. Where did that get them?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about what happened this year at this point

I care about getting ready for 2010. I want all players to be 100% healthy and in shape

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so they don't

upgrade baserunning and other fundamentals.

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh

Sori hurt himself in April. The offseason had nothing to do with it.

You’re making huge assumptions that you have no evidence for. And the right time to start is AFTER we’re eliminated, not before. NO SURRENDER MONKEYS.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano has had the same set of injuries

for 2 seasons now. I’m assuming Rami popped his shoulder out of socket and would have had surgery if not trying to salvage the season? I’m assuming Big Z needed eye surgery before the season and didn’t get it done? Drew were d-o-n-e get over it!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez said he will not need surgery in the offseason on his shoulder, but instead will add a shoulder workout to his winter routine.

“It will be a lot more work now, less time to play with the kids,” he said of his upcoming offseason. “I’m going to have to put a lot of work in this offseason. I’ll do whatever it takes. I’ve never had surgery, thank God, and hopefully, I’ll finish my career without having it.”

"I've gotten to this point. I'm not going to stop being me. Koyie Hill told me if I ever change, he'd kick my [backside], and I ain't trying to get a foot in my behind."
--Milton Bradley

by SydKyd on Aug 30, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

In a word, no. Your facts are incorrect, why should I believe your analysis?

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 31, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

what?

the MRI showed no significant, surgery-necessary damage on Sori’s knee. Rami is specifically talking about a work-out regimen, NOT shoulder surgery. I presume Z is getting Lasik, and that’s not something that takes a long time to recover from.

You do not pull key players from the lineup for surgery when you are still contending, and we are certainly doing that.

I offer Harden two years for $20 mill, and see if he takes it. If he doesn’t, offer arbitration. Then we get the draft picks.

The season is not over.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offer Harden what????

He’s hurt all the time and will be another year older. I’m glad your not running the team.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

everyone on this team should be 30 y/o or over

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

he won't take

the $20 mil for two years. But he’s certainly worth it, and will probably get a MUCH bigger deal.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 31, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

No he's not

He’s not worth the 8 million he’s getting paid now!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 31, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday Drew!!!

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's his birthday?

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Aug 30, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

everydays his birthday

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it is.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

this isn’t exactly what I wanted for my birthday.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, you guys.

It was a quiet, but nice day. Except for the loss. And the Bears are salving my pain.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Zambrano Act

is growing very tiresome…deal him to the Orioles in the offseason for Brian Roberts (solves the 2b problem, frees up big $$) and re-sign Rich Harden.

This team needs an offensive spark plug…to stop the offense from being what hit has been all season…offensive.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 30, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

If not Roberts, sign Figgins.

He’ll be a free agent, and the Angels apparently aren’t likely to retain him.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Figgins could be quite useful.

However. He will be 32 in January, and his principal asset is speed. That’s usually the first thing to go. So — if you go this way, do NOT sign him to a five-year contract.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always liked Chone Figgins

But if Mike Sciscio Don’t want ya, it raises a red flag in my mind.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus it's a GREAT baseball name...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about the speed...

…and you know some idiotic team will give him a 5 or 6 year deal.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 30, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

hah yeah

….

wait…

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does that say about the sanity

of 8 year deals?

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Aug 30, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt maltimore would

take Zambrano and his contract, we would need to eat a lot of it

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

baltimore

i am really off today with typing…

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no, I'd like a chocolate maltimore about now... ;)

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

sweet

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is pathetic that Geovanny Soto's entire season has been eaten away.

What a waste of a perfectly good sophomore campaign; I can’t believe the guy gained so much fat that he’s been rendered useless from March into September. His BAbip is the only reason I can think he’s been fat, horrible, and horribly lucky in 2009. If it wasn’t for his decent June, his stats would be Aaron Miles level incompetency.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 30, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

The very definition of the "sophomore slump".

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

or smoking pot

like a sophomore have anything to do with it?

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, thats to blame.

Pot inevitably and without a doubt turns you in to a lazy, unhealthy person incapable of succeeding in day to day life, right?

Follow me on twitter @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Aug 31, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

i pray

it isnt the definition of one year wonder

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, this is probably the best thing that could have happened to him

Everything went great for him in 2008 and unless there’s some undiagnosed and/or hidden injury, I think he simply just got fat, dumb and happy in the offseason. “Look at me, look at my numbers, I’m RoY, I’m a stud, the women love me…” etc. etc.

This season ought to be a far far better wakeup call for him than any amount of mentoring, coaching, scolding, etc. he could possibly get from Lou, coaches and rest of the team. Obviously what he does next will be crucial to both his and the team’s success. If he continues to coast, then better for the Cubs to find that out in Spring Training and take the appropriate actions.

However, I think Soto is sufficiently embarrassed (on a professional level) that he will do something about it during the offseason. I’ll be very surprised if he shows up to Spring Training looking kinda chunky again.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree Ballhawk

If this season is not enough incentive to get in shape and have a solid 2010, nothing is.

I am one of those " Stuck in the 70"s guys". When there was no X-box, I-Tunes, computers, gameboys, UZR's, OPS, WAR's and Aluminum bats. Just baseball all summer long.

by Grockcubs on Aug 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed 100%.

And if he does, the Cubs should trade for a catcher immediately.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think getting caught on the weed charge also deflated him

but what a keen disappointment his 09 season turned out to be. I want my stud back!

by Emelie on Aug 30, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the weed

charges did bother him. I hope he comes back strong next season.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pshaw...

he’s going to return to his career norms, dontcha know?

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 30, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get so irritated that we have a sophmore catcher who got busted for weed in the off-season...

came into the season fat, and has absolutely sucked all year, YET all most do is bitch about Bradley.

by smash! on Aug 30, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time for the Soto free pass to end

He is the reason Fukudome can’t hit leadoff right now, he is the reason the bottom of our lineup is so horrible.
Soto being the player that he is capable of being means we have a run producer hitting fifth (Soto) and the ideal hitter at the top of the order. It also means Ryan Theriot hits at the bottom of the lineup making that stronger.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

chance he was a one year wonder?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally I don't think so

He may never be as good as he was in 2008, but right now his BABIP is at .249 for the season. His career BABIP is .315. That is one heck of an unlucky season.

If Soto gets back in shape, stays off the weed, and commits too it there is no reason he can’t be an elite catcher next season. His injuries IMO came because of his weight and lack of preparation. When he was healthy in June he put up a .916 OPS.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope not also

but for a few years he looked like a bust in the minors. He had a good 2007, and a break out 2008. I sure hope this is a soph slump, and nothing more.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 30, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if his babip

were average (.290), it would only have produced another 9 hits this season. I remember last year he went to all fields. This year he seldom goes the opposite way. I pray he can come back like the 2008 Soto. His fall off this year hasn’t been truly acknowledged as significant.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Aug 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well if his luck improves

and he gets in shape (still the key IMO) I think he can bounce back.

It doesn’t change the fact that he is one of the main reasons this team failed this season, and his own laziness is to blame.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

This team lacked a sense of urgency all season.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Aug 30, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

All fields?

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?c_id=chc&playerID=434567&statType=1

I’m just looking at Wrigley because you can’t view everything together. His fly outs in both seasons are all over the diamond. This year more of his ground outs are to the pull side than last (although he’s grounded more to the left side both years the trend looks stronger this year). But his hits this year look quite evenly scattered, while last year more were pulled.

by aldimond on Aug 31, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

I went to Baseball Reference and made some calculations that might be of interest. Last year he pulled 32% and this year it is up to 35%. Last year he had a HR in 1/10 flyballs. This year it’s 1/13. Last year he hit line drives 21% of the time. This year it’s down to 16.7%.

But most significantly his BA on line drives is down over 200 points from .810 to .606. While everyone might make different conclusions from the above it says to me that his power is down. His fly balls are not carrying as deep and his line drives are not hit as hard which are allowing the fielders to make plays on them. Last year 1/10 balls in play were doubles. This year it has dropped to 1/15.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Aug 31, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soto is a catcher

I’m very disappointed with Soto seemingly spending his off-season smoking pot and being fat and out of shape for the season. What’s most important is for him to be a catcher first and foremost. That’s where fans are asking too much. Whatever offensive production you get from that position is a bonus and should not be counted on but like I said I’m still very disappointed in his overall effort he put forth.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not when you build your team thinking you have a stud offensive catcher

Joe Mauer’s offense isn’t a bonus, neither is Brian McCann’s. Jorge Posada, Bengie Molina, and Victor Martinez too.

Soto is part of making this offense elite. That is the way this team is built.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team was built

Around 4 supposed “elite hitter” in Sori, Bradley,Lee, and Rami. I expect much more from Soto than this year but it’s unfair to expect Mauer production from him every year. Catcher is a defensive position 1st and foremost. The players you named are freaks of nature. Maybe Soto will rejoin an elite group like that when or if he gets in shape but expecting that is where a fan is “wrong”

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soto was one of those freaks last season

and damn right he should be expected too be one of the elite hitting catchers in the game.

If anything Bradley should be replaced on your list with Soto. Soto was much more “elite” at his position than Bradley was coming into the season. I don’t expect Mauer production I expect Geovany Soto production which he showed us is among the elite for catchers.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's not left handed

I don’t think Dome would be hitting leadoff if Soto was doing better. Lou wants his lefties split up.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 30, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Lou’s an idiot about that, but you are right I guess.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 30, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think it's time to skip Z's next start?

He’s either hurt or ineffective or both. He’s had a pretty bad 2nd half (ERA of 4.85, WHIP of 1.692, K/B of 1.35, and I don’t know if his Baseball Reference page has been updated to reflect today’s start) when he’s been healthy and maybe skipping a start isn’t the worst idea. Right now he’s simply infuriating.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

What the hell's the point.

The season’s about over. Skipping one start, skipping the last 4 or 5 starts for Z, seems like small apples to this guy.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Aug 30, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it will be a wake-up call

It probably isn’t easy to motivate a guy whose making millions if he isn’t a self-starter. Maybe taking away playing time will do the trip.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Giants just took the lead

Renteria just hit a grand slam in the 7th, the Giants lead 6-5

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Update on Col/SF game.

Renteria just hit grand slam, SF leads 6-5 in 7th.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

We 'ain't dead yet folks...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 30, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I'm inclined to scoff you...

…no, we aren’t.

But the margin for error after splitting six games with two of the worst teams in the NL is essentially nothing.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm under no delusions

but as long as you’ve got a chance, why not take it?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

5.5 games behind SF/Col...

… four in the loss column. Presuming the Giants take over that lead, if you can gain one game a week until the series in SF… well, then, you’ve got a real shot.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

+Steve Winwood

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 31, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

roll with it?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Aug 31, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if you're

Still in the game, Valerie.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 31, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

now it's 9-5

the Rockies have imploded

by LT on Aug 30, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone help me understand the timing on the waivers process?

I know that as a matter of course, most GMs put their entire teams through waivers after July 31. Makes it easier to judge interest, keeps doors open for possible trades, etc. Let’s say Jimbo took the weekend off (Aug 1-2) so he didn’t get started on the waiver submission process until Monday, August 3. I can’t imagine it takes very long to submit 25 names to MLB, does it?

Now with 30 teams doing all this at once, I do imagine there’ll be a little bit of red-tape processing on MLB’s end. But I have to believe at some point in early August, teams can start to look at who’s been put on waivers and put their claims in if interested.

Here’s what I don’t get. Rich Harden was supposedly claimed last week, on Thursday if I read right. That’s August 27. So what exactly was happening from early August until August 27? Is all of August just one big waiver list review period? Seems like there ought to be some sort of “submit your claims by ____” deadline so they can be processed and awarded accordingly.

What am I missing?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

There's a Deadline

For being playoff eligible on a respective team!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood, but that can't be all of it.

What if Colorado decided on Friday that they do want Harden? Obviously they’d be too late because he was claimed on Thursday by Twins. So is Aug 27 the “deadline”? That seems way too late in the process. Plus, I’m pretty sure some other players were claimed before the 27th.

I also recall something about once a claim is awarded, the original team has 10 days to either revoke waivers; simply let him go to the claiming team, or try to work out a trade with the claiming team. Harden being claimed on the 27th doesn’t come close to allowing that 10 day window before the Aug 31 playoff eligible deadline.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

but I would guess the teams could file for some sorta extension with the league office.

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

When a player is claimed off waivers

The two teams involved have 2 business days to conduct the transaction. Therefore, if Harden was claimed at noon on Thursday, the Twins and Cubs have until noon Monday to get a deal done.

I would suspect that the Thursday before Sept. 1 is probably the busiest day of the year on the waiver wire.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 31, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok, that helps clarify the timetable once a player is claimed, but what about leading up to that point?

There’s a pecking order for waiver claims, right? I think it’s reverse record in the league of the player being dropped, then reverse record in the other league.

So in Harden’s case, the Twins didn’t claim until Thursday, the 27th. What if Yankees (better record than Twins) had put in a claim earlier, I dunno – say on the 20th. Would the Yankees have then gotten that two-day window to conduct the transaction with the Cubs?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope our big guys make comebacks next year.

We need to have them pitch and hit to their abilities and maybe have some luck too. We haven’t had much good fortune this year. I guess I’ve given up on this year even though there’s still a chance. Things just haven’t went our way and with all the injuries continuing it’ll be difficult to stage a comeback.. I’m still hoping though.

However, I’m running out of time with this my 57th year as a Cub fan. I’d like to see a WS once before the clock runs out.

by Saratoga on Aug 30, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Fontenot's botched play ...

I didn’t see most of the game. But I caught a play where Fontenot broke the wrong way on a groundball in the second (third?). The ball got through for a hit on what should have been a DP to end the inning. I believe the Mets scored two that inning — and they shouldn’t have scored at all.

I’m not sure what Baker’s status is — and I know he was hurt yesterday. But IMO, Fontenot blew this game on that play. And “LBR,” like Soto, needs to sit a lot the rest of the way.

by elgato on Aug 30, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Whatever the opposite of a "revelation" is

that’s been Fontenot this season.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

How about “dismal disappointment.”

by elgato on Aug 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't forget - a "revelation" can be a bad thing too...

but if you really need a different word, how about “exposure”, as in Fontenot’s been a real exposure this year. Not syntacticly correct but rolls off the tongue nicely.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that

consider that line stolen

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

We scored 1 run

against a well below average pitcher. Our offense failed us again as it has done all year.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Aug 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bob B. mentioned that play.

He surmised that Fontenot maybe didn’t pick it up soon enough. It was strange looking at the play when he went to his left and the ball was going to his right. I don’t think it cost us the game. Fontenot is doing the best he can, but as has been said a million time here, he may not be an everyday player.

by Saratoga on Aug 30, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't question effort

of any of the Cubs. Even Soriano, IMO, is trying hard. But there’s no “may” about it. Fontenot isn’t an everyday player — and I don’t think he’s even up to being a platoon player.

Why don’t you think it cost us the game? Assuming the Mets still score twice in the next inning, the game is only 2-1 — much easier to come back from.

by elgato on Aug 30, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fontenot is doing the best he can

thats awfully bad then

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not addressing you specifically

But I’m tired of Soto and Fontenot getting a free ride despite AWFUL seasons when Soriano and Bradley get booed constantly.

by elgato on Aug 30, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley really hustled on that infield hit he beat out

he could have just stopped running when the soft line drive was seemingly an easy catch for the second baseman. I was impressed how he hustled.

by Saratoga on Aug 30, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giants win..

now tied with Rockies for WC.

by LT on Aug 30, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Good

Those four games the Cubs are playing next month in SF are looming large, regardless of what the Cubs’ status is by then.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

We picked up two games on the wild card leader in 3 days. That’s not a bad weekend at all.

Hopefully we can go 3-1 to finish out the homestand and go from there.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup Yup - not bad all things considered

Let’s regroup and see what we can do against Houston. If we can pick up 1 or 1.5 games each week, we’ll be right there at the end of the season. Sometimes we forget it’s still August. Not for long, but September has a LOT of baseball yet to be played…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Aug 30, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it's a pretty favorable schedule for the Cubs

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way...

…if the Cubs don’t make some noise against this slate of teams coming up, then they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs in the first place.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

No reason for them not to make noise.

I’ll say this: The White Sox certainly haven’t risen to the occasion. 1-6 on their road trip, with three games in their house of horrors in Minneapolis coming up. Can’t wait to see Hawk’s head explode in the Dome.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sure why they are getting rid of the Dome

sure, it may suck as a facility, but the Twins have one of the best winning percentages in baseball at home, and their team is perfectly designed to take advantage of the quirks their.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see

how the Twins are affected by playing half their games in a “normal” ballpark again. You’re right, that team is tailor-made for the Dome. But it is a horrible baseball facility, although it didn’t seem quite as bad my last visit there (just before the ASB) than it did when I saw the Cubs there in 2006.

I just can’t believe the new place doesn’t have a retractable roof. Summertime in Minnesota is beautiful, but April and May can be awful. And should the Twins play in the postseason, October can be an issue, too.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember reading somewhere

that the average April temperature in the Twin Cities is 32 degress, about ten degrees colder than both here and Milwaukee, because there’s no lake effect.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Aug 30, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rich Harden weather?

Seriously, I don’t want to deal Harden unless we get a nice batch of players back.

Heilmann, let him go. Any talent in return a bonus.

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

and heilman for kung fu panda

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not...

…watch the Panda’s little “dance” before each at at bat, no matter how much the crowd eats it up.

I want Schierholtz, not that it’ll ever happen.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

well hes a fat catcher that can hit

we need 1 of those

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can catch.

The Giants, however, are utilizing him at the 3B.

The current backup, Whitesides, is doing a decent job in calling the game. He can’t bunt, though. On Friday, they tried to do a squeeze; cat on third ran, bunt was a flare back to the pitcher, and they doubled the runner up.

Pitch was easily in the zone, but jerked the bat up, instead of down.

I would look elsewhere for a catcher if Geo doesn’t put it together. Victor Martinez looks to be free after this season. BoSox do have a club option, so we’ll have to see how that plays out.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 31, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

I have my tickets and Cubs gear ready to go. Probably will need a hard hat as well.

wccubfan

by wccubfan on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still I believe Fontenot is doing the best he can

Lou keeps putting him out there and if his best isn’t good enough then the Cubs have to decide that, and either trade him or send him back to the minors. I guess what I’m saying is that Fontenot may not be major league caliber. All you can expect is a good effort. He can’t control his level of ability. He may have reached his talent peak. I just don’t think we should condemn someone who doesn’t have as much talent as we as fans would like.

by Saratoga on Aug 30, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

We need this guy for 2009

Crom laughs at your four winds.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Aug 30, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

There's your left-handed power.

How is he in the field?

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Aug 30, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't be worse

than Milton Bradley lmao

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He became king by his own hand

I’m not sure about the other stuff.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Aug 30, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will nitpick one statement of Al's

I do not think that it is automatically a bad idea to swing at the first pitch. The pitcher may show a pattern of throwing some tasty meatballs on the first pitch, and if so, that is just one more thing to take advantage of.

In general, patience is a better idea, and will pay off more often, but first-pitch hitting is sometimes a good strategy.

That said, I didn’t see any of this game, caught a little on Gamecast, so I have no idea whether those first-pitch swings were stupid.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 30, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

It's purely a judgment call

You can’t always swing at the first pitch, but you can’t always take the first pitch either.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Aug 30, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough.

However, in the situations today, with Figueroa already running up a pitch count north of 80 by the fifth inning, maybe taking a few pitches would have got him out of the game earlier.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 30, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not?

You can do it if you’re a substandard offensive team and getting into a team’s horrible bullpen increases your chance of scoring enough runs to win a game. Unless a team has a great starting pitcher capable of going deep into ball games and a bullpen that can survive going for more than 2 innings without showing a soft spot… then taking as many pitches per at bat is decidedly the way to go.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 31, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what the scouting report is for...

…to determine how you are going to game plan against a pitcher. If he’s a guy who doesn’t walk guys and pounds the strikezone, nothing wrong with being aggressive.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 30, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a Clemente nut from back when

It is said (though now they probably have figures for this kinda stuff) that he took the pitch 90% of the time. But when he swung, it was what he wanted, where he wanted it.

That seems like a decent approach to me. And he was a legendary free swinger.

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was a bad dude...

…as Dusty would say, and the reason I wore #21 through college.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 30, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

but first-pitch hitting is sometimes a good strategy.

ryan theriot agrees completely

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

reply button?

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Aug 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

it vanished..

Theriot is not clutch, he's double clutch!

by jesus christos on Aug 30, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler being loudly booed.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Al Michaels line

The crowd is one collective jilted lover.

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

that made me laugh.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think each and every fan needs to look deep within

and say, “What more could I have done?”

Clearly, this season has been a failure of fandom.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 30, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait

This season isn’t over, so says NBF and Drew. We have about a .05% chance, don’t need to be looking ahead just yet! sarcasm

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Christ

You guys need to get a room someplace.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 30, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

if I would have made more (and better) Fanposts, Aaron Miles and Geo Soto would have hit better

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent. You have taken the first step

Had I been just a bit more encouraging, I’m sure Zambrano would have done his crunches.

But something changed in 2003. I just didn’t want to be as encouraging. I mean, I could have held Nomar’s groin together in 2005, but I just didn’t care enough.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Aug 30, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

That seems like a “world’s worst job”

by tim815 on Aug 30, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could have wore...

My blinders like some and refused to see any negative—everrrrrrr!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Mia Hamm would have appreciated that

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 31, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I'd made more money...I threw away so much money. You have no idea. If I'd just...

This car. Government would have bought this car. Why did I keep the car? Ten wins right there. Ten wins. Ten more wins.

This pin. Two wins. This is gold. Two more wins. They would have gotten me two for it, at least one. One more win. A win, man! For this.

I could have gotten one more win…and I didn’t! And I…I didn’t!

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Aug 30, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

but hold on

Were only 10 games out in the NL central and 5.5 in the wild card behind 4 teams. sarcasm

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

…is there a place in Hell for riffing on Schindler’s List?

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Aug 30, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there is

I’ll be sitting next to Jerry Seinfeld, who did it first.

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Aug 31, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tribune quotes

“We’re in the middle of a pennant race. And I pitched OK, I didn’t make too many mistakes, but it looked like [the Mets] came ready to hit.”
Carlos Zambrano 8/30/09

“You can see the bullpen did an excellent job with the same [Mets] lineup.’
Lou Piniella 8/30/09

by AboutTheCubs on Aug 30, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly...

…Z looked like he was pitching batting practice out there for a couple of innings. I’ll bet Higgy didn’t even get hit that hard when he was tossing BP.

Zambrano worries me big time, and this will be the third year in a row where his ERA has climbed, K’s are down and walks are up and that ain’t good. When you factor in he appears to be injury prone now, you have to wonder what he will be like the remainder of his contract.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 30, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z and Harden

Time to figure something out —

Cubs put Harden on waivers — some club claims him and they try to work out a deal.

Z has been nothing short of disappointing all season. There have been an awful lot of games where we just sit back and wait for an inning like the one in today’s game. Just take a look at the season and you will see that this has happened way too often.

Z is not a #1 starter. Maybe for another team but until now, he has not shown the consistency required of a #1. Sure there are times when he shows signs of being that #1 guy but not often enough for a true #1.

I fully understand the past history of Harden and his physical problems. But Z has surpassed him this year.

In my mind, it is absolutely ridiculous to throw Harden out for a couple of prospects. Prospects are what they are - crap shots for the future.

Forget the waiver stuff. Pull Harden off the wire and re-sign him this winter.

Huge contract withstanding, I would consider offers for Z over the winter. There are teams that would take him at the price. The Cubs need to take one that would give them a high quality second baseman and an outfielder who could lead off and hit for a decent average.

Pitching is always a premium. Why else would anyong offer to take Heilman off our hands?

To me, Z offers no less hope for the future than Harden and would bring a lot more in return than a couple of prospects.

by ceegeewow on Aug 30, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Tribune reader comment

“Big Z the Cubs ace??? That’s laughable. When the Cubs signed him as their ace that was really the beginning of the cash for clunkers program.”

by AboutTheCubs on Aug 30, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

When things look bleek...

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Aug 31, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions  

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