September Call Ups, let the guessing begin
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 4, 2009 6:59 PM CDT
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Who should we call up, and why, that is the question. Some options we can take into consideration would be:
- Players who can be a spark plug again like The Substitute, Bobby Scales
- Do we look at players who have been around a while such as Jason Dubois or So Taguchi
- Do we give Josh Vitters a taste of MLB life (without playing) to get his hunger up even more for next season, and the coming years.
I guess a lot has to do with the strategy that Lou wants to use with the call ups. We are in a playoff race, so resting the starters will be both important to keep them healthy and ready, but also won’t be an everyday occurrence, since we need to win first and foremost (even if BLou has written the season off), so I do not see the call ups getting a lot of playing time (unless we have a few blowouts).
I like calling up Vitters, even if it does start the clock on him, since it could give the kid a taste of the show. Sure, many here will say I am nuts, but I am not playing him, except maybe one AB here and there, nothing major, and only if the game is a blow out. He is our top prospect, so let him see what he is working towards.
Scales is coming back. He might not have the best bat in the world, but has a good glove, and was a spark to the team when it was needed. He is rewarded with a call up.
I really have not followed our minor league teams a lot (excluding reading the minor league round up here on BCB) so I cannot comment much on the talent, or who looks ready, etc. Stats alone can tell part of the story. Prime example: John Gaub, who is a left handed reliever, has looked good (or so his stats say), can anyone comment much about him? To me he looks like he should be called up, but again I am basing it on stats and anyone who can fill in the blanks (so to speak) please do.
Just curious, does anyone else wonder if BLou is actually Evil Lou from a parallel universe, where Lou is evil with a goatee?
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Bringing Vitters up is retarded.
He’s in A-ball for starters. Second, he’s not on the 40man roster. Why burn an option?
The september callups will be the usual suspects:
Scales
Samardzija assuming he’s sent down
Blanco
Hoffpauir/Fuld if either of them is sent down
Mitch Atkins might get a look
Neal Cotts maybe, especially if BJ Ryan never makes it up here
Waddell maybe
Patton will be back
That’s about it
you say Vitters is retarded
then suggest bringing up Cotts who is done for the year with Tommy John. Good call. (sigh)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
i wouldn't start vitters arbitration clock
that would require he be kept on the 40 man roster in december. the same applies to john gaub and andrew cashner.
i would recall the guys who have already been up (and are healthy) in most cases. probably no need to have more than 33 or 34 guys ready to play at any time though.
thanks
that is a decent answer, with nice reasoning behind it.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Oh damn
Forgot about that. But I still think bringing him up is a better idea than bringing up Vitters, who has yet to even get to AA. And like I said, bringing him up would burn a valuable option year.
Vitters????
That is nuts, especially if you are not going to play him. Your reasoning is just plain goofy. ! He has done nothing in the minors to justify bringing him up, but you want to bring him up to give him a tour. Get a grip.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
suggesting bringing up kids who would have to be put on the 40 man roster
… good call (sigh)
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
You know what is "retarded"
Using that word. Do better.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd rather just continue using the word retarded.
Seriously, I don’t remember the last time I heard the word used toward in reference to an actual disabled person. If you’re still offended in today’s and age, you need to lighten up. Words are only as strong as the meaning behind them.
I'd rather you didn't
and I’m pretty sure Al doesn’t like it much either. I know the use of “gay” as derogatory is banned, so I believe this is too.
Under your reasoning, there would be no language guidelines and then the next person could use some pretty nasty racial slurs and say that “If you’re still offended in today’s and age, you need to lighten up. Words are only as strong as the meaning behind them.”
It’s not a matter of being offended. It’s a matter of making this website a place that is welcoming to everyone.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a big difference between the word "retarded."
When people use the word retarded, they are rarely referencing a person who actually has a mental disability. Nowadays it’s most common use is as just another synonym for stupid. On the other hand if I call someone a racial slur, there’s really no meaning behind the word except “I’m demeaning you because of your race.”
I disagree with you
and I don’t think you know a damn thing about what people call people with mental disabilities. Or maybe you do.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well feel free to disagree.
However, not once in recent memory have I actually seen or heard anybody use the term “retarded” in reference to someone who actually has a mental disability. And in case you’re wondering what I call people with mental disabilities, two of my friends have down syndrome and I call them by their first names.
Well gee whiz... you know somebody...
Then I guess that must put you on the forefront of issues surrounding individuals with disabilities in our country. Yup, two of your friends have a developmental disability. Congrats.
As for me… well I’m just a nobody with two Master’s in the field and, oh yeah, a little over 15 years of experience in educating individuals with disabilities and advocating on behalf of their families.. But what do I know?
Thanks Josh… aside from the amazing work you do on this website you raise an excellent point. Sorry, but this one strikes a chord in my heart. It’s more than just a word, dude.
by socalicubsfan on Aug 5, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Look I never said I was an expert on the subject.
All I was trying to say is that Josh’s suggestion that I had no experience with people with disabilities is flat-out wrong.
As for you, wow two Master’s degrees! Don’t worry, most of the world’s population also lacks the intelligence and determination to get a doctorate. If you really are an expert, maybe you should find something productive to do than berate me for using a word that 90% of the English-speaking world in my age demographic uses on a regular basis. Seriously it is just a word. And even if you feel that it isn’t, censorship has never solved a single social problem.
90%?
REALLY???? Care to provide me with where you got that number please? I have not heard that word in a very long time, since no one I know uses it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I can believe 90% of teens use it quite a bit
Although, I think it is not acceptable to use on the site.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Aug 5, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
teen and preteen maybe
but that is not what he stated.
either way, that does not make it right to say
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
NOT ACCEPTABLE LANGUAGE ON THIS SITE.
Do not do this again or you will be banned.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fine I won't say it.
It’s not worth getting banned over. But I will say this: my comments weren’t nearly as offensive or mean-spirited as a lot of other stuff posted on these boards. If you seriously consider my comments to be enough justification for a ban, my respect for you has plummeted. If using a word as common as dirt in today’s world is not allowed while berating, insulting, and mocking others are, there’s a big problem with you and this message board.
The thing is...
Some people consider what you said mocking, insulting and berating.
And when someone said so, you got all pissy.
This is a you problem, pal.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I don't consider what I did "getting pissy"
All I was trying to do was justify my position. If people disagree with me, that’s fine, but I still don’t feel I said anything wrong, and it’s gonna take a lot more than your smug comments to change my mind.
What do you say when you're describing your friends to others?
“My retard friends over there…”
That’s my guess.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
That's true
and considering the general weakness of your posts, I should realize that anything you say has as much relevance and impact as a fart in a hurricane.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Al...
and Worf, I tip my cap to you.
And Polo, I wish you nothing but happiness in your life, man. I hope that your relationships with the community of individuals you claim to have an intimate understanding of continues to grow so that you can rise above the 90%.
In the words of Worf, “Do better.”
by socalicubsfan on Aug 5, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
One comment from someone new
I haven’t been posting for very long, but I’ve been reading for a while. I love baseball, and I love the Cubs, but I gotta say, a lot of you guys are ruining what should be a great place to talk about the Cubs. And I’m not just talking about the guy who used the word “retard”. Not that I’m saying he’s right, but you guys who just cruise around looking for places to complain, and complaining about whether something should be a fanshot or fanpost. Oh my god, the Cubs are one of the most respected teams in all of baseball, and this is the Blog they get? I love the game recaps done by Al, I think they are fantastic, but the bickering back and forth is a waste of time and has nothing to do with baseball.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
by Marttisdad on Aug 5, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's a community.
this is what happens in a community. And, consider the irony.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Some thoughts back
Get a large enough group of people together, and there will be disagreement. Unfortunately, sometimes it will be bickering / trivial. Yes, the policing can be a bit over the top, but some of it is warranted. To some extent, this is user-moderated, because Al can’t read every post/comment.
As far as complaining about the word, since the moderator has asked people not to do it, that should be the end of it. Those rules are pretty simple – you come into someone’s house, you follow their rules.
The Cubs are one of the oldest teams in all of baseball. Most respected? Not sure. Plenty of fans of other teams hate the Cubs and the Cub fans. Other organizations mock the team and its history.
As far as “this is the blog they get”, there are lots of blogs devoted to the Cubs. Try going to Yahoo!, cubs.com, chicagotribune.com, etc. and see what those blogs are like. Then tell me that you think this one is bad.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
There will be disagreement is one thing
But you guys seem to all have pent up frustration from reading each others posts for years. I’m just saying check yourself a little bit because it’s out of hand.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
Possibly. However -
If you want to make that point, which may be valid, you’d be better served to chose a different spot to do it.
Piggybacking onto a discussion where the moderator of the site already agreed with the sentiments of the “police” if not the actions of them probably isn’t going to get your point across.
This isn’t meant to be mocking, but the rest of your post was just noise that further obscured what I think you were trying to say – something along the lines of, “Lighten up and focus on baseball”.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You want me to make it a fanpost?
If that’s what you want i could certainly do that, although I’m sure I would get mocked for doing so, and told what should and shouldn’t be a fanpost.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
Um...
… let’s not start up with fanposts about how everyone bickers. I don’t want the site to be about the site — it’s about the Cubs and baseball.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True.
My original point about picking a better spot was meant as picking a better example to reply to.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not making it a fanpost
nuff said, to use the parlance of our times
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
I'm not sure that it would be mocked
A lot would depend on the tone that you took in it. I’ve posted things along that line before and gotten good responses. Some agreed, some didn’t.
Some would disagree with it if you did that, but that’s going to happen on every topic. That’s the nature of the blog, and the discussion is what makes it interesting.
Wouldn’t it be boring if we all had the same ideas?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs fans fill every stadium they go to
How could they not be a well respected team? People outside Red Sox nation hate them too. I’m just saying they have a huge fanbase.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
I'm happy to debate this point if you like
But again, it’s got nothing to do with the point that you were trying to make.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
One more fun point,
And it’s probably different where you are, but here in Canada, being a Cubs fan, even though they lose, and sure you may have the odd joke, but it’s a “cool” team to cheer for up here.
Nobody ever asks “why in the world do you cheer for them”. In my experience.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
Your general statement on bickering is accurate in many
situations. In this case, a person aware that single word is not accepted spoke up. When the poster attempted to rationalize the use of the word, others joined in.
If the poster had merely said “sorry, won’t use it again,” the issued would have gone away quickly.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Exactly
And while Marttisdad might have a point, it was a bad example to use. That’s what I was saying above.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
One note,
Not to rationalize or say he’s right, but here in Canada, lots of people use that word as he was.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
Well, final point
The moderator said no.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
So post something else
you find worthy
The wonderful thing about this blog is that there are places for FanPosts, FanShots, images, links, vids, quotes and polls.
Some people try to read everything. Most others, including myself, zero in on certain topics and almost entirely ignore others. For instance, I read the Minor League wraps, but rarely comment because I know very little about it.
If something offends you, great, move on. There is always another thread coming.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Are you trying to tell me
That not almost every post on here has some sort of bickering somewhere?
Good god people, I’m not even trying to be mean here, I’m just saying what Shanghai Badger told me to say, “Lighten up and focus on baseball”.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
No, many posts don't have bickering.
And I think that perhaps we could just agree to talk baseball and move on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Neither Worf nor I are trying to be mean, either
Frankly, I was surprised with the tone of his response. I think he went out of his way NOT to be more pointed.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm trying to stay on point as well
I get bored at work so I tend to pop into every fanpost, for some reason I never read the fanshots, and I find a very high % have bickering. Anyways, enough said.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
Well, I hope that doesn't make you stop posting
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Mainly because I am sympathetic
And mainly because I just had a luscious cookie.
But while I disagree with him on the issue of the r-word — I think it’s important — I do agree that there is way too much “THIS SHOULD BE A FANSHOT!” nonsense on this board.
So, I guess not all bickering is created equal.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
For the record
I’m making absolutely no judgement on the word, I offered a bit of a comment, but I can certainly do without writing it on the board.
Can I use dingleberry?
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
I don't think you'll get too much grief over dingleberry
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the reason people say that...
… is that I would like to see FanPosts given a little more THOUGHT… in other words, if you want to just post a link for discussion, that should be a fanshot.
For a FanPost, you should put a little of your own analysis or opinion into it.
Make sense?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
sadly
this was not the case of BCB prior to the yahoo ordeal. Many new posters have joined which is great, but they also have not been here long enough to know the inside jokes, to accept the rules that were written and in some cases unwritten.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Too many people use it
That’s the whole point of the campaign against it.
I get so very sick of the “You’re just P.C.” argument.
Without P.C., we’d still be using “Jew” as a verb in polite society
Without P.C., we’d still have Sambo restaurants
Political correctness has spurred more social progress. If that means a bunch of bigots get marginalized, then so be it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Aug 5, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
can I get a REC'd?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 5, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that I agree that his line is sexist.
But I’d be interested to hear the opinions of the “Women of BCB”.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 5, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You failed
A sexist comment about the female breast would be to imply that a woman is only as good as her cup size.
My tag line is a celebration of all women.
But as Badger says, if the women of BCB were to, en masse, tell me that I am way off base here, I will change it.
But I see more about you by your statement, and your complaining about “bickering.” You attempt to blow a molehill into a mountain. You attempt to
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
You attempt to cut me off!
You attempt to find moral equivalency. “Yeah, that’s wrong, but you do it too!”
Some wrongs are more wrong. Some things are more important.
But again, I am nothing if not liberal — if Jessica, Allie and Sue — to name three that I know to be female, find my tagline offensive — not just eye-rolling juvenile, but seriously offensive — then I will change it.
Balls in your court, dude.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
what about my breasts?
are man boobs not as important?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Put it this way
there is no such thing as an attractive male breast
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I must admit
I think today’s ranting has made me decide to return to just reading the game reviews. I’m one of those guys not that into the internet for this very reason, I don’t want to get into some bullshit attempt at an intellectual conversation with a guy named Worf. And not for nothing Worf, but sadly your name is all over these posts I started complaining about at the beginning of the day. Always something to say, and that’s just sad.
All this buttoning and unbuttoning
make it Green!
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
it's person first...
“person with a disability” is the preferred nomenclature. Sorry to rag on you, Poloplaya14, but I’m siding with Worf on this one. You can choose to ignore the advice or not it’s up to you. BTW, CUBS WIN!
by socalicubsfan on Aug 4, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Justin Berg
I’m sure he will probably be back in Sept
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Aug 4, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Cotts
Didn’t he have major elbow surgery? Not sure if it was Tommy John or not. We won’t be seeing him.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
Cotts is out
for the year with TJ surgery. That is correct.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Cotts
Had Tommy John.
Blake Parker or Tyler Colvin?
nothing against either one
but i’d rather not overload the 40 man. we might be close to having 40 legit keepers. no point subjecting our kids to the rule 5 draft.
Colvin has done well as of late
He’s still playing a lot of DH. I’d like to see him play more OF and continue the hitting for a little while longer. He was Pie before Pie. There’s a reason he hasn’t gotten past AA. Not sure if he’s worth the 40 man spot.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Well, Pie was first actually - not Colvin...
but yes, they are similar types of hitters in terms of plate discipline. Colvin has shown more power, where Pie has more speed. Colvin is also a few years behind than Pie at the same level. Colvin is 23 and has been just decent to this point in AA (thanks to a phenomenal week after a month of awful hitting). Pie was tearing up AA at the age of 20. By 23, Pie had already had 2+ seasons in AAA and was being considered by many a bust.
Colvin is not on the 40-man roster. Since he’s not ready and he wouldn’t get to play anyway, I’ll be very surprised if he’s called up. Hopefully he hits well enough the rest of the way in AA to warrant a promotion to Iowa next year, and maybe then he can get onto the 40-man roster.
No and no
There’s no point calling up guys who aren’t going to play. Well, maybe Parker, but then you’d have to add him to the 40 man, which I can’t believe they want to do.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
How about the kids we got for DeRosa?
Jeff Stevens might be worth a flyer. Lou didnt’ have a chance to see him in ST, it might be advantageous to see him for an inning or two.
Waddell will be back.
Mitch Atkins should be also. He did well on his brief cup of coffee.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
But Gaub might be interesting
He is one of the other pitchers we got. He got to Iowa recently and has been doing very well an ERA of .66 and he is a LEFTY. But his not on the 40 man roster and you probably would not want to start his arb clock ticking either.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 5, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't blame someone for not noticing Stevens with the big club.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Just got sent down to bring up Miles.
Brilliant move Hendry. sigh
Isn't it a good idea to have two guys who can play SS?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 6, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Stevens is on the roster now
So, he probably comes up. I imagine he goes down in the next round of cuts. Someone has to go down for Soto, and I think we have 13 pitchers currently.
I’d say Scales, Fuld, and Blanco. I am skeptical that Blanco really has a calf injury that is serious enough for the DL. That was a big mistake in my mind. Blanco plays good D. We could use him between now and September 1.
Atkins probably comes up. I don’t see the team taking a flyer on anyone just to get their feet wet. Too many option/clock issues, and we’ll still hopefully be fighting for a playoff spot. No sense mixing in someone who isn’t going to help you.
+1
on Blanco… I must be missing something on this one. I like the D and get that he’s not hitting, but c’mon ol boy got his first HR! the other day!
by socalicubsfan on Aug 5, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
To be called up, you have to be on the 40-man roster...
So that handcuffs the team a bit. We have 38 players on the roster, with two guys who could be moved to the 60-man if necessary. So only 4 players could potentially be added.
Realistically, I think we’ll see a few guys get called up for the bullpen (maybe Patton, Berg, Atkins, and whomever gets sent down when Soto and Lilly return) and a couple of position players (Blanco will probably come back, maybe Scales, maybe Johnson will be healthy).
I don’t think Vitters will get called up, because I don’t think that they want to start his arbitration clock when he’s still two years (or more) away from being ready to play MLB ball. He’s struggling in A ball right now – bringing him up wouldn’t be useful to him and it would cost us cheap time with him later.
DuBois doesn’t give the team anything that Fox doesn’t already provide, so I doubt he’ll get called up. And if Reed Johnson is back, then Taguchi doesn’t give us much. And teams in pennant races don’t generally call up too many position players in September.
I bet no one who isn't already on the 40 man
Like last year, don’t expect a lot. A few extra pitchers and a couple of position guys.
What about Chris Robinson?
I know he’s not on the 40 man, but I believe we have 3 empty spots available (somebody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, though). A third catcher is typical during the September call-ups, and he’s done an excellent job at Iowa.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
I honestly don't think that he will
but I wouldn’t mind seeing him up here at all. I’d like to see if he’s ready for the big leagues. With Soto’s down year and Hill’s lack of offense, he could be good for this team.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 4, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We should call up
a third catcher, be it Robinson or Clevenger. But like you, I don’t think they will.
I don’t know if they will or whether they’ll just consider Jake Fox the third catcher and be done with it.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I would imagine they'd just consider Fox the emergency catcher...
and go with Soto/Hill. With Soto well-rested thanks to the injury, I imagine they’ll play him as much as possible and then Hill whenever necessary otherwise.
Call up one of the catchers in the minors if he can help the team
but not just because you want a third catcher. When Soto returns, Fox is fine as the third/emergency catcher. They do not have to have another catcher.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
No other catchers are on the 40-man...
Thus, I agree. There’s not a need for another catcher after tomorrow (when Soto gets called up). Hill will go back to playing 1-2 games per week, and Soto will start. Fox will serve as the emergency backup. It’s not like the Cubs will look to use Hill as a pinch hitter very often. And with extra position players there’ll be little need to pinch hit Hill anyway. So yeah, two catchers will be fine.
Someone made the point that saving spots on the 40 man
is a good thing to protect players eligible for Rule V if you want to keep them.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Call up 2 sick pitchers
Andrew Cashner is ripping shit up and he would only miss a couple starts if we call him up now. With all the problems in the bullpen he would help but the best guy we have is Jay Jackson, who has close to a 10 K/9 innings. Bring both up give Heilman and Marmol some time to work there crap out.
This was discussed yesterday
in the MLW. I’m against it because they’d use Cashner as a reliever and what he really needs to be doing at this stage of his career is stretching himself out and learning to be a starter. I’d be like Samardzija all over again. I consider this year to have been a waste for Samardzija’s development. I don’t want to do that to Cashner.
I’d rather send him to the Arizona Fall League where he can make a start or two and then get shut down for the winter.
As far as Jackson goes, see below.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder why Jay Jackson was sent to Daytona?
Anyone know why Jay Jackson was sent to Daytona? He was dominant in his first start in FSL and it seems like he’s past the FSL talent. I know he struggled a little in July but he was an all-star and as bizzlebuffalo points out he’s close to 10 strikeouts to nine innings.
Disciplinary reasons
apparently. So after that, it would be really, really unlikely that they’d call him up to the majors.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 4, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Rumors are Jackson had some personal issues
That is all, some nebulous comments about him, and professionalism. I can see how that would rub Ryno the wrong way. Especially if Jackson was showing disprespect for the team, or the game.
The arbitration clock changes the entire tone of September call-ups
Before the rules changes that started the free agent clock by calling a player up so now guys get called up in June (I forget the exact date, but look at Evan Longoria and Matt Wieters for examples), we would have seen a guy like Cashner called up, and tossed in there for maybe three innings.
I’d like to see a third catcher – either Robinson or Clevinger, in addition to all the guys who have been here at some point this season (except obviously for the guys on the DL).
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Calling up a 19-year-old kid who's injured right now...
… would be a really bad idea. Plus, he’s not on the 40-man roster; adding him and bringing him up would start several clocks.
Cashner isn’t on the 40-man either; he could be added, but I’m guessing the team doesn’t really want to start his clock till 2010 either.
Most likely, we’ll just see guys who have already ridden the Des Moines-to-Chicago shuttle like Bobby Scales and Mitch Atkins. Andres Blanco will return from the DL if he hasn’t already by then.
Teams don’t generally add more than 5-6 players after September 1 because there simply isn’t enough playing time for all of them. It’s pointless to call up 10 players just to have them sit on the bench.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Depending on the injury situation(s)
I don’t think Piniella will want to overcrowd the dugout and locker room. Maybe another swing pitcher or two who have experience, another middle infielder or two and another catcher.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
or every left handed bat
SARCASM!!!
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I am not joking, call him up
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
okay I will settle for him but with increased security
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
trouble is, this one is more versatile in that he could play 4 positions but he is suspended
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
yeah he would be a good front of the order guy!
glad your paying attention ;>))
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
wonder if he has cleared waivers
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I hear this guy is working out of some freezer place.
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
If he shows some good signs after a bad injury.....
Brad Snyder could warrant an addition to the 40 man. They are back down to 37 on the 40 man roster, and if need be Old Man Chad and Neal (I feel horrible saying this, but I’m kind of happy he blew out his arm for the Cubs’ sake) Cotts can be put on the 60 day DL, seeing as how Cotts had a surgical appt with Dr. James Andrews and Fox’s career is likely over.
Back to Snyder, the guy was hitting great before his injury, can play all 3 OF positions and bats LEFT HANDED. Also, he is already 27 or 28, so the Cubs shouldn’t be too worried about starting his arbitration clock.
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 6, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
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