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A few days ago, BCBer memphiscub posted this Fan Shot regarding an anonymous Cardinals fan who'd sponsored the 2008 Cubs page at Baseball Reference, and left an...um, unkind caption for readers.

Normally, I'd let this slide. But then Viva El Birdos, a fine SB Nation site blogging the Cardinals, picked it up, and have spent the last few days hyping it up, asking readers to vote on a better caption. I'll spare those with delicate sensibilities samples, but let's just say that the recommendation involving a dog's arse is probably not the worst one suggested.

Now, I'm not petty -- okay, I am sometimes, but that's another story. I couldn't let this stand. As such, Cubbie Nation -- my web site -- has purchased the home page for the 2004 Cardinals, a World Series team, if you recall, and would like to enlist your help in writing a caption. Right now, I'm leaving my original placeholder on the site:

St. Louis - Armpit of America since 1876

I think it's good, but something tells me that a smart reader out there has a better idea.

I'll leave this post open for suggestions, as well as creating a forum at Cubbie Nation. Stop by, leave a suggestion or two, and I'll pick a winner at the end of beginning of the next home stand. Winner gets a couple of nuggets from my box of Cubs swag; all unopened, new goodies. And yes, I do have bobble heads.

Worst idea gets my White Sox Beer Guy figurine. You've been warned.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Yet St. Louis writers are worried about the rivalry not being strong

No offense to you Damen, but I thought it was dumb when they did it, so I have to say the same thing again.
In defense of all Cubs fans though, we don’t pretend to be above the Cardinals and pretend like we don’t care.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 7, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

None taken...

It’s not my usual sort of thing, but since it’s out there, I think it’s something we can have a fun time with.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 7, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Secretly

I’m all for it.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 7, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have now changed my mind

I did myself the displeasure of reading the VEB thread and have decided that I am not above this.
Perhaps something about Tony LaRussa never having success without a steroid user, his DUI is always fun. I suppose the other alcohol thing is off limits, they did get swept in 2004 so that could be played with.

Upon a paragraph of thinking out loud, I think the armpit thing works better than any idea I could have.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Aug 7, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going through the same struggle.

Part of me doesn’t want to stoop to the level of calling an entire fanbase nasty names, but another part of me can’t help wanting to stick up for the team I support.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Aug 7, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Cardinals fans are not dumb

no matter what you may think. As a die hard, lifelong Cubs fan that has lived in Saint Louis for 25 years, I will tell you they are extremely knowledgable and generally well mannered. That doesn’t mean there aren’t a few that have manners that leave something to be desired, just as there are some Cubs fans that have the same affliction. They push that button because they know they can, and it works. Do the right thing….wish them well and do not reward the ones who act poorly with the attention they crave by acting badly.

"This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings." -- Bill Veeck

by MOCubsfan on Aug 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A shot at 2 NL central teams

Nice job Badger

Tweeting about the Cubs most of the time from @jmkobus

by jkobus on Aug 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

beautiful!!!!

I guess it could always

Cardinal Nation: at least they are not from Milwaukee

Cardinal Nation: Making White Sox fans seem classy

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOVE

The second one. That’s phenominal

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Aug 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is childish...but

Cardinal Fans…where the only thing redder than their hats is their necks

Trans Am—-Official Car of your Cardinal Nation

Cardinal Nation…where the mullet and the cut off shorts live on

I could go on for days….I still have not worked in a house with wheels or marrying your sister or anything like that…

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Aug 7, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I gotta admit...

the mullets are…well….they don’t help.

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 7, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's so easy...

“Get a brain, MORANS!

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I didn't see the fanpost but

I recognize good clean fun, and just to show I’m a good sport….

St. Louis…still the home of Dizzy and Daffy!

(not great but it’s all I could come up with i 2 seconds)

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 7, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a novel idea...

Since I hope Cubs nation is classier than our rivals, why not put something tasteful up? Wouldn’t that be unexpected.

But if you don’t want to go that far, how about something about the Cubs instead of the Cardinals:

Congratulations on the lucky season Cardinals!
- Your classy friends from Chicago, the greatest city in the world.

by smash! on Aug 7, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I love it!

I’d just change the word “classy” to something more poignant… can’t come up with something quickly off the top of my head… Help.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Aug 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gracious?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like this idea.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 7, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

I might change “classy friends” for “big brothers”, but that’s just me.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 7, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let us know what you decide.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm reminded of Robin Hood

A city of Chicago’s beauty has no need for such… decorations.

by cubbybear on Aug 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rise above it

This is tacky and petty and ultimately makes everyone involved look bad. Sponsor baseball reference because it is a great, but under-funded website, not so you can get in a dig at some other team’s fans.

by Orval Overall on Aug 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually...

Cubbie Nation sponsors a number of pages, paid for well before this. But I’m I’ll for putting it to the fans; if that’s ultimately what people want, that’s what I’ll do.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 7, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

See above.

If we can sponsor a Cardinal page by being CLASSY… it would make their sponsorship even more embarrassing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you and Orval are right.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes it would

if you’re going to do this, and I guess the money’s already been paid, this is the way to go.

by chuckb on Aug 7, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cardinal fans and Cub fans agreeing?

What’s next? Dogs & cats living together?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 7, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm impressed.

You actually made me feel a little guilty about submitting an entry.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I read the VEB post as all in good humor, and it was making me laugh out loud.

by TC Cubby on Aug 7, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to say, jd is legend came across as, well, a dope:
I really hope that at some point the oldest person living on Earth will have been born after 1908

You hope? Well, duh. Unless the Mayans were right, there’s a pretty damn good chance that will happen.

Moran!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The hat fail pic is great, though.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I took the whole thing as funny, and a touch tongue-in-cheek.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 7, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

See above.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Impressed and Rec'd as well.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Aug 7, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about:

Cardinals fans: Using the chip on their shoulder to overshadow the Brewers since [enter some relevant date here].

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

There's a familiar ring to that . . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

After waiting and waiting for the clown over there to come up with someing good...

I remain quite disappointed. None of the stuff was really that great. I personally would have gone with – “Quitters never win and winners never quit, and those who never quit AND never win are idiots.”

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 7, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I fully support staying classy

But in the interest of poking more fun at STL how about this:

Exhibit A as the best fans in baseball: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/929F7F3D12210AC28625760A00134F8D?OpenDocument

MIlwaukee is Chicago's largest suburb

by Chubby Hugs on Aug 7, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

There's just no...

good way to put that in a caption. But I will say that it might be a new low for personal conduct.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a serious bid for the caption

Just wanted to bring to light the recent development in their self described baseball “heaven”

MIlwaukee is Chicago's largest suburb

by Chubby Hugs on Aug 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

anyone catch this irony
Bridget Matarazzi, 25, of the 6500 block of Bradley Avenue,

now if only Bradley could hit like those living on his block….

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 7, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm suprised

she didn’t just walk away.

by socalbob on Aug 7, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a citizen of fair St. Louis

And a Cubs fan, I can say that just as Cub fans range from drunk people at Wrigley who act like it’s a nightclub it’s cool to say you went to, to the 90 year old scoring in his book, having been a cub fan since 1932, Cardinals fans vary a great deal, too. Some are petty, always heckling, and some drink less Budweiser.

In general, I support a classy message on their page.

Just my $0.02.

by cubbybear on Aug 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

"Cubs Suck" in the Snow And Other Stuff

I thought that snow message was funny because it was done right outside the latest Busch Stadium in what is supposed to be Ballpark Village some day in St. Louis. I’ve seen the T-shirts “Choke: The Official Drink of the Chicago Cubs” and posters that said “Bartman Rules”. I didn’t think that stuff was out of bounds. I can take a joke. It’s only baseball after all.

If the caption regarding the 100 years of Cubs futility had been put on a Cardinals page, then that would have been fine by me. I’m a little surprised that BR would put the derogatory captions on the 2004 Cardinals and 2008 Cubs pages, but the money from the sponsorships is green (not red or blue) and pays the bills.

I like the city, St. Louis, well enough. Because of geography, I’ve seen more Cubs games there than in any other city. Most Cardinals fans that I’ve known have been nice to me over the years. They take verbal jabs at me from time to time, but it’s mostly been good natured.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 7, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Do what you'd do if it were the team 9 miles south

IGNORE IT

If you feed off their BS, they know they got your attention; which is 90% of their motivation at the outset.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Point Taken

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about

The Cardinal is the State Bird of Illinois.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 7, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

simple stupid

is perfect for them

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giant asterisk?

For all the roiders on that WS team?

by rgonzale on Aug 7, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

St. Louis: #1 in the MLB and US Crime Rate

by Don't Fear the Reaper on Aug 7, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

That's going too far

We’re poking fun at their organization, not at their city….

I vote for something classy. :D

Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Aug 7, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've used these for quite some time.

St. Louis – Louis & Clark figured the uncharted wilderness was a better option.

St. Louis – when Minneapolis flushes, it lands here.

I think the key should be originality. From my vast experiences, Cards fans have very little of that, clinging to 1908. That’s what makes the L&C option all the more funny; most of their fans don’t know who they are.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Aug 7, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

L&C option all the more funny; most of their fans don’t know who they are.

theyre the guys that flew the first plane, right?

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 8, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhm.........

………if you say so………..

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Aug 8, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to figure out who Louis & Clark are as well

Lewis & Clark on the other hand… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 15, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

a couple of journeymen players

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guess I had St. "Louis" on the brain.

My bad.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Aug 17, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any good insult must remind someone of their past failures.

With this in mind, I offer:

“Don Denkinger is a Cubs fan.”

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 8, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice

I was trying to think of something along the lines of Denkinger…

(Fill in the Blank)… the only thing that hurts more than Don Denkinger.

Learn this line, and use it often- "Yes dear, you're right, I'm sorry" -Bob Brenly

by SotoRiot on Aug 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, after what two Cards fans did to my wife and SIL

outside Wrigleyville Sports while my brother and I were inside shopping, I find it hard to feel any sympathy for the honor of the Cardinals. In fact I feel none. Those boys would not have left Wrigleyville under their own power as angry as I got (they wisely told us as we were driving to Harry Carey’s after the game to get Ryne Sandberg’s autograph what happened).

That said, I know two Cards fans at work who are perfect Southern gentlemen and who I can have great baseball dialogue on and who are respectful contrarians who are credits to their chosen franchise. If only the two jerks who badgered our wives were that classy, fine.

All things considered, the Red Turds are a loathed abomination that only the White Shlox can arouse more animosity within my Cubbie Blue heart.

I don’t know what zinger we can use, but THIS pic has to be somewhere on that page

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Aug 9, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions  

whatd they do

He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.

by jesus christos on Aug 9, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That girl looks so sad, like her brother just dumped her.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

by Goodie1969 on Aug 9, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soooooo...yeah...what did they do?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't wanna know...

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

st louis

i just hope pujols leaves when his contract is up so we dont have to face him anymore.lets hope he is one of these greedier players and goes for the big bucks.

by NOMAR on Aug 9, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

to the AL

or the Cubs..

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Cards fan

I found the whole thing extremely tacky. I don’t mind a little rubbing between Cards and Cub’s fan. But I found it pretty unsportsmanlike for a Card fan to sponsor a Cub’s BR page with trash talking. The Card’s mod at Viva El Birdos agreed and closed comments off the thread

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

cards/cubs

long way to go. since 03 the cubs have won the division 3 times and the cards 4 times. i think the astros won once.

by NOMAR on Aug 16, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

As a Cubs fan who lives in St. Louis,

I find this petty crap exactly that. Petty, childish and stupid. Most of my friends here are Cardinals fans and I’m pretty open about the fact that I’m a Cubs fan. Silly ribbings aside, we all recognize that we’re fans of the game and part of the best rivalry in baseball. Most are classy.

Leave this petty shit for the Red Sox/Yankees fans.

FOO-KOO-DOH-MAY!

by bmeteor on Aug 18, 2009 5:32 AM CDT reply actions  

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