Big mistake letting Marquis go
by left shark on Aug 8, 2009 7:30 PM CDT
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Worse Chicago Cub move of the year. Jason Marquis to get his 13th win of the season tonight. Carlos Zambrano is on the disabled list and Ryan Dempster was a one year wonder and most likely will be a set up man again in the future. What were the Cubs thinking getting rid of this capable pitcher who will win comeback pitcher of the year and flirt with twenty wins. Hopefully the Cubs will not repeat this soon
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by Goodie1969 on Aug 8, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Were you the one that predicted a 18 Win season from Jason Marquis?
Randy Wells. A product of the Roy Halladay School of Pitching, located in Toronto, Canada. Possible relocation.
by Cub Style on Aug 8, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big mistake letting Marquis go
He only had one year left on his deal and actually did a quality job in 2008. Stays healthy, takes the ball every 5th day, and can be counted upon. His contract was ridiculous, but it was even more ridiculous to eat part of his salary to get rid of him.
Dempster was a one year wonder who many of us cringed when he got his big fat new contract. But hey, Donuts Hendry is the king of bad contracts. He’ll keep spending this franchise into oblivion.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 8, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you not realize we HAVE to spend money to field a good team
My god man, can you say anything different?
How about acknowedge the fact demo has been going through he’ll on earth at home for alot of the season…
And maybe you should try not to be such a dick for making fun of hendry for being overweight. I am about 50 lbs overweight, I have chemical imbalances in my body. I work hard everyday of my life, and don’t overeat, but i’m still overweight. So stop saying that. Some people can’t help it!
Sorry if I stepped over a line here Al, but I can’t stand this guy anymore…he calls people names, and adds nothing to this website.
by Wrigster on Aug 8, 2009 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000000
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 9, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
the Marquis who was just beat by Dempster today?
Yeah?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same Dempster, Mr. Blou
who you said, multiple times, would struggle to keep his era under 4.50
by shoemile on Aug 8, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 4.50 isn't bad
F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Aug 10, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s a quality start.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 10, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is considered a quality start
But all that shows is how we have diminished what quality means.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 10, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
But for the money he’s being paid, you’d hope for better, which he has been
by shoemile on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, a 4.50 ERA pitcher in 180 innings is probably worth about 7-8 million
Marquis was only slightly overpaid, and the Cubs can afford to do that.
F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Aug 10, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why slightly overpay for a guy liike Marquis is the real question
when you believe you can get more for less
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--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 11, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same old cheap shot crap....."donuts."
Nobody could predict Marquis would be a Cy Young candidate. Perhaps we saw some of his usual second-half decline Saturday night. Or, have you forgotten that, historically — is what happens to Marquis?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 9, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still not a Cy Young candidate
I don’t expect the voters to be fooled by his W-L record.
by madcow256 on Aug 9, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, I hope not.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 9, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight.
In one comment, you criticize for spending too much and criticize a move which was made for the sole purpose of shedding payroll? You can’t have it both ways, kid.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 9, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when he was traded
you are saying 100% you were against it, and knew he would have 12 wins for the Rockies and youre just not saying that cuz we are facing him tonight? I think Hendry should have called you before the trade.
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by Eric16 on Aug 8, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Maybe Marquis should have told Hendry or somebody he was gonna be decent this year.
by beckmania on Aug 8, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was decent in 2008
And Hendry the fool couldn’t wait to EAT part of his salary in order to get rid of him.
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 8, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad it didn't hurt us to get rid of him
Now run along, dear.
by Pre on Aug 8, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how you can say that with any authority
I am by no means a Marquis fan, but he’s been having a good season
by Illicat on Aug 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract year...
Just like everyother player in a contract year…gets himself in awesome shape, tries 20x harder, and is more focused…
It’s a joke…it would probably lead to a strike, but MLB needs a way to dump players contracts if they just aren’t performing, like football. It’s bullspit!!
by Wrigster on Aug 9, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eat his contract
hahaha i get it
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 8, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ENOUGH WITH THE FAT JOKES!
“EAT”…I see what you did there!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How clever, huh??
Boy blou is the classic meathead fan..
by Wrigster on Aug 9, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis walk year
Someone will over pay for him again, Just like Hendry did. He is a 5th starter having a career year, good for him. He was a 5th starter for the Cubs, did a decent job. Biggest mistake by Hendry, far from it, signing Milton Bradley was.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 8, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah....allow me to introduce you to Mr. Alfonso Soriano and his $136 million 8 year contract
"Cubs will win 79 to 83 games." BLou (7/21/09)
by BLou on Aug 8, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only
going by last years deals and transactions.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Aug 8, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano was good for 2 years, no?
And if he can get his average up 10 more points to 260 and hit 30 homeruns, you don’t find that good?
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i except him to hit .400 with 80 HRs
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 9, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
expect*
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 9, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can sign him again for a larger contract this offseason!!!!
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 8, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I ain't crying no tears
Wells has been way better for a ton less money.
by jeff_pico on Aug 8, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The bigger mistake was probably the Dempster deal
the amount anyhow
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 8, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This
We shouldn’t have signed Dempster to such a large deal.
I had no problems with trading Marquis and I still don’t. He’s been good but not stellar this season, much like the guys in our rotation. Randy Wells has been a helluva lot better fifth starter than Marquis would have been.
Besides, wins are a stupid way to judge a pitcher.
by Pre on Aug 8, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, just outta curiousity...
…what SHOULD have the Cubs rotation been going into the season – in your opinion?
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
Lincecum
Lilly
Z
Ty Cobb
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous...
Ty Cobb? Come on, you and I both know that Warren Spahn was available and would’ve been a much better option.
HENDRY SHOULD BE DFA’D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
by kanderber on Aug 8, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that we shouldn't have resigned Dempster
I just didn’t want to sign him to a large deal.
by Pre on Aug 9, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I somewhat agree with this
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
It’s kinda hard to sign a 17 game winner with a sub-3 ERA for cheap. He wanted big money, and that was the only way he was coming back. It was either Dempster or Marquis, and Demp had proven a lot more than Marquis in his time with the Cubs.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
He had one good year as a starter and two mediocre years as a closer with WHIPS hovering near 1.5; he, like Bradley, did an extraordinary job of cashing in on a career year which will more than likely never be repeated, unfortunately for us, Hendry couldnt see through that.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 9, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry has gambled on quite a few career year contracts
Soriano, Zambrano, Lee, Ramirez, Bradley, Dempster
The results, have been mixed
by Illicat on Aug 9, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what Dempster wanted
And that’s what he had to be paid to stay on this team.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares what Dempster wanted
that has no bearing on Hendrys decision to resign him at such a high rate
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 9, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme another cheaper option
Who’s currently posting a around 4 ERA. Plus, could you have proven he wouldn’t post the same numbers? No. Was it likely and expected? Yes. You also seem to be forgetting the seasons not over and he still has a decent 4.04 ERA.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thats worth 52M?
I think it wouldve been fairly easy to predict this wouldve occurred, he hadnt been a starter in a long time. I wouldve had no problem paying more money for someone who was a safer play, Lowe for example, theyre fairly similar this year, but he’s got the longer track record as a starter
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents
if Demp signed elsewhere many here would be bitching that we needed him. Its the catch-22 of free agency
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster has better numbers than Lowe
And is being paid less.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster is also 4 years younger.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
didn’t Demp give the Cubs a discount?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking he did.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 10, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't have it both ways.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 9, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the bitching about Dempster's contract
That’s the going rate, guys, and probably a little less than that.
Riddle me this: If Hendry didn’t sign Dempster, tell me who he should have signed instead that’s as good or better, and cheaper.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 10, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm saying
And Bren says Derek Lowe. First, Lowe is more expensive. Second, he’s 4 years older, and third, his numbers are a little bit worse.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 10, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing people conveniently forget
Is that Dempster signed before the FA market collapsed. A lot of observers were amazed that he didn’t solicit bids to get even more.
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes - a very important point.
I’d ask the people complaining about Demp the same thing I’d ask those complaining how about Big Z: Do you want good pitchers to play for the Chicago Cubs or not? If the answer is yes, then stop complaining about their salaries.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 10, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you posted this
at the beginning of tonights, game, right?
Still think you’re right?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I sense fail
Scratch that. Major fail.
by Wrigster on Aug 9, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so far we have said
Casey MacGhee and Jason Marquis both were the one that got away.
I admit I didnt want Marquis moved, he is nothing fancy, but a durable pitcher. Hendry over paid him, and moved him. I am not going to gripe too much about it. Unlike many, I do not have a hatred for Marquis, and never cthought we were screwed when he was starting. But I feel the same way with Randy Wells starting.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 8, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Casey McGehee would be nice to have back.
Yeah, no one predicted he would hit like this and I’m sure he’ll come back down to earth. But he could have backed up third base when Ramirez went down.
by cubsforever on Aug 9, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not saying either got away
just repeating two of the recent posts about who got away.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The McGehee post might have been an all-time low for BCB
I thought it was a spoof. The OP was serious.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 10, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very over Marquis
The only thing he would have done by being a Cub this year is block Randy Wells an opportunity to pitcher better than him.
Seriously, the guy always starts strong. And he proved tonight that he might not be lights out for the remainder of the season.
by ak123 on Aug 8, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight is 20
/20. So you would have prefered Marquis over Z or Demp all year? No way.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
by copes006 on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW seriously?
this is what bcb has become. crazy
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by xene on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, just wacky.
This comes with popularity, and no restrictions on who should own a PC.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 9, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i had no problem with trading him
but i had a problem with getting vizcaino for him
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a great deal
If they would have thrown in Jeff Baker.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point...
al albuquerque will be the next tim lincecum
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 9, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the benjamins
That about sums it up. Not a huge deal it’s just how business works. He just wasn’t worth the money given to him. Good for the Rockies.
"The more i practice, the luckier i seem to get" -Yogi Berra
by ChiCubsFever on Aug 8, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh really
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Aug 8, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry ignore above
This computer is bad.
I was going to say I bet his record would be below .500 because he’d have less run support on the Cubs this year.
by ak123 on Aug 8, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True
But his ERA is impressive for pitching at Coors field.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, left shark. Your Fanpost is all wet.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
comeback pitcher of the year
What were the Cubs thinking getting rid of this capable pitcher who will win comeback pitcher of the year and flirt with twenty wins.
I believe you mean the Comeback Player of the Year Award and he won’t win that cause it’s not like he lost 20 games last year with an ERA over 8.00. As stated above, he is a dependable pitcher that will not ‘wow’ anyone, but has had a great start to the season. With the Cubs starting pitching depth, they could stand to let Marquis go, and they have been able to work their way through the injuries to the starting staff just fine this year.
You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan
by dtc0405 on Aug 8, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just when you think you've seen every kind of ridiculous post on this site,
something comes along and tops it.
Congratulations, left shark.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 8, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A person could make a good argument...
That trading Marquis was a bad move. This post, however, is not close to being called that.
by kanderber on Aug 8, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eric Hanna lives!
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 8, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I always defended Marquis on here.
But I don’t regret trading him. He was a luxuary item.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean it was a luxury to pay that much for a 5th starter?
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Nostradamus...
Jason Marquis to get his 13th win of the season tonight.
I think your time machine is broken.
Oh…wait…you don’t have a time machine?
…
Here’s the thing that bothers me about these posts. It’s not the negativity. I can handle that. It’s the fact that people show up, boldly pronounce what will happen in the future, not, mind you, what they think will happen but what will actually happen with 100% certainty.
And then when they are wrong they are nowhere to be seen. Until something that vaguely falls in line with their grand predictions occurs and then they are back to shout “I told you so” to the heavens.
How about some effing accountability?
by redward on Aug 8, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My biggest complaint
is that why is this even a fanpost? This could’ve easily been a comment in the game threads. Instead, it’s taking up valuable space on my sidebar! >:-o
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 8, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only regret about losing Jason Marquis
is nothing.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Aug 8, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Hopefully the Cubs will not repeat this soon"
i’m fairly certain they wont trade Jason Marquis to the Rockies for Luis Vizcaino again
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 8, 2009 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
haha.
this comment is the best part of this fanpost. :)
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Aug 8, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhere BLou is blaming steroids for Marquis performance
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i hope this person isn't being serious
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Aug 8, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This tops them all...
this is the dumbest waste of text I’ve ever seen. The Cubs won, hence Jason did not win. He always starts the year well, then fizzles. You’re telling me you would rathat have him over anyone on their staff? Holy smokes. Please do not waste anyone’s time on here ever again by posting your mind readings that are not only incorrect, but in no way backed by any research what so ever.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Aug 8, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis will end up with
14 wins. And that is a few more than anyone, besides maybe Jason himself, and his own mother, would have predicted.
I didn’t like the Dempster signing, still don’t, and I imagine my dislike will grow to hatred of the contract in the next few years. I would rather have had Derek Lowe for the same money. More consistant.
Big win tonight. Need tomorrow as well. Go Randy Wells!
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 9, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs could never have signed Lowe
He would not play for Lou. The two did not get along his rookie season with the Mariners and Lowe has been critical of Lou ever since.
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by Doggie Stalker on Aug 9, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about that.
Thanks.
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 9, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe is doing well for my fantasy team
Too bad he is not more of strikeout pitcher .
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Derek Lowe has been absolutely terrible from a fantasy standpoint. He just isn’t that good of a pitcher anymore.
by zam on Aug 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Dempster is 4 years younger
and his numbers this year mirror Lowe’s
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 9, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? No one could have predicted that? Really?
Because Jason Marquis’s problem has never been racking up wins. He won 14 games in 2006. He won 15 in 2004. He’s been lucky in that sense. But, y’know, judging a starting pitcher on wins and losses is just kinda silly.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 9, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave's right
Here’s an example of why it’s silly
Look at the W-L records, then look at the rest of the stats.
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by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you need another example go
look at Jamie Moyer’s stats last year and this year.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Aug 11, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem trading Marquis
We have pitching depth, and he was making too much money for his role as a quality 4th or 5th starter.
However, I do have major beef, in that we got ABSOLUTLEY nothing for him in return. We had a quality major league starting pitcher, and dealt him a way for nothing. That’s the problem.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Aug 9, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We traded him to save 5 million dollars
Not saying it was a great idea but that is what we got.
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by Doggie Stalker on Aug 9, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats right we should of got more .You don't give up good talent for nothing
only lawyers should care for grammar are you one?
by angryandy on Aug 9, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you trade a mediocre pitcher on the wrong side of 30 with one year left on his deal...
You tend to not get very much back. Yes, he’s having a fantastic season, but hindsight is 20-20. Coming into this season, Marquis was a mediocre, back-of-the-rotation guy who was getting paid much more than he should have been.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 9, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
This team is knee-deep in starting pitching and Marquis was the one player that the Cubs could aford to lose and still be OK. He’s, having a good year, good for him. Not much of a loss, let’s move on.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 9, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The grammar is incorrect in your sig.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
by Kansas25 on Aug 9, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who you callin' "we," Andy?
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 9, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Wells
If there had been Jason Marquis, there likely wouldn’t be Randy Wells.
Also, there’s no guarantee that Jason Marquis pitches as well with the Cubs as he has in Colorado. His career numbers certainly don’t suggest it.
To have a confident Randy Wells who has found a winning formula and will be fairly cheap for the next three-four years and has outpitched Marquis this year is much much better than anything Marquis has to offer.
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 9, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if some of Marquis doing well has to do with a change of scenery. Sometimes things click elsewhere that wouldn’t have here.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 9, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
that park is a serious pitchers advantage for someone like Jason. All of those home runs turn into warning track power.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Marquis didnt leave Chi
Wells probably wouldn’t have been brought up, so all wasn’t lost, but I miss Marquis too (if he would have kept performing like he did this year for the cubs that is)
by CubsFanInWisconsin on Aug 9, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
marquis
was 12-4, is 12-8. pitches great for a while and then goes downhill. the reason he is left off many playoff rosters. i still think we should have kept him though.
by NOMAR on Aug 9, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I never thought
I never thought I’d see anything top the Bears fans longing for Kyle Orton but this does.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 9, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 9, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its like this
Marquis in Chicao gets booed even if he pitches a gem. Many people never gave him a chance from day one.
Marquis is gone, now all of sudden those who hated his every breath in a Cubs uniform are complaining he is gone.
Sorry folks, this is a worthless thread, and should be closed for the sanity of everyone.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Extremely well put
I seem to remember him being crucified after every game regardless of performance last year. If he was bad people said we needed to release him, and if he was good it was wait until his next start he’ll be horrible then. Of course when a guy leaves and does well you might wish you had them, but let’s not get over our heads.
by jbertram on Aug 9, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have said it before
Marquis was the victim of Hendry over paying him. Marquis was not great, not bad, he was a perfect 4 or 5 that many teams would have used as a 2 or 3 due to not being as deep in starting pitching the two seasons with the Cubs.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Victim of being overpaid"
from your mouth to God’s ears to my wallet.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 9, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was meaning victim
as the main reason many hated him (since his contract was almsot always brought up, ala Soriano, Lee, etc, etc). I cannot blame ANYONE for taking an offer that is made.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 9, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dislike for Marquis stemmed from his comments about being in the bullpen
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can respect that
at least you gave him due time and had a reason. most seemed to have no reason and hated him as he was signing
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Tim
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just wanted to point out the original poster's description of himself
on his SBN dashboard page -
bad ass anti capitalist internet blogger standing up against corporate greed and political assholes
LOL! how cute!
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
This season has long been over. krummy12 (6/30/09)
by joeschmitt on Aug 9, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 9, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly shark...
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
by Goodie1969 on Aug 9, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And his politics matter why?
Does one have to be a rightwing cheerleader for corporate America to be a “real” Cub fan?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 10, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, one doesn't have to be a rightwinger to be a "real" Cubs fan
but one can’t describe oneself as a “bad ass anti capitalist internet blogger” and be taken seriously
Cubs will win 79 to 83 games. Season has been over for weeks. St. Louis will eventually run away with this division. And you can print it. BLou (7/21/09)
This season has long been over. krummy12 (6/30/09)
by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
Fidel Castro was a pretty knowledgable baseball fan at one time.
Suggestion: focus on what he says about baseball, and leave out the extraneous stuff.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jc, a man of few words
or more correctly no words at all.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the sound of silence
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 10, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫ Hello darkness my old friend... ♪♫
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪I post a reply to you again♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 11, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's also a dodgers fan, who joined BCB July 20th.
kind of a newbie outsider…
by CubfaninRaleigh(869milestoWrigley) on Aug 9, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dodgersfansince08
He can throw a fastball at 87MPH and make you look like a fool. He can spray lines drives to right field. He can put up with crappy offense and take the loss. He is Randy Wells. He is the most interesting pitcher in the world. Stay healthy, my friends.
by jesus christos on Aug 9, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISWYDT
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 10, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you get it?
Trading Marquis was a monopolist move by the Tribune Company, tripling its profits and further keeping the man down…only a true badass non-conformist would get that….or is that conforming to the non-conforming badass stereotype?
by sgerring21 on Aug 10, 2009 6:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question Marquis will win 20 games
I doubt Marquis will get 20 wins this season; maybe 16.
The Marquis trade last winter comes off as an impatient move. For a team willing to pickup his salary, the Cubs should have gotten a better player or somebody with more potential in return. If nobody was interested in giving anything for him, then waiting could have gotten better results.
Sometimes, and I think this is common, the budget is something that has to be adhered to at the present time. Applying that possibility to this case, no deal for anything else would be possible unless Marquis was moved when he was, and they really couldn’t “save” $ allowed either because they couldn’t assume the expense would be allowed when they did want to spend. This could happen when the company is publically owned or, like the Tribune, has strict debt obligations to meet. Whatever, the process doesn’t allow for waiting for the right deal, or separating a plan over a period of time.
Coincidence – Marquis has been a part of successful teams.
by AboutTheCubs on Aug 10, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More than one mistake
Marquis- got nothing for him, unless you consider Vizcanio something.
DeRosa- got nothing but a few “fringe” relievers.
Wood- got nothing for him (I don’t really care much about letting him go).
Miles- doozy of them all.
Heilman- his work speaks for itself.
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by propheteer on Aug 12, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too early to declare the DeRo trade a mistake.
We won’t be complaining if Stevens and Gaub (uh, and the other dude) turn into solid contributors in the bullpen. And a game like last night’s should reinforce the importance of such players.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this year it isn't too early
This team was built to win now, and not having DeRo’s versatility and power in the lineup/field has hurt their chances this season.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 12, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, OK, from that perspective it may turn out to be a mistake.
But I still wouldn’t dismiss Stevens and Gaub (and the other dude) as “fringe” relievers. Both have a decent shot at being solid ML relievers.
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by dat cubfan daver on Aug 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
They may wind up helping the club down the road, but they won’t help the bullpen this year.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if you are a contending team
not every deal you make has to be about helping the team win now. Smart teams keep an eye on the future while competing now.
It is too early to call the DeRosa deal a mistake.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 13, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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