If not Lou, then who?
If Lou is gone after this year, who would be the most likely candidate to replace him?
In my opinion, it seems that Lou has lost interest in baseball (and the Cubs in particular), especially after the many puzzling decisions he has made this year. I think he is ready to call it quits and retire peacefully in Tampa. These past 3 seasons with the Cubs have got to be the most aggravating any MLB manager had to endure. Look at his expressions when the camera pans on him in the dugout. He's already got one WS title-why go under the microscope again next year, especially with a new owner and possibly a totally revamped lineup?
The question is: who is mostl likely to replace him? Maybe his boyhood buddy Tony LaRussa?
Please discuss.
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how about
Shawn Corey Carter
COOL BEANS!
by lexmarklover on Sep 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blou
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Sep 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Blou
I couldn’t resist, it was just such a natural answer
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Sep 18, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Martin
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 18, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Felix Patterson
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 18, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a cross between Felix Pie and Corey Patterson, right?
He’d be really fast but never steal any bases because he’d never get on in the first place.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 18, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but could be the love child of Felix Unger and Floyd Patterson.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 18, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure I'll get flamed
but what about Bobby Valentine?
He’s rumored to be going to the Nationals, but I’m sure he’d like a more high profile gig.
by ScottT on Sep 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he would!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to expand
He’s had some ML success. He’s had some success in Japan. He could help get the team focused on fundamental baseball. Good base running, hitting with 2 strikes, moving runners over, not throwing the ball into the stands with less than 3 outs…
by ScottT on Sep 18, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could do worse...
…but I am just tired of all the manager talk when there are deeper issues that need to be fixed with the organization.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 18, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Just responding to the OP’s question.
by ScottT on Sep 18, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the Valentine post. He's pretty close to Billy Martin as far as managing goes.
I would have loved to see martin manage this team. Of course he’s dead, so he can’t. But Bobby is close. Can you imagine their reaction to Bradley, soriano, and zambrano? Fox would have been a starter months ago.
by TJ11 on Sep 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a great restaraunt in Stamford CT!
If you like burgers and fries…
by ak123 on Sep 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alan Trammell
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryne Sandberg. One more year of Lou and then Sandberg in '11
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Sep 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta disagree with you here, heine
I don’t think Sandberg proved anything in Peoria other than an ability to get thrown out of games.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and win in Tenn.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 18, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree wholeheartedly NBF
Sandberg really had that team under control and following his system.
To illustrate this — he is gone for one weekend to give his hall of fame induction speech, and comes back to find that one of his players is arrested for throwing a baseball into the stands during an out-of-control melee.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Sep 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you think Sandberg could have stopped that?
How, exactly?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is your accountability argument now, Al?
Different rules for Lou vs. Sandberg, apparently.
If that melee was not a sign of an organization that was out of control, what would be? Using Marshall as a LOOGY?
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Sep 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow in that case Lou is responsible for all of Milton's antics
I mean he is the manager so anything that happens even if it is one wacked out of control player it is his fault ?
I mean no different rules so Lou is responsible for everything Milton does.
I don’t know if Sandberg is ready but he has so far taken two minor league teams to the post season so he is certainly
working is way up and did not deserve to be called awful. I am going to assume it was a poor word choice and NBF
meant to say he thought Sandberg would be an awful choice NEXT year , not that he was doing an awful job but a clarification would help.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I called Sandberg 'awful'
but I don’t think he’s the guy to lead this team anywhere in the near future. Not with this team, not with this fan base. If he isn’t successful (as in winning a WS) immediately, he’ll be pilloried. And I don’t think he’s ready for that responsibility.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/9/18/1036413/ricketts-and-2010#21389303
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 19, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, JC
They say memory is the first thing to go, and I can’t remember what the others are. :)
But I didn’t call Sandberg “awful.” I said he was an awful alternative, and I’ll stand by that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 19, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can fix that
for a price
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 19, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That price wouldn't be
having to have a St. DeRo medal on the dashboard of my car for all eternity, would it?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its lou and bakers fault Z is a crybaby
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 19, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
…I think it starts with Hendry, and he has babied Z along the entire way as well.
It’s hard for a manager to put the hammer down when the GM is a creative genius when it comes to excuses for the players.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 19, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.....as with any organization
…Culture, leadership and attitude start at the top.
.
by JB 23 on Sep 19, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on timeline
I think, as of right now, the Cubs view Ryno as “next”. Problem is … if Lou leaves this offseason, no one is going to jump after the job if they feel that the Cubs are grooming someone. Would the Cubs roll the dice on Ryno? I could see it, but probably only if Ryno agrees to get some veteran mentors.
If not Ryno, and Lou leaves, then I think Trammell may be offered the job. Beyond that, maybe Brenly, but really, right now, I think it’s an issue of Lou or Ryno, with everyone in backup position.
by toonsterwu on Sep 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LING FOR MGR
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 18, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LIND FOR MGR
not Ling……
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 18, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd vote for Sandberg.
alas, sometimes my emotions get in the way.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Sep 18, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feels like we've already had this conversation 10 times over already.
In any case, I think Lou will be back next year. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would sign a contract and then back out of it. And if he does (or in the very doubtful event he’s fired), I guess I’d go with Trammell in the interim.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 18, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he won't back out.
Maybe he’ll BE backed out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 19, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm overvaluing Lou's stature within major league baseball...
…but I just feel that’s doubtful. He has too much influence/respect to be forced out – especially if the Cubs finish with a winning record. I don’t think Hendry would do that. Now if the team truly crashes and burns in the next few weeks, maybe a Piniella ouster would become more likely.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be Lou's decision
but one thing might be word from the top that from now on a roster will be constructed and he uses what he gets and for financial and practical reasons the 09 roster will have Fuld, Blanco and Fox barring injury etc. Also
it maybe that if Milton stays Lou wants to go.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 19, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, I hadn't considered the Bradley angle.
I wonder if Milton really is that toxic a presence.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he is myself
but Lou may see his presence as sign that he can’t control every move on the roster.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 19, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might wind up being a mutual decision...
… the team not wanting Lou back, and him deciding he’s had enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 19, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it...
…and if he is, you would have to nuke Hendry along with him or you would look really foolish assigning the accountability for 2009 to Piniella.
I do think there is a chance Lou may say screw it, but I would give it a 75% chance he wants to come back. Hendry will almost certainly be back (because of his contract), but how much of his previous power he had is to be determined.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 19, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to observe...
…as Lou is saying all the right things about next year etc..
Either way, I am neutral on whether Lou coming back will be significant factor in whether the 2010 version of the Cubs has more success. IMO, it will depend a heck of a lot more on the roster, and how many guys can stay healthy and display a little pride in being a professional athlete.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mgr
vince mcmahon?? donald trump?? nah. valentine is interesting and sandberg the sentimental choice. i still like brenly.
by NOMAR on Sep 19, 2009 5:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dat cub fan
so you know lou has quit on 2 teams. left the mariners a year early so he could manage at home and be closer to family. understandable. left the rays a year early due to the fact they sucked so bad. understandable. i want him back but this has been a really hard season on him. at 66 will he want to deal with all this scrutiny again next year. if he does not. also understandable. im sure if he decides not to come back he will let the team know early enough to find a replacement.
by NOMAR on Sep 19, 2009 5:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
But, again, I’d look to the 2009 Cubs’ winning percentage. If they finish over .500, Lou will be able to say, “Look, we had a lot of injuries and a lot of guys came up short, but we still finished with a winning record that might of won us the division in many other years. The Cardinals just got red hot. What more could I do? We’ll give it another go next year.”
If they finish with a losing record then, yes, he might bow out early. But even then, it’s no guarantee. Seattle and Tampa Bay are both smaller market teams. To walk away from a big market challenge like the Chicago Cubs would be a pretty ignominious way to presumably end his managing career.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'd like to keep Lou.
In the last three years we’ve had two postseasons back to back (yes I know they ended miserably) followed by a season that so far is over 500, in 2nd place and technically in contention (yes, I know the chances for a miracle are past and that it ‘s a disappointing season after expections were so high). But it’s not like we’ve lost 100 games this year. I think he’s done pretty well considering injuries, etc.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Outside the box here
I look at the turnaround of the Mariners, and I think “where did they get this Wakamatsu guy”? They got him from outside their organization, and he has done amazing things to turn that team into something respectable, even with a modicum of available player talent. They also got hit by the injury bug, in both the realm of pitching and position players.
I wonder what other bench coaches out there have learned as well as Wakamatsu? I get every Mariners game on TV up here in Alaska, and this guy is really good! He made everyone compete for their jobs in Spring Training, and players that were dogging it are pretty much gone. So are the unmanageable ones like Yuniesky Betancourt.
During games, he seems to make all the right moves, and he is very even-tempered, and professional during the games. I know we cannot get Don, but I am willing to bet that there has to be one or two of his ilk available out there somewhere.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Sep 19, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NED YOST!
He’s tan. He’s rested. He’s unemployed! And he’s off the Brewers payroll in 2010!
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 19, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Yost, but...
…. are the Brewers really paying him this year? I thought only the Cubs gave out contracts like that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 19, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure they are.
Melvin picked up the option he had on Yost for 2009 shortly after the 2007 season. He never bothered to announce it, but word broke in about February 2008 that it had been done. Melvin said he didn’t think it was a good idea in general for managers to be “lame ducks”, essentially managing for their jobs in the last year of their contract. Then, of course, Melvin fired Yost with 12 games left in the 2008 season (which was pretty obviously Attanasio’s idea). Yost has been cashing a check for nothing since and he acknowledged after his termination last year that he would wait to explore other opportunities in baseball until his contract was complete.
Interestingly, given Melvin’s comment on lame duck managers, Ken Macha only got a 2 year deal when they hired him last offseason, which means that barring an extension or termination, Macha’s a lame duck next year.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
I can’t see anyone else hiring Yost as a manager after the debacle in Milwaukee, can you? Maybe as a coach, but not a manager.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 20, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
His only shot is to get back into the majors as a coach for 5 years or so and work his way back to the point where someone might give him a shot again. I’m assuming that Cox will give Yost a job if he’s got an opening.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, if Cox doesn't retire.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 20, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody
Seriously, I can’t watch Lou sleepwalk through another season
by Mapmaker on Sep 19, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its hopeless
I honestly think that the Cubs are the team where managers go to die. I dont think there is a single manager out there that is capable of leading the Cubs to a World Series. Its Impossible.
by Ami Hasagawa on Sep 19, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oddly, you might have a point
I’ve often wondered if all the weight on this franchise is too much for anybody to bear. And if that’s true, then what’s the point of it all?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 19, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what do you do?
Honestly answer that question. If the Red Sox and White Sox were able to snap their long championship droughts, why have the Cubs been so woefully incompetent in this area? This franchise is the living, breathing example of Murphy’s Law. Every conceivable thing that could go wrong since the 1908 World Series has gone wrong.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Sep 20, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is not about curses or history
It is about people. One of the problems in terms of a manager is the Cubs can’t or won’t ever think outside the box. A team
with this high a payroll and expectations is not going to take a chance on a young wonderkind which may be exactly what they need. I am not thinking of anyone in particular and I really don’t think they have to be young, just someone with a fresh start & outlook instead of another retread.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Dusty
supposed to be that? Someone with a fresh, winning outlook? And some credibility? He certainly wasn’t Riggleman or Trebelhorn.
Ace Venom has a point, too. A lot of what’s happened to the Cubs over the years is because of the people. But some of it, more than seems reasonable, really defies explanation.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After experiencing Yost and Macha, I can say I'd take Lou over either of them.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd certainly take him over Yost
Ned was good for at least one victory a year against the Cubs.
I haven’t seen Macha enough to make any sort of judgment. But I’m not sure I’d blame him entirely for what’s happened to the Brewers this season. Not having a bonafide, top-of-the-line pitcher certainly hasn’t helped.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither would I.
And you’re right that what happened this year to the Brewers wasn’t on him. But there are a number of decisions he’s made over the course of the last 3 months that to me are pretty close to inexplicable, and it’s become increasingly clear over the last few weeks that there’s a significant amount of discord between Macha and the players. None of the players will go on the record but the beat writers are all citing the same “possible” areas of disagreement and tension. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Dusty was like Lou
In the sense he had been a winning manager. Neither was a remotely out of the box type of choice which like
I wrote is something the Cubs will probably never do. The closest they came was considering Girardi . I am not saying he would have been the answer but I do wonder what might have been.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 20, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe would have been a good choice, too
But remember, his first season wasn’t exactly seashells and balloons. Neither was this season until A-Rod returned.
Dusty was an out-of-the-box choice for this franchise, I would argue.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How in the world was Dusty an out of the box choice ?
A guy with a great rep coming within a few innings of winning a WS ? That hardly strikes me as out of the box.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For THIS franchise
Who was the last Cubs manager to have anything close to that pedigree? Baylor, maybe?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leo Durocher.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
You have to go all the way back to Durocher to find one. Forty years, basically. Certainly, Dusty was more highly regarded than Whitey Lockman or Herman Franks, or even Jim Frey or Don Zimmer.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frey and Zimmer both took teams to the postseason...
… and Frey to the WS.
Maybe it’s time for the Cubs to go in a different direction.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 20, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So long as that direction
doesn’t involve Sandberg, that would be OK.
But I’d wager my next paycheck on Piniella being here next season, and that would be fine with me.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the direction piece...
…but maybe we are talking about an “organizational direction” as opposed to just focusing on the manager.
Maybe, just maybe, a stronger organization wil put any number of managers in a better position to win.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 20, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really talking about curses
It’s still a bit unsettling to know that when the Cubs last won the World Series, Russia was still ruled by the Tsar.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Sep 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still pisssed
that the fricking Marlins have won 2 WS in 15 years and we haven’t BEEN in one in 64!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 20, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that a team from outside the U.S.
has somehow managed to win two WS, too. And I think the shirt I’m wearing right now is older than the Marlins.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not, either
But like I said, some of what’s happened to this franchise over the years can’t be explained easily.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an understatement
you and I have chatted about this before and it’s so damn baffling how the Cubs just cannot get it done.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 20, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh.....

♪♫ to lead the Cubbies all the way,
It’s just impossible! ♪♫
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
by Goodie1969 on Sep 19, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me
laugh and weep simultaneously.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The evidence is clearly mounting....
…as either the organization has no clue how to hire managers, or it’s the fact that it’s difficult as hell for any manager to win consistently here.
I tend to lean toward the latter.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 20, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm Eric Hanna?
Perhaps he can fill both the GM AND managerial roles?
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Sep 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He certainly wouldn't lack fire.
After all, HE’D BE SCREAMING AT EVERYONE IN THE DUGOUT AND THE UMPIRES AND THE MEDIA AND DOING EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO GET ADAM LIND ON THIS TEAM!!!!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 20, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear adam lind is actually the cubs new owner
not ricketts. its all a lie!
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 20, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whomever the Cubs
pick after Lou leaves had better be someone that preaches and teaches fundamentals. I understand no matter who the manager is, they can only play the hand that’s dealt to them via the GM, but there were wins to be had out there this year if we would have played better fundamental baseball, or situational baseball.
Unfortunately, one of our weaknesses AGAIN is no team speed. Sori has been hobbled since April and Theriot simply is not a threat. Lee’s wheels have seen better days and that’s about it. Hard to scratch out runs when the 3 run homers aren’t flying.
Is anyone as tired as I am saying this almost every year? lol
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 20, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not just the manager who has to preach fundamentals.
That has to be done throughout the organization.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 20, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou will be back, but...
I would really like Bob Brenly. I know it seems cliche to just throw out the name of the former coach turned analyst however I really like his style. He seems like he understands enough about younger players, but still retains a bit of that old school thought. That is something I thought Lou doesn’t do well. I think the game has passed him by and he’s too quick to pull the trigger.
I always think that its a real positive that Brenly has had the opportunity to see the Cubs play on a daily basis for two years. No potential candidate can say that with the exception of Trammell.
Contrary to many beliefs here, I do think Brenly would be more than willing to take the job. I know many here believe he doesn’t want to manage so he can watch his son play. I believe I have read in the past he does have interest in managing again and I can’t think of many other gigs he would rather have. His son most likely won’t be in the system forever, and I have a hard time believing he would turn down a job of this magnitude for what could be a select few years of watching his son. Also, its not like he goes and watches a plethora of his son’s games already. If he was that concerned, he would just retire and follow the team.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually..
… it appears that Michael Brenly is a real prospect, and could be on target to be a backup catcher in the major leagues in 3 or 4 years.
Again, I think Bob likes the job he has and doesn’t really want to go back to manage.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 21, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not betting the farm
that a guy who could potentially be a backup catcher is going to hang around for 3-4 years.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Sep 21, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brenly
actually was in Peoria quite a bit this year to watch his son play.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 21, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is quite a bit?
I have a hard time believing that with his travel demands with the Cubs allowed him to see an abundance of games. I doubt he saw enough of his son playing that would prevent him from wanting to manage if he wanted to.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Sep 21, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Dick Pole gets the job?
I assume I don’t have to explain why.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 21, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you'd like Tony LaRussa
Well you might, but I don’t.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 21, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
George Costanza.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for the Rickett's shuffle
I want Lou back next year, but as the Cubs new GM.
Alan Trammel is a no-nonsense, fundamentals first and hard-nosed manager who groomed the young Tigers of 2005 for their 2006 WS appearance.
He would bring up Ryne Sandberg as his bench coach to groom Ryno as the Cubs future Manager.
Lou needs to wheel and deal as he did for the Yankees, and leave the strategic and motivational management to a team of field managers who will work well with him as the GM, and provide a new disciplined daily approach for the players-all the players: Learn the fundamentals to fluency, and execute when the game counts!
Jim Hendry has no excuse for seeking and maintaining Milton Bradley as the “critical” missing piece to the Cubs WS path – unless you want to interpret “critical” as what Milton Bradley DID excel in this season (as in his career).
Someday…
by GeneticCubsFan on Sep 26, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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